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Two U.S. F-35Bs Have Landed Aboard Italian Navy Aircraft Carrier ITS Cavour To Begin Sea Trials

Two specially instrumented U.S. F-35Bs from Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23 (VX-23) at Naval Air Station Patuxent River (NAS Pax River), Maryland, landed aboard Italian aircraft carrier ITS Cavour, off the US East Coast, on Mar. 1, 2021.

The flagship of the Marina Militare (Italian Navy) had left Naval Station Norfolk (Virginia) on Feb. 28, in preparation of the four-week sea trials During the sea trials, the F-35 Patuxent River Integrated Test Force (ITF) will verify the compatibility between the 5th generation fighter aircraft and the ITS Cavour. The trials also represent an important step towards declaring the Initial Operation Capability (IOC) of the F-35B in the Italian Navy, expected by 2024.
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Known and expected.. some interesting points

China has built the world's largest navy
You can't have the world's largest navy if you can't build a lot of ships. China gives itself that ability by being the world's largest commercial shipbuilder.

In 2018, China held 40% of the world's shipbuilding market by gross tons, according to United Nations figures cited by the China Power Project at the Center for Strategic and International Studies, well ahead of second place South Korea at 25%.

Put in a historical perspective, China's shipbuilding numbers are staggering -- dwarfing even the US efforts of World War II. China built more ships in one year of peace time (2019) than the US did in four of war (1941-1945).

"During the emergency shipbuilding program of World War II, which supported massive, mechanized armies in two theaters of war thousands of miles from home, US shipbuilding production peaked at 18.5 million tons annually, and the United States finished the war with a merchant fleet that weighed in at 39 million tons," said Thomas Shugart a senior fellow at the Center for a New American Security and former US Navy captain, in testimony before Congress last month."In 2019, during peacetime, China built more than 23 million tons of shipping, and China's merchant fleet ... totals more than 300 million tons," Shugart said.
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Why is the Cwiz still there
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Aditya G wrote:Why is the Cwiz still there
Its off to the side so while it may take away a spot from parking or some other equipment, it's not in the way of flight operations.

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https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... the-ocean/
( Money made from Australia is being used wisely by French)
The French Navy's new strategic submarine, SNLE-3G is one of a new breed of Western ballistic missile submarines. Together with the U.S. Navy's Columbia-class and the Royal Navy's Dreadnought it will be particularly stealthy. Its noise levels will be lower than the surrounding ocean making it very hard to detect. Combined with a host of new technologies this should ensure its survivability against future threats.The machinery space will be longer to incorporate an even quieter machinery. This may have some technologies already found on France’s latest nuclear submarine, the Suffren-class attack submarine. Outwardly these include the X-form rudders and pumpjet propulsor.But between the two upper rudders is a difference from the Suffren. A small fin contains a next-generation towed sonar array known as ALRO. This will use optical technology. While this array may in itself be a capability leap, the most important aspect is that it is part of a holistic sensor suite known as ALICIA.Thales’ ALICIA (Analyse, Localisation, Identification, Classification Intégrées et Alertes) combines a wide range of sensors into the SYCOBS 3.0 data processing system. These include large new flank array sonars and a new bow sonar. The exact technology in the bow sonar has not been reported but Naval News believes that it will have moved beyond traditional cylindrical arrays.ALICIA will be capable of Ultra-Low Frequency (ULF) detection meaning that even the quietest adversaries may be tracked and “The challenge will be processing the massive amounts of data gathered by the new sensors. The data is expected to be an order of magnitude more than on current boats” the SNLE-3G Program Officer told us. However artificial intelligence will help the crew identify contacts, greatly aiding their work. This will help with both technical and tactical classification. The latter can be based on intelligence which usually leads to a decision from the submarine commander.Other updates include an upgraded reactor based on the proven K15 family. This will have improved safety features to keep pace with expected standards and more power.
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Not sure if this has been posted before. But for the navajo history types, this is the real deal. Hood vs bismarck real footage :shock:

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Norway blocks Rolls-Royce's plan to sell engine maker to Russia.

Norway will block Rolls-Royce from selling a Norwegian maritime engine maker to a Russian company on national security grounds, its justice minister told parliament on Tuesday.

Based on Norway's west coast, and owned by Britain's Rolls-Royce for more than20 years, Bergen Engines supplies NATO member Norway's navy as well as the global shipping industry.

The blocking of the sale is a blow for Rolls-Royce, which is aiming to raise 2 billion pounds ($2.76 billion) from disposals by 2022 as part of its plan to survive the pandemic.

Norway on March 9 said it had temporarily suspended the 150 million euros ($178 million) sale to TMH Group while it assessed security implications.
A Rolls-Royce logo is seen at the company's aerospace engineering and development site.

"We now have sufficient information to conclude that it is necessary to prevent the company from being sold to a group controlled from a country with which we do not have security cooperation," Justice Minister Monica Maeland of the centre-right minority government told parliament.

Relations between Norway and Russia, which share a border in the Arctic, gradually improved in the post-Cold War era before suering a setback when Moscow annexed Crimea in 2014.

That triggered more tension in the north with a military build-up on both sides and more frequent military manoeuvres.

"The technology possessed by Bergen Engines, and the engines they produce, would have been of significant military strategic interest to Russia, and would have boosted Russian military capabilities," the Norwegian government said in a statement.

Rolls-Royce said it plans to ask Norway for help to nd another option for Bergen, noting that Bergen's more than 900 jobs could be at risk. "We do not intend to retain the business," Rolls-Royce said in a statement. (Opportunity for Kalyani, Adani, Mahindra, TATA)

"We will be seeking the assistance of the Norwegian Government to swiftly find another option, which can provide Bergen Engines and its people with the investment required for the future and Rolls-Royce with an appropriate outcome."

Rolls said it remained committed to its disposal target.

The Russian embassy in Oslo said on March 10 that Norway's decision to suspend the sale showed anti-Russian sentiment and was of serious concern. The Russian embassy was not immediately available for comment on Tuesday.

TMH Group and the Russian foreign ministry did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

Norwegian opposition parties criticised the government for being slow to respond to what they said was a national security threat, after it emerged that Rolls-Royce had informed authorities of a potential Russian deal late last year.

"The government failed to comprehend the severity," Christian Tybring-Gjedde, a lawmaker from the right wing opposition Progress Party, said. The case will be the subject of a special hearing in parliament, said Jette Christensen, a lawmaker from the opposition Labour Party.

Bergen Engines makes medium-speed gas and diesel engines for marine and power generation customers. It had revenue of 239 million pounds in 2019.

Norway introduced a new security law that year which strengthens the government's ability to impose conditions or block foreign acquisitions when vital national interests are at stake.

While corporate takeovers have been assessed from time to time, Norway had abstained from blocking any business transactions since the law came in, the government's NSM security agency said this month.
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Sea Trials Successfully Completed: Italian Navy Aircraft Carrier Achieves F-35B Airworthiness Certification
Italy’s aircraft carrier ITS Cavour, the flagship of the Marina Militare (Italian Navy), has successfully completed the “sea trials” for the operational use of the F-35B, the STOVL (Short Take Off Vertical Landing) variant of the 5th generation combat aircraft the service will use to replace the AV-8B+ Harrier II.

The “Ready for Operation” compatibility testing began with the departure from Norfolk on Feb. 28, 2021, and the deployment aboard the carrier of the two specially-instrumented U.S. F-35Bs belonging to VX-23 (Air Test and Evaluation Squadron 23) from Naval Air Station Patuxent River (NAS Pax River), Maryland, on Mar. 1, 2021.

he “sea trials” lasted four weeks and ended on Mar. 26, 2021, with the return of the carrier to Norfolk.

The testing campaign was crucial to the Italian Navy as it represents one of the milestones towards the acquisition of the strategic capability of the new aircraft. It will be followed by the “Initial Operational Capability” the naval service plans to achieve in 2024, and ultimately the “Final Operational Capability” that will coincide with the delivery of the last F-35B to the Italian Navy under the JSF program. The Italian Government should procure 90 F-35s, 60 of those are F-35As and the remaining 30 ones are F-35Bs. Out of those 30 F-35Bs, 15 will go to the Navy and 15 to the Air Force. The Navy’s F-35Bs should also operate from the new LHD Trieste.

“We have completed all planned tests and are currently able to issue an Interim Flight Clearance (IFC), which will allow Cavour and its crew, together with US Marine Corps F35Bs to continue training. When we return to ‘Pax River’ we will carefully analyse the data collected and then we will be able to issue the final certification” – said Ron Hess, who works as the Basing and Ship Suitability (BASS) Team Leader for the F-35 Patuxent River Integrated Test Force (ITF), in an official Italian Navy release.

As part of the sea trials, the two F-35Bs of VX-23 carried out more than 50 flight missions, in all weather and sea state conditions, a night session, around 120 vertical landings, and as many short take-offs with the aid of the ski jump, and finally a vertical take-off test. Based on the images released during the campaign, some tests were also conducted with external loads
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I've been saying for a decade+ that we need a multi-purpose flat top with ability from amphib ops to light carrier air capabilities.
Finally someone has thought on the same lines.The Nevskoye bureau of Ru has come out with a new concept of flat top that does just that exactly.The "Varan Universal Sea Complex".Ck. out the site/pics.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... lex-varan/

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Home»News»Russia Designs a New Class of Ship: Universal Sea Complex ‘Varan’

Russian shipbuilders consider a possibility to create a universal sea complex (UMK) and a line of projects on a unified platform. The Nevsky Design Bureau told TASS about the project and its significance for the Russian Navy.
Xavier Vavasseur 27 Feb 2021

By TASS Russian news agency

After the Cold War, universal amphibious assault ships developed from support means of major Navy formations into independent units capable of combat and humanitarian missions. They demonstrate the flag, deliver troops, engage in patrol and support bigger warships. The Russian shipbuilding industry has focused on such naval hardware of late.

One of the projects is Varan designed by Nevskoe Bureau. It is a major Russian designer of universal ships and the sole designer of aircraft carriers and simulators.

The bureau said Varan is distinguished by multirole structure (unified platform), which can produce several types of big surface warships, including an aircraft carrier, landing ship, hospital vessel, and even a support vessel for the Arctic.

“It is a new approach in domestic and global shipbuilding. The project will represent a new class of naval hardware — universal sea complexes (UMK),”

Nevskoe Bureau
Varan is an aircraft-carrying ship distinguished by a high level of automation. It can carry 24 multirole fighters, six helicopters, and 20 drones.

“The airpower of Varan will include seaborne MiG-29K fighter jets and their modifications, as well as prospective aircraft, including vertical takeoff and landing jets. They will provide balanced and effective engagement corresponding to modern and prospective foreign aircraft-carrying complexes”
Nevskoe Bureau

The airpower includes future UAVs. The ship has a high automatic control integrated into the command system.
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Bonnie Glaser / 葛來儀 @BonnieGlaser wrote: Japan and US plan to affirm the importance of stability in the Taiwan Strait when PM Suga visits DC next month for a summit with President Joe Biden. The two sides are in discussions to include the passage on Taiwan in a joint statement after the summit.

Biden and Suga to note Taiwan Strait in April joint statement
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New Small Aircraft Carrier Unlikely, Admiral Says As US Navy Begins New Assessment
https://www.defenseone.com/business/202 ... nt/173024/
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They're leveraging their amphibs using F-35s.
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The studies/questions were whether a dedicated 40-45K ton displacement small/carrier should be developed to support AC operations around the globe as a complement or even as a replacement to future CVN's (like buying that instead of the 7th Ford class CVN for example). The studies, just like all others prior to it, seem to have said NO. The campaign model of generating sorties, effects on the ground and being capable of concurrent missions is not kind to either a nuclear powered, or non-nuclear powered small carrier (in the US Navy operational deployment scenario/context). They need the capability of surging an air wing (without removing something else), and having the magazine and fuel capacity to support that enhanced air wing for the stipulated time. Small carriers won't do that and when you are expected to operate globally they become a drag logistically and operationally. Great for peacetime flag waving but when the $hit hits the fan and COCOM's give you XXX target sets per day..they begin to become a drag on the entire operation. The Ford class was designed to surge to 270 sorties per day. But importantly, what the original CVNX studies showed was that a large Aircraft Carrier, even when operating a medium sized air wing can generate way more strike sorties than a medium class carrier with the exact same airwing. When war starts your magazine, fuel capacity, and how much fuel you need for yourself (nuclear power vs conventionally powered) are your biggest advantages or the biggest drag in case you have a subopimal solution.

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The USS Americas LHA-6 is a dedicated aviation ship (it has no well deck). The USS Tripoli which is currently undergoing trials will likewise be exclusively aviation focused as well. These two can support 1 to 2 missions at a time and as many as 18-20 F-35B's (though 12-14 will be more common during most fast jet focused ops) and V-22's which can do refueling and can also do COD via a CVN in the region so can get some of the weapon magazines limitations addressed. When paired with a CVN is the best combination for force projection (the CVN's with their large fuel carriage capability can also carry fuel for these vessels). By itself, these are a great way to support amphibious operations or when paired with the DDG-51 fleet is going to provide some really good extended range air defense capability. But that's really it. They aren't multi-mission Aircraft Carriers capable of pivoting into new roles or adding these responsibilities over and above the existing missions. There's just not enough air-wing and support to do this.

Ship 3 onward (they plan on building 9 more) the America Class will feature a well deck so these ships will likely carry fewer F-35B's when surging and will be truer to their amphibious mission than the first two. The Wasp class is still out there and many of those vessels will continue to support F-35B's operations till such time that the new class is fully fielded. The studies reinforce the original CVN-X studies in that a small carrier just doesn't work for the US Navy with the roles and missions it is asked to perform by the combatant commanders.

LHA-7 Finishes FOA, Sea Trials Next
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https://twitter.com/TheWolfpackIN/statu ... 36994?s=20 ---> Japan offers Mogami Class stealth frigates to Indonesia, the first time Japan has approved the export of offensive defense systems.

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Moral lesson preaching self righteous hypocrite's move to wean away Indonesia from increasing it defense relationship with South Korea. Same Japan always imposes conditionalities on India to sell Japanese defense gear.
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We should go full throttle at intl. defexpos offering a wide variety of warships and other naval milware,apart from Tejas,missiles,etc. We are now building a class of around 750t+ shallow water ASW corvettes. Corvettes are the most sought after class today as not many nations can afford larger frigates and destroyers. A multi-role corvette design ,smaller than our P-28s between 1000t to 2000t ,one design with a helo,one without with similar armament, would be good for both the IN and the intl. market.

We lost the Phillippines frigate req. to SoKo supposedly on financial guarantee issues,not price and tech. content. Now that the GOI is giving a thrust to def. exports, we must take part in as many contests as possible,even for EU orders.
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A concept I've been studying for long. During the Kruschev era,the Sov. navy had a submersible missile boat. Obvious advantages.
This class of hybrid vessel could serve us v.well based out of the ANC,Lakshadweep where we have several intrusions by Chin naval survey vessels,"fishing" craft etc. They could be observed by stealth and then caught in the act of illegal activity and seized.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... customers/
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Russian Shipyard Unveils Submersible Patrol Ship For Export Customers
Rubin offers the first version of a submersible patrol ship combining the benefits of a submarine and a surface patrol vessel. The concept named the Sentry (Border and Offshore Submersible Sentry, BOSS) is intended for foreign customers.
Naval News Staff 12 Apr 2021

Offshore patrol vessels are relatively inexpensive, which makes them affordable for countries with constrained budgets. Their operation is profitable because they can be used to prevent illegal trade, poaching and other law infringements. Ships of this type are multi-functional and can be used as patrol ships, and as rescue or research vessels as well. Equipment for the new ship comes mostly from surface ships and aircraft and is commercially available.

The ability to dive provides the ship with two advantages at a time: to discreetly observe inflictors (and to catch them red-handed) and evade harsh weather conditions without aborting the mission. A submersible ship can be used as a classical submarine, for intelligence, surveillance & reconnaissance (ISR), as well as other missions.

Seabed research capability of the submersible patrol ship would be wider than those of a surface ship. It can also serve as an inexpensive training vessel to give crews seagoing experience and prepare the infrastructure before purchasing classical submarines at a later stage.

In its architecture and outline, the ship resembles Whiskey-class submarines (Project 613) – the most numerous series of the Soviet submarines, very popular with foreign customers. Basic parameters are also much the same, with the surface displacement around 1000 tons, overall length 60 to 70 metres depending on the configuration, and the crew up to 42 people including the boarding team.
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While we are at it, how about going back a few decades.. to WW2.

Japan had built a submarine which carried and launched fixed wing aircrafts.

Let's ask the Russians to build a modern version of it and sell them to us. Problem of 'Either Submarines Or Aircraft Carriers' solved in one go eh. :D
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Philip has been making some odd claims that Indian peninsula and Andaman Islands are “unsinkable aircraft carriers”. Now he wants a “sinkable aircraft carrier” ?
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Ha!Ha!
No,ck. the link,take a good look at the pic.This is a revolutionary concept,a true hybrid surface/submersible craft that gives stealth and is when submerged,invulnerable to anti-ship missiles. Being only 1000t, it will be v.hard to detect by other larger subs, and a few of these in the ANC could patrol the Malacca Straits and other chokepoints.The Chins have been sending in their "fishing" fleet into our ANC waters,plus survey ships,fishing for intel,ocean surveys to aid their subs,etc.When upto no good,such vessels could surprise them in action and seize them or even sink them if need be.
Could be built at home too.
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Philip sir, the reason why it is still a concept is precisely that it is too costly and an overkill for the operations suggested by the marketing teams. They are trying to be too clever by projecting it as a be-all-do-all super product when it will likely turn out as a jack-of-all-trades compromise.

Surveillance patrols (including tracking, intercepting and boarding) of the type mentioned are much better and efficiently done by nimbler, more dedicated, role-optimized surface assets like the ones operated by the coast guards of the world (aided by the regular surface & sub-surface naval fleet, the air arms & space satellite sections).
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It's just been revealed,supposedly a cheap vessel,not a reg. sub with deep diving features requiring special hulls,sonars,etc. Limited weaponry too.It would be an alternative to an OPV or corvette. If there is a bit of automation and a small crew,it could be quite cost-effective. One however would have to compare it costwise with the smaller coastal/ littoral sub designs from leading manufacturers which are regular subs.You have a few designs meant for the Baltic, Scandinavian waters,etc.
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Sir, it is highly unlikely that a submarine/submersible vessel, even a supposedly cheap one, will be cheaper than a OPV/ Littoral patrol vessels.
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Manish_P wrote:Sir, it is highly unlikely that a submarine/submersible vessel, even a supposedly cheap one, will be cheaper than a OPV/ Littoral patrol vessels.
As long as it's Russian, India should buy it. It doesn't matter if it works or it doesn't. It doesn't matter if it will be more expensive than a pure missile sub. Or a pure missile boat.

It doesn't matter if the Russians themselves don't have the money to develop this concept and put these ship's in service.

If you understand this basic thrust. You will be fine.
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SOS.The Indonesian German-built sub KRI Nangalla-402 has gone missing off Bali with 53 crew aboard on Wednesday at 0430 hrs..The sub was to have conducted a torpedo drill
.The sub is an old German U-boat built in 1978. Indonesia has asked Oz and S'pore for help.
Indonesia is in the process of evaluating foreign subs to upgrade its vintage fleet.It earlier operated Sov. era subs.
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Vips wrote:Moral lesson preaching self-righteous hypocrite's move to wean away Indonesia from increasing it defense relationship with South Korea. Same Japan always imposes conditionality on India to sell Japanese defense gear.
Spot on !

Japanese are hypocrites indeed professing to limits on " technology transfer" when coming to countries like India. No problemo with China. No wonder Jacinda showed the middle finger to "five eyes"
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Pratyush wrote:
Manish_P wrote:Sir, it is highly unlikely that a submarine/submersible vessel, even a supposedly cheap one, will be cheaper than a OPV/ Littoral patrol vessels.
As long as it's Russian, India should buy it. It doesn't matter if it works or it doesn't. It doesn't matter if it will be more expensive than a pure missile sub. Or a pure missile boat.

It doesn't matter if the Russians themselves don't have the money to develop this concept and put these ship's in service.

If you understand this basic thrust. You will be fine.
Indeed , dont think the Russians will be able to maintain any technology lead in the military field , whatever they have is likely to evaporate in a decade or so. India would probably field better weapons and capabilities
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Sadly mistaken.Look at its new N-subs and USN reports about them.Equivalent to or superior in some aspects to the latest US subs. Both Borei SSBN and Yasen SSNs
There is also no equivalent anywhere to the Belgorod/ Khabarovsk SSGNs which carry 6 of the Kanyon N-powered nuclear tipped torpedoes which have a range of over 2500km at a speed of 200kts. and operating depths of upto 1000 ft. They are in US analysts' words " unstoppable" They are meant to destroy key cities ,ports and naval bases along enemy coastlines. A whole new range of anti- torpedo weapon systems has to be developed to meet this threat.The Losharik sub, which the mother subs carry ,is the deepest diving sub in the world. It has 7 spherical sections within the hull incl. the reactor. The sub had an accident last yr. a few of the crew killed in a fire,but its been rectified and back in service.

There is also no western or Chin equiv of the Tsirkon 3M22 hypersonic missiles to be fitted to all RuN naval assets,fired from subs and warships. The Sov. era battlecruiser the Kirov, undergoing modernisation, will be the first warship to carry Zircon when it resumes service in late 2021/ 2022.
The Kalibir cruise missile of 2500km carried by small corvettes too,is getting a range extn. to 4000km. These can have N-warheads too. In addition, both Rubin and the Malachite sub design bureaus are working on new N-subs like the Husky,smaller than the Yasen, but carries the same no. of weaponry. The design is modular and can be also built as an SSBN. A new conv. design is also in the pipeline,the Kalina to start replacing legacy conv. subs from later in the decade.

In the surface warship category,a new amphib. light carrier concept the Varan and similar concepts have energed. Multi-purpose smaller flat-tops to deal with crises that do not require larger CVs,plus add to the fleet's CBG capability if required.
A new patrol vessel which is submersible as well has been developed of just 1000t. V.useful for ISR as well as general patrol duties,plus can carry missiles and torpedoes too. There are new corvette classes ,heavily armed being developed.Interestingly the USN too is looking at smaller warships well- armed instead of larger FFGs and DDGs in large number to deal with littoral conflicts and the PLAN in the ICS and Pacific.

So keep an eagle eye out for Ru weapons developments. They are unique come at much lower costs as western milware too.
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Philip wrote:There is also no western or Chin equiv of the Tsirkon 3M22 hypersonic missiles to be fitted to all RuN naval assets,fired from subs and warships. The Sov. era battlecruiser the Kirov, undergoing modernisation, will be the first warship to carry Zircon when it resumes service in late 2021/ 2022.
That's because the requirements are different leading others to field weapons that offer more range and speed than this particular Russian weapon. The USN conventional hypersonic weapon being developed for employment from submarines (IR-CPS) has a range in excess of 3,000 km - It is an intermediate range weapon. That's the role they see for high speed weapons dictated by their threats and doctrine. It will be deployed on the SSN fleet and later expanded to other classes and eventually come aboard the surface combatants as well. The second weapon is shorter ranged but also quite a bit different in capability owing to its requirements (multi-mission). And then you have the aircraft because a major source of land-attack and surface warfare capability (doctrinally and logically) in the USN resides within its Carrier Air Wing and support structure.

Chinese surface and sub-surface high speed fires programs remain opaque but given the type of fleet they are building, they probably too will focus on medium to intermediate range capability to hold targets at risk at longer ranges.

Threats and your fleet capability (what type of vessels you operate or plan to build for the future) determines what you put into your cells and where you invest. You don't just match the specs of what one of your opponents might be doing but rather look what your need is, what sort of targets you need to use these weapons on, what risk the platforms that carry them have to defeat to employ them and what the kill chain requires (time-to-target at range). If you need a particular range or speed, you don't water down your requirements for the same just because your opponent might be fielding something different. That is an absurd way of looking at things (comparisons). You field what you need and your requirements reflect (hopefully) a process that starts by identifying gaps in your current capability, or emerging gaps in future abilities, and then looking at a wide range of solutions that plug those gaps.
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PS: This is no reflection of our own indigenous milware being developed.Certainly in strat.missiles we are v.well provided for.Once the K-5 and future sub-launched ICBMs arrive,, our SSBN leg of the N- triad will be complete. Where we need a lot of work to do is designing and building more powerful N-reactors for our subs. We obtained much Ru assisstance for our Arihant class remember. The SSN programme is a great challenge and opportunity for our scientists.Modern subs today launch drones from UW, act as motherships for UUVs and carry hypersonic missiles and Shkval type high-speed torpedoes. In UW warfare,we've a lot to learn.The MOD should increase the naval budget and its R&D funds too,so we can build experimental submersibles,etc. to meet our future reqs.

True about one's threat perceptions and targets, this was not a comparison between the RuN and USN, their doctrine differs, but the issue was doubt about the Ru capabilities which some for ideological reasons always decry. Underestimating your enemy's capabilities is a sure road to defeat.
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Philip wrote:
True about one's threat perceptions and targets, this was not a comparison between the RuN and USN, their doctrine differs, but the issue was doubt about the Ru capabilities which some for ideological reasons always decry. Underestimating your enemy's capabilities is a sure road to defeat.
You specifically mentioned these two navies for comparison implying either the superiority of one weapon system, or inferiority of what these two were doing. As I clearly pointed out, the requirements differ. The US Navy needs to hold targets at risk at very long ranges with some of them requiring time-critical and coordinated strike. This requires very fast medium to intermediate ranged fires which is why their first entry into Hypersonic weapons is a 3K+ km weapon. Something shorter ranged, and slower would not work and thus would not satisfy the requirements for which they need the weapons in the first place. China likewise is building a very large Navy centered around its large surface combatants, ambphibs, and eventually AC employed offensive capability. So they too, given the size and capacity of the their VL cells, are likely to migrate towards longer ranged capability to take out some of their threats at longer ranges to allow their AC force to maneuver (same thing the USN is doing with IR-CPS - attacking A2AD targets early to allow other elements of the force to maneuver more safely than currently possible).
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God knows how the bigger powers want to shape the 21st century. War/peace/Silence/Cryptic actions... :?: :idea: :-?
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Enormous CBG with few JSF aircraft aboard! Will give some int. facts later of RN woes.

Anyway, the RuN FFG Marshal Shapovnikov fired a Kalibir missile in a test which failed,keeled over right after it cleared thd vessel. V.rare for a Kalibir to fail.Was it a new variant?
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The maiden 28-week deployment is for the UK carrier will serve as a proof-of-concept for a lot of firsts including integrating the largest 5th generation fighter deployment on an AC with surface combatants from multiple nations and joint integration exercises with the French CdG and other NATO navies. Later the plan is to exercise with the IN as well. It will also feature a training stint with an F-35B carrying USMC Amphib. group in the Pacific (likely USS Makin Island that has been operating in the Pacific for some months) so will provide the ship, the crew, and pilots the ability to practice integration and interoperability with a F-35's and V-22's operating from a different vessel (no doubt their would be cross deck opportunities). Exercises with a deployed USN CVN is probably on the cards as well. If the schedules align, it is quite possible that we could see dual carrier-operations between HMS QE and USS Carl Vinson, the latter would be (later this year) on the first USN multi-month CVN deployment with an F-35C squadron and CMV-22B's on board. That would be quite a site with roughly 40 F-35's between the two vessels.

They are putting 18 F-35B's out there (blended RN and USMC air-wing), along with about 15 a/c rotary winged component covering ASuW, ASW, CSAR etc. Crowsnest airborne surveillance platform will be deployed as well, having just recently entered service. Not a bad way to break in the first in class carrier. They should be able to pull a couple of such deployments before their F-35B fleet, and the carrier group declares Full Operational Capability in the 2024-2025 timeframe.

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Some data points on what goes into first-in-class Carrier testing and operations. In particular the insistence on the Ford class completing full ship shock trials despite the US having produced dozens of carriers in the past across multiple generations and designs. FSST has and will likely add a full year to a year and a half to first deployment just given the pre and post FSST availabilities and additional work. The US Navy wanted to put the USS GR Ford on COCOM availability in 2022 by deferring FSST to the second in class vessel (CVN-79) but these plans were overruled by the operational testers and Congress. Summer 2021 FSST, and subsequent availability will likely push the first multi-month COCOM deployment to early 2023. Perhaps late 2022 if they come out of FSST with minimal damage/corrective actions.

USS Gerald R. Ford closes out evolutionary 18-month PDT&T for first-in-class aircraft carrier

CSSQT validated Gerald R. Ford’s self-defense capabilities and demonstrated the crew’s expertise in engaging a barrage of formidable targets. During the culminating live-fire exercise, the crew destroyed rocket-propelled drones capable of speeds in excess of 600 miles per hour; towed drone units that simulated incoming rockets; and remote controlled, high-speed maneuvering surface targets. The ship employed RIM-116 missiles; sea sparrow missiles; and rounds from the Mk-15 Phalanx Close-In Weapon System (CIWS), which fires armor-piercing tungsten bullets at 4,500 rounds per minute. The ship’s Dual Band Radar provided accurate target identification and tracking, enabling watch standers to execute pre-planned responses.

“When CVN 78 began PDT&T in November 2019, the ship had logged about 800 launches and recoveries. Then we really started stressing the ship’s 23 new technologies, especially EMALS [Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System] and AAG [Advanced Arresting Gear]. Now just 18 months later, the ship has logged more than 8,100 cats and traps, with more than 7,300 during PDT&T alone.”

Downey recounted an unrelenting pace of operations, beginning with aircraft compatibility testing in January 2020, followed by flight deck certification in March, when Carrier Strike Group 12 (CSG-12) assumed operational control. In May, the ship embarked Carrier Air Wing 8 (CVW-8) and conducted the first fully integrated carrier strike group operations.

Just six months later in November 2020, CVN 78 remained underway for 25 days during ISE 13 to embark CVW-8 and to conduct fully integrated carrier strike group operations under CSG 12’s leadership and operational control. CVW-8 completed more than 1,000 launches and arrestments during this steaming event—flying as many as 50 sorties per day, in all weather, and in various sea states.

A reduced air-wing of 35 aircraft was embarked, approximately 50% of a complete air wing, which trained in delivering light and heavy inert ordnance. As ship’s crew and air wing fine-tuned its collaborative expertise, CSG-12 embarked multiple warfare commanders and executed multi-ship operations, demonstrating the growing maturity of CVN 78’s command and control (C2) systems and architecture across the full spectrum of warfare.

The following month, during a 10-day underway period in December 2020, Gerald R. Ford’s crew completed more than 840 launches and arrestments, while qualifying 58 new pilots. The crew supported a new single-day record of 170 launches and 175 arrestments in an 8.5-hour period.

“If you just look at this ship in terms of meeting planned goals, the numbers are right on or ahead of plan,” said Downey. “In 18 months, we corrected 99% of the 9,000-plus work items outstanding at ship’s delivery. Work completed during PDT&T averaged 113% of the plan. And the crew has cycled the first seven of the ship’s 11 Advanced Weapons Elevators [AWEs] more than 14,200 times, with close to half of those evolutions at sea.”

The ability to conduct integrated strike group operations in parallel with planned ship testing and trials has accelerated the Navy’s ability to prepare for Full Ship Shock Trials (FSST), scheduled for this summer, and an inaugural Planned Incremental Availability (PIA) beginning in September.

The four-month FSST will assess the ability of shipboard equipment and systems to operate satisfactorily after a shock event, and validate the shock model used during the design process for Gerald R. Ford-class aircraft carriers. While some of the ship’s systems and equipment may require repairs during and after the shock trials, the Navy does not expect to see impacts that would jeopardize the safety of the crew or impact future operations. Preparation for the FSST period is well underway, with 99% of all shipboard components reviewed and ready for the event. Gerald R. Ford’s FSST marks the first time the Navy has conducted underwater shock testing on an aircraft carrier since USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN 71) in 1987.
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