Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 02 Mar 2011 18:02

well it is imaginary nut based on real time events - a new experiment guys -lets see how it works out -have collected lot of detaile info at aero india and before that shall share with you all :-)

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby manish.rastogi » 02 Mar 2011 18:13

sure sire...please continue it....would love to get more and more scenarios from you!!

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Ghatotkacha » 03 Mar 2011 04:24

Ghatotkacha rakhsash ko baba bhole Shankar ne destroy kar diya

Hahaha.. thank you for scenario Shankar.
I will give you room.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 03 Mar 2011 13:10

IAF's transport aircraft could be sent to Libya: AK Antony

Defence minister AK Antony today said Indian Air Force's transport aircraft could be sent to Libya to evacuate Indian citizens stranded there if the need arises.

"Navy has also sent its ships. Air Force also is ready. Whether it is Libya or other capitals, if the government wants their service, they can also be sent," he said.

The defence minister was talking to reporters on the sidelines of a ceremony to flag-in Indian Army's expedition to the South Pole.

The IAF has kept its IL-76 aircraft on stand-by mode for the operations at different air fields in the country. An IL-76 can carry more than 300 passengers at one go.

The navy has already sent two ships to Libya including the amphibious vessel INS Jalashwa and Delhi-class destroyer INS Delhi to help in evacuating 18,000 Indian citizens there.

On the evacuation effort by India, navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma said, "Evacuation is taking place from Tripoli and Benghazi and the external affairs ministry has hired ferry boats going to Alexandria, Egypt (for evacuation)."

"18,000 is a large number and eventually we would be pressed to evacuate. The numbers we can carry is substantial. On Jalashwa we can carry 1500 in one ferry, so I see there would be enough work to be done," he said.

The navy chief was responding to queries on the Libyan evacuation efforts on the sidelines of a two-day hydrographers' conference.

Air India is also operating two flights daily to Tripoli and has sought permission to land in the interior parts of Libya where over 1,000 Indians are believed to be stranded.

Already more than 1,000 passengers have been brought back to the country in the special flights operated by the national carrier.

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Postby Shankar » 03 Mar 2011 13:28

INS JALSHVA - WEST ARABIAN SEE – TASK FORCE 34

Captain Rajinder singh was going crazy – the coffee was cold – the idly sambar was cold –one of the main engines running hot within 3 days of leaving port and had to be shut down – the cranky rear admiral on board INS Mysore was raising him on the horn every 4 hrs asking for current status –the air cover promised by air force still not in position – first operational mission of the ship and the problems were multiplying by the second .
Replenishment at sea was due in 6 hrs and he needed full power then for safe station keeping – but indications he was getting from engine room is anything to go by he knew the replenishment is going to be delayed by another 6 hours at least and he was in no mood to explain that to the admiral.

The ship was fully loaded –contrary to news available to public domain, the changing situation in Libya necessitated a few last minutes change in loading manifest as well as passenger combination all classified. But the unmistakable hull shape of the T-90 s and the Pinaka multi barrel rocket launchers were easy for even the ordinary sailors to recognize and the rows of Mi35 s which have joined the ship was easy to spot also.
In short the ship was rigged for hot extraction –for combat







ABOARD THE USS TRENTON/INS JALASHVA: When an 18-member team from the Indian Navy boarded USS Trenton in Spain last October for a recce prior to its purchase by India, an American crew member sent home a cable that declared: "They speak English!"

The exclamatory remark was just one indication of the military chasm between the two countries despite the recent thaw that has seen them overcome half a century of Cold War baggage and ignorance. From getting used to gauges that measured in Fahrenheit and gallons and pounds per sq. inch, to figuring out how to get the bread machine to crank out chapattis, the Indians too faced a few challenges.

But on Wednesday, after nearly six months together at sea and in port during which they thrashed out every issue including which key fits which locker, some 650 sailors and officers from both sides exchanged warm goodbyes in wintry conditions as the Americans debarked Trenton one last time to transfer the ship to the Indian Navy.

At a colourful ceremony on board the enormous vessel berthed in Pier No.5 at Norfolk, Virginia, with the Honors Bos'n playing the pipes and the navy band playing Ruffles and Flourishes and the Admiral's March, LDCR Donegan ordered the lowering of the ensign and the US colours. Rear Admiral Hall presented the transfer certificate to Commodore Murugesan, turning the ship over to the India.


Minutes later, after brief speeches that seemed to last an eternity in sub-zero temperatures, Captain BS Ahluwalia ordered his men to relieve the Americans of watch and hoisting of the Blue Ensign. And thus, USS Trenton became INS Jalashva, the latest acquisition of the Indian Navy and first American ship to join the Indian fleet.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 03 Mar 2011 13:41

IAF STATION LOHEGAON –PUNE – TASK FORCE BLACK RHINO – 18XSU-30MKI MK3 + 3 IL78 MKI + 1 PHALCON AWAC +4 IL 76

All civilian operations were suspended after 1800 hrs as the sizable task force lined up for take off to Egypt and Malta . As the air traffic permissions were awaited from multitude of civilian and military controllers of worlds most militarized and sea space Commodore Vineet Saxena relaxed over the deployment plan one last time . The tankers will roll out first followed by the transporters the flankers and then the prized PHALCON air battle command ship.All flankers will go fully armed as part of their mission will be to provide 24x7 air cover to the navy ships as it transited the gulf of Aden and Suez canal and position off the coast of Libya .


Air Force Third Sukhoi Squadron to be Based out of Pune
Multi-role strike fighter squadrons of Sukhoi 30MKI, which had moved out of Lohegaon Air Force station have now returned in style — after a successful Red Flag excercise in the US - 'Times of India' reported Sunday.

In the next few months, the fleet will be enforced with a third squadron, making it one of the strongest airbases in the western region. Although the squadrons returned from Jodhpur a few weeks ago Saturday's comeback was more apt following the multinational air exercise in the US.

The Air Officer Commanding-in-Chief (AOC-in-C) of South Western Air Command (SWAC), Air Marshal K.D. Singh said that the Lohegaon Air Force base will get a new Su-30 MKI squadron by Dec 2009. Currently, the Lohegaon Air Force base has two squadrons of Su-30 MKI, 'Lightnings' and 'Rhinos'. The Su-30 MKIs will roll out from the Hindustan Aeronautics Limited factory at Nasik. Recently, the Jaguar Squadron was shifted and located to Jamnagar airbase in Gujarat for strategic reasons. "Pune was primarily developed as a base for the Sukhois and a lot of investment has gone into this," said another Air Force officer.

On Saturday afternoon a batch of four Sukhoi 30 MKIs arrived, flying side-by-side, then peeling off one by one, signalling their arrival after a successful mission at Exercise Red Flag at Nellis US Air Force base in Nevada. The team comprised eight Sukhoi-30MKI fighters, two IL-78 mid-air refuellers, one IL-76 heavy-lift aircraft and about 250 air warriors (90 among them were officers). They pitted their skills against American F-15s and F-16s, as well as French Rafale fighters and South Korean F-15K jets.

Air Marshal K.D. Singh welcomed the IAF's top-gun pilots as Sukhois returned to Pune from Abu Dhabi — their last stopover — while the other aircraft went back to their respective units. Also present was NDA Commandant Air Marshal T.S. Randhawa, who is the Commodore Commandant of the no 20 squadron (Lightnings). An elated group leader Wing Commander George Thomas said, "It was a great training opportunity for IAF to integrate our assets in an adverse environment thousands of miles away along with a country (USA) which is technologically quite advanced."

"Each mission was done to perfection. The main thrust of the exercise was on training. The threat environment was tailored to what your needs are — air, ground, space and water," he said. It was a triumphant return for the Indian Air Force (IAF) team, which impressed the mighty US in this two-week exercise, indicating that more such wargames could be in the offing on a regular basis. It was one of the rare occasions in the 33-year-old history of the Red Flag that an invitation was extended to a non-NATO nation and the first time the IAF participated.

Air Marshal Singh said: "We would like to have more such exercises. But it's a decision taken at the government level." Giving details about the exercise, Wg Cmdr Thomas said, "During this phase, a present-day air campaign was replicated, in which opposition forces or the 'Aggressors' F-16 and F-15s, were threats to the Blue Land (IAF) and its forces.

"The tasks are carried out by 'Strike Packages' comprising Su30s flying along with the US Air Force, French Air Force and Korean Air Force. "The main challenge during the exercise for the team IAF was to adapt to the USAF network and also carry out 'Stand Alone' tasks simultaneously. Our young IAF pilots (average age: late 20s) have done this with amazing dexterity," he said.

The exercise was preceded by two weeks of work-up training at the Mountain Home Air Force Base of the US. The IAF flew over 200 sorties with the USAF. On its return, the contingent also made a week-long stopover at Al Dafra, United Arab Emirates (UAE) and participated in an air exerice with Mirage 200-9 and F-16 aircraft of the UAE Air Force and Air Defence.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 03 Mar 2011 17:00

Libyan Warplanes Launch Air Strikes on Key Oil Port

Witnesses say Libyan warplanes launched new air strikes Thursday against the key eastern oil port of Brega, a day after rebels drove forces loyal to leader Moammar Gadhafi from the city.

Opposition forces repelled powerful ground and air assaults Wednesday as Gadhafi loyalists launched their first offensive against opposition-controlled eastern Libya.

Witnesses said pro-Gadhafi forces in a convoy of more than 50 armed vehicles stormed Brega, which lies on the Gulf of Sirte about 800 kilometers east of the capital, Tripoli. They quickly seized the city's oil installations, airport and port facilities.

News of the attack galvanized citizen militias in the nearby cities of Ajdabiya and Benghazi, who raced to the front lines armed with AK-47s, rocket-propelled grenades and aging anti-tank weapons.

Opposition forces counterattacked by midafternoon, driving Gadhafi loyalists from the city. Doctors reported at least 12 dead in the fighting. During the clashes, fighter jets also launched air strikes against anti-regime forces in Brega and on the outskirts of Ajdabiya, home to a large rebel-controlled arms depot.

The fight for Brega came as a self-declared "interim governing council" called for air strikes by outside powers against non-Libyan African mercenaries that rebel leaders say Gadhafi has used in his militias to put down the rebellion.

The Associated Press reported that the council formed Wednesday in the opposition stronghold of Benghazi. It reportedly named Gadhafi's former justice minister, Mustafa Abdel-Jalil, as its head. Abdul Hafiz Gogha. a spokesman for the council, said the body also wants foreign governments to deal only with Libyan embassies that have sided with the resistance.

Gadhafi delivered a rambling and defiant three-hour address on state television Wednesday, warning that thousands of Libyans would die if foreign forces intervene in the conflict. He called the rebels holding some cities "terrorists" and said loyalist forces would "fight to the last drop of Libyan blood."
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Postby Shankar » 03 Mar 2011 17:07

Libyan air force bombs arms dump in Ajdabiya

Forces loyal to the Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi are moving into rebel territory in the east, capturing an oil installation in the town of Brega.

The BBC's John Simpson in the nearby city of Ajdabiya says the 100-vehicle convoy is expected to head towards it.

He was broadcasting on BBC World TV the moment an arms dump there was bombed.
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Libyan Air Force Bombs Brega

An airstrike by the Libyan Air Force was launched on the port town of Marsa El Brega Wednesday in an attempt by Gaddafi to take back control of the town, but opposition forces fought back.

Planes dropped a bomb on an oil refinery and struck the beach, sending sand flying.

Al Jazeera reports:

A witness said the blast raised a plume of sand from a dune but caused no casualties, apparently an attempt to scare off the anti-Gadhafi fighters besieging regime forces in the campus.

"All the fighters here are massing. We understand that something like 250-300 pro-Gaddafi fighters are inside Brega and they are being surrounded," our correspondent said.

The bombing of Brega and reports about the fall of Gharyan and Sabratha towns in the country's northwest to pro-Gaddafi forces came as Gaddafi appeared on state television once again.

Gaddafi's efforts weren't enough as Libyan opposiiton forces managed to keep hold of the town, according to the BBC.

From the BBC:

Our correspondent has been to Brega's seashore and university, where the heaviest fighting took place, and they appear entirely clear of Gaddafi troops.

He says a senior rebel officer had suggested the Gaddafi troops might have run out of ammunition and been forced to withdraw.

The excited rebels appeared very proud of what they had achieved, our correspondent says, and the feeling in the town is that Col Gaddafi's men do not necessarily have their hearts in the job.

Though Western forces have yet to intervene in Libya, the U.S. has sent warships to the area in the hopes of pressuring Gaddafi to leave the country. But Gaddafi refuses to go and has said that many Libyans will die if Western forces get involved.

Libyan opposition leaders have pleaded for UN airstrikes on areas where foreign mercenaries have strongholds in the country. Rebels say Gaddafi has hired mercenaries to kill his own people.
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 03 Mar 2011 17:40

PRIME MINISTERS OFFICE –NEW DELHI – CABINET COMMITTEE ON SECURITY – 1800 HRS

The soft spoken prime minister of India took his seat – looking visibly tired after a hectic day in the parliament post budget discussions followed by other less palatable discussions on the conduct of senior ministers and counter insurgency situation in Kashmir valley which included briefing on an ongoing operation
The air chief started the presentation immediately outlining the brief unclassified information on Libyan air force capabilities- the classified section was passed on as an added written down need to know basis note attached with hard copy of briefing papers .

The Libyan Air Force is the air force of Libya, with an air force personnel estimated at 22,000. There are 13 military airbases in Libya.
After U.S. forces had left Libya in 1970, Wheelus Air Base, a previous U.S. facility about seven miles from Tripoli, became a Libyan Air Force installation and was renamed Okba Ben Nafi Air Base. OBN AB housed the LPAF's headquarters and a large share of its major training facilities.
LPAF Soviet-made MiG-17/19/25 fighters and Tu-22 bombers were based at Okba Ben Nafi Air Base. Of the combat aircraft, the United States Department of State estimated in 1983 that 50 percent remained in storage, including most of the MiG fighters and Tu-22 bombers.
The air force was first established as the Royal Libyan Air Force (Al Quwwat al Jawwiya al Malakiya al Libiyya) in 1951. In 1970 it changed its name to the Libyan Arab Republic Air Force.
The main suppliers were Soviet Union and Italy and France.
During the Cold War, aircraft and personnel of the Soviet Air Force took residence at Okba Ben Nafi Air Base. With Soviet assistance, the Libyan Air Force was organized into one medium bomber squadron with Tupolev Tu-22s, three fighter interceptor squadrons, five forward ground attack squadrons, one counterinsurgency squadron, nine helicopter squadrons, and three air defense brigades deploying SA-2, SA-3, and Crotale missiles.[2]. In 1971 11 civilian C-130's were delivered by the USA and converted in Italy to military version, four C-100-30's were acquired later by purchasing them from the Philippines and Luxembourg in 1981. In 1976 20 CH-47 Chinook heavy transport helicopters were acquired in Italy. 14 were transferred to the army in the 1990s.
The Libyan Arab Republic Air Force (LARAF) lost a total of four aircraft to United States Navy F-14 Tomcats in two incidents over the Gulf of Sidra, in 1981 and 1989. In addition, many planes were destroyed or damaged on the ground in 1986 when American planes attacked targets at Benghazi and Tripoli airports.
In the 1970s and 80s Libyan Migs and Tupolevs were common visitors to the international airspace, close to Italy. On June 1980 a Libyan MiG-23 crashed on the Sila Mountains in Castelsilano, Calabria, southern Italy.
The air force was extensively used in the fighting in Chad in the 1980s, in support of Libyan ground units. It was reported that many Libyan bombing raids were carried out at excessively high altitudes when met with anti-aircraft fire so the attacks did not play a decisive role. On 17 February 1986, in retaliation for the French Operation Èpervier, a single LARAF Tu-22B attacked the airport at N'Djamena. One Tu-22 bomber was shot down by captured SA-6 missile during an attack on an abandoned Libyan base on 8 August 1987. Another Tu-22 was lost on 7 September 1987, when a battery of French MIM-23 Hawk SAMs shot down one of the two LARAF bombers that were attacking N'Djamena.
The Chadians seized Ouadi Doum base in 1987 and destroyed or captured two SF.260s, three Mi-25s, two Tu-22B bombers, eleven L-39 jets, two complete SA-8 SAM-batteries and a plethora of additional equipment, weapons, supplies and ammounition, a good deal of which was flown out to France and the USA within the next five days. Four USAF C-5 Galaxy transports were sent to N'Djamena to collect the captured Libyan equipment.
The Libyan Arab Republic Air Force (LARAF) was also involved in combat against Tanzania during 1979 as part of the Uganda–Tanzania War to help its Ugandan allies, with a single Tu-22 flying a unsuccessful bombing mission against the town of Mwanza
With the collapse of the Soviet Union and the elimination of military aid by the new Russian Federation, Soviet/Russian support was drastically curtailed. The last major delivery of Soviet aircraft was 15 Su-24 Fencers in March/April 1989.
Much of Libyan air doctrine appears now to be of an ad hoc nature and contracted personnel from Yugoslavia, South Africa, Russia, North Korea and Pakistan provide piloting, maintenance and technical services.
UN sanctions were lifted in early 1999 and Libya has talked to Russia about upgrades for its MiG-21s and MiG-25s while also expressing an interest in MiG-29s, MiG-31s and long-range SAMs. However, many of the transport and combat aircraft are in storage.
During the Libyan Revolution, Libyan Air Force warplanes and attack helicopters launched repeated airstrikes on protesters, reportedly targeting a funeral procession and a group of protesters trying to reach an army base. On 21 February 2011, two senior Libyan Air Force pilots defected and flew their Mirage F1 fighter jets to Malta and requested political asylum after defying orders to bomb protesters.] On 23 February 2011, pilot Abdessalam Attiyah al-Abdali and co-pilot Ali Omar al-Kadhafi, crew of a Sukhoi-22, ejected with parachutes near Ajdabiya, 100 miles west of Benghazi, after refusing orders to bomb the city of Benghazi


The prime minister listened quietly sat through the entire presentation and then asked just one question – how sure the navy ships will be safe with whatever protection you are deploying.

The air chief became quite and then said – Sir in view of current escalating conflict level – we should increase out deployment level to this level

The next slide showed the deployment plan –additional aircraft –air defense weapon systems and personnel requirement for a sustained operation capable of enforcing a no fly zone over eastern Libya to be extended to whole of Libya if required .

The prime minister turned to defense minister sitting to his left and talked in low voice for a few minutes and then looked back at the air chief and said simply

- Do it –send the deployment papers to the Raksha Mantri immediately for capital approval and issue of executive orders. I want each and every Indian in Libya to come back safely. I will talk to British prime minister and ameriacn president in few hours.In the meantime you activate your “ operation Onyx”

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Postby Shankar » 07 Mar 2011 20:13

IAF STATION LOHEGAON – RUNWAY 27 – 18XSU 30 MKI – BLACK LEOPARD FLIGHT

Group captain Jamwal tightened his strap once again, a need less exercise just to get the tension out of system. He will be leading a whole squadron along with support aircraft in to a potentially dangerous situation which may be extended to months if cabinet decides to join the no fly zone initiative proposed by UN in last session.

For the time being the whole contingent shall be bases at a military air base near Cairo .The new Egyptian government have quickly acceded to Indian ministry of external affairs request and made ready military air base EA 43 dessert other side of the famous Pyramids and Sphinx statue.

The advantage was close operating range to main theater of operation that will allow the flankers longer loiter time close to 11 hours with air to air weapons only and also allow close to same load for air to ground mission if that becomes necessary, with just one mid air refueling in friendly air space.

Unknown to general public and world at large the flankers flying into combat today all carried active electronic scanning radar or AESA as it was called commonly. The advantages that came with this classified radar upgrade were

- doubling of target detection range for fighter size targets making it almost independent of AWAC support when used over small geographical are of operation in air dominance mode
- 2.5 times increase in multiple target tracking and simultaneous engagement capability
- Two fold increase in mapping mode quality and range acquisition and resolution with simultaneous engagement capability
- Two fold increase in ground target tracking capability
- Additional advanced air to air and air to surface mode particularly the meteo mode and active counter measure mode
- Enhanced interaction with advanced avionics and wider spectrum of weapons that can be deployed including ultra long range air to air missiles
- Improved operating characteristics
- More advanced avionics to radar interface
- Suitability to Indian weapon systems including Astra series of missiles


The standard bars radar uses a passive phased array though features the same key advantages over mechanical steered arrays that is the ability to point the radio beam to required area of space nearly instantly. However AESA s key advantage over passive array system is ability to multiple independently controlled beams and its operation over a wider wave band. This feature facilitates the interference /ECM resistance of the system and allows simultaneous fulfillment of numerous other tasks though the potential characteristics is marginally decreased.
Group captain Jamwal checked the long line of flankers stretching behind him fully armed and fully fuelled as they waited for take of clearance on the taxi track . Two flankers on training sortie came and touched down smoothly ,thin wisps of smoke coming out of main undercarriage wheels as they made contact and the nose leveled out , nose wheel contact and the twin drag chutes flowered behind almost in unison
The secure radio came alive

- swan 1 and 2 clear runway when able –black leopard flight you are allowed to move into take off position – await take of clearance
- black leopard lead to black leopard flight – expect immediate take off clearance – follow me at 30 sec interval – fly runway heading and turn to course 250 magnetic at 5000 meter – form up on me in square box formation with 1000 meter horizontal and 100 meter vertical separation in groups of 4 as briefed –
- over
- tower –black leopard flight is in take off position –request immediate clearance-over
- black leopard lead –tower – cleared for immediate take off at your discretion- fly runway heading and clear class D air space quikly – commercial traffic is building up – over
- tower- black leopard lead – individual take off at 30 sec interval – shall clear D space asap – over

He released the brake smoothly with flick of his toe and eased the collective just a notch the twin engines responded immediately pushing the fully laden jet up to 20 kmph as Jamwal deftly steered it into take off position and and aligned with the runway centre line

His practiced eyes scanned the multi functional displays and the runway ahead and the display console again as he advanced the tiny collective throttle lever all the way to full military power .The smooth whine of the engines changed immediately to the throaty roar as twin streams of aviation turbine fuel got injected under pressure in to the combustion chamber and the exhaust temperature rapidly climbed near yellow band.He waited precisely 3 seconds and checked the indicated air speed and Engine rpm as both reached the limit he once again gently nudged it past the reheat gate and the several steps all the way to full reheat,

The mule kick of full afterburner take off hit him even before the flanker started accelerating like a leopard in heat ,eating out the 8000 ft runway very quickly – the ground vibration started getting less and less as the massive wings started acquiring lift and very soon it was time to rotate ,to put the nose to sky and climb into sky and into battles that lay ahead.

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Postby Shankar » 07 Mar 2011 20:18

There were 21 martyrs. The toll could go up. There are 91 wounded, including nine in a serious condition," the doctor said.

"The overwhelming majority of them are civilians, including a boy aged two and a half. I don't know what weapon it was but it wasn't gunfire," he said.

Abdul Basit Abu Mziriq, a spokesman for the rebel administration in the city, also confirmed 21 dead.

The figures came as at least 12 people were killed and more than 50 wounded in clashes between Libyan rebels and supporters of Col Muammar Gaddafi at the coastal hamlet of Bin Jawad, according to hospital figures.

The casualty list posted at Ajdabiya hospital, where most of the wounded were taken after Sunday's clashes, reported seven dead and 52 people hurt.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... hting.html

Libya could split, says Liam Fox, as regime hits rebels hard
Liam Fox, the British defence secretary, has warned that Libya could end up split in two as Colonel Muammar Gaddafi unleashed the full fury of his military arsenal, sending warplanes and ground troops to attack rebel-held positions across the country.
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Postby Klaus » 07 Mar 2011 20:33

vivek_ahuja wrote:SKIES OVER BHUTAN
DAY 6 + 1115 HRS


He barely recovered his massive bird from the manoeuvre before it hit the ground, and that too only after his RSO was shouting from behind alongside the on-board computer to avoid terrain collision.

As the massive beast of the Su-30 pulled up on full afterburner above the city of Thimpu, the Indian Mig-21 disintegrated into smithereens after hitting the slopes of one of the peaks west of the city. On board the CABS-AEW, Bullrider-Actual disappeared from radar and comms.

His battle had ended, but the war over the Thimpu skies had just begun...


After reading this, I actually observed a minute's silence at attention for Bullrider-Actual's sacrifice. My mind knew it was fiction but my heart went out to the valiant air-warrior who flew the venerable Bison.

Only a phenomenal writer can bring out such emotions and reactions in a reader!

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Postby Shankar » 07 Mar 2011 23:14

U.S. senators call for no-fly zone
By Joseph Berger
New York Times
Updated: 03/06/2011 11:44:18 PM CST

Despite skepticism from Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, three influential U.S. senators from both political parties Sunday called for the United States to carve out a no-fly zone in Libya to prevent Moammar Gadhafi from massacring the rebels trying to overthrow him.

But the Obama administration continued to resist such appeals.

"Lots of people throw around phrases like no-fly zone — they talk about it as though it's just a video game," William Daley, the new White House chief of staff, said in at appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" television news program.

Sen. John Kerry, the Massachusetts Democrat who chairs the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, challenged Gates' admonition that establishing a no-fly zone required the United States to attack Libya's antiaircraft installations and other air defenses.

"Well, that's actually not the only option for what one could do," Kerry said, in what sounded like a rebuke to a cabinet member, on CBS's "Face the Nation." "One could crater the airports and the runways and leave them incapable of using them for a period of time."

Kerry said Libya's air force is small and the U.S. would consider trying to ground Libyan planes only if Gadhafi uses his air force "as a means of massacring large number of civilians." He also said establishing a no-fly zone would not require a long-term U.S. or Western commitment.

Kerry's support for a no-fly zone was echoed by two Republicans who spoke on the Sunday television


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Postby Shankar » 07 Mar 2011 23:19

Gadhafi unleashes armour, artillery against rebels


RAS LANUF, LIBYA—He had a hole in his leg and a smile on his face.

And at the end of a day that saw Moammar Gadhafi unleash heavy armour and worse against rebel forces on three different fronts, opposition fighter Mohammed Altaib shrugged away the setbacks as a minor annoyance.

Shot through the thigh Sunday as he battled pro-Gadhafi forces protecting the desert highway approach to the dictator’s hometown of Sirte, Altaib waved off offers of an ambulance and instead limped toward a car in which a Toronto Star team was travelling.

And on two-hour nighttime drive back to Ajdamiya, the nearest decent hospital in the rebel-held east, Altaib filled in the blanks of a blurry battle that appeared Sunday to have stalled the revolution’s drive toward Tripoli.

“Helicopters, tanks, artillery, rockets, snipers — they tried everything to push us back. They even went inside people’s houses and sent the children outside, like human shields, to prevent us from shooting.

“But we held our ground. And we will not stop. We might be killed. But if the revolution fails, we will die anyway. Gadhafi will hunt us down.”

Such bravado is what drove the rebel surge to Ras Lanuf Friday night, capping a gain of 150 kilometres in barely 48 hours against thinly placed Gadhafi soldiers, bringing one of Libya’s most important oil terminals into the hands of the revolution.
Other rebel sources in Ras Lanuf acknowledged the day as a strategic failure, saying the revolution’s nascent military command hoped to consolidate gains at the key oil hub and regroup before pushing forward. But when “overexcited” fighters kept on going, others felt they had no choice but to join them in support.

The path was frustrated further by the Gadhafi regime’s increasing use of air power, which on Sunday included a wave of air strikes on the military barracks at Ras Lanuf. Fighter jets also targeted the highway itself in an attempt to forestall the flow of rebels in civilian cars from the east.
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 08 Mar 2011 22:04

IAF FLIGHT OCEAN WATCH – 1 X A 50 EI + 4XSU-30 MKI - SOME WHERE IN ARABIAN SEA

Wing commander Roshan checked his master display once again .The right half showing the numerous surface contacts moving along the designated traffic corridors and the left showed the air space in a 600 km radius around the aircraft. The Indian navy task force was marked out clearly the lead destroyers, the troop carrier in the centre and the frigates taking up rear Guard action. He also knew though could not see the nuclear powered submarine Arihant some where ahead of the fleet sanitizing the ocean depth ahead of task force .

He was particularly watchful of Pakistani P-3 Orions which have a habit of snooping on navy ships transiting the Arabian sea and with their load of Harpoon anti ship missile always a major risk to any navy surface ship.

The rules of engagement was very clear on this .If any Pakistani navy aircraft capable of anti ship action is detected it is to be tracked 24x7 and if it approaches 200 km of any navy ship it is to be warned off ,at 150 kms it would be intercepted and have to be decisively removed from the area .The naval command never specified what forcible or decisive removal means in actual combat situation but Roshan took it as to be shot out of sky or made to reverse course and out of 200 km air space protection bubble.

The console blipped and a radar echo started flashing on the screen coming in from north east it could be a commercial airliner or a maritime recon aircraft of any of the friendly navies operating in the region or it just might be a Pakistani orion comning to have a look see.

It was his job to make sure that unidentified aircraft does not come close enough whatever it might be .

He picked up the interphone and alerted the air battle commander and then went into a much practiced routine .He needed fixed wing support for visual identification ,he needed authorization to launch fixed wing aircraft from shore bases ( Virat was not available) ,he needed authorization from air force to let navy aircraft refuel from the orbiting tanker , and he needed the flankers expected to provide air cover to fleet all about the same time,

The teletype operating vie data link have just informed slight delay in arrival of the escort ( by about 3 hours) due to some unavoidable last minute technical snags at Lohegaon (whatever that meant ) .

Only aircraft he could call up immediately were the Mig 29Ks based at Dabolim on operation ready status. Normally 4 are always on launch ready status fuelled and armed for air superiority role just for situation like this.

- sir ,we have a situation – unidentified aircraft – 500 kmph- on direct intercept course to navy task force – range 580 km and decreasing – need positive visual ID – request clearance to initiate aircraft launch from Dabolim
- try raising the unidentified aircraft on radio – use the reserved guard frequency if you have to –mean time also alert naval air for a possible intercept mission in 15 minutes
- copy that sir – trying raise on radio and warn him off
- unidentified aircraft this is Indian air force – you are approaching restricted airspace – please identify yourself and change course to 180 – over
There was no response
Roshan changed frequency and repeated the warning still there was no response
- sir we do not have any response to our request for identification and course change – unidentified aircraft 530 km from fleet – still no change in course and altitude
- alert fleet air defense
- contact naval air station and intimate possible intercept mission in few minutes –authorization code ORANGE 21 repeat ORANGE 21

The first IL 76TD c/n 94-02 earmarked for conversion to lead A-50EI plane was flown from manufacturer plant in Taskhent to Taganrog in april 2005 .Fitting the first aircraft with PS 90 A 76 engines radar fairings and the in-flight refueling systems as well as other air frame modifications under the A-50EI program was completed by autumn of 2007.The aircraft performed its maiden flight from Bariev airfield in Tganrog on 29th November 2007.It was then ferried to Israel for assembly of the radar system and full system trials. The first flight of the radar equipped aircraft took place in Tel Aviv on 5th june 2008and then flew into India 25th May 2009.The aircraft was serialized KW3551.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 08 Mar 2011 22:11

Israeli cable-television viewers were probably yawning when both CBS and CNN reported last Tuesday that Libya had obtained illicit nuclear weapons technology from Pakistan.

Broadcasting to Israel via the British Sky satellite network, CBS reporter David Martin spoke with appropriate drama as he revealed that Bush administration officials possess significant evidence of the alleged transfer. CNN's John King was equally serious in his similar report.

Why would Israelis yawn about something that was probably ultimately aimed at their own annihilation? Well, Israeli security experts and government leaders have spoken about the Pakistani-Libyan connection for some time now. In other words, the news was not news here in Israel – the intended nuclear ground-zero.

The Pakistani government has denied that it played any role in the reported technological transfer. Israeli security analysts tend to believe President Pervez Musharraf when he insists that he knew nothing about the reported illegal activity.

But that doesn't mean the dirty deed did not take place. In fact, a senior Pakistani official at the country's Atomic Energy Commission basically admitted to the Associated Press that clandestine transactions had probably occurred, even if totally under the table: "Pakistan should not be blamed for any individual's wrongful act," he stated, adding ominously that "We do not know who has been helping Iran, North Korea or Libya."

This is a chilling revelation indeed, especially after Pakistan admitted in late December that some of its senior nuclear scientists had probably passed on strategic information to the radical Shiite Islamic regime in Iran.

All this simply underscores the fact that Saddam – as nefarious as he was – did not represent the biggest WMD threat in this tense and volatile region, if he actually possessed the banned weapons at all.


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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 09 Mar 2011 09:50

As Gadhafi strikes back, U.S., NATO ponder moves
By Matthew Lee and Bradley Klapper
Associated Press

Rebel fighters run for cover as a missile fired by the Libyan military explodes near a checkpoint in rebel-held Ras Lanouf.
Luis Sinco | Los Angeles Times
Rebel fighters run for cover as a missile fired by the Libyan military explodes near a checkpoint in rebel-held Ras Lanouf.
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Rebel fighters check out a pickup truck damaged by a missile fired from a military plane attacking Ras Lanouf, an oil-port city in rebel-held eastern Libya.
Luis Sinco | Los Angeles Times
Rebel fighters check out a pickup truck damaged by a missile fired from a military plane attacking Ras Lanouf, an oil-port city in rebel-held eastern Libya.
President Barack Obama
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President Barack Obama

WASHINGTON - The U.S. and its NATO allies edged closer yesterday to formulating a military response to the escalating violence in Libya. The alliance boosted surveillance flights over the country, and the Obama administration signaled that it might be willing to help arm Moammar Gadhafi's opponents.

Europe, meanwhile, kickstarted international efforts to impose a no-fly zone.

Libyan warplanes launched airstrikes yesterday on opposition fighters regrouping at the eastern oil-port city of Ras Lanouf on the Mediterranean coast. That came one day after the opposition was driven back by a heavy government counteroffensive aimed at stopping the rebel drive toward Tripoli, Gadhafi's stronghold.

In the western city of Zawiya, government forces, backed by as many as 50 tanks, inflicted heavy damage and killed dozens of rebel fighters and civilians, a resident said. They seized at least partial control of a city that had been in rebel hands.

A resident of Zawiya, which is just 30 miles outside Tripoli, the capital, said that tanks and artillery opened fire around 9 a.m., and by the afternoon, rebels had been driven out of the city's main square.

The rebels oppose any Western ground troops deploying in Libya, but they're pressing for a no-fly zone to relieve them of the threat from the air. The rebels can take on "the rockets and the tanks, but not Gadhafi's air force," said Ali Suleiman, a rebel fighter at Ras Lanouf. "We don't want a foreign military intervention (on the ground), but we do want a no-fly zone. We are all waiting for one."

It appeared unlikely that U.S. warplanes or missiles would soon deploy in Libya, but the violence increased pressure on Washington to do something or spell out its plan.

The violence "perpetrated by the government in Libya is unacceptable," President Barack Obama said as he authorized $15 million in new humanitarian aid to assist and evacuate people fleeing the fighting.

He also warned those still loyal to Gadhafi that they will be held to account for the violent crackdown. "I want to send a very clear message to those who are around Col. Gadhafi," Obama told reporters in the Oval Office. "It is their choice to make how they operate moving forward. And they will be held accountable for whatever violence continues to take place."

The president spoke as U.S. military planes shuttled between Europe and Tunisia, ferrying in supplies and taking out some of the hundreds of thousands of people who have fled across the Libyan border.

Obama said NATO was consulting about "a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya."

As a first step, NATO agreed yesterday to increase AWACs surveillance flights over Libya from 10 to 24 hours a day to give the alliance a better picture of both the humanitarian and military situations, U.S. Ambassador to NATO Ivo Daalder said. NATO's governing body is meeting today and Wednesday to come up with contingency plans for military operations to be considered at a Thursday meeting of the alliance's defense ministers in Belgium, he said.

Meanwhile, Britain and France were drafting a U.N. Security Council resolution that would authorize a no-fly zone over Libya aimed at protecting Gadhafi's foes from airstrikes, diplomats said. U.S. officials said a no-fly zone remains an option, but they suggested that there is little enthusiasm for such a complex and expensive operation, and they questioned whether it would serve its intended purpose.

"When you really look at what is going on, we have actually seen a decrease in both fighters and overall air activity over Libya," Daalder said. "The kinds of capabilities that are being used to attack the rebel forces, and indeed the population, will be largely unaffected by a no-fly zone."

White House spokesman Jay Carney said a military response is no more likely than it was before the surge in violence. But, he said, arming the rebels is a possibility, even as officials denied a report that the U.S. had asked Saudi Arabia to provide weapons to the rebels. Other officials noted that arming them would violate a U.N. arms embargo imposed on Libya last week.

"It is one of the range of options that is being considered," Carney said.

Yet he cautioned that many questions remain about what groups make up the rebel forces and whether it would be prudent to arm them. "I think that it would be premature to send a bunch of weapons to a post-office box in eastern Libya," Carney said.

At the State Department, spokesman P.J. Crowley pointed out that arming the rebels would be illegal unless the U.N. arms embargo were modified or lifted.

Hundreds of people have died since Libya's uprising began, although tight restrictions on news media make it nearly impossible to get an accurate tally.

The U.S. and United Nations have imposed sanctions on Gadhafi's regime, and U.S. military forces also have moved closer to Libya's coast to back up demands that Gadhafi step down.

One thing is clear in the fighting: Gadhafi controls the air. In the battles over the weekend, Gahdafi's forces unleashed their strongest use of air power yet in the nearly 3-week-old uprising. A powerful assault by warplanes and helicopter gunships and heavy barrages of artillery, rockets and tank fire drove the opposition forces out of the town of Bin Jawwad, 375 miles east of the capital.

The counteroffensive blunted what had been a steady advance by a force of 500 to 1,000 rebel fighters pushing down the highway along the Mediterranean Sea west toward Tripoli. The rebels were forced back to Ras Lanouf, about 40 miles to the east.

The past three days of fighting killed 30 rebels and wounded 169, said Gebril Hewadi, a doctor at Al-Jalaa Hospital in Benghazi.

The rebels are struggling to set up supply lines for weapons, ammunition and food; many are living on junk food, cookies and cans of tuna. They are waiting for rocket launchers, tanks and other heavy weapons to arrive with reinforcements from their headquarters in the eastern city of Benghazi.

The fighting also appears to have shut down oil operations at Ras Lanouf and the larger nearby oil port of Brega, which were already operating at minimal capacity. Ahmed Jerksi, an oil official at Brega, said that port had stopped working the past few days because all the workers had fled. He and Mustafa Gheriani, an opposition spokesman in Benghazi, said they thought that oil work in Ras Lanouf had stopped as well, but it could not bedirectly confirmed.

Information from McClatchy Newspapers was included in this story.
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Hari Sud » 09 Mar 2011 18:08

The above scenario by Shankar looks more like news reporting from Libya. It is unfolding in TV and newspapers everyday. So what is new?

Story line has to be a bit in the future. Imagine that neither Gadhafi nor the rebels are able to win this civil war, then a scenario is possible about Libyan oilfields unable to produce and the much talked about no fly zone becomes impractical and US is seen as bully who unable to grab the Iraqi oilfields now turns to Libya.

There is no role for India in this conflict in Libya. As US withdraws its fleet from the Indian Ocean for duties opposite Libya, India gets a much bigger role to police the now very volatile Somali coast. Indian Navy chases the pirates away from the shipping lanes of the Indian Ocean and get accolades of praise. Pakistanis run to befriend the Somalis as brother Muslim nation and oppose Indian actions and run into conflict with India and all other nations who have been victims of piracy for the last 10 years.

Also, what I can see from this turmoil in Arab world is that death of Al Qaeda is very near.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Ghatotkacha » 10 Mar 2011 00:54

I personally like whatever Shankar is doing. Please go ahead Shankar. Not only you are entertaining us with your fictional accounts. But also, you are spreading the news of a very important revolution.

I bet because of your work of compiling the news with the much loved fiction, many of us are now more aware whatever is happening is Libya. You are certainly helping to form a public opinion against a ruthless dictator.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby jamwal » 10 Mar 2011 10:35

Squadron Leader Jamwal has been promoted to Group Captain 8)

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 10 Mar 2011 16:07

PRIME MINISTERS OFFICE -NEW DELHI

The soft spoken prime minister of India was under tremendous pressure . The domestic politics of coalition was bad and the worsening military options in Libya made things far worse . He was worried that the indian navy task force getting involved ina long drawn out civil war in the oil rich country like it happened in Sri lanka at the same time presence of large number of Indian in Libya and Indian natioanl interests along with US pressure to get involved in a multi national police force in the region made things very very complex


US Intensifies Military Operations In Libya
Written by Mike Head
Posted: 09 March 2011 12:27


Officially, the Obama administration and Washington’s allies are still drawing up “contingency plans” to intervene in the Libyan crisis. In reality, intensive military and intelligence operations are underway within and around the oil-rich country.

Under the hypocritical banner of stopping “unacceptable violence” against the Libyan people, the US and the European powers are seeking to install a regime in Tripoli that will be even more subordinate to their interests than Muammar Gaddafi’s has proven to be over the past decade.

Unlike its response to the revolutionary movements in Tunisia and Egypt—Obama did not once call for the ouster of Zine El Abidine Ben Ali or Hosni Mubarak and is supporting the retention of their regimes headed by new personnel—the US government has openly called for Gaddafi’s removal.

Washington is doing so in the name of democracy and humanitarian concerns even as it backs, and continues to arm, anti-democratic regimes across the region, notably in Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and Yemen, while they use police-state repression and violence to suppress popular uprisings.

The US is intent on working with top-level defectors from the Gaddafi regime, including those in the opposition interim government in Benghazi, to establish a puppet administration in Libya that will not only protect the substantial oil and gas interests of the US and other Western countries, but also provide a staging post for operations against the revolutionary struggles that are continuing in neighbouring countries.

An indication of the scale of the US-led operation was given by Thom Shanker in the New York Times on Monday. Citing administration officials, he reported: “The latest military force to draw within striking distance of the Libyan capital, Tripoli, is the 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit aboard two amphibious assault ships, the Kearsarge and the Ponce. The unit provides a complete air, sea and land force that can project its power quickly and across hundreds of miles, either from flat-decked ships in the Mediterranean Sea or onto a small beachhead on land.

“In this task force are Harrier jump-jet warplanes, which not only can bomb, strafe and engage in dogfights, but can also carry surveillance pods for monitoring military action on the ground in Libya; attack helicopters; transport aircraft—both cargo helicopters and the fast, long-range Osprey, whose rotors let it lift straight up, then tilt forward like propellers to ferry Marines, doctors, refugees or supplies across the desert—landing craft that can cross the surf anywhere along Libya’s long coastline; and about 400 ground combat troops of the 1st Battalion, 2nd Marines.”

In addition, he explained, “ample” US planes were based in Europe to strike “valued government or military targets” in Libya, and the aircraft carrier Enterprise and its strike group were “carefully sailing” up the Red Sea, bound for the Mediterranean. Other options being prepared included inserting Special Operations teams to assist the opposition forces, as was done in both Afghanistan and Iraq before the US-led invasions of 2001 and 2003.

Shanker said the expedition was initially being presented as a humanitarian one, helping to airlift international refugees from Libya, but had an unmistakeable objective. “The flotilla can be seen as a modern-day example of ‘gunboat diplomacy’—intended to embolden rebels and shake the confidence of loyalist forces and mercenaries, perhaps even inspiring a palace coup.”

Speaking from the Oval Office in the White House yesterday, President Barack Obama delivered his most explicit statement yet about using military force to oust the Gaddafi regime. He declared: “We’ve got NATO, as we speak, consulting in Brussels around a wide range of potential options, including potential military options, in response to the violence that continues to take place inside of Libya.”

Addressing reporters after a meeting with Australian Prime Minister Julia Gillard, he said the two countries “stand shoulder to shoulder” in sending “a very clear message to the Libyan people that we will stand with them.” The Australian government had already publicly called for


military intervention, via the imposition of a “no-fly zone”.

Behind the scenes, US and European military and intelligence operations are proceeding apace, as evidenced by the embarrassing detention of eight members of the UK’s Special Air Service (SAS) in Benghazi last Friday, and the earlier capture of Dutch marines by forces loyal to the Gaddafi regime.

Robert Fisk, the Independent’s veteran Middle East correspondent, yesterday reported that US AWACS surveillance aircraft had been flying around Libya, tracking Libyan planes, including Gaddafi’s private jet, for several days. On Sunday night, Al Jazeera television broadcast recordings made by American aircraft to Maltese air traffic control requesting details of Gaddafi’s plane. On Monday, NATO announced that the AWACS mission had been extended to 24 hours a day.

Fisk also reported that the US had asked Saudi Arabia to supply arms to the opposition council in Benghazi, starting with anti-tank rockets and mortars, and then ground-to-air missiles to shoot down Libyan fighter-bombers. Fisk noted that “their assistance would allow Washington to disclaim any military involvement in the supply chain—even though the arms would be American and paid for by the Saudis.”
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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 10 Mar 2011 22:56

INS HANSA -INDIAN NAVAL AIR STATION –DABOLIM – DESSERT COBRA FLIGHT- 4 X MIG 29K

- Scramble –scramble-scramble, blared the public address system in the underground blast pen and the fully kitted pilots jumped up from their cots and streaked towards the near by neatly parked air craft already pre armed and fuelled. They were all lightly armed just a pair of RVV –AE AND R-74 mk2 apart from obligatory 150 rounds of ammo in in the Gsh-30-6 cannon.

Lt commander Dipak knew the drill well after almost daily practice after their return from Russia . After a straight out departure over ocean they will come under control of the Phalcon air battle commander and vectored in to whatever unidentified aircraft/ship the commander fancied ,visually identify and then return to base .One mid air re fuelling may also be factored in just to make the sortie interesting .

The air frame of Indian navy Mig 29K/KUB fighters features a high degree of commonality with the production aircraft that have seen service with indian air force for many decades. However the new aircraft features a number of considerable diffrences as well. The wing .wing high lift devices, take off and landing devices and fuselage nose sections have been extensively modified. A drastically improved KSU 941 digital quadruple fly by wire control system made by MNPK Avionika company is used for controlling the aircraft in flight in all the three axes .It has improved flight safety considerably particularly in the limits of combat flight envelope. The fuselage nose section of Mig29K/KUB is communalized with the common two seat cockpit canopy offering the crew good visibility in all directions with the front seat pilots view increased by 16 degree. The rear seat of Mig 29k is occupied by an extra fuel tank .The crew uses a modified Zvezda K-36D -3.5 class 0-0 ejection seats. The seat is an improved variation of production K-36DM seats which equips most of Russian combat aircraft and stated to feature a very high degree of ejection reliability.

- tower – dessert cobra flight – request permission to start taxi – over
- dessert cobra lead –tower – you are cleared to taxi-use taxi way bravo alpha alpha zulu –contact tower when in take off position – you have priority for take off-be advised two commercial flights low on fuel coming in – over
- copy that tower –cleared for taxi – have priority for take off – expect two commercial inbounds – over


In terms of general shape span profile folding system fuell cell configuration and number of hard points the wing of Indian navy fulcrums is similar to Mig29k prototype aircraft 9-31 tested on board Admiral Kuznetsov carrier during 1989-91.Most of its peculiraties are due to modifications to design and area of flap and leading edge slats and to the introduction of moving vortex plates on the leading edge root extension.

- 9W 343 you are cleared to land on runway 09 L –
- Dabolim tower – 9W 343 – 2500 ft – sink rate 500 ft/min – on final approach –over
- IT3454 –Dabolim tower – you are second in que for landing –descend to 3000 ft –await final landing clearance –over
- Tower –IT 3454 – reducing altitude to 3000 ft – awaiting final landing clearance
- Dessert cobra flight confirmyou are ready for take off –expect take off clearance in 05 minutes
- Tower –dessert cobra lead – moving into take off position in 04 minutes –over
- 9W 343 clear runway when able-contact ground on frequency 112.3 –over
- Tower -W343 –off main runway –contacting ground on frequency 112.3 –over
- IT 3454 –you have clearance to land on runway 09L – over
- Tower –IT 3454 – cleared to land –rate of descent 350 ft per minute – on final approach


The Mig 29K s two slot flaps have an increased chord and area. The two section slats have their deflection angle beefed up from 20 to 30 degree. with continuous automatic in flight slat control introduced. The slats are controlled together with flaps and stabilizers depending on angle of attack and mach number. The leading edge root extension vortex plates extend only during landing and retracted during flight making up the lower edge of leading edge root extension. But during landing they are extended virtually parallel to air flow and generate additional vortexes that enhance lift and reduce aircraft oscillation when on final glide path

- IT 3454 –exit runway when able
- Dessert cobra flight – cleared to move into take off position
- Tower –dessert cobra lead – ready for take off
- Dessert cobra lead –stand by
- Dessert cobra two –lead – follow me on min interval
- Copy that lead –dessert cobra two
- Dessert cobra lead –tower – flight cleared for immediate take off – fly runway heading –climb to 5000 meters – contact ocean watch for intercept vector –authentication code is violet sea repeat violet sea – additional security protocois in place –over
- Tower – dessert cobra lead – cleared for take off – climbing to 5000 meters – contact ocean watch for intercept vector – authentication code is violet sea – understand additional security procedure in place.- rolling now

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby pragnya » 11 Mar 2011 10:18

shankar sir,

as always you are on a song. love your writting skills and creative depth.

i have always been wanting to know this which luckily you brought up in your post which i quote -

The mule kick of full afterburner take off hit him even before the flanker started accelerating like a leopard in heat ,eating out the 8000 ft runway very quickly – the ground vibration started getting less and less as the massive wings started acquiring lift and very soon it was time to rotate ,to put the nose to sky and climb into sky and into battles that lay ahead.


the answer i need is for the bolded part. i have read that in some other article also. what exactly is done to get airborne at that final moment?? what does rotate mean?? does it mean both pitch and yaw is activated for a split second??

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 11 Mar 2011 15:43

( Pragnya let me try explain to the best of my understanding

- Rotate is the action a pilot initiates as he approaches requisite minimum safe take off indicated air speed is reached .This depends on the total weight of the aircraft ,air temperature,type of aircraft ,obstructions around the runway etc.
Vr or rotate is the speed at which pilot initiates the actual take off procedure that is climbing into air from runway by bringing the nose of the aircraft up to a particular angle or pitching up as you have said so that the nose wheel comes off the runway and aircraft comes physically into a climb configuration . This is done by applying a controlled back pressure on the control column and checked on the artificial horizon display on the main multi function display console of the Su-30 mki.The artificial horizon is that part of the console where half is chocolate and half is blue when the aircraft is level and essentially indicates the attitude of the aircraft at all times .

The Vr or rotate speed for Su-30 MKI is I think approximately 230 -240 kmph at ambient temperature of 40degree C on dry runway and with full combat load

There are unconfirmed reports and I believe them that our flankers can actually reduce the Vr threshold by judicious use of thrust vectoring capability of the engine )

V1 is the speed at which the pilot is commited for take off - any take off abort in excess of this speed is dangerous as the tyres may burst and aircraft go out of control on ground
Vr-indicated air speed at which the nose is pitched up and and aircraft gets into take off attitude
V2 safe take off speed ,is usually just over Vr . As the nose of the aircraft pitches up and the weight of the aircraft shift to (nett weight total weight minus lift) is actually achieved by the time the aircraft nose reached the take off angle since the aircraft is accelerating all the time even when the nose is turning skyward ) so Vr is followed by V2 more or less seamlessly

Sorry guys for this interruption -we can always discuss this issue further in flanker thread

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 14 Mar 2011 20:56

PN FLIGHT SEA TERROR – 2XP-3 ORION – MID ARABIAN SEA

The pair or Orions flew high and flew quite .Very close to each other with barely 50 ft vertical separation and less than 200 ft horizontal separation it just about beat the long range maximum resolution of Indian Phalcons though flying in such close formation was a risky business.But the pilots were some of the best in Pakistan navy and they flew with calm confidence of experience of many hundreds of hours of practice some under direct supervision of US navy instructors.

From Naval Air Station Jacksonville Public Affairs
JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (NNS) -- The U.S. Navy transferred two P-3 Orion aircraft to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan in a ceremony at Naval Air Station Jacksonville, Fla., April 30 as part of the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) Program.

"It is indeed a pleasure for me to take part in this elegant ceremony to receive the first upgraded P-3C aircraft for the Pakistani Navy," said Husain Haqqani, Pakistan ambassador to the United States. "This represents the expanding strategic partnership between Pakistan and the United State and will fill an important gap in our country's maritime security by helping us more effectively monitor sea lanes and provide for maritime traffic in the Arabian Sea."

By 2012, the Pakistan Navy will receive a total of eight P-3C aircraft as part of the program. All eight aircraft were procured from the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group (AMARG) and are being upgraded with modern mission systems and avionics, which will provide Pakistan the capability to conduct maritime patrol in littoral and deep-water environments.

"The induction of the P-3C aircraft into the Pakistan Navy will ensure terrorists, pirates and drug traffickers are unable to use our maritime borders for infiltration and other illegal activities," said Haqqani.

Brig. Gen. Thomas Masiello, deputy assistant secretary of state for plans, programs and operations, Bureau of Political-Military Affairs, served as the senior U.S. official at the ceremony and addressed the audience, full of military, industry and civic leaders.

"Let us remember that the friendship between the United States and Pakistan is not an unbalanced one. Pakistan is a major non-NATO ally that has strongly supported the United States after the attack by Al Qaeda on September 11, 2001," said Masiello. "Now, nearly nine years later, Pakistan commands the multinational coalition of Combined Task Force 150 in its maritime security operations to interdict extremists and support Operation Iraqi Freedom and Operation Enduring Freedom. Pakistan's stability and prosperity are in the best interest of people everywhere. Our countries' futures are intertwined – so now, more than ever, their struggles are our struggles."

The United States is fully committed to a stable, long-term strategic partnership with a democratic Pakistan-one based on shared interests and mutual respect that will continue to expand and deepen in future years. The United States and Pakistan share a common goal of a stable and secure South Asia region.

The Pakistan Navy is a critical partner nation in Coalition Maritime Forces operations and fully supports cooperative strategies in the U.S. Central Command Area of Responsibility.


The P-3 has an internal bomb bay under the front fuselage which can house conventional Mark 50 torpedoes or Mark 46 torpedoes and/or special (nuclear) weapons. Additional underwing stations, or pylons, can carry other armament configurations including the AGM-84 Harpoon, AGM-84E SLAM, AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER, the AGM-65 Maverick, 127 millimeters (5 in) Zuni rockets, and various other sea mines, missiles, and gravity bombs. The aircraft also had the capability to carry the AGM-12 Bullpup guided missile until that weapon was withdrawn from U.S./NATO/Allied service.
The P-3 is equipped with a Magnetic Anomaly Detector (MAD) in the tail. This instrument is able to detect the magnetic anomaly generated by a submarine in the Earth's magnetic field. The limited range of this instrument requires the aircraft to be overhead or very close to the submarine. Because of this it is primarily is used for pinpointing the location of a submarine prior to a torpedo attack. Due to the incredibly sensitive nature of the detector, electro-magnetic noise can interfere with its operation. For this reason, the detector is placed in P-3's distinct tail stinger or "MAD boom", far away from rest of the electronics on the aircraft.
Once on station, one engine is often shut down (usually the No. 1 engine - the port outer engine) to conserve fuel and extend the time aloft and/or range when at low level. On occasion, both outboard engines can be shut down, weight, weather, and fuel permitting. Long deep-water, coastal or border patrol missions can last over 10 hours and may include extra crew. The record time aloft for a P-3 is 21.5 hours, undertaken by the Royal New Zealand Air Force's No. 5 Squadron in 1972.
Engine 1 is the primary candidate for loiter shutdown because uniquely it has no generator, and provides no electrical power. Eliminating the exhaust from engine 1 also improves visibility from the aft observer station on the port side of the aircraft.
Today the Orion flight had one simple objective – destroy /damage Jalshava in a surprise attack so that they are not in a position to affect the outcome of Libyan revolution in any significant way . The price –the gratitude of a rich dictator.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Ghatotkacha » 14 Mar 2011 22:39

Shankar I like it when you are not predictable ...er.. your story is not predictable :)

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Postby Shankar » 15 Mar 2011 21:58

Pro-Gadhafi Forces Launch Another Strike on Ajdabiya

Forces loyal to Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi have launched another airstrike on the rebel-held eastern town of Ajdabiya, moving closer to the rebel's main stronghold of Benghazi.

Witnesses said Tuesday's aerial bombings hit the town's western edge. The French news agency says at least one fighter was killed in the assault.

Pro-Gadhafi forces bombed Ajdabiya on Monday while also targeting the western coastal town of Zuwarah, some 120 kilometers west of Tripoli. Zuwarah is one of the few western towns that rebels were able to seize when their revolt began a month ago.

There is confusion about which side is in control of the oil port of Brega. Late reports Monday said a rebel force has retaken the town's residential district, with pro-Gadhafi forces controlling its oil facilities.

The lightly armed and poorly organized opposition fighters have not been able to stop the advance of the Libyan army with its aircraft, tanks and heavy weapons. Over the past week, the rebel advance to the west has been pushed back nearly 200 kilometers.

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Postby Shankar » 15 Mar 2011 22:00

DESSERT COBRA FLIGHT – 4 X MIG 29K – MID ARABIAN SEA – AERIAL REFUELLING IN PROGRESS FROM IL 78 MKI

- Dessert cobra – Indian oil one - 1 and 2 disconnect – 3 and four stand by for a fill up
The soft voice of boom operator came over scramble frequency and lt commander Deepak nudged the throttle back and watched the refueling hose drift past the canopy .Air speed 510 kmph- altitude 8000 meters and his level just below the tail section of massive IL-78 .His was the first to refuel and soon his wingman drifted out also as he initiated a gradual descent and a comfortable vertical speed of 200 meters per minute as his wingman formed up on him.
- dessert cobra 3 and four – lead –you are cleared to approach Indian oil one – over
- copy that lead – lining up – now

Deepak checked his instruments once again as he wait for the other two fulcrums to get their top up. It does not take long .At 6000 liter/min transfer rate both 3 and 4 is full in less than 4 minutes and they drift down smoothly
- Indian oil one –thanks –
- Welcome dessert cobra flight – always happy to be of service
came the smart ass reply from the young operator on board Midas as the hose retracted slowly into the refueling pod and the lumbering tanker lighter by quite a few tons of aviation turbine fuel began a slow turn south east .
The four Mig 29k s get into a close box formation with two individual finger tip formation forming the two sides of the box.
- dessert flight –lead – make heading 310 and confirm
- copy lead -2 3 4 – came in the quick confirmations

Deepak porpoise his aircraft a signal to others to get into tactical formation and in one smooth movement pushed the throttle to full military power. The flight reposition at 250 meter vertical and 500 meter horizontal separation as the air speed increases rapidly to 850 kmph.
The day was clear and visibility over 60 kms .The reflection of sun from ocean below creates a mirage like illusion. The surface temperature is close to 40C but inside the air conditioned cockpit the temperature is comfortable 24degree C. Deepak activates the data link console and types in pre loaded authentication code and request for target update. It comes in less than 20 seconds.
- 2 P-3 possibly armed with anti ship harpoon – you are cleared to engage if bandits continue in present course – good hunting –over
Deepak looks over the message twice before keying in the re transmit button and the message flashed on the multi functional main display of the other 3 fulcrums.
It was time to go combat mode
- delta Charlie 2 3 4 – go zebra – on my count – 3 21 now
As he pushed the control stick forward the agile aircraft nosed down vertically diving for the oceans surface followed by other three .Air speed touching 900 km km /hr – power down a notch – altitude 200 meters – level out – air speed 850 –reform – altitude 100 meters over seal level
- dessert 3 2 4 lead – execute zebra strike – not weapons free yet – repeat not weapons free – target in 0 7 minutes –over
- executing zebra strike – delta Charlie 2 3 4

The four Mig 29K s streaked over ocean surface smoothly accelerating past the sonic barrier as they lit their afterburners and then rocketed upwards at supersonic speed – their powerful radars still on stand by mode – weapon arm switch on air to air mode –master arm switch still off.

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Postby Shankar » 16 Mar 2011 23:27

IAF FLIGHT OCEAN WATCH – 1 X A 50 EI + 4XSU-30 MKI - SOME WHERE IN ARABIAN SEA

Wing commander Roshan on the incoming message icon which have been blinking for the last 5 seconds . It could from only two sources air headquarters or prime ministers office . Today he expected it to be from air headquarters and expected it to be some kind of intelligence update on the quickly developing possible conflict situation with the Pakistani Orion

While the P-3 Orion and Harpoon missile orders are separate deals, the Harpoon is the Orion’s critical surface warfare capability. A P-3 without Harpoon missiles is a patrol aircraft and a threat to submarines. One with Harpoon missiles can become a threat to any surface ship within the wide arc of its range – which in Pakistan’s case extends to the Strait of Hormuz, and across a wide swathe of the Indian Ocean.
Oct 22/10: Lockheed Martin Corp. in Eagan, MN receives a $7.3 million contract modification for indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity services in support of the Pakistan Navy’s 7-plane P-3C upgrade program. Support to be provided includes labor, aircraft hangar costs, and acoustic receiver technical refresh program report resolution.
Work will be performed in Greenville, SC (80%), and Eagan, MN (20%), and is expected to be complete in November 2011. The US Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division in Lakehurst, NJ manages this contract (N00019-06-D-0012).
June 1/10: The first 2 refurbished P-3Cs are inducted at PNS Mehran, Karach, Pakistan. All 8 aircraft are scheduled to arrive by 2012.
The US Embassy in Pakistan adds that over the last 3 years, U.S. civilian and security assistance to Pakistan has totaled more than $4 billion. It has included civilian aid, as well as 14 F-16 fighter aircraft, 10 Mi-17 helicopters, 2 Bell 412EP helicopters, 5 fast patrol boats, 115 M109 self-propelled Howitzers, more than 450 vehicles for Pakistan’s Frontier Corps, hundreds of night vision goggles, day/night scopes, radios, and thousands of protective vests and first-aid items for Pakistan’s security forces.
May 24/10: Small business qualifier American Valley Aviation, Inc. in Orange Park, FL receives a $5.5 million firm-fixed-price contract to refurbish wing and weapons bay pylons in support of the Pakistan Navy P-3 upgrade program, and includes the addition of digital stores management systems for Pakistan’s 7 P-3 aircraft.
Work will be performed in Orange Park, FL, and is expected to be complete in September 2011. This contract was not competitively procured, pursuant to FAR 6.302-4, by the US Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division in Lakehurst, NJ (N68335-10-C-0244).
April 30/10: The U.S. Navy formally transfers 2 P-3Cs to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan, who accepts them in a ceremony at Naval Air Station Jacksonville, FL. US Navy.
Jan 7/10: Lockheed Martin delivers the 2nd upgraded Pakistani P-3C, at the Naval Air Station in Jacksonville, FL, for subsequent transfer to Pakistan. Lockheed Martin delivered the first plane in October 2009. Lockheed Martin.
Dec 23/09: Lockheed Martin Corp. in Eagan, MN receives a $34.2 million modification to a previously awarded indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity contract, adding funding for Pakistani P-3C mission system spares.
Work will be performed in Eagan, MN (75%), Oldsmar, FL (20%), and Manassas, VA (5%), and is expected to be complete in September 2011. The Naval Air Warfare Center Aircraft Division in Lakehurst, NJ manages this contract (N00019-06-D-0012).
Nov 23/09: Lockheed Martin Corp. in Eagan, MN receives a $4.4 million modification to a previously awarded indefinite-delivery/ indefinite-quantity contract (N00019-06-D-0012) to upgrade 7 P-3C aircraft for the government of Pakistan under the Foreign Military Sales program. This modification will replace the airplanes’ obsolete and unsustainable avionics systems with modern equipment.
Work will be performed in Eagan, MN (70%), and Greenville, SC (30%), and is expected to be complete in February 2013. The Naval Air Warfare Center in Lakehurst, NJ

The P-3 has an internal bomb bay under the front fuselage which can house conventional Mark 50 torpedoes or Mark 46 torpedoes and/or special (nuclear) weapons. Additional underwing stations, or pylons, can carry other armament configurations including the AGM-84 Harpoon, AGM-84E SLAM, AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER, the AGM-65 Maverick, 5 in (127 mm) Zuni rockets, and various other sea mines, missiles, and gravity bombs. The aircraft also had the capability to carry the AGM-12 Bullpup guided missile

Pakistan Navy - ~10 P-3C; based in Naval aviation base Faisal, Karachi. Upgraded P-3C MPA and P-3B AEW models (equipped with Hawkeye 2000 AEW system) ordered in
2006, first upgraded P-3C delivered in early 2007.
On 2 August 1990, Iraq invaded Kuwait and was poised to strike Saudi Arabia. Within forty-eight hours of the initial invasion, U.S. Navy P-3C aircraft were the first American forces to arrive in the area. One was a modified platform with a prototype system known as "Outlaw Hunter." Undergoing trials in the Pacific after being developed by the Navy’s Space & Naval Warfare Systems Command, "Outlaw Hunter" was testing a specialized over-the-horizon targeting (OTH-T) system package when it responded. Within hours of the start of the coalition air campaign, "Outlaw Hunter" detected a large number of Iraqi patrol boats and naval vessels attempting to move from Basra and Umm Qasr to Iranian waters. "Outlaw Hunter" vectored in strike elements which attacked the flotilla near Bubiyan Island destroying 11 vessels and damaging scores more. During Desert Shield, a P-3 using infrared imaging detected a ship with Iraqi markings beneath freshly painted bogus Egyptian markings trying to avoid detection. Several days before the 7 January 1991 commencement of Operation Desert Storm, a P-3C equipped with an APS-137 Inverse Synthetic Aperture Radar (ISAR) conducted coastal surveillance along Iraq and Kuwait to provide pre-strike reconnaissance on enemy military installations. A total of 55 of the 108 Iraqi vessels destroyed during the conflict were targeted by P-3C aircraft.[13]
The P-3 Orion's mission expanded in the late 1990s and early 2000s to include battlespace surveillance both at sea and over land. The long range and long loiter time of the P-3 Orion have proved to be an invaluable asset during Operation Iraqi Freedom. It can instantaneously provide information about the battlespace P-3C featured Texas Instruments AN/APS-115 radar, Litton LN-72 INS en CAI KA-74A photo camera's, later replaced by retractable FLIR system and new 64kB (!) central computer. P-3C Update I was released april 1974, followed by P-3C Update II (with Sperry Univac AN/ASQ-114 data processor, AN/ALQ-77 ESM and provisions for AN/ALQ-78 pod and new AN/ASA-64 MAD. The P-3C Update II.5 had more reliable navigation and communications equipment (24 a/c built), while the P-3C Update III was equipped with new acoustic processor, sonobuoy receiver, AGM-84 Harpoon and improved APU (50 a/c delivered). The P-3C Update IIIR was applied to updated older P-3C's. P-3C-II¾ is an export variant of the Update III for the Pakistan Navy. Three aircraft were built for anti-ship missions and were equipped with Harpoon missiles and with an APS-134 radar

Roshan read thru the data linked message quickly and forwarded to the air battle commander .It was not for him to act on the priority confidential information but knew it will have a definite veering on the way the coming intercept mission will be carried out,

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 18 Mar 2011 14:21

U.N. Clears Way for Attack on Libya
U.S., Europe Ready to Launch Air Strikes Against Gadhafi Forces; Rebels' Worsening Plight Jolts White House to Act

By JAY SOLOMON, ADAM ENTOUS And JOE LAURIA

The United Nations Security Council authorized military force Thursday against Libyan leader Col. Moammar Gadhafi's security forces, opening the way for European and U.S. airstrikes within days.The U.N. action, pushed aggressively by France and the U.K., came as Col. Gadhafi's security forces continued their assault toward Benghazi, the de-facto capital of rebels trying to end his 42-year rule.

European and American officials argued on the Security Council floor that an international campaign to stop Col. Gadhafi's forces was required immediately to stave off a potential massacre of opposition forces and civilians. French officials have indicated that military strikes could take place within hours of the resolution's passage. Others were more cautious about how quickly any attacks would begin.

In Benghazi, the rebel administration unleashed fireworks over the harbor seconds after the U.N. vote, and in the eastern port city of Tobruq, tracer bullet volleys lit up the sky as boats in the harbor blew their horns.

Col. Gadhafi, shortly before the vote, said his troops would launch an all-out assault in the coming hours against rebels and members of the opposition in Benghazi even if the whole world opposed him.

Ten members of the Security Council voted for the imposition of a no-fly zone in Libya and other security measures, with no members opposing the resolution. Russia, China, Germany, India and Brazil abstained.

The resolution authorized other nations to board ships and planes to enforce an existing arms embargo on Libya, and approved "all necessary measures" to protect Libyan civilians from Col. Gadhafi's security forces.

U.N. members, aware of the sensitivity such a military campaign could have in a Muslim country, stressed that there would be no foreign military occupation of Libya—an outcome that is barred by the resolution.

"Our resolution is aimed to protect Libyan civilians," said Lebanon's ambassador to the U.N., Nawaf Salam, a central player in the drafting of the resolution. "It will not result in the occupation of even an inch of Libyan territory."

The assertive U.S. posture marked a turnaround from the early days of the month-old Libyan crisis, when President Barack Obama's administration, and particularly his defense advisers, seemed reluctant to embrace military action.
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The president appeared to be facing two unpleasant possibilities: adding a third military commitment to the wars already under way in Afghanistan and Iraq, or watching Col. Gadhafi defeat—perhaps brutally—a rebellion sparked by regional pro-democracy uprisings.

U.S. officials said military action was preferable out of fear that, should Col. Gadhafi remain in power, he would slaughter those who had turned against him and perhaps return to supporting international terrorism.

"If Gadhafi stays, he will do terrible things to Libya and her neighbors," Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said during a visit Thursday to Tunisia, Libya's neighbor to the west. "It's in his nature—there are some creatures who are like that."

European and U.S. officials said military operations could begin quickly, as fear increased that Col. Gadhafi could move aggressively to retake Benghazi.

After the U.N. vote, President Obama spoke by telephone to British Prime Minister David Cameron and French President Nicolas Sarkozy. The White House said the leaders agreed to coordinate closely on next steps.

France has been the most aggressive in seeking to contest Col. Gadhafi and Paris's military forces are expected to play a central, and early role in enforcing the no-fly zone and taking other actions, European and American officials said.

U.S. forces are also expected to take an important part in the operation, but the White House is wary of being seen as the driving force behind any military actions.

U.S. officials said they believed Col. Ghadafi's air defenses and ground forces would be easy targets for air strikes, creating a buffer zone to protect Benghazi. hey're no match," one U.S. official said of the Libyan army.

The Pentagon, ahead of the U.N. vote, was already fine-tuning military options for "serious" strikes against ground and air targets should the White House order them, said U.S. defense officials.

The U.S. has enough planes and other military assets in place to begin strikes almost immediately, a defense official said.

Options included using cruise missiles to take out fixed Libyan military sites and air-defense systems, according to these officials. Manned and unmanned aircraft could also be used against Col. Gadhafi's tanks, personnel carriers and infantry positions, with sorties being flown out of U.S. and North Atlantic Treaty Organization bases in the southern Mediterranean.

"There is significant, serious planning going on right now," a U.S. official said. The options would be "more aggressive than a show of force."

U.S. officials have said there are no plans to insert U.S. ground forces into Libya. U.S. military officials say it would be counterproductive to send Western ground forces, even in small numbers, into Benghazi because it would fuel perceptions that the U.S. and its allies were invading an Arab state.

Official reaction in Libya to the U.N. resolution was confused—showing possible rifts within the regime. State media broadcast an announcement attributed to a Libyan military official saying any airstrikes against the country's forces would be met with attacks against maritime and air traffic in the Mediterranean. In a media briefing later, Deputy Foreign Minister Khalid Kaim dismissed the threat, and downplayed threats by Col. Gadhafi to attack Benghazi.

Mr. Kaim said Libya had informed the U.N. special envoy to Tripoli Abdel-Ilah Khatib on Wednesday that it was ready to implement a ceasefire "immediately" but needed "to talk to someone to agree on the technicalities of this decision."

Celebratory gunfire erupted in eastern Libya after satellite TV channels reported the approval of the Security Council resolution, with rebel supporting chanting "God is Great" and the Arab revolutions' slogan, "The People Want the Downfall of the Regime." n Tobruq, hopes were high for a quick turnaround of the war, in which rebel forces sustained a series of painful setbacks in recent days. "This was an excellent decision—it marks the end for Gadhafi," said Ahmad Muftah Mohammad, a 25-year-old revolutionary volunteer in Tobruq.

"I give Gadhafi a maximum of two days," said a fellow rebel, 17-year-old Ashraf Farhat Jawad.

The U.N. vote passed narrowly, as nine votes are required with no vetoes by any of the permanent members of the Security Council.
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Postby Shankar » 18 Mar 2011 14:23

osted on Friday, March 18, 2011 2:38:20 PM by marthemaria

The Agence France Presse news agency is reporting that the French government has said military action against Libya will come within "hours".

The strikes will come "rapidly... within a few hours," government spokesman Francois Baroin reportedly told RTL radio after the UN Security Council cleared the way for air strikes by approving "all necessary measures" to impose a no-fly zone on Libya.

"The French, who led the calls [for action], will of course be consistent with military intervention," Mr Baroin added.

Asked to specify what that meant, he said "they will participate" in operations.

However, the UK and US have played down the prospect of immediate action, with NATO heads to meet tonight to discuss their options.

Mr Baroin said the goal of the military action would be to "protect the Libyan people and to allow them to go all the way in their drive for freedom, which means bringing down the Gaddafi regime."

The United Nations authorised military strikes to protect Libyan civilians and curb leader Moamar Gaddafi's forces this morning, hours after Mr Gaddafi threatened to storm the rebel bastion of Benghazi.

It approved a resolution permitting "all necessary measures" to impose a no-fly zone, protect civilian areas and impose a ceasefire on government forces.

Diplomats have indicated that air strikes from a coalition led by Britain, France and the United States could be imminent. However, the resolution rules out sending in foreign ground troops.

Canada has offered the use of its bases and the British government will be holding a cabinet meeting later today to decide what to do.

Norway's defence minister Grete Faremo has confirmed his country will also contribute to the operation, but says: "It is too early to say exactly in what way. Sending air capabilities would be natural".

In response to the UN's resolution, Mr Gaddafi's son Saif said his family was "not afraid".

"We are in our country and with our people. And we are not afraid," he told ABC America from the Libyan capital Tripoli.

"We will not be afraid. Come on! We will not be afraid. I mean, you are not helping to the people if you are going to bomb Libya, to kill Libyans. You destroy our country. Nobody is happy with that."

Earlier the news of the Security Council resolution was greeted with wild celebrations in the remaining rebel strongholds of Libya, with crowds in Benghazi and Tobruk swarming into the streets to chant slogans, wave flags, fire weapons and let off fireworks.

As rebel fighters in Benghazi readied themselves for an assault by Mr Gaddafi's forces, the Libyan dictator broadcast a chilling warning to the city, saying his forces would be there by "tonight" and would show "no mercy" to the "rats and dogs" ranged against them.

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Postby Shankar » 18 Mar 2011 14:31

Colonel Gaddafi threatened retaliatory attacks on passenger aircraft in the Mediterranean last night if foreign countries launched air strikes against Libya.

“Any foreign military act” would expose “all air and maritime traffic in the Mediterranean Sea” as targets for a counter attack, the Libyan regime said.

The warning was issued after America formally backed a joint British and French initiative for a no-fly zone over Libya and other military action against Col Gaddafi’s regime.

Amid growing international concern at the deteriorating situation in the country, the first bombing raids, possibly by unmanned drones, could happen as early as today. There were reports last night that the first attacks would be unilateral actions by British and French air forces with logistical support from Arab states.

The United Nations was meeting to discuss the plan as Col Gaddafi’s troops massed on the outskirts of Benghazi, the last stronghold of rebel fighters. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... -loom.html

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Postby Shankar » 18 Mar 2011 14:33

Libya Shuts Air Space Ahead Of No-Fly Action
Libya has closed its air space to all traffic in a move seen to thwart the United Nation's imposition of a no-fly zone over the country. The closure of Libyan air space was announced by Europe's air navigation organisation, Eurocontrol.

The news comes amid reports of Libyan forces bombing the western town of Misratah.

Saif Gaddafi, the son of dictator Muammar Gaddafi, also said "anti-terror" forces will be sent into Benghazi to disarm rebel forces in the eastern Libyan city.

Meanwhile military action to implement the no-fly zone will commence within "hours" according to French government spokesman Francois Baroin.

Baroin said the goal of the military action would be to "protect the Libyan people and to allow them to go all the way in their drive for freedom, which means bringing down the Gaddafi regime."

Saif Gaddafi said his family was "not afraid" but warned foreign air strikes would kill civilians.

"We will not be afraid. I mean, you are not helping the people if you are going to bomb Libya, to kill Libyans. You destroy our country. Nobody is happy with that."

The 15-member UN Security Council voted on Thursday night to undertake the no-fly zone to protect the people of Libya.

General Lord Dannatt told Sky News: "There has to be a strategic objective and it is clear to get rid of the Gaddafi regime."

"This must be a very broad-based coalition of interests that removes Gaddafi."

Qatar has announced that it will take part in international operations to help the Libyan people.

Numerous EU states have voiced support for the no-fly zone to prevent regime troops attacking rebels, however Germany has refused to be involved in any military action.

Turkey has called for an immediate ceasefire and said it opposes foreign intervention.http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World- ... /201103315

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Postby manish.rastogi » 19 Mar 2011 22:37

shankar da...just out of curiousity!would you like to tell what do you do for living,if you dont mind??

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Postby Shankar » 19 Mar 2011 23:50

Manish - no problem -quote a few of BRfites know me in person -chemical engineer specializing in cryogenic systems and equipment as used in industry space , power reactors .food freezing, and some other applications

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Postby manish.rastogi » 20 Mar 2011 00:04

that seems to be interesting from technical point of view....thanks and please continue your awesome scenario!

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Postby Shankar » 20 Mar 2011 23:52

DESSERT COBRA FLIGHT – 4 X MIG 29K – MID ARABIAN SEA

The RD33MK engines roared smoothly as the four fulcrums rushed over the waves .It was instrument flying at its best – no horizon reference except that displayed on the display ,barely 39 meters from the fluorescent wave tops of a dark ocean – there was simply no chance of a mistake one wrong nudge and one of them may be more will hit the ocean and braek up immediately on impact . A nudge in the wrong direction and the mission will be exposed and may complicate the scenario many fold with possible intervention of Pakistani F-16 s from Karachi very quickly. The idea was to take out the valuable naval assets fast and precisely –without any data going back to Pakistani naval air command .They will know what happened to their valuable assets but will have no proof –which will lie buried below millions of tons of salt water for ever.The RD-33MK engine was specifically developed for Indian navy fulcrums though later on it became a base line model for a generation of combat aircraft including MIG 35.The RD-33MK has newly designed fan and a new combustion chamber turbine and nozzle blades.In the process the thrust increased from 8300 to 9000 kgf in full afterburning mode and from 5040 kgf to 5400kgf in non afterburning operation.specific fuel consumption stayed at same value of 0.77 kg/kgf per hour or roughly 6500 kg/hr in full afterburner . During normal cruise it was much lower close to 4000 kg/hr at full military power at medium cruise altitude. The conversion of RD 33 to RD 33 MK started in 2001 under the contract for delivery of Mig29k .Owing to higher air flow and higher turbine inlet temperature the power of the RD33MK could be increased by 7% . The change in certain design features also improved the service life to 4000 hrs .New systems to reduce thermal as well as optical signature have been introduced.In short about about 45% of RD-33MK is different from RD33 engines. The engine is also equipped with full authority digital engine control features while retaining the earlier base line model advantages like lack of piloting limitations and high level of stability to external perterburations.. Some of them were also equipped with thrust vectoring features .The axis symmetric exhaust device with the swivel of nozzles supersonic part ensures all angle deflection of thrust vector.This also happens to be worlds only axis symmetric all aspect nozzle that does noot have any limitation on any flight mode including full afterburning.

Deepak leaned forward and programmed the radar to search from 3000 meter s and up , he knew his wing man would have done the same for 3000 meters down while both had their radars still on stand by mode . The message blinker came on and acknowledged it

-dessert cobra lead –ocean watch – you are cleared for engagement –repeat cleared for engagement in close quarters – you are weapons free repeat you are weapons free

Deepak acknowledged the message on screen simply by pressing on pre selected number and looked out to see his wing man separating out and get into a shallow climb to a missile launch position .He did the same by a slight pull on the stick and the graceful aircraft eased upwards without a check on air speed .In the same movement he first adjusted the trim one last time ,switched the master arm on and then selected air to air mode on the attack mode selector .
His radar warning receiver started growling and he knew he has been detected by the search radar of the Orion – no point of any hesitation now he knew as quickly pushed up the miniature circuit breaker making his radar go active and at the same time energized the VHF secure link to his flight

-Dessert cobra 2 –lead- execute plan alpha delta zero zero zero –over
- lead – 2 – executing – now
- 321 –weapons away –came the voice of his wingman


Deepak squinted his eyes as the tw0 R-77 missiles dropped down and ignited their motors and sharply climbed out of his view angle and then dropped down and started tracking the two Orions in a lazy arcs .
The P-3s was ofcourse aware of the missile launch and they dived into the ocean leaving behind a stream of chaff and flares . The missiles followed relentlessly . The orions broke formation and turned right angles to the direction of motion in a sharp 30 degree bank and both missiles broke lock and crashed into oceans surface .
Deepak saw the lumbering orions floating up his wind screen as they desperately clawed into air to gain altitude .

- dessert cobra 2 break right now
- copy lead –breaking now


Deepak flicked open the protection tab over his fire switch and selected a ir of R-74 s –the shoot prompt came up immediately and he selected each target –allowed the fire computer stabilize for a few seconds and then launched both heat seelking missiles in quick succession after the Pakistani orions trying to gain altitude at full military power .
The missiles flew true and straight. In less than 5 seconds the first Orion exploded hit on port no 1 engine and the second followed suit taking a hit on starboard 2 . But the second was still flying and Deepak increased power .edged in closer and let loose a short three second burst from his 30mm cannon –ripping apart the stricken aircraft in mid air.

-ocean watch – splash bandit – over
- dessert lead 2 –we record two kill – good hunting – return to base – over and out .
The two fulcrums banked sharply and started climbing – on way to home


Deepak relaxed against his straps -there was no elation -no joy -just a feeling of job well done.

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 21 Mar 2011 23:03

LIBYAN WAR ERUPTS

"12 French Air Force combat jets were launched on a patrol mission. The group comprised of Dassault Rafale and Mirage 2000s, along with other types. During this flight, the first allied airstrike of the Libyan military intervention was carried out by one aircraft, which struck a Libyan armoured vehicle on the ground. According to reports, a total of four Libyan tanks were taken out, overall.

On the same day, Tomahawk cruise missiles were fired from both British and American vessels. HMS Triumph – one of the Royal Navy’s nuclear-powered submarines – took part, after having been deployed by the RN along with a pair of frigates – HMS Cumberland and HMS Westminster.

Late in the day, RAF Tornado GR4 swing-wing strike aircraft carried out airstrikes involving Storm Shadow cruise missiles. These featured within a lengthy sortie that saw the Tornados cover a distance of 3,000 miles, making it the RAF’s longest since the 1982 Falklands Conflict.
rench Mirages and Rafales carried out additional sorties, while the French Navy’s Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier left France bound for Libya. The Charles de Gaulle’s potential airstrike contingent includes additional Dassault Rafales (-M models...naval versions) along with older Dassault Super Etendard strike aircraft and a pair of US-built Grumman E-2C Hawkeye AWACS (Airborne Early Warning and Control System) aircraft.

Meanwhile, further RAF airstrikes were planned, but not performed due to the risk of civilian casualties. Royal Navy Tomahawk cruise missiles launches again took place, while a large number of USAF and USMC assets were airborne on a variety of tasks. These included B-2 Spirit Stealth Bombers, which dropped a total of 40 bombs on a Libyan military facility, and USAF F-16C and F-15 Strike Eagles, which targeted forces on the ground.

Allied airstrikes were carried out on specific targets in Libya but those behind them stressed that Colonel Gaddafi was not one of these. Highlighting the terms of UN Resolution 1973, the head of the UK armed forces said such a strike was outside its terms, words later reiterated by a French military representative. According to an unnamed source, Gaddafi’s “command and control capability” was now no longer intact. Multiple Libyan Surface-to-Air (SAM) missiles and launchers were destroyed, specifically SA-2s, SA-3s and SA-5s. This left SA-6, SA-7 and SA-8s as the remaining threats to allied aircraft. Meanwhile, the British military presence increased with the arrival of more Tornado GR4s and Eurofighter Typhoons, and all are operating from Italy’s Gioia del Colle Air Base. The Canadian Forces have also now joined the aerial missions, its CF-18 Hornets helping keep the Libyan no-fly zone intact.

Overall, in less than three days, allied forces have already attacked Libya from the air and from the sea in several waves, reinforcing the UN resolution’s statement that they could “take all necessary measures ... to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack in the Libyan Arab Jamahiriya.”
http://www.armedforces-int.com/news/un- ... libya.html

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby nits » 22 Mar 2011 10:16

Shankar Sir - I am big fan of yours but with all due respect IMHO somehow this Libya Scenario is not giving us the good old taste of your writing that we used to get earlier... Also indias non participation in attacks have dampened the effect further... if feasiable can you start new scenario or complete the last one...

Just my few cents...

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Re: Possible Indian Military Scenarios - XII

Postby Shankar » 23 Mar 2011 19:06

YEAH ME ALSO AGREE- India not participating actually has spoiled the scenario- may be should star a new scenario - just thinking


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