Indian Navy and International Anti-Piracy Ops

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Indian Navy and International Anti-Piracy Ops

Postby Vishnu » 11 Nov 2008 14:05

PRESS INFORMATION BUREAU (DEFENCE WING)

GOVERNMENT OF INDIA



New Delhi: 11 Nov 2008

Kartika 20, 1930



INDIAN NAVY REPULSES PIRATE ATTACK ON

INDIAN MERCHANT VESSEL



ON 11 NOV 08, AN ATTACK BY PIRATES ON AN INDIAN SHIP MV JAG ARNAV IN THE GULF OF ADEN WAS REPULSED BY AN INDIAN NAVAL WARSHIP PATROLLING IN THE AREA. THIS ATTACK ON MV JAG ARNAV TOOK PLACE AT ABOUT 1030 H ON THE MORNING OF 11 NOV 08, WHEN THE SHIP WAS 60 NM EAST OF ADEN. THE ALARM RAISED BY THE MERCHANT SHIP WAS MONITORED BY AN INDIAN NAVAL SHIP PATROLLING IN THE VICINITY.



AN ARMED HELICOPTER WITH MARINE COMMANDOES WAS LAUNCHED FROM THE NAVAL SHIP TO INTERVENE AND PREVENT THE PIRATES FROM BOARDING AND HIJACKING THE MERCHANT VESSEL. THIS TIMELY AND SUCCESSFUL INTERVENTION LED TO THE PIRATES ABORTING THEIR ATTEMPT. THE NAVAL SHIP THEREAFTER CLOSED THE INDIAN MERCHANT SHIP TO ESCORT HER TO SAFETY.



MV JAG ARNAV, A 38,265 TONNES BULK CARRIER IS OWNED BY THE GREAT EASTERN SHIPPING CO LTD. THE SHIP HAD TRANSITED THE SUEZ CANAL A FEW DAYS AGO AND WAS EASTWARD BOUND IN THE GULF OF ADEN WHEN SHE CAME UNDER ATTACK FROM THE PIRATES.



THE INDIAN NAVY HAS BEEN CONDUCTING ANTI PIRACY PATROLS IN THE GULF OF ADEN SINCE 23 OCT 08 AS A SIZEABLE PORTION OF OUR COUNTRY'S TRADE FLOWS THROUGH THE GULF OF ADEN AND THERE HAS BEEN A QUANTUM INCREASE IN THE NUMBER OF PIRACY ATTACKS IN THIS REGION OVER THE LAST FEW MONTHS. THESE PATROLS ARE CARRIED OUT IN COORDINATION WITH THE MINISTRY OF SHIPPING AND ARE INTENDED TO PROTECT INDIAN MERCHANT VESSELS FROM BEING ATTACKED BY PIRATES AND ALSO TO INSTILL CONFIDENCE IN OUR LARGE SEAFARING COMMUNITY.



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PHOTO 1 &2 : INDIAN MERCHANT VESSAL JAG ARNAV

PHOTO 3 : INDIAN NAVAL SHIP TABAR

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NKS/ AKR

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PIB Press Release
Ministry of Defence

INS Tabar, which is currently in the Gulf of Aden for Anti-Piracy Surveillance and Patrol Operations, encountered a pirate vessel, 285 NM South West of Salalah (Oman) on the evening of 18 Nov 08, with two speed boats in tow. This vessel was similar in description to the 'Mother Vessel' mentioned in various Piracy bulletins.

INS Tabar closed the vessel and asked her to stop for investigation. On repeated calls, the vessel's threatening response was that she would blow up the Naval Warship if it closed her. Pirates were seen roaming on the upper deck of this vessel with guns and Rocket Propelled Grenade launchers. The vessel continued its threatening calls and subsequently fired upon INS Tabar.

On being fired upon, INS Tabar retaliated in self defence and opened fire on the mother vessel. As a result of the firing by INS Tabar, fire broke out on the vessel and explosions were heard, possibly due to exploding ammunition that was stored on the vessel. Almost simultaneously, two speed boats were observed breaking off to escape. The ship chased the first boat which was later found abandoned. The other boat made good its escape into darkness.

INS Tabar is on Anti-Piracy Mission in the Gulf of Aden since 02 Nov 08. The operation is being controlled by Western Naval Command since mid Oct 08. During this period, she has successfully escorted approximately 35 ships, including a number of foreign flagged vessels, safely during their transit through pirate infested waters of the Gulf of Aden and also prevented two hijacking attempts on 11 Nov 08. The Indian Navy has been patrolling the piracy infested water in keeping with the Government guidelines to protect our sea borne trade, instill confidence in our sea faring community as well as function as a deterrent for pirates.
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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Nitesh » 11 Nov 2008 14:30

why our media is not showing this in headlines at the time of hijack they really covered it up.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Dmurphy » 11 Nov 2008 14:42

Nice to see vishnu on BRF after such a long time!
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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Vishnu » 11 Nov 2008 14:47

It is the first headline on my channel ... I just read it out !

Also ... sorry for the indiscipline ... but this piece of pirate breaking news would have been lost in the naval threat.

Wouln't it have been nice if they had `test' fired a Klub?

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Rahul M » 11 Nov 2008 14:54

no IB4TLing this thread please.
it's nice to discuss a really hot news as it happens(okay, after a few hours !) once in a while ! :wink:

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Dmurphy » 11 Nov 2008 15:10

Vishnu wrote:It is the first headline on my channel ... I just read it out !

Also ... sorry for the indiscipline ... but this piece of pirate breaking news would have been lost in the naval threat.

Wouln't it have been nice if they had `test' fired a Klub?

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It indeed would have been a good idea. Hope we're doing similar stuff in congo as well. Not sure if it's allowed though.

By the way, let this be a precedent to many more 'successful' chases in future.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby neerajb » 11 Nov 2008 15:15

Rahul M wrote:no IB4TLing this thread please.
it's nice to discuss a really hot news as it happens(okay, after a few hours !) once in a while ! :wink:


This could have been conveyed without deleting the posts. Why so much of protectionism in this case?

Cheers.....

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Aditya_V » 11 Nov 2008 15:15

Vishnu Som wrote

Wouln't it have been nice if they had `test' fired a Klub?


Actually it would have been much better if they could capture those pirates and found more details regarding thier ops, headquarters etc.... and see some of them are worthy assets of the pirate ganges to be kept for exhanges

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Rahul M » 11 Nov 2008 15:20

neerajbhandari wrote:
Rahul M wrote:no IB4TLing this thread please.
it's nice to discuss a really hot news as it happens(okay, after a few hours !) once in a while ! :wink:


This could have been conveyed without deleting the posts. Why so much of protectionism in this case?

Cheers.....

I don't see how that's a problem as long as I'm doing the cleaning.
threads, like anything else need cleaning up. don't make an issue out of it.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby neerajb » 11 Nov 2008 15:27

Just one question for you. Had I started this thread would your reponse have been the same? My last OT thread otherwise I'll be banned.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Vishnu » 11 Nov 2008 15:30

This is obviously becoming a part of naval folklore. The following is the CNS's message ...

THE CHIEF OF NAVAL STAFF'S COMMENT ON

THE PIRACY INCIDENT

Piracy is a crime which all men of war are required to combat at all times. Indian Naval Ships operating in piracy infected areas are always in a high state of alert and have the capability to intervene by air or ship borne weapons. Their mandate is to ensure that the safety of our sovereign assets is maintained.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Dmurphy » 11 Nov 2008 15:35

Vishnu,

Now that you're online, please do update us on any new developments in the defence arena.

Thanks in advance.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby AdityaM » 11 Nov 2008 15:37

why don't indian merchant ships carry small arms onboard so that they can defend themselves?

Also, what's the status of the ship with the hijacked indian crew on it, whose captains wife has frequently been coming in the media ?
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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Rahul M » 11 Nov 2008 15:38

neerajbhandari wrote:Just one question for you. Had I started this thread would your reponse have been the same? My last OT thread otherwise I'll be banned.

yes, I told you, this is breaking news and a very important one IMO. nothing personal about it.

edit: and btw, banning is a very very rare occurrence around here, almost exclusively reserved for trolls. so rest easy. :)
regards.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Dmurphy » 11 Nov 2008 15:55

AdityaM wrote:why don't indian merchant ships carry small arms onboard so that they can defend themselves?

Also, what's the status of the ship with the hijacked indian crew on it, whose captains wife has frequently been coming in the media ?

Aditya, the small arms are not allowed for the same reason as they don't allow people to keep small arms at home without proper license. On a lighter note, who needs pirates if the crew themselves turn over to the dark side? :D

IIRC, the hijacked indian crew is back home now.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Dmurphy » 11 Nov 2008 16:00

Rahul M wrote:
neerajbhandari wrote:Just one question for you. Had I started this thread would your reponse have been the same? My last OT thread otherwise I'll be banned.

yes, I told you, this is breaking news and a very important one IMO. nothing personal about it.

edit: and btw, banning is a very very rare occurrence around here, almost exclusively reserved for trolls. so rest easy. :)
regards.
Rahulsaab, a court mention as to why a particular post was deleted does help.

And I take this opportunity to ask

1) what is OT?
2) what exactly is trolling, although i have a vague idea about it?

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby uddu » 11 Nov 2008 16:52

Vishnu wrote:It is the first headline on my channel ... I just read it out !

Also ... sorry for the indiscipline ... but this piece of pirate breaking news would have been lost in the naval threat.

Wouln't it have been nice if they had `test' fired a Klub?

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:roll: Is it possible to take small boats with Cruise missiles? Anti-tank missiles if fitted onto patrol boats or ships will be better, they can be fired at anything within range. cost effective. Not possible in this scenario, since very far from home. Also the ship may be at a distance, hence not able to fire with the the guns. Hence the right method seems sending the Helicopter with commandos onboard to deal with the pirates. They must have fired warning shots and the pirates retreated back to base. Ship saved.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Vishnu » 11 Nov 2008 18:01

:wink:

Lest anyone get me wrong ... the potential "use" of a Klub to knock down a pirate ship was just a joke.

Chill !

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby uddu » 11 Nov 2008 19:02

Vishnu wrote::wink:

Lest anyone get me wrong ... the potential "use" of a Klub to knock down a pirate ship was just a joke.

Chill !

:lol: Brahmos will be better and some A-3's against their bases.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Lalmohan » 11 Nov 2008 19:28

a helicopter borne MMG will make mincemeat of the normal fast motor boats the pirates use

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby SSridhar » 11 Nov 2008 19:34

Apparently, INS Tabar staved off the attack on a Saudi ship as well

In a swift action, warship INS Tabar intervened to thwart two near-simultaneous attacks by pirates on an Indian cargo vessel MV Jag Arnav and a Saudi flag carrier MV NCC Thihama within 25 nautical miles of each otheron Tuesday morning.

The Indian warship, which was deployed in the region on October 23 in the wake of rising attacks by pirates on merchant vessels, received an SOS from the Saudi ship at around 1000 hours after a group of pirates surrounded it.

Marine commandos on board INS Tabar flew out in an armed helicopter and launched an assault on the attackers, who were in five speed boats, forcing them to flee into the Somali waters.

Even as this operation was on, the warship received a panic call from MV Jag Arnav, a merchant vessel owned by Mumbai-based Great Eastern Shipping Company, with about 20 crew members on board.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby SaiK » 11 Nov 2008 19:51

http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200811111980.htm forcing them to flee into the Somali waters.


huh!.. should have captured them.. and further helped investigations from which paki quarters they are from! :evil:

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby kunal anand » 11 Nov 2008 20:06

This is a very positive development. Indian navy needs to show that it can counter such threats far from our shores. Sends out a strong message to the world community. There has been significant increase in piracy incidents off somalia and coalation navies (including pakistan!! :shock: ) which were originally mandated to protect coalation shipping in the middle east after Iraq invasion, have been additionally been tasked with piracy prevention.
The relative inaction by India till now (The biggest and strongest navy in the region) was not giving out correct signals to the world. Also its in India's interest to protect its shipping.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby rsingh » 11 Nov 2008 20:29

Vishnu wrote

Lest anyone get me wrong ... the potential "use" of a Klub to knock down a pirate ship was just a joke.

Chill !



Quite hilarious for Editor types.........never had chance to see your productions. Sounds interesting. Do you blog?

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby ticky » 11 Nov 2008 21:57

OK let's see if if got this correctly,! Somali pirate operating in the gulf of aden of the somali coast, ain't it?. well, why can't we bomb them shithe@ds back to the to stone age? we do have at least 3 Su-30 units at Pune. we will be doing the world a favor and no real harm done to any geopolitical equation in any sense

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Singha » 11 Nov 2008 22:15

maybe the 'world community' feels if they attack the Puntlandi pirates, the place will descend
into further chaos and become another little nest of islamic terror. so perhaps the calculation
is have the pirates in place on land to 'control/punish/manage' the chaos while denying them
easy pickings in the sea.

btw the pirates did capture a philipine flagged tanker with 22 crew today. things are getting
way out of control with daily multiple attacks on these small ships.

looks like only the biggies, fast 25 knot+ container ships and VLCC+ types who are
safe from pirates. if they have searoom can generate enough of a wave to prevent
easy boarding and I hear the crewmen are armed with high pressure water hoses.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby AdityaM » 11 Nov 2008 22:41

Dmurphy wrote:
AdityaM wrote:why don't indian merchant ships carry small arms onboard so that they can defend themselves?
Also, what's the status of the ship with the hijacked indian crew on it, whose captains wife has frequently been coming in the media ?

Aditya, the small arms are not allowed for the same reason as they don't allow people to keep small arms at home without proper license. On a lighter note, who needs pirates if the crew themselves turn over to the dark side? :D

IIRC, the hijacked indian crew is back home now.


I obviously don't mean that the sailors will keep blackmarket weapons! But in todays risky times, the captain & his next in command should be allowed to have in their possession, some weapons of marine defence (wmd).

BTW, The hijacked crew is still at sea :cry:

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby shyamd » 12 Nov 2008 00:13

The private security co's, e.g blackwater etc have started focusing on this, discretely deploying former special ops troops, heavily armed. Shipowners are willing to pay $120 000 plus for this service. The private security co's are looking for these type after iraq and afghan contracts are reducing in number.

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Saudi Arabian ship saved

Sandeep Dikshit reports from New Delhi:

In another rescue effort minutes earlier, marine commandos from INS Tabar fired warning shots to prevent pirates from attacking a Saudi Arabian ship Tihama in the area.

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Postby Nikhil T » 12 Nov 2008 05:39

shyamd wrote:Saudi Arabian ship saved

marine commandos from INS Tabar fired warning shots to prevent pirates from attacking a Saudi Arabian ship Tihama in the area.


Good way to earn goodwill and to project our naval strength.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby shiv » 12 Nov 2008 07:38

AdityaM wrote:
Dmurphy wrote:
AdityaM wrote:why don't indian merchant ships carry small arms onboard so that they can defend themselves?
Also, what's the status of the ship with the hijacked indian crew on it, whose captains wife has frequently been coming in the media ?

Aditya, the small arms are not allowed for the same reason as they don't allow people to keep small arms at home without proper license. On a lighter note, who needs pirates if the crew themselves turn over to the dark side? :D

IIRC, the hijacked indian crew is back home now.


I obviously don't mean that the sailors will keep blackmarket weapons! But in todays risky times, the captain & his next in command should be allowed to have in their possession, some weapons of marine defence (wmd).

BTW, The hijacked crew is still at sea :cry:



No Aditya. If I was an armed bandit and I knew that people are armed on ships - I would kill people first. Should not make the carriage of arms compulsory in any case.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Baljeet » 12 Nov 2008 07:44

Vishnu wrote:It is the first headline on my channel ... I just read it out !

Also ... sorry for the indiscipline ... but this piece of pirate breaking news would have been lost in the naval threat.

Wouln't it have been nice if they had `test' fired a Klub?

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Vishnu
Its great to hear your channel is making IN engagement a first healine. In the media world where perception is reality, our show of force does give a dose of reality we are here, kicking doors first taking names later. These subtle messages goes long way in instilling the pride of IM in Aam Janta's mind, if they have any left :lol:

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Singha » 12 Nov 2008 08:00

front page in TOI today.

IN chief says the Tabar is also authorized to use shipborne weapons. some psyops video
of the kashtan-M guns shredding a couple of pirate boats would do the trick.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby Baljeet » 12 Nov 2008 08:04

Singha wrote:front page in TOI today.

IN chief says the Tabar is also authorized to use shipborne weapons. some psyops video
of the kashtan-M guns shredding a couple of pirate boats would do the trick.

Singhaji
Totally agree. Do you really think dhoti and kurtawala netas would let this happen? Con+egress+I=dhoti uthaa key bhaago

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby sandesh » 12 Nov 2008 08:07

I got the shock of my life when I read this :
ON 11 NOV 08, AN ATTACK BY PIRATES ON AN INDIAN SHIP MV JAG.....


My kid brother is an engineer on board one of Great Eastern's ships, MV Jag *****, that is enroute currently to an East African port.
It is re-assuring and heartening to see our Navy swing into action to protect our merchant ships.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby enqyoob » 12 Nov 2008 08:33

Are the Rules of Engagement such that they couldn't have sunk the boats? I don't understand why they would let the pirates and their boats live to make more such attacks. Vishnu, any comment on this aspect? Or were they so close to Somali waters that the IN ppl could not go in after them? A helicopter travels much faster than any speedboat, doesn't it?

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby pradeepe » 12 Nov 2008 09:29

AdityaM wrote:
Dmurphy wrote:
AdityaM wrote:why don't indian merchant ships carry small arms onboard so that they can defend themselves?
Also, what's the status of the ship with the hijacked indian crew on it, whose captains wife has frequently been coming in the media ?

Aditya, the small arms are not allowed for the same reason as they don't allow people to keep small arms at home without proper license. On a lighter note, who needs pirates if the crew themselves turn over to the dark side? :D

IIRC, the hijacked indian crew is back home now.


I obviously don't mean that the sailors will keep blackmarket weapons! But in todays risky times, the captain & his next in command should be allowed to have in their possession, some weapons of marine defence (wmd).

BTW, The hijacked crew is still at sea :cry:



AFAIK, the master always has atleast one small arm category weapon uner lock and key. It would not be enough to deter more heavily armed pirates though. But more effective would be water cannons. Ship decks always have high pressure hoses. Rig up a couple on on both sides. The fear of getting knocked off into the wake of a fast moving vessel can be deadly and a good deterrent.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby vavinash » 12 Nov 2008 09:45

Chetak?? I assume it was a Seaking or ka-28 atleast.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby ASPuar » 12 Nov 2008 10:07

After all the "Sponsored" bad news about the armed forces, courtesy of angry babus worried about their ill gotten sixth pay commission gains, its good to see some good news which couldnt be covered up.

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Re: INS Tabar nails pirate ship (sort of)

Postby vina » 12 Nov 2008 10:21

Dont kid yourself of trying to fight off the pirates with peashooters. There usually will be more than one pirate boat attacking a ship, dividing the attention of the defenders. And more importantly, the pirates are coming out of a war zone and some pretty serious stuff will be readily available. I am willing to bet heavy machine guns and alteast some dual purpose anti aircraft gun/cannon mounted on the speed boats to take out anyone in the ships gunwales trying to shoot at boarders and definitely to spray the ship's bridge and living quarters if they refuse orders of the pirate speed boats to stop and continue cruising.


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