Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 13 Jan 2010 13:49

COBRA FLIGHT – 14XSU 30 MKI MK 3 – BAY OF BENGAL-150 KM FROM SRI LANKAN COAST – 9000 METRS

Group captain Vinod checked his radar display –he could see the 8 odd navy Mig 29k fast approaching the PLAN escorts who have turned back in attack mode with their radar on full output . It was a difficult situation for the Mig s as they have not still acquired the PLAN flankers for a reasonably sure BVR shot but the PLAN aircraft would be launching any moment .The Migs were at his 3 0 clock and at 6000 meters effectively blocking his shots and the chances of a PLAN long range missile hitting the migs or his flight was astronomically high .He decided to contact the Migs navy tactical net frequency instead of going through the air battle commander on Phalcon 1 , which would violate quite a few well established protocols and he knew he will have lot of explaining to do once on ground but then all that was in future – for the moment the his flight needed to take the heat off those Migs .And there was only one way to do it

- black panther delta –cobra lead –authentication code orange zulu repeat orange zulu –do you copy
The answer came back a bit guarded as the navy pilot responded after checking out the source authentication from the air force bird

- cobra lead – black panther lead – need back up urgently
- copy that black panther delta – you are blocking my shot – turn to heading 175 – make altitude minimum repeat minimum over
- cobra lead – message understood – breaking off attack –counting 3 2 1 -now

The 8 Mig 29 k s reduced power and rolled out of the way of the Indian flankers and dived for the deck all in one smooth motion.

The PLAN flankers launched a salvo of 16 missiles about the same time and then broke off as their own threat warning receiver started blipping like mad cow .In their blind pursuit of the navy Mig 29k s they have crossed in to the no escape kill envelope of the Indian Flankers equipped with powerful Irbis radar and extended range R-77.

It was at this point the air battle commander on board Phalcon,who was watching the development intervened warning the escaping migs about the track and location of individual R-77 closing on them .

Vinod suddenly had a clear field of shot with the enemy flankers breaking of their attack on the Indian migs to escape the BVR missiles form Indian flankers quickly closing. As they climbed for altitude on full after burner the Indian Migs came out of their turning dive and started climbing vertically after them. But no all of them did .Two Mig 29ks took direct hits and splashed into the ocean and the balance six came out of the attack and continued the counter attack . For the first time the battle continued on vertical plane between the PLAN flankers and Indian Mig 29k S.

Vinod did not hesitate .The window of opportunity was small but very good . As the PLAN flankers flashed upwards on full afterburner and the Indian fulcrums just coming out of their dive at wave top – his infra red tracking system screamed for attention.

- bay watch –cobra lead – launching heat seeker –over
- cobra flight –lead –launch on my command – 321 –now

All the 14 flankers nosed up and launched hot from their wing tip pylons at the red hot exhaust of the Chinese flankers on vertical climb out.

The slim blunt nosed missiles streaked upwards and locked on to their individual targets as directed by the on board computers and as the distance narrowed the missiles onboard micro computer kicked in fine tuning the missiles intercept vector and very soon it was time for the warhead to explode one by one

Only 2 PLAN flankers escaped this murderous assault and they leveled out –gaining air speed to get out of the sure kill zone.

But they were also too late .The six Mig 29K S were now on their tail and they were in no mood to forgive or forget. Two of the lead Mig 29K flew in to perfect heat seeker shot 500 meters up and 2000 meters behind and launched two missiles each at the receding PLAN flanker pair .

The flankers dispensed flares and tried to dive out of danger but the R-74 held true .The first Chinese flanker exploded as the first missile hit its exhaust and even before it has disintegrated completely the second missile hit the central fuel tank.

The last of the PLAN Su 30 MKK was lucky –it evaded both R-74 and turned to engage when the lead Mig 29k opened with six barrel cannon tearing open the PLAN flanker like a sardine can and making it splash into the ocean in a hiss of fire and steam and human limbs

The sky was at last clear of enemy

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Venu » 13 Jan 2010 14:15

Shankar da,

My Shashtanga Pranam!

Excellent narration. Please accept the standing ovation from me and the hair of my hands.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby aditp » 13 Jan 2010 14:24

OMG, The entire flanker fleet splashed ?????

Gawd, even though the Soviets always lost, Clancy da always allowed them some coup-de-grace.

Man you soundly beat Clancy.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby johnny_m » 13 Jan 2010 15:04

Shankar's scenarios are generally excellent as is Vivek ahuja's.

The difference IMHO is in Shanker's scenarios we have better than probable exchange rates, its always win. While in Viveks our attrition rates etc, seems a bit more realistic.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 14 Jan 2010 11:15

The first gun kill for the MiG 29 K in the battle... that pilot should be awarded the equivalent of Top Gun in India... Coming back to reality.. Awesome finish dada.. Lets get to some action on the ground...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby pralay » 14 Jan 2010 11:32

awesome shankar dada :d
now its turn to look back at Maldives :D Paki ambush was going on there. We need to kick out the rats.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 14 Jan 2010 13:29

Naval variant, the latter "K" stands for "Korabelnogo bazirovaniya" (Deck-based ), with equipment such as folding wings, arrestor gear, and reinforced landing gear. Originally intended for the Admiral Kuznetsov class aircraft carriers, had even received series production approval from Russian Ministry of Defence but was later grounded in 1992 due to shift in military doctrine and state financial difficulty. MiG Corporation restarted the program in 1999 and made vital improvement to the previous design. On January 20, 2004, Indian Navy signed a contract of 12 single-seat MiG-29K and 4 two-seat MiG-29KUB set delivery in the period from 2007 to 2009.Modification was made for Indian Navy requirement featured Zhuk-ME radar, RD-33MK engine, combat payload up to 5,500 kg, 13 hardpoints (inclusive of the multi-lock bomb carriers), additional fuel tanks situated in dorsal spine fairing and wing LERXs, increased total fuel capacity by 50% comparing to first variant of MiG-29 and updated 4-channel digital fly-by-wire flight control system. With special coatings MiG-29K radar reflecting surface is 4-5 times smaller than of basic MiG-29. Cockpit displays consist of wide HUD and 3 (7 on MiG-29KUB) colour LCD MFDs and French Sigma-95 satellite GPS module and Topsight E helmet-mounted targeting system. Compatible with the full range of weapons carried by the MiG-29M and MiG-29SMT.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 14 Jan 2010 13:49

T
he follow on to the BARS is the new Irbis-E (Snow Leopard) hybrid phased array, in development since 2004 and planned for the Su-35 block upgrade, and as a block upgrade or new build radar for other Flanker variants. The Irbis-E is an evolution of the BARS design, but significantly more powerful. While the hybrid phased array antenna is retained, the noise figure is slightly worse at 3.5 dB, but the receiver has four rather than three discrete channels. The biggest change is in the EGSP-27 transmitter, where the single 7 kiloWatt peak power rated Chelnok TWT is replaced with a pair of 10 kiloWatt peak power rated Chelnok tubes, ganged to provide a total peak power rating of 20 kiloWatts. The radar is cited at an average power rating of 5 kiloWatts, with 2 kiloWatts CW rating for illumination. NIIP claim twice the bandwidth and improved frequency agility over the BARS, and better ECCM capability. The Irbis-E has new Solo-35.01 digital signal processor hardware and Solo-35.02 data processor, but retains receiver hardware, the master oscillator and exciter of the BARS. A prototype has been in flight test since late 2005.

The performance increase in the Irbis-E is commensurate with the increased transmitter rating, and NIIP claim a detection range for a closing 3 square metre coaltitude target of 190 - 215 NMI (350-400 km), and the ability to detect a closing 0.01 square metre target at ~50 NMI (90 km). In Track While Scan (TWS) mode the radar can handle 30 targets simultaneously, and provide guidance for two simultaneous shots using a semi-active missile like the R-27 series, or eight simultaneous shots using an active missile like the RVV-AE/R-77 or ramjet RVV-AE-PD/R-77M. The Irbis-E was clearly designed to support the ramjet RVV-AE-PD/R-77M missile in BVR combat against reduced signature Western fighters like the Block II Super Hornet or Eurofighter Typhoon. Curiously, NIIP do not claim superiority over the F-22A's APG-77 AESA, yet their cited performance figures exceed the public (and no doubt heavily sanitised) range figures for the APG-77.

The existing N011M series lacks a Low Probability of Intercept capability, in part due to antenna bandwidth limits and in part due to processor limitations. This is likely to change over the coming decade, with the Irbis-E, as customers demand an ability to defeat or degrade Western ESM equipment and the technology to do this becomes more accessible.

The N012 tail warning radar has been reported to be part of the Su-30MKI suite and is offered as a retrofit to other models.

In terms of block upgrades, of the two competing radar houses in Russia, NIIP (http://www.niip.ru/) and Phazotron, the former has been the most active of recent. A block upgrade package, designated 'Panda' was recently developed for the baseline N-001-01 radar carried by Su-27S/SK. The first stage is the N-001V back end upgrade using C/C++ COTS software and a Ts-100 processor.

Of more interest however is a low cost phased array block upgrade package designated Pero ('Plume'), designed jointly with Ryazan GRPZ. This lightweight design avoids the cost and complexity of the backplane fed BARS (N-011M) phased array, instead using a space (optical) feed scheme, and reflective rather than transmissive phase elements, a technique used with the 64N6E Big Bird SAM system radar. The design incorporates the phase element array, and a strut supported boom which mounts the X-band waveguide and radiating horn. Cost is comparable to the existing Su-27S/SK Cassegrain antenna, weight is lower. The launch customer is the RuAF, but reports indicate one of the two prototypes was sent to China for evaluation. The Pero will provide the beam steering agility of modern Western AESAs, but with lower cost and transmit power ratings, and is likely to appear in regional MLUs later this decade. An open question is whether a future Pero based block upgrade would include the 20 kiloWatt Irbis-E transmitter, as engineering the space feed for a 20 kiloWatt rated transmitter is neither difficult nor expensive. While a 20 kiloWatt Pero system would have inferior receiver sensitivity due to the space feed loss, compared to the BARS hybrid array, it would be significantly cheaper to build and deploy en masse.

In summary, near term we can expect to see the Irbis-E and Pero appear in new build and upgrade packages, in the longer term an AESA is an inevitability.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Flanker.html

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby VijayV » 15 Jan 2010 09:37

Shankarda and Vivek’s Scenarios are acting as appetizer. Can anyone suggest any sites are forums link, from where I can read military scenarios while waiting next post of our great heros.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby mgirotra » 15 Jan 2010 10:57

buy a bunch of Tom Clancy books

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 15 Jan 2010 13:48

Better try reading the allistair macclain's books... not much on the scenario but sure as hell an interesting read...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Singha » 15 Jan 2010 17:44

red storm rising
larry bond writes good http://www.larry-bond.com/books.htm
hunt for red october
choosers of the slain & sea strike - james cobb
HMS ulysses by alistair mclean (a classic for those who love the sea genre)
south by java head
ice station zebra (another good one)
avoid crap dale brown b52 megafortress books
avoid crap mack bolan books
variety of books on normandy, patton, stalingrad, eastern front
north cape - joe poyer
last of the mohicans!
any book on the dieppe raid
some tight accounts of the daylight air war like "the raid on regensburg" - messerschmitt
factory was attacked by 100s of b17 who flew on to africa. many perished to german
fighters and ack-ack, some fell into the sea low on fuel. in those days no p51 escort was
there.

if living in khanate you can work via amazon or powell's books to get used copies really cheap,
practically nothing bar the cost of shipping

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Singha » 15 Jan 2010 17:48

there's even a book on a imperial japanese navy WW2 carrier that gets frozen in artic ice and is freed up many decades later after some apocalypse leaves it as the last white hope against whoever did this.

:rotfl:

can anyone dig up its title.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby bodhi » 15 Jan 2010 18:51

how about books by Patrick Robinson. Read Nimitz Class...that was good. Cant find a copy of Kilo class or Seawolf anywhere

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby SaiK » 15 Jan 2010 19:36

80 pc army tanks are night blind'


That should trigger many a scenarios here!?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Dilbu » 16 Jan 2010 11:39

avoid crap dale brown b52 megafortress books

400% True. I have a megafartress book 'piranha' which is based on indian and chinese navies going to war in IOR while good old amirkhanis intervene to establish world peace. The entire plot is based on Indian navy's secret torpedo named 'kali' but the author was so preoccupied with his TFTA fortress thingy that he forgot what his story was all about. I have never read such a crappy scenario ever in my life.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 16 Jan 2010 19:12

PAKISTANI INVASION FLEET -3X20000 TON DWT ARMED MERCHANT SHIP- 620 KM FROM MALE –MALDIVES – 0600 HRS

Vice admiral Liyakat scanned the horizon and nothing alarming he could notice .So far the Indian navy have not bothered him which he found some what strange .Of course he was not aware of the air conflict not very far from his location and also he did not know because of the conflict all maritime patrol activity in the region have been put on hold. With the conflict more or less over things are likely to change.
Another reason he was not challenged as he passed Indian west coast was purely political. With the recent thrust of new government to improve bi lateral relations navy was under strict orders not to “harass” Pakistani flagged ships near Indian shore.

Liyakat checked the chart and noticed they have made good progress .At the present speed of 14 knots he should make landfall 3 days time .He wanted to make a night landing to generate maximum shock effect in the port city of Male which will be the bridge head of his operation .Once one ground his troops will quickly fan out and the neutralize all opposition. PLAN has promised all air support once he has taken over the air port and TV station.


These islands extend in a long chain some 1,900 km/1,200 mi from north to south in the Arabian Sea and Indian Ocean between 12°N and 6°S. There are over 7,000 islands, many of them merely low-lying coral reefs; only about 200 islands are inhabited.
The Maldives have a tropical climate with abundant rainfall and moderately high temperatures around the year. The table for Minnicoy is representative of the northern islands.
The islands near or south of the equator have rain more evenly distributed throughout the year or a maximum fall in the period November to March.
Daily hours of sunshine average three to four in the wetter months and as much as eight to nine in the drier season.
The northern islands are very occasionally affected by violent storms as tropical cyclones develop in the Arabian Sea between August and November. These bring very strong winds and torrential rain.

He expected the heavy weather to move in less than 48 hours so that any quick air support mission Indians may plan will not be as successful as the last time .This means his troops will have at least 24 hours to take the key targets and then once theweather improves Chinese air efforts will support his mission to capture the main islands in the chain .
COLOMBO, May 15 (Reuters) - Waves from an Indian Ocean storm surge swamped dozens of islands in the low-lying Maldives on Tuesday, the government said.
Because the Maldives are on average just 1.5 metres (five feet) above sea level, inhabitants are especially alert to rising waters, fearing the islands may be obliterated within a few generations by rising sea levels brought by global warning.
Tuesday's floods in the south of the archipelago did little or no damage, but did appear to be an unusually large example of the surges that are normal at monsoon time.
Waves of three to four feet (one to 1.3 metres) caused flooding in 48 of the archipelago's 197 inhabited islands, but officials said no one was hurt.
None of the Maldives' trademark luxury, palm-fringed resorts -- which attract the rich and famous and are the linchpin of the $800 million economy -- were affected.
"It is an annual occurrence at this point of the monsoon. Storm surges are quite common, but it is unusual to have them to the extent we have had today," government spokesman Mohamed Shareef said by telephone from the Maldives' capital, Male.
"It is essentially a rise of the tide. The water came in at least 100 feet (30 metres) on some islands, and then receded in the evening ... It is the low-lying islands that have felt the impact."


He was but wary of the sudden storm surges that do occur in the low lying islands in the monsoon . He hoped nothing like that will happen in next days. If that happens he knew it will be a very difficult situation for his group
Huhule Island, better known as "Airport Island" is where international flights to the Maldives arrive. Transfer to the resort islands is by boat or seaplane. The capital, Male', is a short 15 minute boat ride. For expats and visitors staying on Male', the airport hotel on Huhule is the closest bar to town and the hotel runs regular free boats to Male' and wilhe Male International Airport (MLE) is the Maldives’ principal international airport. It was previously known as the Hulhule Airport, because of its location on Hulhule Island in the North Male Atoll. Male Airport is the only airport in the island nation of the Maldives that currently receives international flights. Another airport, Gan, has been recently updated to international standards, but international flights have not yet begun operations.

The Maldives International Airport opened in 1966 as Hulhule Airport, and operated under that name until 1981 when the name was officially changed to Male. l let travellers with late departures store their bags.

a
ll the resort islands have bars and restaurants that serve alcohol to foreigners.
Maldives is an 100% Islamic country. Consumption of Alcohol is a big fat no-no in Islam. Locals are Islamic..

Liyakat closed the intelligence briefing as the rising sun fell directly on the bridge window. On the bow a pair of special force troopers carefully covering the pair of stinger launchers which was only effective air defense weapon on board apart from some croatle launchers stored in the hold .He did not fancy using them in the high seas .

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby kaangeya » 18 Jan 2010 01:05

I am surprised anyone who reads BR would want to read shoddy "airport" novels by the likes of Larry Bond, Tom Clancy and the rest. Not only have these guys been remarkably wrong about the future, but also have displayed no understanding about the politics of any part of the world.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Klaus » 18 Jan 2010 11:00

Shankar wrote:He expected the heavy weather to move in less than 48 hours so that [b]any quick air support mission Indians may plan will not be as successful as the last time .This means his troops will have at least 24 hours to take the key targets and then once theweather improves Chinese air efforts will support his mission to capture the main islands in the chain .


Sorry for trying to interrupt the flow Shankarji but the last 2 air missions carried out by IAF were against PLAN only, the first ending in the capture of a Su-27 and its landing in Trivandrum and the next being the famous air-war over the Andamans. Liyakat couldnt have had any knowledge of both these missions, so which air support mission was this?

Unless I have missed the storyline somewhere, this mission was the one where the Agosta was sunk by INS Chennai in the Arabian Sea, am I right? Do refresh me if I am wrong. Thanks!

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby nrshah » 18 Jan 2010 13:24

Klaus wrote:
Sorry for trying to interrupt the flow Shankarji but the last 2 air missions carried out by IAF were against PLAN only, the first ending in the capture of a Su-27 and its landing in Trivandrum and the next being the famous air-war over the Andamans. Liyakat couldnt have had any knowledge of both these missions, so which air support mission was this?


The quick air support from India was like the one 1988. It has nothing to to with recent fight with PLAAF/PLAN. Pakistani commander is assuming since whether will not be supportive, inspite of maldive request India may not be in a position to send quick air support as it did in 1988

Klaus wrote:Unless I have missed the storyline somewhere, this mission was the one where the Agosta was sunk by INS Chennai in the Arabian Sea, am I right? Do refresh me if I am wrong. Thanks!


No the mission in not about it. It is

Pakistan in not happy with Indian deal with Maldives recently. It plans a covert operation wherein a brigade size force will be sent thru commerical containers, dethrone the existing government and place a puppet government which will ask PRC/Pak to make permanent base there. PRC thru PLAAF/PLAN was to provide airsupport to the pak fleet. PLAN tries to kill the Indian Bear so that it cannot see the Pak fleet. Indian Airforce foils the attempt and force one of PLAN aircraft to land in India. getting enraged PLAN office issues unauthorised attack thru flankers on Indian islands. Again the attempt is foiled and all PlAAF/PLAN flankers are blasted by the IAF/IN operations. On the western front Commnader of pak fleet, liyakat is thinking of strategies and that he has still not found any threat that surprises him.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Singha » 18 Jan 2010 13:50

I do agree the mil writers understanding of political reality ranges from 0 to -ve. larry bond has one where a militaristic franco-german combine invades poland and a skeleton crew of poles in donated M1s fights off the Leo2s.

but whats is the other option? alistair mclean is dead and his war tales date back to ww2. a.c.clarke is dead. ludlum has a grasp on spy and financial matters but doesnt write of open war.

koi aur hai?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Klaus » 18 Jan 2010 14:04

nrshah,

Thanks for the refresher, I stand corrected. I did get lost in the interpretation of Shankar's post and though he was alluding to a previous scenario, whereas in fact he was talking about Operation Cactus! 8)

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 18 Jan 2010 15:21

INDIAN HIGH COMMISSION- -CITY OF MALE –MALDIVES-0900 HRS

Major general Ray –looked at the flash message from army headquarters detailing the recent air battle near Sir Lanka . On the face of it it did not concern him or his responsibility of keeping Maldives secure from outside forces but again deep in his mind he knew the recent conflict may have an indirect bearing on his area of responsibility .Why would the PLAN try shoot down a Tu 142 or why for that matter they will escalate it to a major battle so far from their mainland –try neutralize the Indian naval bases in Andaman .
Maybe they were just flexing their naval air muscle trying to dominate the Indian navy in their own back waters or may be Just maybe a major attempt to neutralize Indian naval bases in the region is under way .
And there is only one such base in the region –Maldives
Ray dropped the tea cup as the implication hit him like a blow on the solar plexus . There are hundreds of islands surrounding Male and troops up to brigade strength can land in any or several of these at night and launch a surprise attack on the capital itself in the dawn catching the Indian defenders off guard .
He needed confirmation and needed it fast that no un identified ships are approaching Male coast this night or the night after ,he needed concrete information on all ships within 500 km radius with a heading converging on any of the peripheral islands .
As drafted out the encrypted signal –he knew he may be too late already –by the time the information gets to the right unit and the feed back comes in ,he will surely be fighting a very tough battle


Since Maldives was strategically located along the ancient marine trade routes from the West to the East, it was inevitable that early explorers and traders found themselves stopping either willingly (for supplies) or unwillingly (as a result of shipwrecks on the many reefs), and their influence can be seen to this day. Their records serve as a useful guide to the history of these islands. Among these travelers were the Chinese historian, Ma Huan and the famous Arab traveler, Ibn Batuta.

Maldives became an important stop for Arab traders on the way to the Far East, and along with these traders came the influence of Islam. The legend of the conversion to Islam remains a matter of controversy. It is believed that a Moroccan traveler, Abu Barakaat Yusuf al-Barbary was responsible for this conversion, but another version credits Sheikh Yusuf Shamsuddin of Tabriz, a renowned scholar.

From very early times, these islands were famous for two products, the money cowrie (cyprea moneta) and Maldive fish. The cowrie was prized as a form of currency in many areas of the Middle East and the Indian subcontinent, and the Maldives was the mint of the region. Large quantities of the cowrie were exported all over the world, and traders would call over to collect shiploads in exchange for rice, spices and luxury items.

Pirates and other powerful invaders of the day often disturbed the tranquility of the islands. A Portuguese invasion resulted in their capture of the Maldives for a period of fifteen years after which they were overthrown by a mixture of early guerilla tactics and the difficulty of logistical support for the occupying forces. With the growth of British influence, the Maldives became a British protectorate-an odd arrangement where the British ensured the defense of the islands, yet were not involved in any way with the running of the country. The close relationships with the British ensured a period of peace and freedom from foreign interference. The Maldives became a fully independent nation on July 26, 1965, and a Republic on November 11, 1968.
Most Maldivian holidays are based on the Islamic lunar calendar and the dates vary from year to year. The most important religious event is Ramadan (known locally as rorda mas), the Islamic month of fasting. Other notable festivals are Kuda Id, the sighting of the new moon (celebrated at the end of Ramadan), and the Prophet's Birthday, which commemorates the birthday of the founder. The National Day is observed on the first day of the third month of the lunar calendar and marks the day Mohammed Thakurufaan and his men overthrew the Portuguese from Malé in 1573, while the Republic Day is celebrated on 11 November, commemorating the formation of the current Republic in 1968. The Victory Day marks the victory over Sri Lankan mercenaries who tried to overthrow the Maldivian government on 3 November 1988.

Malé, the capital of the Maldives, is the commercial center, seat of government and the location of many important historical and religious landmarks. It was known as the Sultan's Island in the past. The Grand Friday Mosque, Masjid-al-Sultan Mohammed Thakurufaan-al-Azzam is the biggest mosque in the Maldives. It also includes the Islamic Center. This grand mosque with its dominant golden dome decorates the façade of Malé. It can accommodate over five thousand worshippers at a time. The old Friday Mosque, with its unique minaret and the tombs of national heroes and members of royalty resting in the quietness of its compound, gives the visitor a glimpse of the past. The art in the mosque and royal burial grounds are exclusive and priceless. Other important sites in Malé include the tombs of legendary saints, the Presidential Palace, the National Museum in the Sultan Park, which shows the glories of a different era, and the Singapore Bazaar. All these are within a ten-minute stroll.

A few locations worth visiting in the Maldives are Seenu or Addu Atoll, Fuamulaku, Kuahuvadhoo, and Baa Atoll.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby kaangeya » 18 Jan 2010 22:48

I do agree the mil writers understanding of political reality ranges from 0 to -ve. larry bond...

but whats is the other option? alistair mclean is dead...

koi aur hai?


Encourage the likes of Mukul Deva and Airavat.

Let's not waste time on airport pulp fiction.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby anuraghchauhan » 22 Jan 2010 19:07

Plz guys bring the next installment of the scenario asap. i am dying to read it.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby arjun_vs » 22 Jan 2010 22:00

A small doubt. Will the chinese pilot/s whom we captured at the thiruvananthapuram airport given a POW status as we are not at war with china officially... :?:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 22 Jan 2010 22:14

Doubt he would be considered PoW.. Mostly he would be just kept out of the legal system and be held like how Sir Sean Connery was held up in The Rock...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby arjun_vs » 23 Jan 2010 20:31

^^ And what about his aircraft :?: . Can we strip it & findout the exact capabilities & also the frequencies at which its comm, radar, etc work so that we could play some tricks... :twisted:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 23 Jan 2010 21:25

arjun_vs wrote:^^ And what about his aircraft :?: . Can we strip it & findout the exact capabilities & also the frequencies at which its comm, radar, etc work so that we could play some tricks... :twisted:

It will not stop with that.. It will be test flown by the best in TACDE and ASTE to establish its Pro's and Con's... And then tactics will be developed to counter the aircraft.. The Pilot will be thoroughly interrogated about his training and the tactics that they have developed to counter our MKI and MRCA...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Singha » 23 Jan 2010 22:00

part1.

"condor flight - visitors to bahawalpur"

6.10pm, Gwalior, Dec10 - 2020

dusk was falling over the brown fields and rocky outcrops when the signals room received the clearance to
execute the nights air tasking order. calls went out over the intercom to underground ready room at
remote corner of the airfield where 4 pilots and 4 wso's were standing by since a couple of hrs, going over
the mission plan. it was a complicated one.

a short walk through access tunnels brought them into a spartan but well lit underground HAS whose
access ramp gently sloped up to blast doors which were closed at present. part of the new airbase infra
crash program initiated in 2009, this kind of HAS now dotted most major IAF bases. Each could accomodate
4 a/c and their support infra like generators. the roof was reinforced by layers of rock, earth, coconut logs,
sand and concrete. the blast doors were made of highest grade metals normally used in arjun tank turrets
and could take a direct hit from a 1000lb bomb, buckle and absorb the impact but protect the precious
occupants.

sqdn leader Ahuja led the group of 8 briskly into the hall and each pair of pilots took a walkaround of the
sleek dark grey painted aeroplanes parked in a rough semicircle near the walls. ground staff hurried around
doing last minute checks and standing by to assist the pilots to strap in.

"alpha flight ready to fly sir" Ahuja spoke into a secure walkie talkie held by a ground staff as he calmly
walked up the metal ladder and settled into the front seat of his plane.

"cleared to fly, good luck Sunil" crackled the voice of group captain Soundarajan from the base's C3I bunker
located well away from the apron below 60ft of concrete and steel.

"roger that, over and out"

the next five minutes went in cockpit instrument checks, Ahuja extracted a memory card from his pocket and
inserting that into his navigation computer, let it pick up the data and update waypoints and target data into
the numerous computers dedicated to specialized tasks.

receiving the green light from his WSO sqdn ldr Nair, and the three other pilots, Ahuja signalled the traffic
director standing next to door and the clamshell gates smoothly started to slide apart. applying the minimum power to his throttle, the engines a thin dry growl, he felt the plane jerk fwd and begin rolling out onto the
taxiway, followed by the other three long black shapes, lights out, barring a single tailplane light used temporarily to guide those behind in queue.

the procession rolled quietly down the taxiway, until they reached the end of the main runway.

"alpha flight, cleared for takeoff" the radio came in quietly

applying full dry, one by one the black shapes gathered speed until liftoff and banking left, disappeared into
the dark night.

Ahuja snapped his taillight off and let the plane fly itself to its first waypoint once his 3 compatriots caught up with him.

in loose finger four formation, the 4 FGPA's cruised quietly at 650kmph, climbing towards 30,000ft.

----

the FGPA was the media name for the indian two seater version of the Pakfa destined for the RuAF. looking
nothing like its predecessor and still in service Su30, the Pakfa was all triangles and flatness. big but relative short triangular twin vertical tails replaced the tall ones of su30. the wings were trapezoidal and built for top speed of mach2.3 and easy supercruise in the transonic regime. a central internal bay mounted four pylons
for heavy weapons and a side bay , two pylons for smaller weapons. in FGPA, the other side bay was sometimes devoid of weapons but carried a SLAR radar pod to do SAR/ISAR mapping of large swathes of territory, sometimes extra chaff and flares were carried there for SEAD missions.

the big AL41-3 engines were deeply recessed and hidden from probing radar beams by S shaped intake
cunningly shaped to permit good air massflow but coated with layers of RAM material to dissipate and
attentuate radar beams bouncing along the channel. the engine tailpipes were again hidden from IR sensors
by bleeding in cold air and a 2D tvc nozzle.

above and below the nose were two El-op IRST hemispheres - programmable with the flick of a button to
operate in A2G or A2A sensitized modes. unlike the circular shape of the older OLS , these were edgy black
quartzy shapes chosen for least RCS.

cockpits were clean and spartan,almost germanic, on indian insistence moving away from
the old school clutter of the MKI. this was a cockpit designed from the ground up for ease
of use than adding a few MFDs as a afterthought.
dominating the center was a massive 32" OLED panel divided by sw into multiple info areas. the was a
vertical type panel on the right for weapon systems and another on left for engine and occupant health monitoring. the usual assortment of switch panels on left and right was gone. the hotas stick was in the center eschewing the rafale/f22 style side stick as it rendered things tough for left handed pilots. the HUD
was a indian one, frameless and cleanly covering the entire front view.

the boat shaped nose cone housed the NIIP tikhomirov "Pantsyr" radar which was one generation ahead of
the Irbis-E in the MKI MLU done in 2016. consisting of 2300 txrx elements on a slightly moveable elliptical shape plate it was the most powerful fighter radar bar none in the world. cooled by a liquid nitrogen and helium pack developed from the indo-israeli MMR-aesa project, its vast data feeds were processed by a
pulsating rack of custom computers and dsp's located in a cooled chamber beneath the cockpit. subsidiary small panels between the tailplane and on wing leading edges gave a 360' picture to some degree though the much smaller antenna aperture of these flank and tail arrays made the range more like a ancient kopyo radar. still something was better than nothing it was felt in the design community. more often these flank arrays
were used for data transfer at high speed and jamming of ground based radars.

recessed into the main internal bay, 4 long black cylindrical glonass guided bombs lay dormant. each was around 1200lb in weight and thin skinned, but packed with HE. not deep penetrator bombs, these were designed to take down above ground structures.

the side bays bristled with 2+2 of astra-2 aam's with head on 80km range, already proven in the previous
summer's mini war between the tezpur mki's and a half squadron of J10s that had attempted to support a
ground incursion near walong.

the thick wing root area and cft type flattened bays scabbed to side of air intakes held a vast array
of classified defensive EW gear designed to back up the all aspect stealth of the basic airframe.

the clean lines, big triangular wings and massive T:W gave it an acceleration where other planes in
IAF needed to use afterburners after takeoff to keep up with FGPA , and at the high end even the
waspish M2Ks found the going impossible in the regime Mach1.8-2.2. for one thing the ceiling of 70,000ft
was way beyond the M2k and the TVC and no external stores gave it a clear advantage in fuel economy
in the thin air. mostly M2K DACT planes ended up getting detected by the chin IRST at 50km and getting
a salvo of Mach5 AAMs executing zenith attacks on their hapless and sluggish planes low on fuel and
struggling at 45,000ft.

by 2018, the first FGPAs began arriving from HAL and in 2020, IAF had two squadrons worth - one in gwalior,
the other in nagpur...both intensively training in 1-vs-4 , 2-vs-8 and 4-vs-12 combat against MKIs from
neighbouring squadrons like pune and rae bareilly, usually returning everyday after doling out a sound thrashing per ACMI logs and leaked reports to disreputable blogs and web forums.


[to be contd]
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby negi » 23 Jan 2010 22:08

Mhuha ha ha :mrgreen: ; Singhasque discription of FGFA saar has left nothing for nanha's imagination , 32" MFD :eek: , those keypub kids should come here for latest on FGFA. :twisted:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 23 Jan 2010 22:31

Looks like we have a new entry in the scenario writers category... And sure as hell a good one... A great start sir... Waiting for follow on episodes....

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby vipins » 23 Jan 2010 22:33

Bala Vignesh wrote:Looks like we have a new entry in the scenario writers category... And sure as hell a good one... A great start sir... Waiting for follow on episodes....


GD saar is not a new entry :twisted: :twisted:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Klaus » 23 Jan 2010 22:55

^^^ Second that, in fact Singhaji was one of the first scenario writers (started off with the army coup of BD and capture of lady-PM), followed by Shankarji, Dileep and Bala. In fact, we had a few (2) female writers who started some interesting ones but they discontinued soon enough, dont know why?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Singha » 24 Jan 2010 10:00

part2 is coming in a few hrs...I am in a mood to inflict pain...extreme pain :twisted:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby kit » 24 Jan 2010 10:53

Singha wrote:part1.

"condor flight - visitors to bahawalpur"

6.10pm, Gwalior, Dec10 - 2020

dusk was falling over the brown fields and rocky outcrops when the signals room received the clearance to
execute the nights air tasking order. calls went out over the intercom to underground ready room at
remote corner of the airfield where 4 pilots and 4 wso's were standing by since a couple of hrs, going over
the mission plan. it was a complicated one.

a short walk through access tunnels brought them into a spartan but well lit underground HAS whose
access ramp gently sloped up to blast doors which were closed at present. part of the new airbase infra
crash program initiated in 2009, this kind of HAS now dotted most major IAF bases. Each could accomodate
4 a/c and their support infra like generators. the roof was reinforced by layers of rock, earth, coconut logs,
sand and concrete. the blast doors were made of highest grade metals normally used in arjun tank turrets
and could take a direct hit from a 1000lb bomb, buckle and absorb the impact but protect the precious
occupants.

sqdn leader Ahuja led the group of 8 briskly into the hall and each pair of pilots took a walkaround of the
sleek dark grey painted aeroplanes parked in a rough semicircle near the walls. ground staff hurried around
doing last minute checks and standing by to assist the pilots to strap in.

"alpha flight ready to fly sir" Ahuja spoke into a secure walkie talkie held by a ground staff as he calmly
walked up the metal ladder and settled into the front seat of his plane.

"cleared to fly, good luck Sunil" crackled the voice of group captain Soundarajan from the base's C3I bunker
located well away from the apron below 60ft of concrete and steel.

"roger that, over and out"

the next five minutes went in cockpit instrument checks, Ahuja extracted a memory card from his pocket and
inserting that into his navigation computer, let it pick up the data and update waypoints and target data into
the numerous computers dedicated to specialized tasks.

receiving the green light from his WSO sqdn ldr Nair, and the three other pilots, Ahuja signalled the traffic
director standing next to door and the clamshell gates smoothly started to slide apart. applying the minimum power to his throttle, the engines a thin dry growl, he felt the plane jerk fwd and begin rolling out onto the
taxiway, followed by the other three long black shapes, lights out, barring a single tailplane light used temporarily to guide those behind in queue.

the procession rolled quietly down the taxiway, until they reached the end of the main runway.

"alpha flight, cleared for takeoff" the radio came in quietly

applying full dry, one by one the black shapes gathered speed until liftoff and banking left, disappeared into
the dark night.

Ahuja snapped his taillight off and let the plane fly itself to its first waypoint once his 3 compatriots caught up with him.

in loose finger four formation, the 4 FGPA's cruised quietly at 650kmph, climbing towards 30,000ft.

----

the FGPA was the media name for the indian two seater version of the Pakfa destined for the RuAF. looking
nothing like its predecessor and still in service Su30, the Pakfa was all triangles and flatness. big but relative short triangular twin vertical tails replaced the tall ones of su30. the wings were trapezoidal and built for top speed of mach2.3 and easy supercruise in the transonic regime. a central internal bay mounted four pylons
for heavy weapons and a side bay , two pylons for smaller weapons. in FGPA, the other side bay was sometimes devoid of weapons but carried a SLAR radar pod to do SAR/ISAR mapping of large swathes of territory, sometimes extra chaff and flares were carried there for SEAD missions.

the big AL41-3 engines were deeply recessed and hidden from probing radar beams by S shaped intake
cunningly shaped to permit good air massflow but coated with layers of RAM material to dissipate and
attentuate radar beams bouncing along the channel. the engine tailpipes were again hidden from IR sensors
by bleeding in cold air and a 2D tvc nozzle.

above and below the nose were two El-op IRST hemispheres - programmable with the flick of a button to
operate in A2G or A2A sensitized modes. unlike the circular shape of the older OLS , these were edgy black
quartzy shapes chosen for least RCS.

cockpits were clean and spartan,almost germanic, on indian insistence moving away from
the old school clutter of the MKI. this was a cockpit designed from the ground up for ease
of use than adding a few MFDs as a afterthought.
dominating the center was a massive 32" OLED panel divided by sw into multiple info areas. the was a
vertical type panel on the right for weapon systems and another on left for engine and occupant health monitoring. the usual assortment of switch panels on left and right was gone. the hotas stick was in the center eschewing the rafale/f22 style side stick as it rendered things tough for left handed pilots. the HUD
was a indian one, frameless and cleanly covering the entire front view.

the boat shaped nose cone housed the NIIP tikhomirov "Pantsyr" radar which was one generation ahead of
the Irbis-E in the MKI MLU done in 2016. consisting of 2300 txrx elements on a slightly moveable elliptical shape plate it was the most powerful fighter radar bar none in the world. cooled by a liquid nitrogen and helium pack developed from the indo-israeli MMR-aesa project, its vast data feeds were processed by a
pulsating rack of custom computers and dsp's located in a cooled chamber beneath the cockpit. subsidiary small panels between the tailplane and on wing leading edges gave a 360' picture to some degree though the much smaller antenna aperture of these flank and tail arrays made the range more like a ancient kopyo radar. still something was better than nothing it was felt in the design community. more often these flank arrays
were used for data transfer at high speed and jamming of ground based radars.

recessed into the main internal bay, 4 long black cylindrical glonass guided bombs lay dormant. each was around 1200lb in weight and thin skinned, but packed with HE. not deep penetrator bombs, these were designed to take down above ground structures.

the side bays bristled with 2+2 of astra-2 aam's with head on 80km range, already proven in the previous
summer's mini war between the tezpur mki's and a half squadron of J10s that had attempted to support a
ground incursion near walong.

the thick wing root area and cft type flattened bays scabbed to side of air intakes held a vast array
of classified defensive EW gear designed to back up the all aspect stealth of the basic airframe.

the clean lines, big triangular wings and massive T:W gave it an acceleration where other planes in
IAF needed to use afterburners after takeoff to keep up with FGPA , and at the high end even the
waspish M2Ks found the going impossible in the regime Mach1.8-2.2. for one thing the ceiling of 70,000ft
was way beyond the M2k and the TVC and no external stores gave it a clear advantage in fuel economy
in the thin air. mostly M2K DACT planes ended up getting detected by the chin IRST at 50km and getting
a salvo of Mach5 AAMs executing zenith attacks on their hapless and sluggish planes low on fuel and
struggling at 45,000ft.

by 2018, the first FGPAs began arriving from HAL and in 2020, IAF had two squadrons worth - one in gwalior,
the other in nagpur...both intensively training in 1-vs-4 , 2-vs-8 and 4-vs-12 combat against MKIs from
neighbouring squadrons like pune and rae bareilly, usually returning everyday after doling out a sound thrashing per ACMI logs and leaked reports to disreputable blogs and web forums.


[to be contd]



Wow :evil: I finished my entire popcorn 'and' a couple of beers reading your scenario ! Way to go :mrgreen:

errr btw 32" OLED panel ... "vast array of classified defensive EW gear" :mrgreen:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby RayC » 24 Jan 2010 11:07

These pilots for the task were not on 'Runway Readiness'?

They walked?

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby kit » 24 Jan 2010 11:19

umm Singhaji is giving me some ideas .. how about a couple of unmanned versions of FGFA .. a la 'STEALTH' to be their robotic wing men :twisted: Eagerly waiting for lion ji s updates :mrgreen:

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Rahul M » 24 Jan 2010 11:23

Bala Vignesh wrote:Looks like we have a new entry in the scenario writers category... And sure as hell a good one... A great start sir... Waiting for follow on episodes....

new ? :eek: tauba tauba ! this is blasphemy ! singha ji THE pioneer of BR's scenrio thread. check thread-1 in archives.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Bala Vignesh » 24 Jan 2010 11:53

Klaus wrote:^^^ Second that, in fact Singhaji was one of the first scenario writers (started off with the army coup of BD and capture of lady-PM), followed by Shankarji, Dileep and Bala. In fact, we had a few (2) female writers who started some interesting ones but they discontinued soon enough, dont know why?

Rahul M wrote:
Bala Vignesh wrote:Looks like we have a new entry in the scenario writers category... And sure as hell a good one... A great start sir... Waiting for follow on episodes....

new ? :eek: tauba tauba ! this is blasphemy ! singha ji THE pioneer of BR's scenrio thread. check thread-1 in archives.

Maffi singha ji.. forgot about the BD scenario... my apologies for considering you a newbie, sir...


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