Mate it has to be latter or sooner !!kaangeya wrote:Shankar that's a lot of sorties, committing >20% of the IAF's battle strength to interdiction. Unprecedented?
Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
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IAF STATION NAL - BIKANER – RAJASTAN – 1000 HRS
Bikaner's history dates back to 1488 AD when a Rajput prince Rao Bika ji a descendent of the founder of Jodhpur (1459 AD)., Rao Jodha Ji established his kingdom here. Bika Ji chose a barren land called "Jungladesh" and shaped it into an impressive city, called Bikaner after the founder's name. Archeological surveys and excavations have established beyond doubt that civilization flourished here even before the Harappa period . Excavated statues, coins and carvings of stones and clay stands as testimony to this fact.Ever since the foundation of Bikaner till its accession into Indian Union in 1947 A.D. and there after it's integration in Rajasthan state in 30-3-1949 A.D., Bikaner has played a notable role in the history of the country. Bikaner state has produced several able Generals and warriors and distinguished Rulers and just to name of few Raja Rai Singh Ji-One of Akbar's most distinguished Generals. Another famous name is Raja Anup Singh who ascended the throne in AD 1669 a scholar and warrior. His period has been described as "the golden time of Bikaner valor and fame"Bikaner, heart of western Rajasthan, has been known as the "Tapo-Bhumi" of great sages and saints of yore since pre-historic times. The holy rivers Saraswati and Drishadwati used to flow in their glory in this area. Archeologist believe that the great Indian desert, the Thar, of which Bikaner is a part, was once an ocean, a belief which stands substantiated by the presence of sedimentary layers of various kinds of the precious clay, bajri etc. in the holy Kolayat area (55 km from Bikaner). Over the times major geographic and topographic changes took place when the sacred rivers dried up and the ocean receded .The region then gradually changed into ocean of deserts. Flora and fauna of the place typically reflects that of the desert .Trees are short with thin leaves to avoid water losses and have deep roots.
During the month of May-June thunderstorms are frequent post noon. Sometimes the wind may blow up to 120 kms per hour and may result in heavy disaster. Average no. of storm days is around 18 per year which is falling gradually due to increase in area under canal irrigation
Group captain Nagappa recapitulated the essence of gulf air campaign as he put down the
A League of Airmen book on his polished desk . He has been made responsible for the first of the many strike missions ,which together will add up to operation dessert thunder .On the distance he could see the long line of Mig 27s being serviced mostly in the open inside the protective ring of Akash and older SA6 missile systems . Small groups carrying shoulder fired Iglas patrolled the perimeter road in Gypsy and the entire inventory of 2 and four barreled Shilkas were positioned around the main runway .Four Mig 29s patrolled the sky and four more were ready on ground on cockpit alert . The most time consuming part of the activity –the loading of Gsh 30 6 guns of the Mig 27s have not yet started which will happen only when the basic servicing like replacement of tires .leaky seals ,faulty circuit breakers and hydraulic couplings is complete .
Nagappa could not help to notice the similarity in situation between him and the USAF commander before the commencement of gulf war .Here he was with a full wing of combat aircraft more or less in open less than 10 minutes from nearest enemy air base and depending totally on the air defenses to keep the asset safe as the massive armada was made combat ready ,not just here but all over Rajastan and Gujrat ,expected to get to action in less than 8 hours.
The latest round of sat and Phalcon data indicated enemy tank formation have slowly regrouped and now poised for a possible sudden strike north east of Jaisalmer town . The line of tanks and armored personnel carriers starched almost 50 kms in a semi circle and almost 3 deep .The logistics train of fuel tankers and ammo trucks stretched back even further. It was surely a target rich environment but a difficult target as each armored regiment had their own surface to air missile units and most of the tanks mounted anti aircraft guns – a deadly threat to any low flying aircraft .
Bikaner's history dates back to 1488 AD when a Rajput prince Rao Bika ji a descendent of the founder of Jodhpur (1459 AD)., Rao Jodha Ji established his kingdom here. Bika Ji chose a barren land called "Jungladesh" and shaped it into an impressive city, called Bikaner after the founder's name. Archeological surveys and excavations have established beyond doubt that civilization flourished here even before the Harappa period . Excavated statues, coins and carvings of stones and clay stands as testimony to this fact.Ever since the foundation of Bikaner till its accession into Indian Union in 1947 A.D. and there after it's integration in Rajasthan state in 30-3-1949 A.D., Bikaner has played a notable role in the history of the country. Bikaner state has produced several able Generals and warriors and distinguished Rulers and just to name of few Raja Rai Singh Ji-One of Akbar's most distinguished Generals. Another famous name is Raja Anup Singh who ascended the throne in AD 1669 a scholar and warrior. His period has been described as "the golden time of Bikaner valor and fame"Bikaner, heart of western Rajasthan, has been known as the "Tapo-Bhumi" of great sages and saints of yore since pre-historic times. The holy rivers Saraswati and Drishadwati used to flow in their glory in this area. Archeologist believe that the great Indian desert, the Thar, of which Bikaner is a part, was once an ocean, a belief which stands substantiated by the presence of sedimentary layers of various kinds of the precious clay, bajri etc. in the holy Kolayat area (55 km from Bikaner). Over the times major geographic and topographic changes took place when the sacred rivers dried up and the ocean receded .The region then gradually changed into ocean of deserts. Flora and fauna of the place typically reflects that of the desert .Trees are short with thin leaves to avoid water losses and have deep roots.
During the month of May-June thunderstorms are frequent post noon. Sometimes the wind may blow up to 120 kms per hour and may result in heavy disaster. Average no. of storm days is around 18 per year which is falling gradually due to increase in area under canal irrigation
Group captain Nagappa recapitulated the essence of gulf air campaign as he put down the
A League of Airmen book on his polished desk . He has been made responsible for the first of the many strike missions ,which together will add up to operation dessert thunder .On the distance he could see the long line of Mig 27s being serviced mostly in the open inside the protective ring of Akash and older SA6 missile systems . Small groups carrying shoulder fired Iglas patrolled the perimeter road in Gypsy and the entire inventory of 2 and four barreled Shilkas were positioned around the main runway .Four Mig 29s patrolled the sky and four more were ready on ground on cockpit alert . The most time consuming part of the activity –the loading of Gsh 30 6 guns of the Mig 27s have not yet started which will happen only when the basic servicing like replacement of tires .leaky seals ,faulty circuit breakers and hydraulic couplings is complete .
Nagappa could not help to notice the similarity in situation between him and the USAF commander before the commencement of gulf war .Here he was with a full wing of combat aircraft more or less in open less than 10 minutes from nearest enemy air base and depending totally on the air defenses to keep the asset safe as the massive armada was made combat ready ,not just here but all over Rajastan and Gujrat ,expected to get to action in less than 8 hours.
The latest round of sat and Phalcon data indicated enemy tank formation have slowly regrouped and now poised for a possible sudden strike north east of Jaisalmer town . The line of tanks and armored personnel carriers starched almost 50 kms in a semi circle and almost 3 deep .The logistics train of fuel tankers and ammo trucks stretched back even further. It was surely a target rich environment but a difficult target as each armored regiment had their own surface to air missile units and most of the tanks mounted anti aircraft guns – a deadly threat to any low flying aircraft .
A recent RAND publication, A League of Airmen: U.S. Air Power in the Gulf War, by James A. Winnefeld, Preston Niblack, and Dana J. Johnson, helps place the air war in perspective by describing and evaluating how the tri-service air campaign was put together and executed. The authors rely primarily on a large body of RAND analysis conducted during and shortly after the war and on a number of additional analyses now becoming more available in unclassified literature. The book starts by tracing the rebirth of U.S. air power after the Vietnam conflict and examining the strategic setting of the Gulf War. It then considers the air forces' deployment, the planning for the air campaign, operations and tactics, and the massive logistics and information support systems that were installed in the desert. It ends by discussing the performance of air power and by commenting on its role --its contribution to the Desert Storm victory and its place among the instruments of national military power in the post-cold war world.
As the book proceeds, it takes on a number of widely accepted but misleading claims about what policymakers can learn by studying Operation Desert Shield and Desert Storm (ODS). One such claim is that the conflict served as a demonstration that a strategic air campaign can be used to win a war. The authors contend, however, that the strategic phase met with only mixed success. Major disappointments included the failure to locate and destroy mobile Scud launchers and to identify and target production facilities for Iraq's nuclear and chemical weapons programs. The authors point out that such failures underscore one of the major limitations of air power: While all forms of military power are critically dependent on intelligence, the air weapon is particularly vulnerable to inadequate intelligence and poor battle damage assessment.
However, the strategic phase did have its dramatic successes. The campaign against Iraqi air power--its air defense system and its air force--was swift and effective. Perhaps the most important feature of the entire air campaign was the establishment of air superiority in the first hours of battle. The Iraqi Air Force was blinded, then pinned down, then parts of it were chased to Iran while other parts were destroyed when they chose to hunker down in shelters. This achievement was a precondition for the unhindered pursuit of the rest of the air campaign, including attacks on the enemy's command and control facilities and supply routes. The strategic phase, therefore, contributed important "spillover" effects--disrupting supply lines and hampering the enemy's battle movement--which weakened Iraqi forces even before the start of the battlefield preparation phase that immediately preceded the ground war.
Strikes on enemy ground units were the air campaign's most significant contribution to the war. This use of air power--which did not rely on the spectacular new "smart weapons" but on traditional "dumb" iron bombs employed in mass--reduced the Iraqi army in Kuwait to a frightened and ineffectual fighting force. The result was light opposition, non engagement, or surrender by Iraqi units and low casualties on both sides during the ground war. Air power had demonstrated most convincingly that--skillfully employed under the right conditions--it can neutralize, if not completely destroy, a modern army in the field.
Another common claim about the Gulf War is that the coalition's victory was based primarily on a revolution in weapons technology. The authors point out, however, that much of the technology was not all that revolutionary. The average age of the air systems used in ODS was close to 14 years. Many of the older systems--the A-10 Warthog, the F-4 Wild Weasel, the venerable B-52 strategic bomber--contributed significantly to the overall effort. As much as anything else, the air war demonstrated how effective a maturing technology can be in the hands of exceptionally well-trained and highly motivated airmen and their support crews. And although the F-117A stealth fighter and the Tomahawk missile received most of the attention, perhaps the most significant advances in technology came in the form of information systems. Such developments as space support of battlefield commanders and global communications networks made ODS the first modern "information" war in which every aspect of military operations depended to some degree on complex information systems that had until then not been available or effectively integrated into such operations
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
Shankar-ji,
Is it theoretically possible to initiate a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan where
a) all its airfields are sanitized with 40-50 brahmos on each of its air fields? I found 10 such air bases.
b) all its army contonments with a combination of Brahmos and Prithvis
c) Its CCC centers with Brahmos missiles.
What will constistute a secondary strike from Pakistan in such a scenario? Please note that none of IA or IAF forces are crossing the border?
Can such a strike happen with minimum reaction time (say 10-15 minutes?).
What will be the economic costs to Pakistan?
What will be PRC/US response to such a strike?
Just a crazy thought and appreciate a serious answer.
Is it theoretically possible to initiate a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan where
a) all its airfields are sanitized with 40-50 brahmos on each of its air fields? I found 10 such air bases.
b) all its army contonments with a combination of Brahmos and Prithvis
c) Its CCC centers with Brahmos missiles.
What will constistute a secondary strike from Pakistan in such a scenario? Please note that none of IA or IAF forces are crossing the border?
Can such a strike happen with minimum reaction time (say 10-15 minutes?).
What will be the economic costs to Pakistan?
What will be PRC/US response to such a strike?
Just a crazy thought and appreciate a serious answer.
Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
Pakistan has an advanced air defense network based on a large number of radars and integrated surface to air missiles and interceptor aircraft located very close to international border . so while a few surgical strike is possible an over the board preemptive strike like israel di with egypt and syria would be not a wise decision unless we are mentally and politically ready for an all out war which may include the nuclear dimensionShankar-ji,
Is it theoretically possible to initiate a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan where
a) all its airfields are sanitized with 40-50 brahmos on each of its air fields? I found 10 such air bases.
b) all its army contonments with a combination of Brahmos and Prithvis
c) Its CCC centers with Brahmos missiles.
What will constistute a secondary strike from Pakistan in such a scenario? Please note that none of IA or IAF forces are crossing the border?
Can such a strike happen with minimum reaction time (say 10-15 minutes?).
What will be the economic costs to Pakistan?
What will be PRC/US response to such a strike?
Just a crazy thought and appreciate a serious answer.
you should understand pakistan has very little so called strategic depth which means while we keep our strikes localized say 50 km around border they will not feel threatened of existence and may not panic press the nuke button .But an all out assault that too with supersonic land attack missiles will surely trigger irrational response from Pakistani military leadership
use of any kind of surface to surface missiles including cruise missile has an inherent escalator y dimension
as long as a clash is restricted to border region away from its capital region Pakistan will not react much -see how the taliban went almost 100 km from islamabad before Pakistani army was committed to battle
at the moment saturation barrage with brahmos is not practical from a number of view points but localized strike on selected targets close to border is surely possible
Pakistani strike back will involve manned aircraft and short range surface to surface missiles i think at our forward bases and economic targets close to border like dams ,stations ,industrial units ,medium size border cities to create panic . This can happen within say 30 minutes since pakistan army is not really under control of its civilian government
You should understand pakistan as of date has nothing left to loose -their economy in shambles - nuclear arsenal most likely under US control even most of its airspace is indirectly controlled by USAF - the army morale at lowest with mass desertion happening everyday -isolated and marked as a terrorist state by the world community for all practical purpose - booming indian economy even in world of recession
well they have their back to wall - and people loose reason in such a situation
just my thoughts
Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
sir ,Shankar wrote:Pakistan has an advanced air defense network based on a large number of radars and integrated surface to air missiles and interceptor aircraft located very close to international border . so while a few surgical strike is possible an over the board preemptive strike like israel di with egypt and syria would be not a wise decision unless we are mentally and politically ready for an all out war which may include the nuclear dimensionShankar-ji,
Is it theoretically possible to initiate a pre-emptive strike on Pakistan where
a) all its airfields are sanitized with 40-50 brahmos on each of its air fields? I found 10 such air bases.
b) all its army contonments with a combination of Brahmos and Prithvis
c) Its CCC centers with Brahmos missiles.
What will constistute a secondary strike from Pakistan in such a scenario? Please note that none of IA or IAF forces are crossing the border?
Can such a strike happen with minimum reaction time (say 10-15 minutes?).
What will be the economic costs to Pakistan?
What will be PRC/US response to such a strike?
Just a crazy thought and appreciate a serious answer.
you should understand pakistan has very little so called strategic depth which means while we keep our strikes localized say 50 km around border they will not feel threatened of existence and may not panic press the nuke button .But an all out assault that too with supersonic land attack missiles will surely trigger irrational response from Pakistani military leadership
use of any kind of surface to surface missiles including cruise missile has an inherent escalator y dimension
as long as a clash is restricted to border region away from its capital region Pakistan will not react much -see how the taliban went almost 100 km from islamabad before Pakistani army was committed to battle
at the moment saturation barrage with brahmos is not practical from a number of view points but localized strike on selected targets close to border is surely possible
Pakistani strike back will involve manned aircraft and short range surface to surface missiles i think at our forward bases and economic targets close to border like dams ,stations ,industrial units ,medium size border cities to create panic . This can happen within say 30 minutes since pakistan army is not really under control of its civilian government
You should understand pakistan as of date has nothing left to loose -their economy in shambles - nuclear arsenal most likely under US control even most of its airspace is indirectly controlled by USAF - the army morale at lowest with mass desertion happening everyday -isolated and marked as a terrorist state by the world community for all practical purpose - booming indian economy even in world of recession
well they have their back to wall - and people loose reason in such a situation
just my thoughts
what will be the situation when , if Pakistan do the same kind of preemptive strike on india..?
do we have the capability to intercept their Surface to Surface missiles.. ?
and can our new AWACS can detect the same ..?
[actually it is a newbie question , sorry to experts if it doesnt make any sense]
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?what will be the situation when , if Pakistan do the same kind of preemptive strike on india..?
do we have the capability to intercept their Surface to Surface missiles.. ?
and can our new AWACS can detect the same ..
premptive strike by PAF will be detected for sure and neutralized to a great extent but some will get through .While it will not have any serious damage to our war fighting capability will generate some level of panic with civilian population .Cities like amritsar,jaipur,jodhpur and some extent jamnagar is vulnerable
IAF will retaliate immediately with pre assigned target list and the deep strike capability today despite all DDM sensationalism is massive . The scenario am writing now is just to highlight that superlative offensive capability of IAF today -pakistan has nothing except the two squadrons of falcons to offer resistance which will be swept away albeit some losses to us but them IAF will surely dominate the skies over pakistan in a matter of 2/3 days
we have some missile interception capability but that is not enough if Pakistan uses a saturation missile strike
awacs can detect missiles but needs lot of networking capability and resources in air to effectively neutralize the laucnh sites like us did to some extent in gulf war and even they were not very successful to say the least and they had far more space and air based assets to do the job
intercepting a missile is still a game of chance
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IAF STATION LOHEGAON – 1100 HRS
Air commodore Chauhan jumped out of his gypsy to take care of an unprecedented problem . one of the flankers while being pushed out have some how managed to get its nose wheel assembly stuck in a storm drain just outside the hanger ,holding up the push out of other eight birds still inside . The engineers were frantically trying to lift it out with hydraulic jacks but were afraid to use too much pressure for fear of damaging the sensitive steering gear assembly located just behind the wheels.
- “get the bloody airbags” ,screamed chauhan as technicians rushed in all direction to unpack the bulky heavy duty air lift bags out of its protective cover and positioned under the wings .
- “now where is the nitrogen cart” another scream this time from the engineer in charge of the squadron and some one rushed out to drive down the nitrogen cart some distance away
It took all of 20 minutes before the nitrogen cart was hooked to the air bags and slowly the air pressure took on the weight of the flanker off the nose wheel and the ground crew could manhandle the giant bird into hard tarmac
The sprawling air base presented a chaotic sight with nearly eighty birds in the process of getting combat ready accidents were just waiting to happen . Chauhan hoped they will not be serious. other side of the runway two more squadrons have cleared maintenance and now being fueled up from the fuelling points and one by one taxing into pre assigned parking slots . As each moved out technicians moved in with mobile bomb and missile loaders, carefully uploading the ordinance, securing it into the pylon locks and finally making the electrical and data link connections.
His personal bleeper blipped –which meant he need to be in the secure communication console immediately for a mission update .one last look at the line up of flankers and he jumped back into the gypsy ,gunning the engine for all its worth as he flashed over the perimeter road towards the communication block .
The runway crossing gate was closed and air commodore Chauhan waited impatiently as one after another 3 IL76 s landed on the main runway, carrying in their cavernous hold hundreds of missiles and thousands of comparatively small 250 kg bombs that will be used to replace those planned to used in today’s strike mission
He reached the communication block and rushed to his personal console ,the air officer commanding was waiting –the message was simple and clear ,the time line for mission is now confirmed .S hour is 1600 hrs which meant he had less than 6 hours to get all his birds in air .
He clicked on the lap top and the problems started popping up in regular interval
019 having overheating radar – engineers were working on it but replacing the cooling pack took time
045 hydraulics leakage in master cylinder –seals are being changed
051 flight computer re booting on its own –being replaced
64 bomb release mechanism problem –pylon being replaced
071 and 073 – seal leakage in thrust vectoring nozzle – being replaced
-not enough missile carrying cart to go by
Problem in civilian terminal as some rowdy passengers have blocked the approach road because of sudden closure of runway to civilian traffic –air force police on their way with a senior officer to sort out the problem.
The overhead watch read 1200 hours – 5 more hours to go
Air commodore Chauhan jumped out of his gypsy to take care of an unprecedented problem . one of the flankers while being pushed out have some how managed to get its nose wheel assembly stuck in a storm drain just outside the hanger ,holding up the push out of other eight birds still inside . The engineers were frantically trying to lift it out with hydraulic jacks but were afraid to use too much pressure for fear of damaging the sensitive steering gear assembly located just behind the wheels.
- “get the bloody airbags” ,screamed chauhan as technicians rushed in all direction to unpack the bulky heavy duty air lift bags out of its protective cover and positioned under the wings .
- “now where is the nitrogen cart” another scream this time from the engineer in charge of the squadron and some one rushed out to drive down the nitrogen cart some distance away
It took all of 20 minutes before the nitrogen cart was hooked to the air bags and slowly the air pressure took on the weight of the flanker off the nose wheel and the ground crew could manhandle the giant bird into hard tarmac
The sprawling air base presented a chaotic sight with nearly eighty birds in the process of getting combat ready accidents were just waiting to happen . Chauhan hoped they will not be serious. other side of the runway two more squadrons have cleared maintenance and now being fueled up from the fuelling points and one by one taxing into pre assigned parking slots . As each moved out technicians moved in with mobile bomb and missile loaders, carefully uploading the ordinance, securing it into the pylon locks and finally making the electrical and data link connections.
His personal bleeper blipped –which meant he need to be in the secure communication console immediately for a mission update .one last look at the line up of flankers and he jumped back into the gypsy ,gunning the engine for all its worth as he flashed over the perimeter road towards the communication block .
The runway crossing gate was closed and air commodore Chauhan waited impatiently as one after another 3 IL76 s landed on the main runway, carrying in their cavernous hold hundreds of missiles and thousands of comparatively small 250 kg bombs that will be used to replace those planned to used in today’s strike mission
He reached the communication block and rushed to his personal console ,the air officer commanding was waiting –the message was simple and clear ,the time line for mission is now confirmed .S hour is 1600 hrs which meant he had less than 6 hours to get all his birds in air .
He clicked on the lap top and the problems started popping up in regular interval
019 having overheating radar – engineers were working on it but replacing the cooling pack took time
045 hydraulics leakage in master cylinder –seals are being changed
051 flight computer re booting on its own –being replaced
64 bomb release mechanism problem –pylon being replaced
071 and 073 – seal leakage in thrust vectoring nozzle – being replaced
-not enough missile carrying cart to go by
Problem in civilian terminal as some rowdy passengers have blocked the approach road because of sudden closure of runway to civilian traffic –air force police on their way with a senior officer to sort out the problem.
The overhead watch read 1200 hours – 5 more hours to go
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Thank you Shankar-ji. Appreciate your thoughts.
Is there any email address I can reach you at? Thank you.
You can write me at ramay.brf at gmail
Is there any email address I can reach you at? Thank you.
You can write me at ramay.brf at gmail
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So we are fighting USA thru TSP in the conventional realm and PRC in nuclear realm? Is this a fair assessment?XPosting Ramana wrote:So a lot of conventional armament was gifted by the US to bring up the TSP offence/defence capapbility. Yet they complain and worry about Indian threat!
Pakistan used anti-terrorism aid to build conventional force
Washington: Pakistan has used a substantial amount of military aid from the U.S. meant to fight terrorism to build up its army with modern weapons and equipment for a conventional warfare against India, Pentagon documents have revealed.
All this was done with the knowledge of the then Bush Administration, which not only provided $1.9 billion in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) but also signed agreements with Pakistan for military sales worth nearly $5 billion during the period, showed the documents accessed by PTI.
The Pentagon documents also revealed that a major post-9/11 American defence supply to Pakistan under FMF had nothing to do with its fight against terrorism.
While the Taliban and Al-Qaeda gained ground in the tribal areas of Pakistan bordering Afghanistan, Islamabad bought eight P-3C Orion maritime patrol aircraft and their refurbishment worth $474 million. It also placed orders for 5,250 TOW anti-armour missiles worth $186 million. 2,007 of these have already been delivered and the rest are in the process of being supplied.
Besides buying more than 5,600 military radio sets worth $163 million, Pakistan bought six AN/TPS-77 surveillance radars worth $100 million and six C-130E transport aircraft and their refurbishment worth $76 million. Under the Excess Defence Articles (EDA), it was granted 20 AH-1F Cobra attack helicopters, which were then refurbished, according to the Pentagon documents. Pakistan also used a substantial chunk of America’s FMF to purchase up to 60 mid-life update kits for F-16 A/B combat aircraft valued at $891 million.
Islamabad also paid a whopping $1.43 billion to the U.S. to purchase 18 new F-16 combat aircraft and another $629 million for F-16 armaments. — PTI
I guess India too needs a proxy in Pakistan territory, which it can use to continue the fight there. How to legitimize such a proxy is food for thought for the strategic leadership...
TSP's nuclear threshold is coming down and down by the day, because it is in the best interests of USA/PRC.
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IAF STATION NAL - BIKANER – RAJASTAN – 1300 HR
Group captain Nagappa checked his watch and looked over the sprawling parking apron of Nal air base complex . Both the Mig 27 squadrons were almost ready in their hard shelters spread all along the base and connected to the main runway 24. The Mig 29 s were in the open all armed and getting fuelled up ,4 at a time while the other 4 stayed on cockpit alert parked close to the hammerhead of main runway for a quick launch if required
The Mig 27 s were loaded to the limit, essentially with 57/81 mm rockets first squadron and the second squadron with 500/250 kg bombs . All of them carried the 900 round 30 mm shell belt for their devastating six barrel cannons which might play a devastating role in the coming conflict.
The Mig 29 s were armed with again 4 R 73 and 2 R-77 each and assigned area defense role around the target zone .A flight of sukhois ,located temporarily at Jaipur will carry out the enemy air defense suppression role just before the actual strike begins with long range KH 31 P anti radiation missiles to take out the organic air defense regiment command and control structure including mobile radars making it comparatively safe for the Mig 27 s to deliver the first decisive punch to enemy armor .
He planned to fly in low –subject to clearance from air battle commander on board Phalcon .enter battle zone straight and fast –drop ordanance and exit supersonic at right angles to ingress and then turn inwards to home base and get ready for a quick turn around in less than one hour flat and await the result of other strike missions from Jaisalmer and Lohegaon before getting into the act if necessary .
With such a large number of assets on grounds the base itself was in a state of maximum alert and that included runway surveillance radar, long range search radar and secondary surveillance radar all emitting at maximum power apart from the real time data down load on air space situation from the orbiting Phalcon
Loading up the belts in magazine box of six barreled Gasha took maximum time and the ground crew cursed and spat as each heavy belt was roughly manhandled into position and locked in and access door closed, before moving onto the next aircraft in line . All the 27 s had their wings tucked to 72 degree to create more space for the ground crew to work inside the crammed hanger and will spread out to normal 22 degree only when out in the open just before preflight check.
Nagappa looked at the watch again ,it was already 1345 hrs and time for a quick delayed lunch of curd rice and sambhar with some fish curry .He like to go to battle in full stomach and clear brain – after flying for more than 2000 hours in all types of Mig combat stress was not a factor of concern for him . As he walked back towards the officers mess first of the ready 27 s started getting pushed into the parking apron just outside the hard shelters .
Group captain Nagappa checked his watch and looked over the sprawling parking apron of Nal air base complex . Both the Mig 27 squadrons were almost ready in their hard shelters spread all along the base and connected to the main runway 24. The Mig 29 s were in the open all armed and getting fuelled up ,4 at a time while the other 4 stayed on cockpit alert parked close to the hammerhead of main runway for a quick launch if required
The Mig 27 s were loaded to the limit, essentially with 57/81 mm rockets first squadron and the second squadron with 500/250 kg bombs . All of them carried the 900 round 30 mm shell belt for their devastating six barrel cannons which might play a devastating role in the coming conflict.
The Mig 29 s were armed with again 4 R 73 and 2 R-77 each and assigned area defense role around the target zone .A flight of sukhois ,located temporarily at Jaipur will carry out the enemy air defense suppression role just before the actual strike begins with long range KH 31 P anti radiation missiles to take out the organic air defense regiment command and control structure including mobile radars making it comparatively safe for the Mig 27 s to deliver the first decisive punch to enemy armor .
He planned to fly in low –subject to clearance from air battle commander on board Phalcon .enter battle zone straight and fast –drop ordanance and exit supersonic at right angles to ingress and then turn inwards to home base and get ready for a quick turn around in less than one hour flat and await the result of other strike missions from Jaisalmer and Lohegaon before getting into the act if necessary .
With such a large number of assets on grounds the base itself was in a state of maximum alert and that included runway surveillance radar, long range search radar and secondary surveillance radar all emitting at maximum power apart from the real time data down load on air space situation from the orbiting Phalcon
Loading up the belts in magazine box of six barreled Gasha took maximum time and the ground crew cursed and spat as each heavy belt was roughly manhandled into position and locked in and access door closed, before moving onto the next aircraft in line . All the 27 s had their wings tucked to 72 degree to create more space for the ground crew to work inside the crammed hanger and will spread out to normal 22 degree only when out in the open just before preflight check.
Nagappa looked at the watch again ,it was already 1345 hrs and time for a quick delayed lunch of curd rice and sambhar with some fish curry .He like to go to battle in full stomach and clear brain – after flying for more than 2000 hours in all types of Mig combat stress was not a factor of concern for him . As he walked back towards the officers mess first of the ready 27 s started getting pushed into the parking apron just outside the hard shelters .
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Do the pukis have some AEW&C capability in this time frame? If yes, what would be used to take it out ?
Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
Looking forward to see how the massive IAF strike plays out, but wouldn't the "electron beam weapon" that India is using to create the air blockade mean that there will not be any PAF opposition (as neither planes nor SAMs would be able to lift off to engage IAF fighters/bombers). The only opposition would be anti-air guns and this threat can be easily dealt with by flying high.
So, instead of flying low and fast as the Group Captain is planning for his Mig-27s, he would be much better off flying high and away from any possible danger to his aircrafts.
So, instead of flying low and fast as the Group Captain is planning for his Mig-27s, he would be much better off flying high and away from any possible danger to his aircrafts.
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IAF STATION AGRA – EAGLE EYE – 1 X A-50 BARIEV PHALCON -1500 HRS +4 SU 30 MKI
Air commodore Bhaskar strapped into his some what spacious air battle commanders seat as the state of the art early warning –command and control aircraft got ready to get to sky . All electronics were power off mode till take off procedure is complete and the pilot in command a senior group captain gave the go ahead to activate on board electronic systems . The full team was in station and some more from army and air force to provide specialized input at any stage of the battle.
He picked out the DVD from his carry on case and placed it on the small desk in front .The DVD contained the latest satellite imagery of enemy formation and also various IAF formations available for the mission to the minutest detail including a short biography of the lead pilots and their service records. A separate flash drive contained the authorization code for the mission and the spectrum of data link and audio frequency to be used today . He leaned forward and pushed the intercom button
- we are ready group captain – take off when ever ready
- copy that sir – contacting ATC now
- tower – eagle eye – dessert thunder –request clearance to start motor
- eagle eye –tower –taxi way clear –weather good –wind 18 kms 175 on runway
- copy that tower –starting engine
Group captain Akash Chopra scanned the displays and checked the circuit breakers ,the digital fuel gauge and the hydraulic pressure ,flaps set to 5 degree for normal take off ,tightened the straps and closed ignition for the number two engine which rumbled a couple of times then caught on smoothly and the rpm came up to green mark as he moved his hand to start the number 3 engine which started much quicker followed by other two ,waited for a few minutes for the turbine exhaust temperature to stabilize to around 540 degree C when he clicked off the parking break and slowly released the main break
The A-50 did not move,it was too heavy to move on idle speed and akash added a little power ,just a notch and time the phalcon moved slowly at first and then faster as heavy bird gained momentum ,out of its parking slot into the taxi way .The escorting sukhois were already taking off in pairs on the main runway and will be circling the main run way at assigned altitude during take off of the phalcon .
The aircraft picked up speed and was sonndoing nearly 50 km/hr as it approached the hammerhead and turned into the main runway
-tower –eagle eye – on hold position –request permission to take –over
-eagle eye –tower – air space closed to all traffic but you –cleared for immediate take –fly runway heading –climb to 6000 meters before resuming own navigation – good luck and good hunting
- copy that tower –eagle eye rolling now
Akash looked at his first officer and flight engineer,nodded and then leaned forward to push the collective all the way forward ,waited for the rpm to build up to maximum and when he could feel the airframe vibrating under him for release ,he released the main brake and held tight the control yoke as the four mighty engine poured out all their collective power to make the bird fly
The white center line markers blurred into a single line as the first officer called out to rotate and V2 speed was reached .Akash waited a second more ,feeling the ease of control and then pulled the stick forward in one smooth motion .The A-50 lifted its nose off the tarmac slowly and then slowly hesitatingly left ground and started clawing into air –into its element .
- landing gear up – climb rate 100 meters/min –altitude 260 ft came in the voice of young wing commander – turbine rpm 110% -turbine exhaust temperature 650 degree C and climbing .,came in the voice of flight engineer over intercom
Akash eased back on the stick and in the same motion cut power to 955 maximum power – the nose leveled out some what as he put the aircraft on shallow turning climb along the Jamuna river an could see the superlative Taj in the distance ,beautiful as always
- air speed 380 km/hr – altitude 1000 meter
- retract flaps
- flaps retracted –air speed 410 km/hr –climb rate 200 meters minute –altitude 1276 meters
The city of Agra receded into distance and Akash put the aircraft on a course For Jaisalmer which will be his patrol station and emergency air field .
-tower – changing course to 210 –altitude 2000 meters –commencing own navigation –over and out .
He cliked on the intercom and informed the air battle commander that they were now cleared to activate the electronics and then relaxed back into his seat planning out the patrol pattern for the coming battle .
Air commodore Bhaskar strapped into his some what spacious air battle commanders seat as the state of the art early warning –command and control aircraft got ready to get to sky . All electronics were power off mode till take off procedure is complete and the pilot in command a senior group captain gave the go ahead to activate on board electronic systems . The full team was in station and some more from army and air force to provide specialized input at any stage of the battle.
He picked out the DVD from his carry on case and placed it on the small desk in front .The DVD contained the latest satellite imagery of enemy formation and also various IAF formations available for the mission to the minutest detail including a short biography of the lead pilots and their service records. A separate flash drive contained the authorization code for the mission and the spectrum of data link and audio frequency to be used today . He leaned forward and pushed the intercom button
- we are ready group captain – take off when ever ready
- copy that sir – contacting ATC now
- tower – eagle eye – dessert thunder –request clearance to start motor
- eagle eye –tower –taxi way clear –weather good –wind 18 kms 175 on runway
- copy that tower –starting engine
Group captain Akash Chopra scanned the displays and checked the circuit breakers ,the digital fuel gauge and the hydraulic pressure ,flaps set to 5 degree for normal take off ,tightened the straps and closed ignition for the number two engine which rumbled a couple of times then caught on smoothly and the rpm came up to green mark as he moved his hand to start the number 3 engine which started much quicker followed by other two ,waited for a few minutes for the turbine exhaust temperature to stabilize to around 540 degree C when he clicked off the parking break and slowly released the main break
The A-50 did not move,it was too heavy to move on idle speed and akash added a little power ,just a notch and time the phalcon moved slowly at first and then faster as heavy bird gained momentum ,out of its parking slot into the taxi way .The escorting sukhois were already taking off in pairs on the main runway and will be circling the main run way at assigned altitude during take off of the phalcon .
The aircraft picked up speed and was sonndoing nearly 50 km/hr as it approached the hammerhead and turned into the main runway
-tower –eagle eye – on hold position –request permission to take –over
-eagle eye –tower – air space closed to all traffic but you –cleared for immediate take –fly runway heading –climb to 6000 meters before resuming own navigation – good luck and good hunting
- copy that tower –eagle eye rolling now
Akash looked at his first officer and flight engineer,nodded and then leaned forward to push the collective all the way forward ,waited for the rpm to build up to maximum and when he could feel the airframe vibrating under him for release ,he released the main brake and held tight the control yoke as the four mighty engine poured out all their collective power to make the bird fly
The white center line markers blurred into a single line as the first officer called out to rotate and V2 speed was reached .Akash waited a second more ,feeling the ease of control and then pulled the stick forward in one smooth motion .The A-50 lifted its nose off the tarmac slowly and then slowly hesitatingly left ground and started clawing into air –into its element .
- landing gear up – climb rate 100 meters/min –altitude 260 ft came in the voice of young wing commander – turbine rpm 110% -turbine exhaust temperature 650 degree C and climbing .,came in the voice of flight engineer over intercom
Akash eased back on the stick and in the same motion cut power to 955 maximum power – the nose leveled out some what as he put the aircraft on shallow turning climb along the Jamuna river an could see the superlative Taj in the distance ,beautiful as always
- air speed 380 km/hr – altitude 1000 meter
- retract flaps
- flaps retracted –air speed 410 km/hr –climb rate 200 meters minute –altitude 1276 meters
The city of Agra receded into distance and Akash put the aircraft on a course For Jaisalmer which will be his patrol station and emergency air field .
-tower – changing course to 210 –altitude 2000 meters –commencing own navigation –over and out .
He cliked on the intercom and informed the air battle commander that they were now cleared to activate the electronics and then relaxed back into his seat planning out the patrol pattern for the coming battle .
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
Shyam,
Shankar surely adds spice to my scenarios with his wonderful writing but his scenario is entirely separate.
Hopefully that answers your question.
Shankar surely adds spice to my scenarios with his wonderful writing but his scenario is entirely separate.
Hopefully that answers your question.
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
Day 7 continues…
2212 HRS, Jaipur Cantt
Lt. Pooja saw the tell tale spike of infrared near the village of Islamgarh and informed her CO. The information was faithfully relayed to 12th corps.
2230 HRS, 10:00 PM, Village of Islamgarh, TSP
Lt General Mohammad shouted at the top of his lungs, “Go, Go, Go! Get them as soon as you can. You got 3 hours.” As soon as Colonel Raza (commanding the 25th Mechanized) heard the order, he shouted in his mike, “Guys, let’s get them and we are not going to stop for anything till we reach Kishangarh.”
Colonel Gurez commanding the 26th Mechanized and Colonel Jung commanding the 14th Infantry were the next to go to, “Bhuttewala it is, let’s make sure we roast Bhutte (Punjabi colloquial for corn) there tomorrow over the burning wreckage of Indian tanks.
Last to move out of Islamgarh were men of 35th infantry destined for Sarkari Tala commanded by Colonel Ahmed.
2345 hours, Indian Forward Post, Between Bhuttelwala and International border
The sky was clear and the stars were twinkling, Naik Subedar singh couldn’t help compare the stars to her wife’s eyes! “Oh, how much I miss her.” He thought. In the mean time Sepoy Karma and Jeevan were watching the border with Night vision goggles, when all of a sudden Jeevan quietly put his hand on Subedar’s shoulder, Subedar looked to Jeevan as he handed his goggles to him. Subedar looked though the goggles and immediately picked the encrypted Motorola long range radio, “Alpha 1 to Charlie, I’ve got moment of heavy armor from Islamgarh. Reading multiple infrared signatures moving at about 25 clicks.”
Operator at mobile command centre immediately handed the receiver to Lt. General Prakaram. The General replied, “I have similar sighting from Beta 3 at Sarkari tala and Gamma 2 from Kishangarh. You stay put and watch their movements. I need numbers and estimate of their strength. Questions?”
Subedar singh replied, “Understood sir, over and out.”
2346 hours, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps.
General Prakaram immediately switched to corps wide frequency on the com set, “All units, looks like tonight is the night. We have confirmations from our forward spotters. Get everybody out and ready. You are free to fire as soon as the forward units positively identify that they have crossed the border.”
2347 Hours, 3 KMs south east of Village of Bhuttelwala
Brigadier Sher Singh commanding 4 Armd jumped in his command tank as soon as the orders came in. All the systems were already fired up and thanks to recent upgrades and netcentric warfare technology he can see the position of all 60 T-90’s under his command.
Currently all the armour elements were rigged for silent running, and were running on batteries to provide least infrared signatures. In addition, all the tanks were dug in with only guns poking out of the ground.
Brigadier Faulad commanding 340 Mech Bde was already in his command BMP and could see his 60 BMP’s interspersed with tanks from 4 Armd. He shouted in his com unit, “Tonight is our Diwali, let’s make sure we destroy more paki T-80’s then the 4 Armd.”
Brigadier Sher Singh radioed Brigadier Faulad, “Faulad, let’s see what you are made of, the bet is on.”
Brigadier Faulad replied, “You rub my back and I will rub yours. Tell your boys to stick to the plan.”
Day 7 Ends.
2212 HRS, Jaipur Cantt
Lt. Pooja saw the tell tale spike of infrared near the village of Islamgarh and informed her CO. The information was faithfully relayed to 12th corps.
2230 HRS, 10:00 PM, Village of Islamgarh, TSP
Lt General Mohammad shouted at the top of his lungs, “Go, Go, Go! Get them as soon as you can. You got 3 hours.” As soon as Colonel Raza (commanding the 25th Mechanized) heard the order, he shouted in his mike, “Guys, let’s get them and we are not going to stop for anything till we reach Kishangarh.”
Colonel Gurez commanding the 26th Mechanized and Colonel Jung commanding the 14th Infantry were the next to go to, “Bhuttewala it is, let’s make sure we roast Bhutte (Punjabi colloquial for corn) there tomorrow over the burning wreckage of Indian tanks.
Last to move out of Islamgarh were men of 35th infantry destined for Sarkari Tala commanded by Colonel Ahmed.
2345 hours, Indian Forward Post, Between Bhuttelwala and International border
The sky was clear and the stars were twinkling, Naik Subedar singh couldn’t help compare the stars to her wife’s eyes! “Oh, how much I miss her.” He thought. In the mean time Sepoy Karma and Jeevan were watching the border with Night vision goggles, when all of a sudden Jeevan quietly put his hand on Subedar’s shoulder, Subedar looked to Jeevan as he handed his goggles to him. Subedar looked though the goggles and immediately picked the encrypted Motorola long range radio, “Alpha 1 to Charlie, I’ve got moment of heavy armor from Islamgarh. Reading multiple infrared signatures moving at about 25 clicks.”
Operator at mobile command centre immediately handed the receiver to Lt. General Prakaram. The General replied, “I have similar sighting from Beta 3 at Sarkari tala and Gamma 2 from Kishangarh. You stay put and watch their movements. I need numbers and estimate of their strength. Questions?”
Subedar singh replied, “Understood sir, over and out.”
2346 hours, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps.
General Prakaram immediately switched to corps wide frequency on the com set, “All units, looks like tonight is the night. We have confirmations from our forward spotters. Get everybody out and ready. You are free to fire as soon as the forward units positively identify that they have crossed the border.”
2347 Hours, 3 KMs south east of Village of Bhuttelwala
Brigadier Sher Singh commanding 4 Armd jumped in his command tank as soon as the orders came in. All the systems were already fired up and thanks to recent upgrades and netcentric warfare technology he can see the position of all 60 T-90’s under his command.
Currently all the armour elements were rigged for silent running, and were running on batteries to provide least infrared signatures. In addition, all the tanks were dug in with only guns poking out of the ground.
Brigadier Faulad commanding 340 Mech Bde was already in his command BMP and could see his 60 BMP’s interspersed with tanks from 4 Armd. He shouted in his com unit, “Tonight is our Diwali, let’s make sure we destroy more paki T-80’s then the 4 Armd.”
Brigadier Sher Singh radioed Brigadier Faulad, “Faulad, let’s see what you are made of, the bet is on.”
Brigadier Faulad replied, “You rub my back and I will rub yours. Tell your boys to stick to the plan.”
Day 7 Ends.
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IAF STATION AGRA – EAGLE EYE – 1 X A-50 BARIEV PHALCON -1530 HRS +4 SU 30 MKI
Air commodore Bhaskar checked the 26 inch flat panel overhead display sectioned neatly in to two ,the left showing disposition of India forces on ground likely to be in air shortly once he establishes direct communication links with flight leads as well as individual pilots on two way triple encrypted audio link and the right section showed the disposition of enemy ground and air forces in the area the bottom half showing the various armor columns moving in towards the international border and the top half showed the location of enemy aircraft of combat air patrol and also the location of emitting as well as non emitting radars placed around the moving column The atmosphere inside the cabin was quite and tense in a friendly way with everyone in their respective stations and the only overwhelming sound was the powerful hum of the four powerful engines running in synchronization . The weather was good and so far no clear air turbulence but still everyone had their 5 point safety belts on as a matter of abundant precaution and exigencies of combat which may necessitate sudden evasive maneuvers any time.
-Sir IFF activated –all green –available range 600 km now
-Very good –advice if detection range changes
-Sir main search radar activated – available range 480 km at present altitude –power output set to 85%
-that’s ok what the ground situation you see is
-sir we see clearly more than 600 enemy vehicles approaching international border –distance from border 37 kms and reducing – estimate 400 plus tanks and armor personnel carriers –may be sir we should start launching
-stand by
Com –are we in touch with all units
-Sir we should be in touch in less than 5 minutes – minor problem with sat relay –trying direct VHF link to forward air bases –also trying alternate sat channel –should be ready in few minutes
-Com get me Bikaner first - lets move the first birds out of ground –we are loosing time –also I want the dat link to lohegaon confirmed pronto
Copy that sir – shall do as soon as alternate sat channel is operational .
Air commodore Bhaskar checked the 26 inch flat panel overhead display sectioned neatly in to two ,the left showing disposition of India forces on ground likely to be in air shortly once he establishes direct communication links with flight leads as well as individual pilots on two way triple encrypted audio link and the right section showed the disposition of enemy ground and air forces in the area the bottom half showing the various armor columns moving in towards the international border and the top half showed the location of enemy aircraft of combat air patrol and also the location of emitting as well as non emitting radars placed around the moving column The atmosphere inside the cabin was quite and tense in a friendly way with everyone in their respective stations and the only overwhelming sound was the powerful hum of the four powerful engines running in synchronization . The weather was good and so far no clear air turbulence but still everyone had their 5 point safety belts on as a matter of abundant precaution and exigencies of combat which may necessitate sudden evasive maneuvers any time.
-Sir IFF activated –all green –available range 600 km now
-Very good –advice if detection range changes
-Sir main search radar activated – available range 480 km at present altitude –power output set to 85%
-that’s ok what the ground situation you see is
-sir we see clearly more than 600 enemy vehicles approaching international border –distance from border 37 kms and reducing – estimate 400 plus tanks and armor personnel carriers –may be sir we should start launching
-stand by
Com –are we in touch with all units
-Sir we should be in touch in less than 5 minutes – minor problem with sat relay –trying direct VHF link to forward air bases –also trying alternate sat channel –should be ready in few minutes
-Com get me Bikaner first - lets move the first birds out of ground –we are loosing time –also I want the dat link to lohegaon confirmed pronto
Copy that sir – shall do as soon as alternate sat channel is operational .
Indian AWACS Moving Forward on 2 Fronts
26-May-2009
Israel Aerospace Industries’ Phalcon system is built around an ELTA EL/M-2075 AESA L-band radar, then adds electronic and communications intelligence gathering (ELINT and COMINT) capabilities. The system can also receive transmissions from other air and ground stations, and uses sensor fusion to provide a complete picture of the battlespace out to several hundred kilometers. IAI had already delivered an earlier-model 707-based “Condor” system to Chile, and created a Phalcon variant for Israel and Singapore that fits into a Gulfstream 550 business jet.
India already operates the IL-76 as its strategic transport aircraft and aerial refueling tanker (IL-78), however, and made its decision accordingly. Instead of the front and side structural modifications made to Chile’s Condor and the CAEW G550 Gulfstream jets, India’s Phalcon will use a conventional AWACS radome mounted on top. Because the Elta radar scans in 360 degrees automatically, however, the radome will be fixed rather than rotating.
The Prem PS-90 engines in the upgraded IL-76TD aircraft will make operation in India’s hot climates easier, and the system will reportedly make heavy use of Russian avionics, including a partial glass cockpit.
India was supposed to receive the first A-50I/IL-76TD Phalcon in December 2007, but Uzbekistan’s Tashkent Aircraft Production Organization (TAPO) was late customizing the airframes. India’s first A-50I Phalcon underwent maiden flight tests in November 2007, and again in January and February 2008. Flight certification was to begin in May 2008, with first delivery set for September 2008; but first delivery ended up taking place in Q2 2009. All 3 aircraft have been promised by the end 2010, but it’s possible that final delivery might not occur until 2011.
Final delivery overall will be extended even longer. In April 2008, India reportedly picked up the option for 3 more IL-76 Phalcon AWACS aircraft, in a deal worth up to $2 billion. Jane’s Defence Weekly issued a concurring report later in the week, but placed the deal’s value at $1 billion. Assuming that the equipment sets are the same and inflation is 3% per year, note that repeating 2004’s $1.5 billion deal works out to about $1.7 billion by 2008. Delivery of these 3 additional planes would be expected to take place in 2011-12.
The IL-76 Phalcons are part of an emerging architecture for India’s air force, which include the Operational Data Link (ODL), the Integrated Air Command and Control System (IACCS), and Air Force Net (AFNET).
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IAF STATION NAL - BIKANER – RAJASTAN – 1530 HRS- 32XMIG 27-DESSERT RAT FLIGHT (DELTA SIERRA CALL SIGN)
Air commodore Sinha lost his cool for the nth time this afternoon ..The 8 mig 29s were lined up and starting engine but 3 of the Mig 27s were still being fuelled as rest of the 32 aircraft flogger flight slowly inched out of the individual hard shelters and positioned themselves on the taxi way entry .He lloked at the young squadron leaders on in the tower and felt apprehensive .For most of them it will be a first ever combat mission and that included those already strapped inside the swing wing birds now waiting for launch clearance form him on the hot tarmac
The directive from air battle commander on board phalcon have just come in and he nodded to the wing commander in charge of tarmac and runway traffic control .The last of the trucks and jeeps have moved out of the taxi way and the loaded to gill floggers with their wings spread out to full 22 degree just waited ,burning hundreds of liters of precious fuel
- delta sierra flight –tower – confirm ready
- tower –delta sierra lead –flight ready in 5 minutes – fuelling just complete
- copy that delta sierra lead- start roll out into taxi way zulu orange bravo to runway 24 and await take off clearance
- tower –delta sierra lead- commencing roll out on taxi way zulu orange bravo to hammer head –contact for take off clearance when in position rolling now
- delta sierra lead –taxi speed restricted to 39 km/hr – taxi in single file –minimum separation 30 meter –over
- tower –copy that – max speed 39kmph-minimum separation 30 meters –over
Group captain Nagappa grimaced inside his face mask at the last bit of unnecessary instruction from the tower no doubt prompted by the over cautious base commander as he did the final adjustment of oxygen demand valve, and could breathe evenly. As he slowly moved into taxi way he also clicked on the navigation lights to let his team mates know it is now action time
At the restricted taxi speed it took almost 8 minutes to reach the main runway 24 hammer head and behind him the line of all 32 mig 27s stretched almost a kilometer their hot exhausts shinning in the dessert sky.
-Tower –delta sierra lead –in position –request take off clearance
Stand by – delta sierra lead – eagle eye has control
A few second delays and the voice of the air battle commander came over the tactical air net
- Delta sierra lead –eagle eye – I have control
-copy that eagle eye –dessert sierra lead concurs ,said Nagappa not at all comfortable with the idea of some one hundreds of kilometer away controlling his take off sequence from a forward air base in a dessert
- delta sierra flight – cleared for immediate take off – paired take off allowed – 3 minutes interval – fly runway heading to 150 meters – turn to 010-contact eagle eye when in new heading –over
- eagle eye –delta sierra – moving into take off position –going for paired take off at 3 min interval –fly runway heading to 150 meters –turn to 010 and contact eagle eye for target /ingress vector –over
Nagappas practiced eye scanned the horizon and the empty sky ,as he released the brake and increased power the loaded jet trembled a little on its suspension before putting its nose down a bit and then started rolling forward and into the main runway 24 – an unbroken stretch of 9000 ft of concrete .Pre take off check list – wings set to 22 degree –hydraulics normal-auxiliary hydraulics pressure normal-parking brake off –main brake on - weapons on green – head up display contrast setting to near maximum –SAR standby – comm. Frequency set to phalcon-secondary com frequency to base tower
His wing mate an young F/L (Sunil) looked at him and Nagappa nodded and blinked his navigation light and moved forward to pushed the engine power to maximum and as the vibration increased and the flogger put its nose down he released the main brake and in the same motion moved the power lever past the reheat gat to full after burning thrust .The mule kicked him almost immediately and the air speed indicator started rolling upwards like a maniac quickly taking him past the VI threshold and into commit speed – rotate and the nose came up sluggishly at first then more easily as the air speed built up –under carriage came up as he slapped the lever and locked with a re assuring thud –level off at 150 meters – indiacted air speed 350 kmph- level out and reset wings lever to 45 degree – power reduced to 90% max military power
-slow bank to starboard to new heading 010 – contact phalcon
-eagle eye –delta sierra – 150 meters – 010 – request target and ingress vector
-stand by – delta sierra lead – let rest form up-maintain present course and speed – vectors in 0 5 minutes
Air commodore Sinha lost his cool for the nth time this afternoon ..The 8 mig 29s were lined up and starting engine but 3 of the Mig 27s were still being fuelled as rest of the 32 aircraft flogger flight slowly inched out of the individual hard shelters and positioned themselves on the taxi way entry .He lloked at the young squadron leaders on in the tower and felt apprehensive .For most of them it will be a first ever combat mission and that included those already strapped inside the swing wing birds now waiting for launch clearance form him on the hot tarmac
The directive from air battle commander on board phalcon have just come in and he nodded to the wing commander in charge of tarmac and runway traffic control .The last of the trucks and jeeps have moved out of the taxi way and the loaded to gill floggers with their wings spread out to full 22 degree just waited ,burning hundreds of liters of precious fuel
- delta sierra flight –tower – confirm ready
- tower –delta sierra lead –flight ready in 5 minutes – fuelling just complete
- copy that delta sierra lead- start roll out into taxi way zulu orange bravo to runway 24 and await take off clearance
- tower –delta sierra lead- commencing roll out on taxi way zulu orange bravo to hammer head –contact for take off clearance when in position rolling now
- delta sierra lead –taxi speed restricted to 39 km/hr – taxi in single file –minimum separation 30 meter –over
- tower –copy that – max speed 39kmph-minimum separation 30 meters –over
Group captain Nagappa grimaced inside his face mask at the last bit of unnecessary instruction from the tower no doubt prompted by the over cautious base commander as he did the final adjustment of oxygen demand valve, and could breathe evenly. As he slowly moved into taxi way he also clicked on the navigation lights to let his team mates know it is now action time
At the restricted taxi speed it took almost 8 minutes to reach the main runway 24 hammer head and behind him the line of all 32 mig 27s stretched almost a kilometer their hot exhausts shinning in the dessert sky.
-Tower –delta sierra lead –in position –request take off clearance
Stand by – delta sierra lead – eagle eye has control
A few second delays and the voice of the air battle commander came over the tactical air net
- Delta sierra lead –eagle eye – I have control
-copy that eagle eye –dessert sierra lead concurs ,said Nagappa not at all comfortable with the idea of some one hundreds of kilometer away controlling his take off sequence from a forward air base in a dessert
- delta sierra flight – cleared for immediate take off – paired take off allowed – 3 minutes interval – fly runway heading to 150 meters – turn to 010-contact eagle eye when in new heading –over
- eagle eye –delta sierra – moving into take off position –going for paired take off at 3 min interval –fly runway heading to 150 meters –turn to 010 and contact eagle eye for target /ingress vector –over
Nagappas practiced eye scanned the horizon and the empty sky ,as he released the brake and increased power the loaded jet trembled a little on its suspension before putting its nose down a bit and then started rolling forward and into the main runway 24 – an unbroken stretch of 9000 ft of concrete .Pre take off check list – wings set to 22 degree –hydraulics normal-auxiliary hydraulics pressure normal-parking brake off –main brake on - weapons on green – head up display contrast setting to near maximum –SAR standby – comm. Frequency set to phalcon-secondary com frequency to base tower
His wing mate an young F/L (Sunil) looked at him and Nagappa nodded and blinked his navigation light and moved forward to pushed the engine power to maximum and as the vibration increased and the flogger put its nose down he released the main brake and in the same motion moved the power lever past the reheat gat to full after burning thrust .The mule kicked him almost immediately and the air speed indicator started rolling upwards like a maniac quickly taking him past the VI threshold and into commit speed – rotate and the nose came up sluggishly at first then more easily as the air speed built up –under carriage came up as he slapped the lever and locked with a re assuring thud –level off at 150 meters – indiacted air speed 350 kmph- level out and reset wings lever to 45 degree – power reduced to 90% max military power
-slow bank to starboard to new heading 010 – contact phalcon
-eagle eye –delta sierra – 150 meters – 010 – request target and ingress vector
-stand by – delta sierra lead – let rest form up-maintain present course and speed – vectors in 0 5 minutes
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shankar paaji why not a tactical nuclear strike on paki tank for paki tank fry for Sher sing and faulad .... it can be done inside our borders as the theatre is desserts of rajsthan
-sir we see clearly more than 600 enemy vehicles approaching international border
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we have a declared no first use policy and then we dont need a nuke to stop the roll back of pak armor - each su 30 carry 8 tons of high explossive each mig 27 close to 4 tons multiply by the number being deployed and you have the answer - that is the whole point in having a large air force -that gives you the option of strike mode - nukes are for friends from east mainly
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Paging Mr. Vivek Ahuja
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SOMEWHERE NEAR IB – EAGLE EYE – 1 X A-50 BARIEV PHALCON -1500 HRS +4 SU 30 MKI
Air commodore Bhaskar scanned the SAR display . The Pakistani tanks have speeded up and it looked they are being committed for a massive swift strike aimed at Jaisalmer . The vehicles were arranged in a front almost 40 km across and arranged in a rough semi circle on the dessert floor.The tail consisting of mainly water and fuel tankers were getting left behind as the front elements pushed up their speed close to 50 kmph. It was time to act and a time to decide fast .He took the last sip of almost cold tea and then clicked into the air force tactical net
- eagle eye one to delta sierra flight –do you read –
- read you five five eagle eye – await target vector and details
- delta sierra –eagle eye one – we see 400 plus tanks type tango eight zero possibly heading straight for Jjaisalmer – your approach vector is 035 – 100 meters –distance to target 63 km – you are weapons free on all targets – one pass only-over
- copy that eagle eye – chanfing course to 035 -100 meters approach altitude- distance to target 63 km – radar still on stand by
- that is correct delta sierra lead – we see about 14 sam type emission –but that is not your concern – being dealth with separately – contact when in weapon release zone – do not go active till then –over
Bhaskar minimized the in gressing Mig 27 s and enlarged the flight of six Mig 29k s quickly coming in from Pathankot expressly for the purpose of taking out the ground defense radars
- blinder lead – eagle eye one –do you copy
- affirmative eagle one came the calm voice of naval aviator now on depuation to IAF with IAF
- blinder lead we have multiple targets for you – target details being uploaded now-data link frequency ---- Ghz – confirm when received ok
- stand by eagle one –data link established – down loading
- eagle eye – target data received –
- blinder flight – you are weapons free in 5 minutes over bandit country – take out the damn radars quickly before some of the floggers get blown off
- no worry sir – attacking in 4 minutes
The six fulcrums pivoted on their wings ,engaged afterburner and aimed straight for the mass of Pakistani armor now less than 30 km from international border .At 8 000 meter they were a tempting target and every Pakistani radar worth their Islamic salt lit up like a Christmas tree aiming for the half a dozen twin tailed fulcrums arrowing straight at them
Eagle eye –blinder lead – we have 14 separate target locked in – releasing weapon now
- Copy that blinder lead –eagle eye concurs
Each of the Mig 29k S launched 4 Kkh 31 P s roughly 1.6 missile per target .The Pakistani gunners and missile men quickly realized the trap and switched of the emission but it was almost two late . The location of the radars were already down loaded on the robotic brain of the supersonic land attack missiles and one by one they slammed into the mobile radar units taking them out in blinding flash .
- good work –blinder flight – standby for add on support to floggers – should be in target are any time
-copy that eagle eye – blinder flight on standby patrol -15 km east of target – over
- delta sierra –eagle eye – road is clear –repeat road is clear – you are weapons free – one pass only – over
-eagle eye – delta sierra lead – going in for the kill
DESSERT RAT FLIGHT –CROSSING IB -1600 HOURS 32XMIG 27
The floggers came in low and they came in fast .With wings fully tucked in at 72 degree and nose pointing slightly downwards they quickly spotted the target spread on the clear dessert floor. The flight divide up in to 8 groups and started circling the enemy armor at different points in the compass and then suddenly the first group led by Nagappa nosed down and dived with the 81 mm rockets blazing out in salvo at the anti aircraft guns that encircled the individual tank squadrons blowing them up like cheap tin cans and flashing out of the range so quick that even the best of Pakistani army gunners stood looking out with awe .Then the training took over and they quickly aimed over open sights but did not know which of the circling groups to target as the second group broke free out of one the eight moving circles and flew straight in dropping a wake of cluster bombs in thier wake and then the third group broke free and came in with their devastating six barrel cannons blazing in anger .
The was no escape and they could hardly fight back as one after another strike groups came in attacked with everything they had in a display of controlled fury and Pakistani massed armor wilted as the attack continued . Each flight group made only one pass and then joined together for a fast exit leaving behind a mauled and shocked enemy formation .
The Pakistani commander quickly took stock .Almost 40% of their lead tanks were destroyed and most of their vehicles but still had close to 200 plus T-80 and they pressed home with their attack without caring for the mass of dead and injured lying all around
But IAF was not done with them yet .
Air commodore Bhaskar scanned the SAR display . The Pakistani tanks have speeded up and it looked they are being committed for a massive swift strike aimed at Jaisalmer . The vehicles were arranged in a front almost 40 km across and arranged in a rough semi circle on the dessert floor.The tail consisting of mainly water and fuel tankers were getting left behind as the front elements pushed up their speed close to 50 kmph. It was time to act and a time to decide fast .He took the last sip of almost cold tea and then clicked into the air force tactical net
- eagle eye one to delta sierra flight –do you read –
- read you five five eagle eye – await target vector and details
- delta sierra –eagle eye one – we see 400 plus tanks type tango eight zero possibly heading straight for Jjaisalmer – your approach vector is 035 – 100 meters –distance to target 63 km – you are weapons free on all targets – one pass only-over
- copy that eagle eye – chanfing course to 035 -100 meters approach altitude- distance to target 63 km – radar still on stand by
- that is correct delta sierra lead – we see about 14 sam type emission –but that is not your concern – being dealth with separately – contact when in weapon release zone – do not go active till then –over
Bhaskar minimized the in gressing Mig 27 s and enlarged the flight of six Mig 29k s quickly coming in from Pathankot expressly for the purpose of taking out the ground defense radars
- blinder lead – eagle eye one –do you copy
- affirmative eagle one came the calm voice of naval aviator now on depuation to IAF with IAF
- blinder lead we have multiple targets for you – target details being uploaded now-data link frequency ---- Ghz – confirm when received ok
- stand by eagle one –data link established – down loading
- eagle eye – target data received –
- blinder flight – you are weapons free in 5 minutes over bandit country – take out the damn radars quickly before some of the floggers get blown off
- no worry sir – attacking in 4 minutes
The six fulcrums pivoted on their wings ,engaged afterburner and aimed straight for the mass of Pakistani armor now less than 30 km from international border .At 8 000 meter they were a tempting target and every Pakistani radar worth their Islamic salt lit up like a Christmas tree aiming for the half a dozen twin tailed fulcrums arrowing straight at them
Eagle eye –blinder lead – we have 14 separate target locked in – releasing weapon now
- Copy that blinder lead –eagle eye concurs
Each of the Mig 29k S launched 4 Kkh 31 P s roughly 1.6 missile per target .The Pakistani gunners and missile men quickly realized the trap and switched of the emission but it was almost two late . The location of the radars were already down loaded on the robotic brain of the supersonic land attack missiles and one by one they slammed into the mobile radar units taking them out in blinding flash .
- good work –blinder flight – standby for add on support to floggers – should be in target are any time
-copy that eagle eye – blinder flight on standby patrol -15 km east of target – over
- delta sierra –eagle eye – road is clear –repeat road is clear – you are weapons free – one pass only – over
-eagle eye – delta sierra lead – going in for the kill
DESSERT RAT FLIGHT –CROSSING IB -1600 HOURS 32XMIG 27
The floggers came in low and they came in fast .With wings fully tucked in at 72 degree and nose pointing slightly downwards they quickly spotted the target spread on the clear dessert floor. The flight divide up in to 8 groups and started circling the enemy armor at different points in the compass and then suddenly the first group led by Nagappa nosed down and dived with the 81 mm rockets blazing out in salvo at the anti aircraft guns that encircled the individual tank squadrons blowing them up like cheap tin cans and flashing out of the range so quick that even the best of Pakistani army gunners stood looking out with awe .Then the training took over and they quickly aimed over open sights but did not know which of the circling groups to target as the second group broke free out of one the eight moving circles and flew straight in dropping a wake of cluster bombs in thier wake and then the third group broke free and came in with their devastating six barrel cannons blazing in anger .
The was no escape and they could hardly fight back as one after another strike groups came in attacked with everything they had in a display of controlled fury and Pakistani massed armor wilted as the attack continued . Each flight group made only one pass and then joined together for a fast exit leaving behind a mauled and shocked enemy formation .
The Pakistani commander quickly took stock .Almost 40% of their lead tanks were destroyed and most of their vehicles but still had close to 200 plus T-80 and they pressed home with their attack without caring for the mass of dead and injured lying all around
But IAF was not done with them yet .
India upgrades MiG-27 to sharpen strike capability
NEW DELHI, Jan 7: India is upgrading its MiG-27 fighters to sharpen their strike capabilities, officials said on Wednesday, even as experts say the recent Mumbai attacks have exposed the country’s need to modernise its defence forces.
Although the upgrade was planned well ahead of the attacks, officials said the defence ministry wanted to speed up modernisation of its forces to tackle any future security threat.
India is spending $92 million to develop the fighters with precise navigational equipment, better weapons aiming and accurate ranging sensors for hitting ground targets.
“The hardware and avionics bit has already been fitted into 40 fighters, and the software is being loaded now,” said Suranjan Pal, a senior official of the Defence Research and Development Organisation.
With the upgrading, the MiG fighters would last for another 10 years and have autopilot and auto weapon delivery facilities, a senior Indian Air Force official said.
India is looking to spend $30 billion on imports over the next five years to modernise its largely Soviet-era arms and is also trying to strengthen its navy by introducing new weapons systems.
The MiG-27 aircraft was originally built in the former Soviet Union in the mid-1970s before it was licensed to be produced in India.
The run-in by three Mig-27 ML with BL-755 cluster bombs against simulated troops in an open area in a ‘lay-down attack’ (LDA) was spectacular to witness but for troops spread over a vast area on ground, can only spell doom. Each BL-755 container comprises seven compartments containing 21 bomblets each making a total of 147 bomblets in all. After the bomb has been released from the aircraft, the 147 bomblets are ejected and fall to the ground, covering a wide area. In addition, the casing of the bomblet disintegrates and hundreds of fragments of shrapnel are dispersed over a wide area, with resultant damage to personnel and soft- skinned vehicles.
In a maiden appearance of sorts at any FPD, it was now the turn of the Mig-27 upgrade, an entirely indigenous project undertaken by the DRDO and HAL, transforming it into a formidable strike platform of the IAF, to show its mettle. And the two Mig-27 upgrade fighters just did it with aplomb dropping four 1,000-lbs bombs at a POL dump accurately that went up in flames almost instantly. Two other Mig-27 upgraded fighters then followed it up with their distinct staccato of the salvo rounds fired from their front guns that blazed a smoke trail upon the simulated enemy convoy on ground.
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BL-755 away, run! ye Paki run!
sorry could not resist.
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Death and destruction shankarosky styleShankar wrote: But IAF was not done with them yet .
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SOMEWHERE NEAR IB – EAGLE EYE – 1 X A-50 BARIEV PHALCON -HRS +4 SU 30 MKI-1615
Air commodore Bhaskar looked at the preliminary battle damage assessment on the screen and felt comfortable but not happy .The murderous flogger strike have achieved the primary objective of stopping the Pakistani armor advance on its track but now they have changed tactics .Instead of one large formation they are splitting up into small squadrons and trying to encircle the jaisalmer town and the army bases and friendly armor formations in the outskirts .Once the Indian armor advances and engages then the mix up will not allow decisive strike by the strike formation and even out the advantage IAF is having at the moment
They needed to be stopped as quickly as possible ,the Indian armor need to roll back a little if required and the main strike flight of sukhois need to speed up with their bomb load –it called for lot of quick and precise co ordination
He clicked on the intercom and started issuing quick orders and his team converted that too into precise operational directives all on real time ,for the first time the full potential of the Phalcon system was being put to use
- what we have ready in jaisalmer
- sir we have 24 plus Mig 27s ready on the ramp
- launch them now – break them in 6 flights – let them attack on a 180 degree front –that should stop the Pakistani armor for the time being
- what is lohegaon status
- sir they are taxing out the flanker
- tell them to hurry – we don’t have whole day –they should use intercept speed to target zone and then contact us for target vector
- sir we have jaisalmer base commander on line
- hot top –eagle eye – we have a situation – start rolling your birds – 4 at a time –to contact after take off at frequency ---- over
- eagle eye –hot top one –message understood –launching all birds at 30 sec interval –six flights –all 27s –over
- sir lohegaon CO on line
- morning sir – eagle eye one – enemy armor spreading out –need those flankers as of yesterday – can you rush the launch please
- copy that eagle one – rhino 1 concurs – launching now – they will contact you once in air
- what happened to the t-90 walla at jaisalmer
- sir the sat link not working –solar wind maybe
- damn it – try VHF to base –tell them to patch onto army net – and while at it also fax the latest SAR photos to them –oh one more cup of tea please –make it hot
- sir the tank brigade commader is on line
- sir this is eagle one – strike mission have commenced – second wave being launched now – do not engage the enemy now –repeat do not engage the enemy now –roll back if required – large attack under way –over
- air commodore –could you elaborate please –over
- negative general – but you will see in 30 minutes with your binos –please keep clear and don’t engage enemy for next 2 hours –over
- message understood – good luck –over
Air commodore Bhaskar looked at the preliminary battle damage assessment on the screen and felt comfortable but not happy .The murderous flogger strike have achieved the primary objective of stopping the Pakistani armor advance on its track but now they have changed tactics .Instead of one large formation they are splitting up into small squadrons and trying to encircle the jaisalmer town and the army bases and friendly armor formations in the outskirts .Once the Indian armor advances and engages then the mix up will not allow decisive strike by the strike formation and even out the advantage IAF is having at the moment
They needed to be stopped as quickly as possible ,the Indian armor need to roll back a little if required and the main strike flight of sukhois need to speed up with their bomb load –it called for lot of quick and precise co ordination
He clicked on the intercom and started issuing quick orders and his team converted that too into precise operational directives all on real time ,for the first time the full potential of the Phalcon system was being put to use
- what we have ready in jaisalmer
- sir we have 24 plus Mig 27s ready on the ramp
- launch them now – break them in 6 flights – let them attack on a 180 degree front –that should stop the Pakistani armor for the time being
- what is lohegaon status
- sir they are taxing out the flanker
- tell them to hurry – we don’t have whole day –they should use intercept speed to target zone and then contact us for target vector
- sir we have jaisalmer base commander on line
- hot top –eagle eye – we have a situation – start rolling your birds – 4 at a time –to contact after take off at frequency ---- over
- eagle eye –hot top one –message understood –launching all birds at 30 sec interval –six flights –all 27s –over
- sir lohegaon CO on line
- morning sir – eagle eye one – enemy armor spreading out –need those flankers as of yesterday – can you rush the launch please
- copy that eagle one – rhino 1 concurs – launching now – they will contact you once in air
- what happened to the t-90 walla at jaisalmer
- sir the sat link not working –solar wind maybe
- damn it – try VHF to base –tell them to patch onto army net – and while at it also fax the latest SAR photos to them –oh one more cup of tea please –make it hot
- sir the tank brigade commader is on line
- sir this is eagle one – strike mission have commenced – second wave being launched now – do not engage the enemy now –repeat do not engage the enemy now –roll back if required – large attack under way –over
- air commodore –could you elaborate please –over
- negative general – but you will see in 30 minutes with your binos –please keep clear and don’t engage enemy for next 2 hours –over
- message understood – good luck –over
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shankar saar always loved your narration
let them meet their 72 really fast ...we would not like them keeping their 72 waiting
let them meet their 72 really fast ...we would not like them keeping their 72 waiting
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Vivek Saar, Where are you ?? 
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IAF STATION LOHEGAON –PUNE -1617 HOURS – 84 XSU-30MKI
It was a mess in the civilian terminal as all incoming flights were diverted without notice to Mumbai and Nagpur and all outgoing flights cancelled. Four squadrons of sukhois were out in the open may be for the first time in the history of the base as they lined up on all the taxi ways leading to the main as well as auxiliary runway .Air force police gypsies patrolled the perimeter road and senior air traffic controllers were at the tower along with off duty pilots helping them out to control the air traffic moving on ground . The whole base defense was on maximum alert and the pilots were briefed to switch on the IFF positively before commencing taxi run
Air commodore Chauhan was worried person as he watched over the mass of flankers fully loaded with bombs and missiles taxing out of the parking ramps and linning up on the taxi way . A strong wind was blowing in from the north west which was good as the heavily loaded birds will find it easy to take off against the wind .He was taking in the second of the six strike groups each having close to a dozen flankers with a wide weapon mix but mostly FAB 500 bombs and R-73 missiles .Only two aircrafts per flight was dressed up in full air to air mode that is 6 R-77 and 6 R-73 israeli broad band ECM pods.
First pair of flankers took off in formation quickly followed by another two all of which were armed with air to air ordanance and then the air to ground type started taking off one at a time alternately form the two runways and headed straight out north west over the industrial town of sanaswadi and along the course of Mutha river to Aurangabad and beyond
It took time and by the time his call up came in over R/T already 8 minutes have gone .the plan was to be over target at 5 minute interval which meant he will have to use the afterburner for some more time to ground separation within planned limits
It was a mess in the civilian terminal as all incoming flights were diverted without notice to Mumbai and Nagpur and all outgoing flights cancelled. Four squadrons of sukhois were out in the open may be for the first time in the history of the base as they lined up on all the taxi ways leading to the main as well as auxiliary runway .Air force police gypsies patrolled the perimeter road and senior air traffic controllers were at the tower along with off duty pilots helping them out to control the air traffic moving on ground . The whole base defense was on maximum alert and the pilots were briefed to switch on the IFF positively before commencing taxi run
Air commodore Chauhan was worried person as he watched over the mass of flankers fully loaded with bombs and missiles taxing out of the parking ramps and linning up on the taxi way . A strong wind was blowing in from the north west which was good as the heavily loaded birds will find it easy to take off against the wind .He was taking in the second of the six strike groups each having close to a dozen flankers with a wide weapon mix but mostly FAB 500 bombs and R-73 missiles .Only two aircrafts per flight was dressed up in full air to air mode that is 6 R-77 and 6 R-73 israeli broad band ECM pods.
First pair of flankers took off in formation quickly followed by another two all of which were armed with air to air ordanance and then the air to ground type started taking off one at a time alternately form the two runways and headed straight out north west over the industrial town of sanaswadi and along the course of Mutha river to Aurangabad and beyond
It took time and by the time his call up came in over R/T already 8 minutes have gone .the plan was to be over target at 5 minute interval which meant he will have to use the afterburner for some more time to ground separation within planned limits
The huge Su30's airframe is constructed from advanced lightweight aluminium lithium alloys, making it light for its size. The wing is designed using an ogival shape and wingroot extension. The wing has a 42 degrees leading edge sweep with full span leading edge slats and trailing edge flaperons. The flaperons combine the functions of conventional flaps and ailerons and move in unison as flaps to provide lift and drag. They move out of unison to function as ailerons.
The engines of the Su-27 are two AL31F turbofan engines designed by A.M. Lyul'la, the MMZ Saturn General Designer. These engines are deemed highly economical and is rated at 12500 kg static thrust in afterburner and at 7600 kg in military power. The AL31F engine has been proven to be reliable, robust, and maintainable. When tested in severely disturbed airflow, and in extreme conditions, the engine performed effectively. That is why maneuvers like the tail-slide and the Cobra are possible.
When the aircraft is in flight, the pilot has many options at his fingertips. He won't enter into any fatal spins or pull too many G's because of the highly sophisticated quadruplex fly-by-wire remote control system (designated EDSU by Russians) with built-in angle of attack and G limiters. The pilot has a sophisticated weapons control system using a RLPK27 coherent pulse-Doppler jam proof radar with track while scan and look-down shoot-down capabilities. The radar detection range is 240 km, and it can simultaneously track up to 10 targets at 185 km away. The pilot can simultaneously fire missiles at two targets. In case of radar failure, the pilot is backed up by a 36sh electro-optical system designed by Geophysica NPO. The electro-optical system contains a laser range finder (which has a range of 8km) and Infrared Search and Track system (which as a range of 50km). The electro-optical system can be attached to the pilot's helmet mounted target designator to allow the pilot to target by moving his head.
The Su-27 made its formal introduction to the West at the 1989 Paris Air Show, when Viktor Pugachev ran the aircraft through the now-famous "Cobra" maneuver, lifting the fighter to an angle of attack of over 90 degrees to its line of flight, causing abrupt deceleration until it nosed back down. The Cobra maneuver was apparently invented by another Sukhoi test pilot, Valerii Menitsky, as a flight-test exercise, but it became associated with Pugachev, it seems with his encouragement, and is also often called the "Pugachev maneuver" or "Pugachev Cobra". Few aviation experts believe that the Cobra maneuver has much combat utility, but it is undeniably a spectacular airshow trick.
It still shocked Western observers, since there were few or no Western aircraft that could perform the Cobra maneuver, and even though it may have been nothing more than a stunt, it demonstrated that the Su-27 was remarkably agile and very strongly built. However, observers noted that an Su-27 fully loaded for combat operations would not have anywhere near such capabilities, and is likely not all that capable as a close-in dogfighter, unsurprising for a big aircraft designed as a long-range interceptor.
The Su-27's agility is still impressive given its size, all the more so because the Su-27 is not a "dynamically unstable" design. Western designers have chosen to build maneuverable aircraft by designing them to be aerodynamically unstable, and then using advanced control systems to keep them in the air. Russian designers, preferring reliability and with less access to sophisticated avionics systems, opted for building a stable design and tweaking it for maximum maneuverability.
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beginning of the END 
...shankar saar you are just great
nitesh i beat you
...shankar saar you are just great nitesh i beat you
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Third eye openedShankar wrote:IAF STATION LOHEGAON –PUNE -1617 HOURS – 84 XSU-30MKI
run pukis run................ but will they! they are desperate to meet there 72's
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chiru wrote:beginning of the END
nitesh i beat you
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Hi Shankar,
I am very much enjoying your scenario as I am enjoying the other scenarios. Just hope they somehow materialize!!!
Just have a question.
Is there no way in your scenario the Pakis will be able to give their major armored thrust any air cover??
Will Pakistan do the mistake of not having adequate Air cover to their armor thrust twice?? The first time being in Longowala.
Raghu.
I am very much enjoying your scenario as I am enjoying the other scenarios. Just hope they somehow materialize!!!
Just have a question.
Is there no way in your scenario the Pakis will be able to give their major armored thrust any air cover??
Will Pakistan do the mistake of not having adequate Air cover to their armor thrust twice?? The first time being in Longowala.
Raghu.
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a valid question but as of now the PAF is in no position to give any effective air cover .they have 28 odd f-16 s which are good but will not last in air for long for want of spares etc like it happened in kargilJust have a question.
Is there no way in your scenario the Pakis will be able to give their major armored thrust any air cover??
Will Pakistan do the mistake of not having adequate Air cover to their armor thrust twice?? The first time being in Longowala.
Raghu.
secondly the IAF numerical superiority in air dominance /air superiority fighters is overwhelming -tell me what can stop a strike flight of 80 odd su-30 mki anywhere in pakistani air space supported by 2/3 phalcons . Our leaders dont have the ba--- is a diffrent matter but just suppose after 26/11 we would have taken out all the terror camps in pok and may be waziristan and swat what PAF could have put up in air to stop us
nothing
IAF is still a very powerful force project system - it is sad our elected leaders dont understand this -busy as they are always with protecting their own fat dirty back side and taking commission
Just out present day Su-30 can take on the entire PAF if correctly deployed (5 squadron) leaving the 27/29 jags /mirages to destroy the entire military infrastructure im a matter of weeks just like us did in iraq
PAK may or may not use nukes as long as their teritory is not taken and we have no interest in that damned territory-what we shall do with that fanatical improvised illiterate population any way
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I am back after a long time on the forum. I am enjoying every bit it.Shankar wrote:a valid question but as of now the PAF is in no position to give any effective air cover .they have 28 odd f-16 s which are good but will not last in air for long for want of spares etc like it happened in kargilJust have a question.
Is there no way in your scenario the Pakis will be able to give their major armored thrust any air cover??
Will Pakistan do the mistake of not having adequate Air cover to their armor thrust twice?? The first time being in Longowala.
Raghu.
secondly the IAF numerical superiority in air dominance /air superiority fighters is overwhelming -tell me what can stop a strike flight of 80 odd su-30 mki anywhere in pakistani air space supported by 2/3 phalcons . Our leaders dont have the ba--- is a diffrent matter but just suppose after 26/11 we would have taken out all the terror camps in pok and may be waziristan and swat what PAF could have put up in air to stop us
nothing
IAF is still a very powerful force project system - it is sad our elected leaders dont understand this -busy as they are always with protecting their own fat dirty back side and taking commission
Just out present day Su-30 can take on the entire PAF if correctly deployed (5 squadron) leaving the 27/29 jags /mirages to destroy the entire military infrastructure im a matter of weeks just like us did in iraq
PAK may or may not use nukes as long as their teritory is not taken and we have no interest in that damned territory-what we shall do with that fanatical improvised illiterate population any way
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Kicka** Shankarda...
Ahuja saab, I was thinking that yours was only a sabbatical, but it is turning into a retirement...
whats up??
Ahuja saab, I was thinking that yours was only a sabbatical, but it is turning into a retirement...
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SOMEWHERE NEAR IB – EAGLE EYE – 1 X A-50 BARIEV PHALCON -HRS +4 SU 30 MKI-1630 HOURS
Air commodore Bhaskar looked the master display and popped a couple of disparin with luke warm coffee. This is one thing he accepted as part of profession .Staring at the high resolution display always managed to make his head a painful place.
- are all the flankers in air
- yes sir
- ok get them to the target from south west at 5minutes interval between each flight and exit east straight to international border .let them maintain 7000 meters all through out ,I don’t want them tangle with the 27s taking off from jaisalmer
- what is with the floggers – why delay in take off
- sir –runway obstruction – a flock of migratory birds on take off path
- damn the birds – tell them to rush –please ,thundered air commodore Bhaskar
- sir we see a flight of 12 Mirages taking off from Sargodha and another six may be falcons taxing into take off position
- divert the four of the flanker escorts to Sargodha and all the mig 29s ,what is 29 fuel status
- sir they can make it but just barely
- ok let them take the first shot followed by the flankers
- delta sierra flight –eagle eye –come to heading 270 –make altitude 7000 meters – over
- eagle eye –delta sierra lead – changing course to 270-altitude 7000 meters –climbing now – do we have permission to go full active
- roger that delta sierra lead you can go active full power – activate d link too at this point – authorization code orange sky blue dragon – frequency --- ghz –over
- activating d link –code entered – d link active – downloading mission update now –over
- eagle eye – jaisalmer one – launching 27s now –total 23 –one bird hit –pilot safe –aircraft back on base – flight call alpha strike one through six –over
- alpha strike lead-eagle eye – do you copy
- eagle eye –alpha strike lead –copy loud and clear – altitude 100 meters –course 270
- alpha strike –eagle eye your target vector 236 –distance to target 74 km – target typefuel and water tanks in small groups – you are allowed one pass only – exit quickly –never exceed 2000 meters during exit – flankers on the way too –over
- copy that eagle eye –changing course to 236 –maintain present altitude till target zone –avoid tanks –strike fuel browsers and water tankers – over
Air commodore bhaskar now relaxed a bit but not much as the jumbled mass of aircraft on screen separated out and started resembling more of multiple attack formation and he could also see the first signs of enemy air to air resistance taking shape .All in all 24 mirages have managed to take off and six falcons .The IAF mig 29s have responded quickly as they changed course and headed straight for the incoming enemy flight
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Air commodore Bhaskar looked the master display and popped a couple of disparin with luke warm coffee. This is one thing he accepted as part of profession .Staring at the high resolution display always managed to make his head a painful place.
- are all the flankers in air
- yes sir
- ok get them to the target from south west at 5minutes interval between each flight and exit east straight to international border .let them maintain 7000 meters all through out ,I don’t want them tangle with the 27s taking off from jaisalmer
- what is with the floggers – why delay in take off
- sir –runway obstruction – a flock of migratory birds on take off path
- damn the birds – tell them to rush –please ,thundered air commodore Bhaskar
- sir we see a flight of 12 Mirages taking off from Sargodha and another six may be falcons taxing into take off position
- divert the four of the flanker escorts to Sargodha and all the mig 29s ,what is 29 fuel status
- sir they can make it but just barely
- ok let them take the first shot followed by the flankers
- delta sierra flight –eagle eye –come to heading 270 –make altitude 7000 meters – over
- eagle eye –delta sierra lead – changing course to 270-altitude 7000 meters –climbing now – do we have permission to go full active
- roger that delta sierra lead you can go active full power – activate d link too at this point – authorization code orange sky blue dragon – frequency --- ghz –over
- activating d link –code entered – d link active – downloading mission update now –over
- eagle eye – jaisalmer one – launching 27s now –total 23 –one bird hit –pilot safe –aircraft back on base – flight call alpha strike one through six –over
- alpha strike lead-eagle eye – do you copy
- eagle eye –alpha strike lead –copy loud and clear – altitude 100 meters –course 270
- alpha strike –eagle eye your target vector 236 –distance to target 74 km – target typefuel and water tanks in small groups – you are allowed one pass only – exit quickly –never exceed 2000 meters during exit – flankers on the way too –over
- copy that eagle eye –changing course to 236 –maintain present altitude till target zone –avoid tanks –strike fuel browsers and water tankers – over
Air commodore bhaskar now relaxed a bit but not much as the jumbled mass of aircraft on screen separated out and started resembling more of multiple attack formation and he could also see the first signs of enemy air to air resistance taking shape .All in all 24 mirages have managed to take off and six falcons .The IAF mig 29s have responded quickly as they changed course and headed straight for the incoming enemy flight
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII
Shankar garu,
What would the Phalcon actually see and what it cannot. Some details on this would be welcome. and wouldn't it be too much for one Phalcon to control close to 100 aircraft.
Finally, how good an idea it is to commit the Sukhoi strength into battle at one time. Are we depending on the endurance of the sukhoi to take care of surprise/harrasment/diversion attacks in other sectors.
What would the Phalcon actually see and what it cannot. Some details on this would be welcome. and wouldn't it be too much for one Phalcon to control close to 100 aircraft.
Finally, how good an idea it is to commit the Sukhoi strength into battle at one time. Are we depending on the endurance of the sukhoi to take care of surprise/harrasment/diversion attacks in other sectors.
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real capability of phalcon is highly classified but i will assume it can track 100 separate targets quite easily .what it can see well it sees the aircraft both in air and in ground even if it is not moving and far better when it is moving .it most likely will have a data base on all aircraft that will help identify each and every type of enemy aircraft and their capability , range vs payload on real time basis ,tap into all air-ground communication ,send in the relevant infor vide datalink to the flankers .What would the Phalcon actually see and what it cannot. Some details on this would be welcome. and wouldn't it be too much for one Phalcon to control close to 100 aircraft.
with even a single phalcon in air all air space 400 km plus is under observation and a big part of ground space too along with most of the military communication
the phalocn will also get real time feedback on fuel and ammo status of individual indian aircraft and can select and vector a specific aircraft group for particular mission and if required get it out of harms way by plotting out the safest exit route out of battle .
most importantly it can positively identify an enemy aircraft even when a wvr fight is going on because of its active IFF transponder
Finally, how good an idea it is to commit the Sukhoi strength into battle at one time. Are we depending on the endurance of the sukhoi to take care of surprise/harrasment/diversion attacks in other sectors.
Shankar garu,
What would the Phalcon actually see and what it cannot. Some details on this would be welcome. and wouldn't it be too much for one Phalcon to control close to 100 aircraft.
with phalocn in air we can commit all sukhois because there is no surprise that pakistani air force can spring .if a new attack develops all the phalcon commander will do is to redeploy some of the flankers already in air to the new threat or laucnh some new ones from close to attack zone directly from air bypassing the ground controlFinally, how good an idea it is to commit the Sukhoi strength into battle at one time. Are we depending on the endurance of the sukhoi to take care of surprise/harrasment/diversion attacks in other sectors.
with phalcon -the old conventional rules no longer apply -it makes it safer to be daring
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Story Recap
Day 1
Chapter 1: Hunted becomes the hunter
- Peshawar under Siege
Day 2
Chapter 2: The Tiger Awakens
- Peshawar falls
Chapter 3: The Tiger Growls
- Indian PM declares TSP airspace blockade
- Task Forces 1-4 get ready to be deployed
Day 3
Chapter 4: The Tiger shows its teeth,
- Indian Ultimatum results in 16 F-16s crashes
- TSP Missiles commit Fratricide
- TSP’s XXXI corp begins movement
Day 4
- Paki Sub destroyed
- Lt Amit and Lt. Punit on their way to covert operations inside TSP
Day 5 and 6, 7
- Waiting for things to happen
Day 1
Chapter 1: Hunted becomes the hunter
- Peshawar under Siege
Day 2
Chapter 2: The Tiger Awakens
- Peshawar falls
Chapter 3: The Tiger Growls
- Indian PM declares TSP airspace blockade
- Task Forces 1-4 get ready to be deployed
Day 3
Chapter 4: The Tiger shows its teeth,
- Indian Ultimatum results in 16 F-16s crashes
- TSP Missiles commit Fratricide
- TSP’s XXXI corp begins movement
Day 4
- Paki Sub destroyed
- Lt Amit and Lt. Punit on their way to covert operations inside TSP
Day 5 and 6, 7
- Waiting for things to happen
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DAY 8 Begins
0001 Hours, International Border, Road from Islamgarh to Bhuttewala
Colonel Gurez and Jung had crossed the IB. 70 tanks and 50 BMPs from 26th Mechanized were moving in an arc 1 KM long and 4 deep. In Front of the formation were tanks with mine clearing attachments; whereas rear of the formation was made of trucks and other motorized elements of 14th Infantry, with supplies moving at least 5 KMs behind them.
Colonel Gurez radioed Jung, “Jung, I will take 20 tanks in 2 deep formation as soon we reach village of Bhuttewala. After we have surrounded the village, we need to make sure that there is no surveillance equipment or men there. As per plan, your men will take care of that and then we will start moving to the canal.”
0002 HRS, International Border, Road from Islamgarh to Kishangarh
Colonel Raza commanding the 25th Mechanized was ecstatic. He has just crossed the IB without any semblance of resistance. Today he was pretty sure that his Mechanized will completely annihilate Indian 12 infantry.
0003 HRS, International Border, Trail from Islamgarh to Sarkai Tala
35the infantry has just crossed the pillar marking the border and now they were in Indian territory. Colonel Ahmed knew deep in his heart that his division was going to suffer most casualties, but then again that’s the nature of animal called war. He radioed to all units, “This is Alpha 1, be careful now we don’t exactly know where the enemy is! You are free to fire on anything suspicious.”
0112 hours, Village of Bhuttelwala,
Colonel Gurez was really worried now, 14th infantry has successfully secured the village with no resistance in sight. He was itching for a fight, but no fight here means Indians have dug in at the canal, which was not a good scenario. “Now we will have to fight every inch and making a beachhead through canal is not easy as the canal is wide enough to swallow a tank” he said to Jung.
Jung asked “So what’s the plan now?” Gurez replied, “Well let’s make sure our artillery pound them good and then we will attack”
Jung picked up the radio “Gamma 22 to Harry 1, Commence marking fire on coordinates XXX. Gamma 22 to Lambda 01, you are our eyes near the canal. Coordinate with Harry 1 to hit the other end of canal. Harry 1, you may have 10 minutes at most because by that time your position will triangulated.”
0115 hours, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps
The room was flowing with adrenalin. General Prakaram has just confirmed that a UAV has been assigned to this sector. In addition, artillery has launched their short range UAVs to track incoming targets.
All of a sudden the radio burst with sounds of explosions. Brigadier Sher Singh was shouting on the radio, “They are firing artillery to loosen up the soil here. When are our boys going to reply.”
General Prakaram replied, “They already are, we are getting grid confirmations from the forward spotters and cross referencing then with the UAV. Sit tight.”
0120 HRS, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps
Colonel Abhi commanding the artillery company was anxiously tapping the keyboard. Not that this will get him information faster but there was nothing else to do. When suddenly the screen started rolling with the coordinates from the UAV’s. His team of analysts started pouring over the data and started marking coordinates on the map on the wall.
The information was taken by another team and firing coordinates were passed on to howitzer guns yearning for action.
0121 HRS, 2 KM South West of Village of Bhuttelwala, Indian defense lines
Brigadier Sher Singh was aching for some action, but currently everybody was sitting in their T-90s in hatch down positios protected by mounds of dirt and sand they have built earlier, when all of a sudden he felt a tremor bigger then the usual caused by artillery shells. He turned his viewer towards left and saw the T-90 on his left burning. An artillery shell has hit the fuel tanks and a fire was raging on. He immediately ordered his crew to get out and extinguish the fire as he jumped out and ran towards the burning tank.
“This is the third tank to be disabled by their artillery, 2 BMP have also been destroyed.” He thought as he ran towards the burning hulk with fire extinguisher in his hand.
The shells were exploding all around and the ground was shaking. It has been 6 minutes since the shelling has started, when all of a sudden he heard the sound of incoming shells from an entirely different direction. He smiled an evil smile as he knew who these shells were meant for.
0001 Hours, International Border, Road from Islamgarh to Bhuttewala
Colonel Gurez and Jung had crossed the IB. 70 tanks and 50 BMPs from 26th Mechanized were moving in an arc 1 KM long and 4 deep. In Front of the formation were tanks with mine clearing attachments; whereas rear of the formation was made of trucks and other motorized elements of 14th Infantry, with supplies moving at least 5 KMs behind them.
Colonel Gurez radioed Jung, “Jung, I will take 20 tanks in 2 deep formation as soon we reach village of Bhuttewala. After we have surrounded the village, we need to make sure that there is no surveillance equipment or men there. As per plan, your men will take care of that and then we will start moving to the canal.”
0002 HRS, International Border, Road from Islamgarh to Kishangarh
Colonel Raza commanding the 25th Mechanized was ecstatic. He has just crossed the IB without any semblance of resistance. Today he was pretty sure that his Mechanized will completely annihilate Indian 12 infantry.
0003 HRS, International Border, Trail from Islamgarh to Sarkai Tala
35the infantry has just crossed the pillar marking the border and now they were in Indian territory. Colonel Ahmed knew deep in his heart that his division was going to suffer most casualties, but then again that’s the nature of animal called war. He radioed to all units, “This is Alpha 1, be careful now we don’t exactly know where the enemy is! You are free to fire on anything suspicious.”
0112 hours, Village of Bhuttelwala,
Colonel Gurez was really worried now, 14th infantry has successfully secured the village with no resistance in sight. He was itching for a fight, but no fight here means Indians have dug in at the canal, which was not a good scenario. “Now we will have to fight every inch and making a beachhead through canal is not easy as the canal is wide enough to swallow a tank” he said to Jung.
Jung asked “So what’s the plan now?” Gurez replied, “Well let’s make sure our artillery pound them good and then we will attack”
Jung picked up the radio “Gamma 22 to Harry 1, Commence marking fire on coordinates XXX. Gamma 22 to Lambda 01, you are our eyes near the canal. Coordinate with Harry 1 to hit the other end of canal. Harry 1, you may have 10 minutes at most because by that time your position will triangulated.”
0115 hours, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps
The room was flowing with adrenalin. General Prakaram has just confirmed that a UAV has been assigned to this sector. In addition, artillery has launched their short range UAVs to track incoming targets.
All of a sudden the radio burst with sounds of explosions. Brigadier Sher Singh was shouting on the radio, “They are firing artillery to loosen up the soil here. When are our boys going to reply.”
General Prakaram replied, “They already are, we are getting grid confirmations from the forward spotters and cross referencing then with the UAV. Sit tight.”
0120 HRS, Village of Khinyan, Mobile command centre of 12th corps
Colonel Abhi commanding the artillery company was anxiously tapping the keyboard. Not that this will get him information faster but there was nothing else to do. When suddenly the screen started rolling with the coordinates from the UAV’s. His team of analysts started pouring over the data and started marking coordinates on the map on the wall.
The information was taken by another team and firing coordinates were passed on to howitzer guns yearning for action.
0121 HRS, 2 KM South West of Village of Bhuttelwala, Indian defense lines
Brigadier Sher Singh was aching for some action, but currently everybody was sitting in their T-90s in hatch down positios protected by mounds of dirt and sand they have built earlier, when all of a sudden he felt a tremor bigger then the usual caused by artillery shells. He turned his viewer towards left and saw the T-90 on his left burning. An artillery shell has hit the fuel tanks and a fire was raging on. He immediately ordered his crew to get out and extinguish the fire as he jumped out and ran towards the burning tank.
“This is the third tank to be disabled by their artillery, 2 BMP have also been destroyed.” He thought as he ran towards the burning hulk with fire extinguisher in his hand.
The shells were exploding all around and the ground was shaking. It has been 6 minutes since the shelling has started, when all of a sudden he heard the sound of incoming shells from an entirely different direction. He smiled an evil smile as he knew who these shells were meant for.
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Lohegaon airbase
0400 hrs
Shahzad Karim was nervous about the impending operation. A long-time ISI agent who had infiltrated into Pune in 2002, he was used to extended periods of very little activity. Nevertheless, he had to remain alert. He was after all the seniormost member of his very own “tanzeem” which had rendezvoused a few hundred metres beyond the outer perimeter fence of the Lohegaon AFB. Shahzad considered the young and nervous faces surrounding him- all looking intently at one another for encouragement. All would attain shahadat (martyrdom) in the coming hours but Shahzad had no intention of being one of them. He valued his life too much and in any case, he considered himself to be intellectually superior to the five other members of his squad.
Faisal and Muzzafar were the youngest of the lot. Faisal was an 18-year old from the slums of Pune while Muzzafar was a lower middle class youth from the old city in Hyderabad. Born to a family whose ancestors held minor positions in the Razakar formations which faught the Indian army in Operation Polo (1948), Muzzafar was the most fanatical of the lot. Sulaiman, Khurram and Sohail were all in their early 20s and products of a single madarassa in Bhiwandi, on the outskirts of Mumbai. This particular institution of repute was established by a religious leader (in actual fact a Bangladeshi illegal migrant plied with cash by the DGFI) before a joint ATS/Special Branch squad shut it down in the aftermath of the Mumbai train blasts in 2006. The religious leader in question was subjected to rigorous and intensive interrogation and was soon singing like a canary. Most of the students were sent back to their homes in the rural areas of Maharashtra. The ones considered most at risk were ordered to keep the police informed of their movements on a weekly basis. Sulaiman, Khurram and Sohail on the other hand had already reached a point of no return. Their benefactor Shahzad found them jobs at his vehicle garage on the outskirts of Pune near the National Highway. All were ordered to lie low until the time was right.
Now, with all out war likely between India and Pakistan, Shahzad and his squad were preparing to carry out one of the many daring operations envisaged as part of “Operation Zulfiqar”- an all out assault by deep cover Pakistani operatives assisted by Indian auxiliaries, on defence installations and other strategic installations across India- from Ambala in the north to Kochi in the south and from Jorhat in the east to Lohegaon in the west, with the aim of causing severe psychological (and if possible, physical) damage to Indian defence preparedness on the eve of war. Shahzad knew that not all assault squads across the country would be prepared. Many would have been decapitated by pre-emptive action on the part of IB/SIB agents on their cell leaders while others would struggle to achieve 100 per cent fighting capability on account of a variety of factors. A few hours earlier, Ambala cantonment had been the site of a massive truck bomb, followed by a desperate firefight between three KCF militants and elements of the local military and police. Similarly, an attack was underway on the Mazagaon Docks in Mumbai, though Shahzad thought that was a wasted effort.
In the distance beyond the perimeter fence, Shahzad and his team spotted the headlights of a military jeep. His greatest concern was the presence of Air Force Garud Commando QRTs in the AFB. Besides, he had heard that troops from the Maratha Light Infantry had also been recently drafted in to beef up the perimeter security at the AFB. All thanks to Sub Inspector Nimbalkar from the traffic police contingent at Pune airport who had stopped at the garage the other day to service his motorcycle and was in a chatty mood.
0415 hrs: 15 minutes before start of the assault...
0400 hrs
Shahzad Karim was nervous about the impending operation. A long-time ISI agent who had infiltrated into Pune in 2002, he was used to extended periods of very little activity. Nevertheless, he had to remain alert. He was after all the seniormost member of his very own “tanzeem” which had rendezvoused a few hundred metres beyond the outer perimeter fence of the Lohegaon AFB. Shahzad considered the young and nervous faces surrounding him- all looking intently at one another for encouragement. All would attain shahadat (martyrdom) in the coming hours but Shahzad had no intention of being one of them. He valued his life too much and in any case, he considered himself to be intellectually superior to the five other members of his squad.
Faisal and Muzzafar were the youngest of the lot. Faisal was an 18-year old from the slums of Pune while Muzzafar was a lower middle class youth from the old city in Hyderabad. Born to a family whose ancestors held minor positions in the Razakar formations which faught the Indian army in Operation Polo (1948), Muzzafar was the most fanatical of the lot. Sulaiman, Khurram and Sohail were all in their early 20s and products of a single madarassa in Bhiwandi, on the outskirts of Mumbai. This particular institution of repute was established by a religious leader (in actual fact a Bangladeshi illegal migrant plied with cash by the DGFI) before a joint ATS/Special Branch squad shut it down in the aftermath of the Mumbai train blasts in 2006. The religious leader in question was subjected to rigorous and intensive interrogation and was soon singing like a canary. Most of the students were sent back to their homes in the rural areas of Maharashtra. The ones considered most at risk were ordered to keep the police informed of their movements on a weekly basis. Sulaiman, Khurram and Sohail on the other hand had already reached a point of no return. Their benefactor Shahzad found them jobs at his vehicle garage on the outskirts of Pune near the National Highway. All were ordered to lie low until the time was right.
Now, with all out war likely between India and Pakistan, Shahzad and his squad were preparing to carry out one of the many daring operations envisaged as part of “Operation Zulfiqar”- an all out assault by deep cover Pakistani operatives assisted by Indian auxiliaries, on defence installations and other strategic installations across India- from Ambala in the north to Kochi in the south and from Jorhat in the east to Lohegaon in the west, with the aim of causing severe psychological (and if possible, physical) damage to Indian defence preparedness on the eve of war. Shahzad knew that not all assault squads across the country would be prepared. Many would have been decapitated by pre-emptive action on the part of IB/SIB agents on their cell leaders while others would struggle to achieve 100 per cent fighting capability on account of a variety of factors. A few hours earlier, Ambala cantonment had been the site of a massive truck bomb, followed by a desperate firefight between three KCF militants and elements of the local military and police. Similarly, an attack was underway on the Mazagaon Docks in Mumbai, though Shahzad thought that was a wasted effort.
In the distance beyond the perimeter fence, Shahzad and his team spotted the headlights of a military jeep. His greatest concern was the presence of Air Force Garud Commando QRTs in the AFB. Besides, he had heard that troops from the Maratha Light Infantry had also been recently drafted in to beef up the perimeter security at the AFB. All thanks to Sub Inspector Nimbalkar from the traffic police contingent at Pune airport who had stopped at the garage the other day to service his motorcycle and was in a chatty mood.
0415 hrs: 15 minutes before start of the assault...