Indian Navy and International Anti-Piracy Ops

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 07 May 2011 13:46

chackojoseph wrote:Indian Navy TU 142M aircraft helps to repel Pirate attack on Chinese merchant ship

Dispatching a Tu-142 after pirates shows the commitment of the Navy to anti-piracy.

PS: Chacko - have noticed that pictures in FI dont expand to hi-res.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 07 May 2011 14:57

Aditya G wrote:PS: Chacko - have noticed that pictures in FI dont expand to hi-res.

AG, server resources go bonkers. I am shifting bigger images to http://frontierindia.org/album/ . Will be more punctual next time.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 07 May 2011 19:07

Thanks.

PRC media has omitted to mention the Indian Navy's role in the rescue, and credits on USN and Turkish Navy:

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/c ... 861784.htm
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001 ... 71862.html

This omission was noted by others:

http://www.informationdissemination.net ... -city.html

...Obviously China is intentionally not giving India any credit, at least on the domestic consumption side, but has no problem giving Turkey and the US credit. The Indian aircraft was probably the only way the pirates new that naval forces were bearing down on their location, and almost certainly was the single largest contributor to the pirates fleeing the ship before naval forces arrived.

Despite the absence of a public acknowledgment regarding Indian efforts, India learned of the hijacking somehow, so there is a lot of evidence of excellent communication and coordination at the government level on pirate activities. There was coordination between China, India, Turkey, and the United States against a pirated vessel 450 nautical miles off the coast of Mumbai in India....

http://newstonight.net/content/china-at ... vy-efforts

Despite constant efforts for around 4 hours, the Chinese reporters failed to show any courtesy towards Indian Navy that played a crucial role to flee the pirates and saved the attack on MV Full City while credited the US and Turkish naval teams ...

USN thankfully acknowledged all actors:

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=60211

An Indian maritime patrol aircraft was able to locate the vessel, and
broadcast that warships were on the way. The crew had locked themselves in
a secure space from which they could control the ship, known as a 'citadel.'

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 09 May 2011 12:27

Indian Navy convinced govt to join Operation Atalanta : British MP

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 14 May 2011 17:55

Guys,
What happened of the 7 Indians that were still hostages a month back. The news regarding that suddenly stopped coming. How were they finally released?

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 15 May 2011 14:22

^^^ they are still in capture

Gaur · Post by **Gaur** » 15 May 2011 15:04

^^
Really? This is very saddening. After all the headlines for the first few days, both people and media seem to have totally forgotten them.

Gerard · Post by **Gerard** » 27 May 2011 06:22

India not to arrest any more pirates

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 28 May 2011 12:52

Gerard wrote:India not to arrest any more pirates

A senior official in another agency said the Indian approach towards piracy itself was being recast and not just because of pirates targeting Indian sailors. He said the pirates in Mumbai were of "no value at all" to security agencies. "They are neither terrorists nor are they of any other value to us. So we have booked them under Arms Act and violations of other Indian laws. We will have to take care of them now," he said.

There has to a way other than disarm and let go strategy. It will only encourage piracy... we need to strike at shore

Marut · Post by **Marut** » 28 May 2011 14:34

Maybe we'll follow the Russian way - Disarm and put them in a kayak 100s km away from shore without food or water.
Do it a few times and the word will spread on the jungle telegraph. Just don't publicize it to avoid ARoy's and her ilk to start a dharna against IN.

kit · Post by **kit** » 28 May 2011 14:37

Chinese media are under orders to potray India as a threat and an adversary .. what else can you expect from them ? One should go by what the Chinese do to know their intention and purpose.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 28 May 2011 14:50

Tanzania seeks support from Indian naval ships deployed in the Gulf of Aden

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 05 Jun 2011 23:15

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-0 ... -jump.html

ndia is lobbying Lloyd’s of London to reverse its expansion of the area judged prone to pirate attacks to cover almost all of the nation’s west coast after insurance costs surged as much as 300-fold this year.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 05 Jun 2011 23:51

Sops from govt: 50,000 navy sailors to get faster promotions

"As per the recommendations made by the sixth pay commission, the government has approved the ACP for sailors recruited under the non-metric entry and also carried out the review of their career profile. The move will benefit over 50,000 sailors," Navy officials said here.

The scheme will also result in prolonging the service tenure of these soldiers who now retire after putting in 20 years of service.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 16 Jun 2011 14:29

MV Suez sailors released ... lot of drama surrounding Pakis providing ransom and Navy ship for escort.

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... ?prtpage=1

http://www.dailypioneer.com/346003/Pak- ... lives.html

prithvi · Post by **prithvi** » 17 Jun 2011 01:36

Apparently high sea.. emotional drama being played.....
we sent out INS Godavari... and now MV Suez choose to snub...

http://bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/newsrf.php?newsid=14901

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 17 Jun 2011 23:58

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pak-s ... hip-113085

Office of the Spokesperson
Press Release
Protest lodged on incident at sea

A protest was lodged with the Indian government through the Indian High Commission in Islamabad on a serious incident on 16 June 2011 in which Indian Navy Ship Godavari not only hampered humanitarian operations being carried out by Pakistan Navy Ship Babur for Merchant Vessel Suez but also undertook dangerous maneuvers, which resulted in the brushing of the sides of INS Godavari and PNS Babur. PNS Babur was escorting and assisting MV Suez which had been released after captivity by Somali pirates.

This incident constitutes a serious violation of international regulations pertaining to safe conduct at high seas and of the India-Pakistan Agreement of 1991 on Advance Notice of Military Exercise Maneuvers and Troops Movements.

The Indian government has been asked to ensure non-recurrence of such incidents.

Islamabad
17 June 2011

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pak-s ... -113085?cp

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 18 Jun 2011 08:11

Pakistan Navy dirty political game over rescue of sailors
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c89P5XFEfwQ

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Jun 2011 08:48

Aditya G wrote:http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pak-s ... hip-113085

Office of the Spokesperson
Press Release
Protest lodged on incident at sea

A protest was lodged with the Indian government through the Indian High Commission in Islamabad on a serious incident on 16 June 2011 in which Indian Navy Ship Godavari not only hampered humanitarian operations being carried out by Pakistan Navy Ship Babur for Merchant Vessel Suez but also undertook dangerous maneuvers, which resulted in the brushing of the sides of INS Godavari and PNS Babur. PNS Babur was escorting and assisting MV Suez which had been released after captivity by Somali pirates.

This incident constitutes a serious violation of international regulations pertaining to safe conduct at high seas and of the India-Pakistan Agreement of 1991 on Advance Notice of Military Exercise Maneuvers and Troops Movements.

The Indian government has been asked to ensure non-recurrence of such incidents.

Islamabad
17 June 2011

Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/pak-s ... -113085?cp

is there no one to control this deranged lot of "anchors"??

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 18 Jun 2011 12:25

Politics aside, the allegation of collision between naval ships is a serious one. From IN statement the Godavari left the vicinity of MV Suez after hailing it on radio. When did PNS Babar arrive on the scene?

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 18 Jun 2011 14:28

MV Suez gives Indian Navy the cold treatment

A day after the Indian Navy ignored repeated calls for help by MV Suez, the ship released by the Somali pirates on Tuesday, the merchant vessel, today, gave the Navy a cold shoulder.

The merchant vessel did not respond to calls by INS Godavari - a Navy warship - which was dispatched last night by the Navy to escort MV Suez.

"On reaching MV Suez, INS Godavari made every effort through all available means and channels to communicate with Suez. However, the Master of MV Suez, didn't respond," the Navy said in a statement.

Wasi Hasan, the Pakistani who captains the Suez, had said the crew may have to abandon the ship and hitch a ride with the PNS Babar. "The boiler in the engine room is not working, so our speed has slowed down from 15 knots to 8 knots," he told NDTV. He also said that there is eight tons of diesel left on board, not enough to get the Suez to the port of Salalah in Oman.

The problem is the Paki captain and the Paki Navy. The PN ship story as seems to be a lie from the Pakis, as usual. They surely did not like INS Godavari because their objective was to potray, the Paki ship rescuing Indians kind of story to be published in the media. So when the IN ship is in the vicinity, the Indians are surely going home in that ship. So the Paki's are furious that their plan got torpedoed.

Vishnu · Post by **Vishnu** » 18 Jun 2011 14:47

Am I correct that the PNS Babur, ex Type 21 Amazon Class has NOT been refitted with Harpoon missiles but has a Chinese launcher for SAMs. Which SAM system would this be ?

Cheers
Vishnu

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 18 Jun 2011 14:54

Aditya G wrote:Politics aside, the allegation of collision between naval ships is a serious one. From IN statement the Godavari left the vicinity of MV Suez after hailing it on radio. When did PNS Babar arrive on the scene?

Indian Navy has denied the ships got close together, so it seems the collision thingy is an attempt to create a false confrontation against India so as to divert attention against the Paki Miltary post the Osama raid.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 18 Jun 2011 16:03

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LY-60_/_FD-60_/_PL10

the LY60N SAMs equip their frigates. the chinese do not use it, preferring the HQ9.

Babur has no ASMs in public domain.

its a very elderly ship having completed 40 years in april. in a 1:1 confrontation it should not stand a chance even against a oldish godavari type ship...

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 18 Jun 2011 19:19

Aditya_V wrote:
Aditya G wrote:Politics aside, the allegation of collision between naval ships is a serious one. From IN statement the Godavari left the vicinity of MV Suez after hailing it on radio. When did PNS Babar arrive on the scene?
Indian Navy has denied the ships got close together, so it seems the collision thingy is an attempt to create a false confrontation against India so as to divert attention against the Paki Miltary post the Osama raid.

Tweet by MEA spokesman:

VPrakashMEA Vishnu Prakash
India lodges protest against PNS Babur’s risky manoeuvres -http://tinyurl.com/3cd7a7a
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VPrakashMEA Vishnu Prakash
Yesterday Pak Naval Adviser at ND summoned by MOD & our serious concerns at PNS Babur's risky manoeuvres vis a vis INS Godavari conveyed.
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VPrakashMEA Vishnu Prakash
India lodges protest 2day w/Pak govt thro Pak HC in ND. PNS Babur by its risky manoeuvres jeopardised the safety of INS Godavari & its crew

So from denial to counter allegation
So there surely was some incident caused by godavari that sent the pakis weeping and now india is countering it.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 18 Jun 2011 20:00

AdityaM wrote: Tweet by MEA spokesman:
VPrakashMEA Vishnu Prakash
India lodges protest against PNS Babur’s risky manoeuvres -http://tinyurl.com/3cd7a7a
8 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
»
VPrakashMEA Vishnu Prakash
Yesterday Pak Naval Adviser at ND summoned by MOD & our serious concerns at PNS Babur's risky manoeuvres vis a vis INS Godavari conveyed.
17 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply

VPrakashMEA Vishnu Prakash
India lodges protest 2day w/Pak govt thro Pak HC in ND. PNS Babur by its risky manoeuvres jeopardised the safety of INS Godavari & its crew

So from denial to counter allegation
So there surely was some incident caused by godavari that sent the pakis weeping and now india is countering it.

Soooooooooo, the porki capitano couldn't correctly calculate the fuel to make it to port??

DRIFTING POWERLESS ON THE HIGH SEAS IS THE WAY FOR THE PAKI MERCHANT NAVY TO GO, especially after the meheran fiasco.

Men of war will never come close to each other in open sea.

Escort means that they may have closed to a distance of a kilometer or so ( if that close) astern of the merchantman. This proximity is more than enough to keep prowling pirates away. And any Navy ship will also keep very clear either on the stbd or port side. Distance will increase in low light, bad weather, night, rough seas etc.

At most, Godavari may have changed from port to stbd while hailing the merchant vessel and trying to make contact, thus angering the pakis who may have claimed that part of the ocean for their islamic republic.

Hailing distance would have been around 250-300 mts. for a very short while. Aldis lantern would have also been used to send morse code. Apparently the porki capitano was deaf as well as blind.

None so deaf as he who will not hear or so blind as he who will not see. Definite paki psy ops planned well in advance. via satellite phone?

The paki navy may have been interested in towing the drifting vessel to safety thereby claiming greater glory for their ratty islamic republic.

The porki navy has to prove its mardangi after the sordid meheran attack where it's own officers are involved neck deep.

Karan M · Post by **Karan M** » 18 Jun 2011 20:32

Chetak agree. Seems to be a cynical ploy to prove their manhood to an increasingly sceptical local public who are jeering at the Pakistani Navy.

Compared to even the Godavari, this Amazon is junk. A Talwar or Delhi class would be overkill.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INS_Godavari_%28F20%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PNS_Babur_%28D182%29

By the mid-1980s the surviving Type 21s were suffering cracking in the hull and so she was taken in for refitting, with a steel plate being welded down each side of the ship. At the same time modifications were made to reduce hull noise. Four Exocet launchers were also fitted in 'B' position, the last of the class to be so fitted.

Amazon decommissioned and was sold to Pakistan on 30 September 1993, being renamed Babur. Exocet was not transferred to Pakistan and Babur had her obsolete Sea Cat launcher removed. A Chinese LY 60N missile launcher was fitted in place of the Exocet launchers. Signaal DA08 air search radar replaced the Type 992 and SRBOC chaff launchers and 20 mm and 30 mm guns were fitted. Babur remains in service with the Pakistan Navy.

Hand me down junk typical of what the Pakistani armed forces are increasingly full of...

Plus the whole Pak fleet is anyway missile fodder. They dont have a single system that has been reliably shown to intercept supersonic Indian AShMs like the Brahmos, Sizzler. At best, CIWS may be of some use against Kh-35, that if they detect it and given the pathetic Tier 2 Chinese equipment fits that seem to be all that they can afford nowadays, even that is doubtful.

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 18 Jun 2011 23:15

Suez row: Govt's statement on formal protest lodged with Pak

New Delhi: After Pakistan alleged that INS Godavari, the Indian warship escorting MV Suez brushed with its frigate PNS Babur, New Delhi today strongly denied the allegations, claiming instead that it was the Pakistani warship which scraped past INS Godavari, sources said.

In fact, India lodged a formal protest with Pakistan, conveying "serious concern" over the incident.

Here is the government's statement on the formal protest:

India lodged a protest today with the Government of Pakistan through the High Commission of Pakistan, New Delhi against the violation by Pakistan Naval Ship (PNS) Babur of relevant regulations on navigational safety as contained in the 'International Regulations for Prevention of Collisions at Sea' and Article 10 of the 'Agreement between India-Pakistan on Advance Notice on Military Exercises, Manoeuvres and Troops Movements 1991' involving INS Godavari on high seas. PNS Babur by its risky manoeuvres jeopardised the safety of INS Godavari and its crew.

On June 17, 2011, the Naval Adviser of the Pakistan High Commission was summoned to the Ministry of Defence and our serious concern on this incident was conveyed.

New Delhi
June 18, 2011

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 18 Jun 2011 23:20

Row over MV Suez intensifies, India lodges formal protest with Pakistan

New Delhi: After Pakistan alleged that INS Godavari, the Indian warship escorting MV Suez brushed with its frigate PNS Babur, New Delhi today strongly denied the allegations, claiming instead that it was the Pakistani warship which scraped past INS Godavari.

In fact, India lodged a formal protest with Pakistan over the incident, expressing "serious concern" over the incident. (Read: Govt's statement on formal protest lodged with Pak)

The development comes after Pakistan, on Friday, lodged a protest with the Indian High Commission over the "serious incident" that occurred on Thursday. In a statement issued by Foreign Office spokesperson Tehmina Janjua, it alleged that the Indian Navy warship Godavari "not only hampered humanitarian operations being carried out by Pakistan Navy Ship Babur for Merchant Vessel Suez but also undertook dangerous manoeuvres, which resulted in the brushing of the sides" of the two warships.

MV Suez, an Egyptian-owned ship, was recently freed by Somali pirates after the payment of ransom.

The Indian government though claims that the entire narrative was turned upside down by Pakistan.

Sources now indicate that it was the Pakistani frigate that tried to pass the INS Godavari from the right, bumping into the helicopter deck area and causing superficial damage.

The Navy too today dismissed Pakistan's allegation that its warship had brushed PNS Babur escorting MV Suez, saying the "reports of aggression" are "incorrect and based on misinformation".

"Reports of aggression by INS Godavari are incorrect and based on misinformation," a Navy official said here.

The alleged incident is of a serious nature considering both INS Godavari and the PNS Babur are missile-armed frigates, commanded by crews trained to fight each other.

Both are relatively old warships but have been upgraded by their respective Navies over the years. The Godavari is an indigenous frigate based on a British design while the PNS Babur was transferred to the Pakistan Navy in 1993 from the Royal Navy where it was known as the HMS Amazon. The Godavari comprehensively outguns the Pakistani warship based on its superior missile battery. Both ships are considered frontline warships.

PNS Babur is escorting MV Suez, which was released by Somali pirates earlier this week after over two million dollars was paid as ransom for its 22-member crew, including four Pakistanis and six Indians.

Pakistani rights activist Ansar Burney, who played a key role in negotiations with the pirates for the release of MV Suez, told PTI that the ship's crew members will be repatriated to their respective countries by June 20.

Besides the Indians and Pakistanis, the crew includes a Sri Lankan and 11 Egyptians.

AdityaM · Post by **AdityaM** » 18 Jun 2011 23:38

Sources now indicate that it was the Pakistani frigate that tried to pass the INS Godavari from the right, bumping into the helicopter deck area and causing superficial damage

So why did india keep silent and wait till pakis started braying? amaan ki asha?

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 18 Jun 2011 23:49

^^ smacks of some levers were pulled some where so as IN does not react to paki provocation!

Lisa · Post by **Lisa** » 19 Jun 2011 11:47

Aditya G wrote:http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-06-0 ... -jump.html

ndia is lobbying Lloyd’s of London to reverse its expansion of the area judged prone to pirate attacks to cover almost all of the nation’s west coast after insurance costs surged as much as 300-fold this year.

There is a company in the UK that was regularly harassed by animal right
activist, on account of animal experimentation, to a degree where no bank
would open an account for them. In the public interest the UK government
interceded and become the banker of last resort via the Bank Of England
and afforded them all the necessary services.

Similarly, if Lloyds of London feel that they have us over a barrel and the
Indian government is confident that the threat is exaggerated it should, in
the public interest, become the insurer of last resort and cut Lloyds out.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Jun 2011 11:52

TOI reports today that IN has photo and video footage of the incident (good move by the captain if true) and has handed it over along with the protest note.

hope it surfaces really quick in our defence correspondents hands.

in 1967, the USS walker was lightly rammed by the soviet destroyer Besslednyi in the sea of japan. the pic of the incident looks similar to the babur incident
http://www.navsource.org/archives/05/0551722.jpg
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1967-USS-Walker-I ... dZViewItem

btw I recalled this incident from a readers digest I read in the early 1980s ... 20 yrs of munnahood hasnt dimmed my memory - yet

Soviet naval ships routinely shadowed and often harassed or interfered with operations of the US Navy and other NATO countries. Some incidents were deliberate expressions of policy, while others were attributable to aggressiveness or even inexperience. Soviet fighters often intercepted US Navy P-2 and P-3s. Aircraft carriers were shadowed endlessly by Soviet “trawlers” and occasionally by Bear aircraft.

The US employed such tactics as surprising Soviet Navy ships by flying aircraft low and at high speed, remaining below the radar horizon and escaping detection until the last minute. In this way, Soviet activities could be observed.28 American carrier-based pilots reportedly flew sufficiently low over Soviet warships to snag radio antenna wires between masts with lowered tailhooks—likely apocryphal but representative of the aggressive attitudes at the time. In less aggressive activities, from the Iceland Defense Force, US fighters intercepted Soviet Bear aircraft, and P-3s were sent to locate Soviet submarines and even simulate attacks on Soviet surface ship formations.29

High-risk activities reached a peak in1967. On 10 and 11 May 1967, Soviet navy ships collided with the destroyer USS Walker in the Sea of Japan as it was attempting to fend off Soviet efforts to disrupt the flight operations of the carrier USS Hornet that USS Walker was escorting. Then-Congressman Gerald R. Ford suggested that the US Navy be authorized to use its guns to respond. Soon after, a Soviet navy Tu-16 Badger aircraft cart wheeled into the Norwegian Sea while “buzzing” the carrier USS Essex during flight operations, killing the Soviet crew of seven.

Raghavendra · Post by **Raghavendra** » 19 Jun 2011 15:15

Indian Navy response to Pak Navy stupid allegation on MV Suez http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGiiFfCQxZk

Patni · Post by **Patni** » 19 Jun 2011 16:23

Suez row escalates, India blames Pak

A diplomatic row continues to escalate over the rescue operations of Egyptian vessel MV Suez, which was released by Somali pirates earlier this week after over 10 months of captivity. Even as anger surrounds Indian Navy's delayed response to escort the freed vessel, government sources told TIMES NOW that even as INS Godavari approached MV Suez, Pakistan Navy personnel onboard PNS Babar shouted anti-India slogans.

parshuram · Post by **parshuram** » 19 Jun 2011 17:02

Shouting slogans .....seems pakistani 's have taken leaf from chinese who did same when thet brushed a US military tanker few months back

Mihaylo · Post by **Mihaylo** » 19 Jun 2011 17:29

Patni wrote:Suez row escalates, India blames Pak

A diplomatic row continues to escalate over the rescue operations of Egyptian vessel MV Suez, which was released by Somali pirates earlier this week after over 10 months of captivity. Even as anger surrounds Indian Navy's delayed response to escort the freed vessel, government sources told TIMES NOW that even as INS Godavari approached MV Suez, Pakistan Navy personnel onboard PNS Babar shouted anti-India slogans.

I hope we have sent them a dossier since, pukes won't take 'akshun' until they get a dossier on this as well. Sorry for the benis language but couldn't resist.

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 19 Jun 2011 18:51

AdityaM wrote:
Sources now indicate that it was the Pakistani frigate that tried to pass the INS Godavari from the right, bumping into the helicopter deck area and causing superficial damage
So why did india keep silent and wait till pakis started braying? amaan ki asha?

The Aman ki Tamash is yet to Begin. Just wait for some more time.

MV Suez crew shifted to Pakistani warship PNS Babar
The MV Suez's 22-member crew, including six Indians, were on Sunday transferred to a Pakistani warship when the Egyptian merchant vessel
On getting a call for assistance, Pakistan Navy chief Admiral Noman Bashir ordered the vessel's crew to be shifted to the frigate PNS Babar, which was escorting it.
The Suez's captain had also opened the vessel's valves to scuttle it, the channel reported.

The ship's crew was transferred to the PNS Babar on Sunday afternoon, the channel said.

It was yet to be decided whether the crew, including the Indians, would be brought to Karachi or Gwadar port in Pakistan, navy sources were quoted as saying.

Earlier, the captain of the Suez appealed to Pakistan's foreign ministry and the naval chief for immediate help as he feared the vessel would capsize after being caught in strong winds.

MV Suez Captain Syed Wasi Hasan said on phone that the weather had turned threatening due to the monsoons.

"We were on the open seas for the past three days. The owner of the ship has thus far not sent any fuel," he said.

Hasan said he had appealed to Pakistan authorities to save the lives of his crew.

Now just wait for the Aman ki Tamash to beign.

Just wait to see Pakis claiming, how they rescued Indians and the WKK brigade getting ready to greet the Paki rescued Indians at the Wagah border.

We must have sunk the Barbar, resecued the crew of MV Suez including the Indians while leaving the Paki captain there and set sail to India.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 19 Jun 2011 19:56

what would be interesting to know is whether CO Godavari knew CTF151 had nominated PNS Babur to escort MV Suez or whether PNS Babur & MV Suez knew INS Godavari was approaching them at the behest of the Indian government.

Around 2004 US Government "gifted" us two CETRIXIS terminals to enable IN to communicate with CTF151 and other NATO/US forces to avoid any untoward incident. One was fitted to INS Mysore which was the first anti piracy ship. Not sure whether Godavari has the other terminal fitted, but most likely not, it was fitted to B or T class. Also not sure whether the terminals are portable.

Chinese, Indian and sometime Korean/Japanese/Singapore navies operate outside CTF151 and Op Atalanta communication nets.

Now, if either didnt know the other was approaching, and if MV Suez captain had the mentality of the bangalore biker who ran after being challenged, and was consequently shot, this was waiting to happen.

Hull to hull, Godavari/Leander has stronger hull specs designed to ram Icelandic ships during Cod Wars http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars while the Amazon had low cost aluminum hulls, that I believe were gradually comverted to steel.

Edited later - For a girl being stalked by a ruffian in a dark alley, a cops hail sounds friendly. For the same girl canoodling with her boyfriend in the same alley, a cops hail sounds very unfriendly.

While IN is very competent to take on such situations, our Government and public opinion needs to be mature and back them up. Our aam janta needs to realize that IN and GOI cannot safeguard every Indian working outside our shores. Its an occupational hazard. And IN - or any Navy including USN - cannot prevent their country's seaman being pirated - or pay ramsom for every chap abducted.

The stupid public pressure on GoI to "do something" for MV Suez is unreasonable. GoI/IN could have reacted similar to SS Mayaguez, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayaguez_incident but then same public opinion would have criticized GoI/IN if there were any casualties. Despite US bravado "leave no man behind", in that incident, 3 marines were deliberately left behind.

Unfortunately our media loves one sided "Human Interest" stories rather than objective, factual and honest reporting of the whole story.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 19 Jun 2011 20:00

hope the babur makes it back in one piece - given its age and condition, and hard sailing trying to duel the godavari I wouldnt be surprised if limps home on a wing and needs a extended refit