Newbie Corner & Military Miscellaneous

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 24 Mar 2009 14:01

I maybe wrong, but somehow the body of the Saras reminds me of the Avro used by the IAF.

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 24 Mar 2009 14:20

RayC wrote:I maybe wrong, but somehow the body of the Saras reminds me of the Avro used by the IAF.

Same here... I guess it has to do with the nose sir...

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 24 Mar 2009 18:18

Even the body and the oval windows!

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 24 Mar 2009 18:20

Parijat Gaur wrote:Are all the NSG SAG personnel volunteers? Another question. Are majority of SAG from para or not?

They are from all regiments.

They are not really volunteers but what the Army MS Branch terms as 'for career interests', which means nothing actually. However, they are subject to suitability tests and if they do not come up to standard, they are RTUed i.e. Returned to Unit.

sarang · Post by **sarang** » 25 Mar 2009 07:32

The US gov. also cleared the LM 2000 engine for installation in Talwars.

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 25 Mar 2009 09:00

Was Major Mohit Sharma in Rashtriya Rifles or Para (SF) ? I saw a HT report with unit as RR and something on Indian Express saying he was 1 Para (SF).

Was he on deputation ?

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2009 09:05

The dead Kashmiri jawan was from 1 Para, SF...

Didn't see any article on the major describing him as SF...any link for the same?

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 25 Mar 2009 09:25

Mohit, an officer with special forces 1 Para Commandos, was killed fighting militants in Hafrat forests in Kupwara.

http://andhracafe.com/news24/index.php?m=show&id=1922

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 25 Mar 2009 09:30

See Link

Killing of major rank officer from 1-para (Special Forces) was a major loss. Major Sharma, a resident of Delhi is survived by wife – also a Major

and IBNLive Nation bids adieu to braveheart Maj Sharma

Major Mohit Sharma of the Parachute Regiment, who was killed in the Hafrada forest battling terrorists on Saturday...

Link for RR
HT Report

Brar said six terrorists were killed on Tuesday, taking the death toll to 25 — 17 terrorists and eight soldiers, including Major Mohit Sharma of the Rashtriya Rifles.

JaiS · Post by **JaiS** » 25 Mar 2009 19:59

sarang wrote:
The US gov. also cleared the LM 2000 engine for installation in Talwars.

sarang,

Please articulate your response. A smiley for a reply does not convey one's ideas in many cases. Thanks.

sarang · Post by **sarang** » 25 Mar 2009 20:24

JaiS wrote: sarang,

Please articulate your response. A smiley for a reply does not convey one's ideas in many cases. Thanks.

Sorry about that (smiley only).

Actually I don't get the LM 2000's nor installation on talwars.

Anshul · Post by **Anshul** » 25 Mar 2009 20:26

sarang wrote:
JaiS wrote: sarang,

Please articulate your response. A smiley for a reply does not convey one's ideas in many cases. Thanks.
Sorry about that (smiley only).

Actually I don't get the LM 2000's nor installation on talwars.

Dude,

You are at the wrong place....we have a positive id and our drone has locked onto your position.
If you don't leave your desktop this very moment...i will press the red button.

sum · Post by **sum** » 25 Mar 2009 20:29

orry about that (smiley only).

Actually I don't get the LM 2000's nor installation on talwars.

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Mar 2009 04:20

Two very useful websites from Virginia Tech on A/c designs

Aircraftdesign Course

and

Aircraft Design

ks_sachin · Post by **ks_sachin** » 26 Mar 2009 05:31

Nikhil T wrote:Was Major Mohit Sharma in Rashtriya Rifles or Para (SF) ? I saw a HT report with unit as RR and something on Indian Express saying he was 1 Para (SF).

Was he on deputation ?

31 rr is Para sf staffed..

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 26 Mar 2009 09:38

ramana wrote:Two very useful websites from Virginia Tech on A/c designs

Aircraftdesign Course

and

Aircraft Design

Superb links ramanasaar...

I was wondering if it wouldn't be a good idea to create a sticky thread with useful links for people who want to get info.... links like the above are gems, and need to be preserved, rather than having people asking the same questions again and again....

Additionally, the thread would need to be moderated well so that random links like wikipedia don't get posted... only rare and in-depth ones like this.

Oh, and P.S.... Swapan dasgupta's (very interesting) blog - http://swapan55.blogspot.com

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 26 Mar 2009 09:47

I knew you would get baited!

Isnt it wonderful that they have put so much aero knowledge in the open?

I once did a paper design for a mini Packet type cargo a/c with cheap engines for tpt in Africa. Called Camel. Not too fast but high enough altitude. Then found out need turbo props to get efficiency. And price goes up. Made me better at looking at other designs.

I dont know. We need a FAQ thread which can have this type of info.

rsharma · Post by **rsharma** » 26 Mar 2009 19:36

A note to IAF section admins:
The AIR FORCE SQUADRONS AND ESTABLISHMENTS page shows the 45 SQN "Flying Daggers" to be equipped with Mig-21 Bison & stationed at AFS Naliya, but theAIR FORCE FLEET page shows only SQNs 3, 4, 21, 23, 32, 35'B', 51 to be equipped with the Bison;admins please rectify.

Also the SCRAMBLE website IAF orbat page gives the name of the 45 SQN to be Colts, could a knowledgeable member please clarify..

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 26 Mar 2009 20:58

How does one obtain a url link for a particular post
like this that was done by ramana somewhere:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 43#p642043

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 26 Mar 2009 21:46

AdityaM wrote:How does one obtain a url link for a particular post
like this that was done by ramana somewhere:
http://forums.bharat-rakshak.com/viewto ... 43#p642043

Look for the following icon on the top right side of the post whose url you want

Right clicking on the icon will enable you to copy the url.

mithil · Post by **mithil** » 26 Mar 2009 22:12

ramana wrote:Two very useful websites from Virginia Tech on A/c designs

Aircraftdesign Course

and

Aircraft Design

Ramanagaru..superb links sir. I was wondering if you are associated with Virginia Tech in any manner? since I'm VT right now.

sincerely,
Mithil

ramana · Post by **ramana** » 27 Mar 2009 03:04

Good for you. Study hard and get familiar with as much as you can absorb.

No I am not an academic.

abhik · Post by **abhik** » 29 Mar 2009 18:41

Read that there was something PAL being concerned about Indian army expansion and its strategic consequences bla bla... in some Pentagon paper ,
My question is is this paper in the public domain (which it appears to be) ,if and where can i read it?

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 30 Mar 2009 02:42

ramana wrote:Two very useful websites from Virginia Tech on A/c designs

Aircraftdesign Course

and

Aircraft Design

thanks sir, it has^ really intersting stuff
is their any book on stealth technology evolution and the type of technology need to present ??

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 30 Mar 2009 02:44

abhik wrote:Read that there was something PAL being concerned about Indian army expansion and its strategic consequences bla bla... in some Pentagon paper ,
My question is is this paper in the public domain (which it appears to be) ,if and where can i read it?

it is dispersed everywhere, you may find it on bbc,cnn and i think someone had already posted its link somewhere on this fora, try mil multimedia thread

Samay · Post by **Samay** » 30 Mar 2009 02:51

I have a ques to the older members,
that in some member's BRF joining date it is written 1970 !!
does this forum originates in 1970,when there was no internet??
please clarify

kobe · Post by **kobe** » 30 Mar 2009 03:39

they are fake join dates, once you pay the proper webmaster they will change your join date to any date you desire..

kvraghav · Post by **kvraghav** » 30 Mar 2009 11:49

IS there a option to buy books and other stuff using cards???also is akash yodha available now??

RayC · Post by **RayC** » 30 Mar 2009 20:50

kobe wrote:they are fake join dates, once you pay the proper webmaster they will change your join date to any date you desire..

Now, now Kobe, that is not fair!

AmitR · Post by **AmitR** » 30 Mar 2009 21:04

kobe wrote:they are fake join dates, once you pay the proper webmaster they will change your join date to any date you desire..

Wow can we ask for any vanity date like our girlfriend's birthday? Muah so romantic...

AmitR · Post by **AmitR** » 30 Mar 2009 21:05

RayC wrote:Even the body and the oval windows!

Ohhh so the copy paste culture is pervasive everywhere in India.

dinakar · Post by **dinakar** » 30 Mar 2009 21:20

Samay wrote:I have a ques to the older members,
that in some member's BRF joining date it is written 1970 !!
does this forum originates in 1970,when there was no internet??
please clarify

Samay visit this postviewtopic.php?p=604515#p604515

ovein · Post by **ovein** » 01 Apr 2009 22:58

hi, Not sure how/where to post it. i just wanted to know how to contact a administrator/Moderator (MY pm is closed, i donot have the rights). The FAQ is not helping much

Sajith_J · Post by **Sajith_J** » 02 Apr 2009 17:04

Can someone explain to me what the difference between Mig 29K and Rafale M is? Many people say that Rafale can only be used with a catapult, not with a skyjump. If so, what is necessary for an aircraft to start via skyjump?
And what weapon load will navy LCA have?

Thx, Sajith

Shameek · Post by **Shameek** » 02 Apr 2009 20:09

^^What kind of difference are you looking for between the two?
The Rafale M operates using a catapault assisted take off. The MiG 29K is currently stated to operate without assistance of the catapault and will use the ski-jump on the Gorshkov. To perform an unassisted take off the aircraft requires sufficient thrust. There is also the possibility of reducing the take off weight.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Apr 2009 20:25

ovein wrote:hi, Not sure how/where to post it. i just wanted to know how to contact a administrator/Moderator (MY pm is closed, i donot have the rights). The FAQ is not helping much

Can you post your query here ? If not, I will contact you.

ovein · Post by **ovein** » 03 Apr 2009 18:22

SSridhar wrote:
ovein wrote:hi, Not sure how/where to post it. i just wanted to know how to contact a administrator/Moderator (MY pm is closed, i donot have the rights). The FAQ is not helping much
Can you post your query here ? If not, I will contact you.

Thanks for looking into this

- i wanted to check up on why my PM is closed? when/ how this can be up?
- Wanted to know if there is a norm of asking, taking a permission from a moderator to start a new thread. I was looking for starting a post in "international military technologies" . Why i am asking, in the last locked thread one of the Oldie member told something about informing the moderator first. But i donot know how to get touch with a moderator (too naive)

Anyway thanks for looking into this. I really appreciate

- Abhi

PS . IN FAQ i found this "There are three reasons for this; you are not registered and/or not logged on, the board administrator has disabled private messaging for the entire board, or the board administrator has prevented you from sending messages. Contact a board administrator for more information."
Now how to contact a administrator????

Sajith_J · Post by **Sajith_J** » 03 Apr 2009 22:37

shameekg wrote:^^What kind of difference are you looking for between the two?
The Rafale M operates using a catapault assisted take off. The MiG 29K is currently stated to operate without assistance of the catapault and will use the ski-jump on the Gorshkov. To perform an unassisted take off the aircraft requires sufficient thrust. There is also the possibility of reducing the take off weight.

I want to know if Rafale could also start via skyjump or not and if not why exactly? The size and weight of both is pretty comparable:

Mig 29K
Crew: One
Length: 17.37 m
Wingspan: 11.4 m
Height: 4.73 m
Empty weight: 11,000 kg
Max takeoff weight: 21,000 kg
Thrust/weight: 1.05

Rafale M
Crew: One
Length: 15.27 m
Wingspan: 10.8 m
Height: 5.34 m
Empty weight: 10,000 kg
Max takeoff weight: 21,500 kg
Thrust/weight: 1.22

You mentioned that a sufficient thrust is needed, so what thrust/weight ratio is needed to start with a skyjump?

k prasad · Post by **k prasad** » 04 Apr 2009 14:07

Sajith_J wrote:
shameekg wrote:^^What kind of difference are you looking for between the two?
The Rafale M operates using a catapault assisted take off. The MiG 29K is currently stated to operate without assistance of the catapault and will use the ski-jump on the Gorshkov. To perform an unassisted take off the aircraft requires sufficient thrust. There is also the possibility of reducing the take off weight.
I want to know if Rafale could also start via skyjump or not and if not why exactly? The size and weight of both is pretty comparable:

Mig 29K
Crew: One
Length: 17.37 m
Wingspan: 11.4 m
Height: 4.73 m
Empty weight: 11,000 kg
Max takeoff weight: 21,000 kg
Thrust/weight: 1.05

Rafale M
Crew: One
Length: 15.27 m
Wingspan: 10.8 m
Height: 5.34 m
Empty weight: 10,000 kg
Max takeoff weight: 21,500 kg
Thrust/weight: 1.22

You mentioned that a sufficient thrust is needed, so what thrust/weight ratio is needed to start with a skyjump?

1. Better to use the correct spelling - ski-jump.

2. Rafale can potentially be adapted for ski-ramp operations (from my talk with the guys at AI), but that would need to be investigated - shouldn't be much of an issue though. There will definitely be some loss in load carrying ability, but otherwise, it would probably be possible to do. The guy I spoke to at the stall said "No problem, but we see".

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 05 Apr 2009 20:17

ovein wrote:- i wanted to check up on why my PM is closed? when/ how this can be up?
- Wanted to know if there is a norm of asking, taking a permission from a moderator to start a new thread. I was looking for starting a post in "international military technologies" . Why i am asking, in the last locked thread one of the Oldie member told something about informing the moderator first. But i donot know how to get touch with a moderator (too naive)

Sorry for delayed response.

PM is not available except for moderators/admins.

You can start a new thread if there is no other thread that discusses that particular issue and the issue would not be trivial or irrelevant. It should generally follow the forum guidelines. It may still get locked by admins if, in their opinion, the thread doesn't belong to BR or for any other reason.