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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby abhinavjo » 22 Jul 2011 18:53

^^i could also mean a blow/hit

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby koti » 22 Jul 2011 18:57

koti wrote:
Bala Vignesh wrote:Armenda,
It means strike or attack.


I was under the impression that it means something like a wall.

praaharamu.(Telugu)(sanskrit??)


My bad.
Prahaar is indeed Strike.

I got it mixed up with Prakaar

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby VishalJ » 23 Jul 2011 04:35

Rahul M wrote:saddle fuel tank on SMT upgrade, it is there on our mig-29 upg too. :(
looks ugly.

You bet, Uuugh Image

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby shiv » 23 Jul 2011 06:14

MiG 28 upg hump is not as ugly as F-16 with conformal tanks, or Rafale's cachectic "sunken cheeks" seen from the front and below.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby RajSingh » 24 Jul 2011 01:18

Guru log .. I have been following BRF for some time but this is my first post ..

I jsut read this news yesterday about NSG commando Naik PV Manesh who got injured in the Mumbai raid and now he cannot afford the treatment and Govt. won't help him.

please see the newspaper Report

please advice what we can do. I and a few friends are ready to donate some money for the soldiers well being.

Sincerely,
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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby gakakkad » 24 Jul 2011 08:59



Is this truly the official song of the Indian navy ? Why did they use Carmina burana o fortuna as their official song ?

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Postby Bala Vignesh » 24 Jul 2011 09:12

Its not the official song of the Indain navy, AFAIK. And the song is Divano by ERA..

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby SinghSardar » 24 Jul 2011 10:04

Hi,
I just joined BR after following it for many years.Not all (proud) Indians are SDRE. First and foremost, we are all Indians.We could be tall, fair and wheat eating or SDRE or mongoloid etc. I am a Sikh from Indian Punjab and can face a Pakistani physically anytime. Check out Kabaddi matches on youtube between Indian and Pakistani punjabis. All Indians are not wheat or rice eating. All Indians do not look alike for speak the same language or have the same strengths. This is what makes India unique. I am from a family that has served in the Indian army for generations.
I do not agree with the SDRE or any other label, except INDIAN. Ignore the Pakistanis - they talk too much. I wish Indians would follow up the talk with actions. The term "dhoti shiver" is so true!

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby chetak » 24 Jul 2011 10:33

SinghSardar wrote:Hi,
I just joined BR after following it for many years.Not all (proud) Indians are SDRE. First and foremost, we are all Indians.We could be tall, fair and wheat eating or SDRE or mongoloid etc. I am a Sikh from Indian Punjab and can face a Pakistani physically anytime. Check out Kabaddi matches on youtube between Indian and Pakistani punjabis. All Indians are not wheat or rice eating. All Indians do not look alike for speak the same language or have the same strengths. This is what makes India unique. I am from a family that has served in the Indian army for generations.
I do not agree with the SDRE or any other label, except INDIAN. Ignore the Pakistanis - they talk too much. I wish Indians would follow up the talk with actions. The term "dhoti shiver" is so true!



sardar ji,

IMVHO you should have lurked far longer. :)

sincerely,

SDRE onlee 8)

ps Many of us are from families that have proudly served the Armed Forces for generations and can count VrC holders amongst the members.

But believe you me, all proudly SRDE onlee :D

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby SinghSardar » 24 Jul 2011 11:58

I may have touched a raw nerve and you may have missed my point!All Indians serve their country (or should) proudly.My point is that no labels, eg, SDRE or such should be used. I fit the category of tall, fair,wheat eating etc, but I do not agree with this labelling.We are all Indians and this is what makes us unique.If we start segregating ,regionalizing or labelling, India as a Union has a problem! What do you think?

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby chetak » 24 Jul 2011 12:06

SinghSardar wrote:I may have touched a raw nerve and you may have missed my point!All Indians serve their country (or should) proudly.My point is that no labels, eg, SDRE or such should be used. I fit the category of tall, fair,wheat eating etc, but I do not agree with this labelling.We are all Indians and this is what makes us unique.If we start segregating ,regionalizing or labelling, India as a Union has a problem! What do you think?



sardar ji,

IMVHO you should have lurked far longer. :)

sincerely,

SDRE onlee 8)

ps

If you didn't get it earlier, you won't get it now either.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby SinghSardar » 24 Jul 2011 12:43

Likewise. I agree. If you did not get it earlier, you won't get it now either.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Gaur » 24 Jul 2011 12:56

SinghSardar wrote:Likewise. I agree. If you did not get it earlier, you won't get it now either.

Read:
http://sites.google.com/site/brfdiction ... ary/s/sdre

So no one is self deprecating here. We are just being sarcastic. :lol:

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby jimmy_moh » 24 Jul 2011 14:40

jimmy_moh wrote:one noob doubt....

our army has around 1.3 million active troops...
and we do have same strength of reserved troops...... but who all are comes under this reserved category... i mean is it like territorial army kind of stuff..?


bump

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby gakakkad » 24 Jul 2011 15:55

Bala Vignesh wrote:Its not the official song of the Indain navy, AFAIK. And the song is Divano by ERA..


Thanks you introduced me to a band I was unfamiliar with , the song is actually "the mass" by ERA . It is a rendition of Carmina burana which is an old latin folk song. The band is a pseudolatin/pseudo greek easy listening band with Interesting songs.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Rahul M » 24 Jul 2011 16:17

jimmy, usually just retired and limited tenure i.e ex-SSC folk, plus the TA.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Bala Vignesh » 24 Jul 2011 21:33

well gakkadji,
The lyrics and the singing style is pretty much the same between the two songs. Check them out.
Sorry about the ot

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby SinghSardar » 25 Jul 2011 12:03

Seriously. Is the BR forum for "SDRE's" only?

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Rahul M » 25 Jul 2011 13:09

what's with this paki like obsession with physical attributes ?

if simple sarcasm is beyond you then perhaps BR is not for you.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby AdityaM » 25 Jul 2011 13:45

SinghSardar wrote:Seriously. Is the BR forum for "SDRE's" only?


Groan!
SS, humour & wit is lost on you

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby jimmy_moh » 25 Jul 2011 15:24

Rahul M wrote:jimmy, usually just retired and limited tenure i.e ex-SSC folk, plus the TA.


hmm so from my understanding officers will be very less in the reserved right...

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby chetak » 25 Jul 2011 16:33

AdityaM wrote:
SinghSardar wrote:Seriously. Is the BR forum for "SDRE's" only?


Groan!
SS, humour & wit is lost on you


Only four posts old and he's already strapped on the soosai vest. 8)

Way to go! :)

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby shiv » 27 Jul 2011 08:21

SinghSardar wrote:Seriously. Is the BR forum for "SDRE's" only?


5 foot 2 is the limit for being a member here. For being an admin you have to be around 5 feet. If you eat meat and wheat - its a problem - but we have unfortunately allowed in a lot of Indians who are not SDREs who eat meat and wheat. But we will weed them out by their US based IPs. Ideally you should eat rice only. Fish is OK for admission under reserved category. One forum member was nearly kicked out because it was discovered that he is related to a darkie - Deepika Padukone, but he was kept in on maneaterian grounds.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby abhishek_sharma » 27 Jul 2011 08:26

SinghSardar wrote:Seriously. Is the BR forum for "SDRE's" only?


sirf majak kar rahe hain, shriman....Welcome.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby AdityaM » 27 Jul 2011 10:04

What is the object over the cockpit?
http://lh4.ggpht.com/-7ZWK60oSlu4/Ti8Z_ ... 25255D.jpg

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Gurneesh » 27 Jul 2011 10:19

Periscope for the fellow in rear cockpit to see ahead...

Apparently this is one of the mirrors and the second is in the cockpit.

Interestingly, this is not present in IN's KUBs !!
[url]
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-SXl3RdmVBDc/Ti8Z0 ... 25255D.jpg[/url]

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby vijyeta » 27 Jul 2011 17:44

Gurneesh wrote:Periscope for the fellow in rear cockpit to see ahead...

Apparently this is one of the mirrors and the second is in the cockpit.

Interestingly, this is not present in IN's KUBs !!
[url]
http://lh5.ggpht.com/-SXl3RdmVBDc/Ti8Z0 ... 25255D.jpg[/url]


The aircraft in this picture is not a KUB. Please note the size of the radar cone and the 'missing' drooping of the nose.
For the IN MIG 29K's the canopy itself sometimes gives the impression of the aircraft being a two seater.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby muktesh » 27 Jul 2011 18:05

I've a noob question
What is the difference between an assault rifle and a battle rifle?? :-? :-? is it like in a war instead of using ak and insas the army uses fn fal??

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Postby Bala Vignesh » 27 Jul 2011 18:13

Muktesh,
As wiki puts it, the main difference is the calibre of the round it chambers. Going by it, any assault rifle that chambers a 7.62mm round can be considered an Battle Rifle.
Battle Rifle on Wikipedia

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby muktesh » 27 Jul 2011 18:47

So sir then why ak 47 is considered an assault rifle

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Gurneesh » 27 Jul 2011 20:29

vijyeta wrote:The aircraft in this picture is not a KUB. Please note the size of the radar cone and the 'missing' drooping of the nose.
For the IN MIG 29K's the canopy itself sometimes gives the impression of the aircraft being a two seater.


True for Older Migs, but as this pic of KUB shows, it has 2 seats plus a bigger nose etc.. So i guess they must have improved the design.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/308484/Blog/20110727-MiG-29-K-KUB-IAF/20110727-Indian-Navy-MiG-29-K-MiG-29-KUB-03.JPEG

Canopy design is surely different between UB and KUB

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/308484/Blog/20110727-MiG-29-K-KUB-IAF/20110727-Indian-Navy-MiG-29-K-MiG-29-KUB-02.JPEG

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Gurneesh » 27 Jul 2011 20:35

muktesh wrote:So sir then why ak 47 is considered an assault rifle


The wiki article quoted above states that AK 47 is 7.62x39mm while battlefield rifle is supposed to have 7.62x51mm.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby ArmenT » 28 Jul 2011 08:48

muktesh wrote:I've a noob question
What is the difference between an assault rifle and a battle rifle?? :-? :-? is it like in a war instead of using ak and insas the army uses fn fal??

Battle rifle = Uses a full sized rifle cartridge. Assault rifle = Uses intermediate sized rifle cartridge. Submachine gun = Uses pistol cartridge.

What is a full sized rifle cartridge vs. intermediate sized rifle cartridge vs. pistol cartridge is sort of loosely defined, but as others have pointed out, it has to do with range and caliber and how much recoil is produced.

Of course, this definition is somewhat broad, but it is all relative and depends on what else is available at the same time. For instance, when the 7.62x51 mm. and 30-06 cartridges were developed, they were considered full size rifle cartridges. When 5.56x45 mm. and 7.62x39 mm. were later developed, they were considered as intermediate cartridges, since they had smaller range and power compared to the 30-06 or 7.62x51 mm. cartridges, which were (and still are) in use at that time.

Now people have recently developed the 6.8x43 Remington SPC and the 6.5x38 Grendel cartridges as well. These guys have more power than 5.56x45 mm., but are still considered intermediate cartridges, because they are less powerful than 7.62x51 mm. However, due to advances in chemical technologies, people are producing more powerful propellants than before. Therefore a 7.8 gram version of the 6.5x38 Grendel actually produces more power than an Arisaka 6.5x50 cartridge (which was used in the early 1900s by the Japanese army and later, the Russians, and was considered a full sized rifle cartridge). In the early 1900s, the Arisaka cartridge was comparable in performance to cartridges used in other military rifles available in the early 1900s and so everyone calls it a full-sized cartridge. However, if it was developed today, it would have been considered as an intermediate cartridge.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby vijyeta » 28 Jul 2011 18:55

Gurneesh wrote:
True for Older Migs, but as this pic of KUB shows, it has 2 seats plus a bigger nose etc.. So i guess they must have improved the design.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/308484/Blog/20110727-MiG-29-K-KUB-IAF/20110727-Indian-Navy-MiG-29-K-MiG-29-KUB-03.JPEG

Canopy design is surely different between UB and KUB

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/308484/Blog/20110727-MiG-29-K-KUB-IAF/20110727-Indian-Navy-MiG-29-K-MiG-29-KUB-02.JPEG


Agreed. The nose seems the same for both now. Even the nose droop is reduced for the KUB.

However, coming back to the link you had posted earlier,(http://lh5.ggpht.com/-SXl3RdmVBDc/Ti8Z052SaUI/AAAAAAAAC8Q/o9WFuZUZ05Y/s1600-h/20110727-Indian-Navy-MiG-29-K-MiG-29%25255B16%25255D.jpg), the serial number is 804.

No. 804 is a Mig 29k, not a KUB. Please see the same craft from another angle.
http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6661630&nseq=0

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby jamwal » 31 Jul 2011 09:47

Image

what are these ?

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby abhinavjo » 31 Jul 2011 12:29

^^RWR I believe

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby Bala Vignesh » 31 Jul 2011 12:39

The one mounted on top of the rudder is a radar warning receiver.. But the one below the rudder is part of the EW upgrade that the birds are getting

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Postby abhinavjo » 31 Jul 2011 12:48

Say whatever u want the bird looks U-G-L-Y now

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Postby Bala Vignesh » 31 Jul 2011 19:13

Abhinavjo,
None here disputes that what was once an elegant swan has turned into a rather ugly duck.

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Re: Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

Postby abhinavjo » 31 Jul 2011 22:34

Quite some time ago there was a news that Indian defense establishment is considering raising a marine force. So is this going to be centered around the IA's 91 Infantry brigade being sea lifted by navy's amphibious fleet or are we raising a separate marine force? And why not raise a separate marine force? Would this hamper our peace loving stance because marines are an explicitly invasion based force?


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