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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 14 May 2018 23:25

Austin wrote:Russia Celebrates Black Sea Fleet Day!



What is the ship firing its gun on the link? It doesn’t look like a Russian ship and I’m pretty sure there isn’t a crotale looking weapon in the RU navy.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 15 May 2018 07:54

The gun should be Moskva destroyer and the crotale like missile would be sa-n-6 an old Sam we had on Godavari class frigate

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Lisa » 17 May 2018 00:35

^^ It might be,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052_ ... 5L-005.jpg

Type 052 destroyer

What do you think?

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 17 May 2018 06:44

Lisa wrote:^^ It might be,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_052_ ... 5L-005.jpg

Type 052 destroyer

What do you think?



I think you’re right, Lisa.

Dammit, I should have caught it since I’ve been chini mil watching for the past year too.

In my defense, the Type 052 was before my watching days. I know 052B and up. And had no idea I needed to dig into the PLAN’s fleet for a video on the Russkie navy. lol

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 17 May 2018 09:59

French admiral rated Russian submarines

WASHINGTON, May 16 - RIA Novosti. Modern Russian submarines are "incredibly fast and quiet," said Admiral Christophe Prazak, Chief of Staff of the French Navy.

Russian submarines are modern, incredibly fast and quiet," said Prazak, speaking at the Center for International and Strategic Studies in Washington.

The admiral also noted a sharp increase in the number of ships of the Chinese Navy. According to him, only in the past four years, China has put into operation 80 ships, which equals the entire surface fleet of France. In addition, he said, China is already building an aircraft carrier.

All this, according to Prazak, shows that France and the fleet of other NATO countries can not guarantee their leading positions in the world.


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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 17 May 2018 10:15

It seems even the Russian have a need to be appreciated by the west and not just India. That's incredible

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Kartik » 19 May 2018 04:31

MH-60R Seahawk production winds down as international interest remains tenuous

Production of Sikorsky’s MH-60 Seahawk is set to conclude in the next 18 months as the US Navy tops off its fleet and potential international customers have yet to commit to buy additional aircraft.

The USN is set to receive the last of the 280 MH-60R variants in the programme of record this June and then another eight of the helicopters in 2019 – additions to the 2018 budget. The Saudi Royal Navy is to receive 10 MH-60Rs in July.

“The production line is still active. It is still operating. It is coming towards the end of its life,” said USN Capt Craig Grubb, who manages the MH-60 helicopter programme. “If you want to buy MH-60s this is the time to act.”

International customers are expressing interest in the MH-60R but have yet to make commitments, he added. The MH-60R is operated by Australia and Denmark, in addition to the United States and soon Saudi Arabia.

Seahawk helicopter missions include anti-surface warfare, combat support, humanitarian disaster relief, combat search and rescue, aero medical evacuation, special operations and organic airborne mine countermeasures, according to the USN...

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 23 May 2018 12:05

The photos of USN warships made through the periscope of a Russian submarine (Oscar-II class) in autumn 2016 in the Mediterranean Sea.

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December 28,2017. President Vladimir Putin and Counter Admiral Valery Varfolomeyev(commander of the 11th division of submarines of the Oscar class)at a ceremony to present state awards to the Russian service personnel who took part in the counter-terrorism operation in the Syria.

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https://twitter.com/capt_navy/status/968039628350590976

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Thakur_B » 26 May 2018 05:33

Singha wrote:israel test fires lora missile from freighter. could put in shipping container

https://www.rt.com/news/393851-israel-c ... -launcher/


When the Russians put Klub missiles in containers there was massive hue and cry. Not so much now.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 26 May 2018 05:45

Ha!Ha! So is zat ve van't Seahawks for the IN before production winds down just like our C- 17 buys?
A " quickie" with Uncle Sam before another legacy product retires? The Yanquis want us to buy all their stuff being phased out like F-16s, F-18s, C-17s and now Seahawks, accompanied with threatened sanctions too! :mrgreen:

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby pravula » 26 May 2018 09:17

Thakur_B wrote:
Singha wrote:israel test fires lora missile from freighter. could put in shipping container

https://www.rt.com/news/393851-israel-c ... -launcher/


When the Russians put Klub missiles in containers there was massive hue and cry. Not so much now.


I have always felt a few floating barges with containerized SLBMs would be a great cost saver. Extra points if they could fire from inland harbors or waterways.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 26 May 2018 09:28

Philip wrote:Ha!Ha! So is zat ve van't Seahawks for the IN before production winds down just like our C- 17 buys?
A " quickie" with Uncle Sam before another legacy product retires? The Yanquis want us to buy all their stuff being phased out like F-16s, F-18s, C-17s and now Seahawks, accompanied with threatened sanctions too! :mrgreen:



I dont think there is a seahawk replacement program.

the only new helicopter nearing IOC is the CH53K for the marines which is huge and meant for the LHD and CVN ships , far too large for DDG/FFG

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 29 May 2018 20:51

"Rebirth of the SNA: from SMAF to Barracuda (1998-2017)": Found a new illustration of SMAF (submarine of future attack) showing it in a detailed view of the internal shell in computer aided drawing.

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http://lefauteuildecolbert.blogspot.com ... acuda.html

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 29 May 2018 22:26

the swimmer delivery module is just a proposed add on to barracuda.

every submarine concept has it these days, with a few VL tubes aft of sail....just like every soln claims to have ML and AI inbuilt now.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Kersi » 30 May 2018 00:10

Austin wrote:The gun should be Moskva destroyer and the crotale like missile would be sa-n-6 an old Sam we had on Godavari class frigate


We never had such missiles launchers on "Godvari' class or any other IN ship.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Kersi » 30 May 2018 00:13

Philip wrote:Ha!Ha! So is zat ve van't Seahawks for the IN before production winds down just like our C- 17 buys?
A " quickie" with Uncle Sam before another legacy product retires? The Yanquis want us to buy all their stuff being phased out like F-16s, F-18s, C-17s and now Seahawks, accompanied with threatened sanctions too! :mrgreen:


What is the alternative ? Mi XYZ or KaABC ?

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Prem » 31 May 2018 07:19

Get Ready, Russia, China and North Korea: The Navy Wants New Missile Submarines
http://nationalinterest.org/blog/the-bu ... -new-26028

The Navy and industry may be speeding up full production plans for its first Columbia-Class nuclear armed ballistic missile submarine as part of a broader move to increase the size of the service's submarine fleet more quickly.According to Navy statements, the first Columbia-Class submarine has been scheduled to begin construction by 2021 as a first step toward achieving operational status by the early 2030s.However, industry leaders, members of Congress and Navy developers have all called for both fully funding and accelerating the program, an effort which will bring new nuclear undersea strategic deterrence technology to the Navy.With this in mind, the development strategy for the Columbia-Class could well be described in terms of a two-pronged approach; in key respects, the new boats will introduce a number of substantial leaps forward or technical innovations - while simultaneously leveraging currently available cutting-edge technologies from the Virginia-Class attack submarines, Navy program managers have told Warrior.Designed to be 560-feet– long and house 16 Trident II D5 missiles fired from 44-foot-long missile tubes, Columbia-Class submarines will be engineered as a stealthy, high-tech nuclear deterrent able to quietly patrol the global undersea domain.While Navy developers explain that many elements of the new submarines are not available for discussion for security reasons, some of its key innovations include a more efficient electric drive propulsion system driving the shafts and a next-generation nuclear reactor.he Columbia-Class will also use Virginia-class’s next-generation communications system, antennas and mast. For instance, what used to be a periscope is now a camera mast connected to fiber-optic cable, enabling crew members in the submarine to see images without needing to stand beneath the periscope. This allows designers to move command and control areas to larger parts of the ship and still have access to images from the camera mast, Electric Boat and Navy officials said.
The Columbia-Class will utilize Virginia-class’ fly-by-wire joystick control system and large-aperture bow array sonar. The automated control fly-by-wire navigation system is also a technology that is on the Virginia-Class attack submarines. A computer built-into the ship's control system uses algorithms to maintain course and depth by sending a signal to the rudder and the stern, a Navy Virginia Class program developer told Warrior Maven in a previous interview.Navy experts explained that the large aperture bow array is water backed with no dome and very small hydrophones able to last for the life of the ship; the new submarines do not have an air-backed array, preventing the need to replace transducers every 10-years.In January of last year, development of the new submarines have passed what's termed "Milestone B," clearing the way beyond early development toward ultimate production.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby pravula » 01 Jun 2018 06:18

Pentagon: US military has a lot of experience 'taking down small islands' in Pacific

“I would just tell you that the United States military has had a lot of experience in the Western Pacific taking down small islands,” McKenzie said, when asked if the United States has the ability to “blow apart” one of China's disputed, man-made islands in the South China Sea.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 01 Jun 2018 19:16

^^^ I would say the chini islands are not 1/100th as challenging as Tarawa or Iwo Jima.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 01 Jun 2018 19:23

USN in market for a frigate. And it might be Italian:

https://breakingdefense.com/2018/05/the-navys-potential-new-frigate-connects-crew-lots-of-space-for-commandos/

The Navy’s Potential New Frigate Connects Crew, Lots of Space for Commandos

Five shipbuilders are fighting it out to build 20 of the U.S. Navy's new frigates, and one competitor is sailing though a whirlwind East Coast tour.

By PAUL MCLEARY
on May 31, 2018 at 3:47 PM


BALTIMORE HARBOR: The U.S. Navy is in the market for a new frigate, and the ship of the future might be sitting pierside in Manhattan.

The Italian frigate ITS Alpino steamed out of Baltimore harbor Wednesday evening to spend a few days in New York and Boston, the final leg of an East Coast tour that also saw it conduct training operations with the USS Gonzalez off the Virginia coast.

For Italian shipbuilder Fincantieri — and its Marinette, Wisc.-based subsidiary, Fincantieri Marine Group, — the tour is a prime opportunity to show off the capabilities of the ship that is competing for the contract to build the Navy’s next guided missile frigate, known as the FFG(X).

During a tour of the ship on Wednesday in Baltimore, one of the things that struck me first was the amount of space belowdecks. Company representatives said they used lessons learned in the commercial shipbuilding world to ensure that sailors could reach critical machinery and hardware quickly, without having to take apart parts of the ship to perform repairs. That means wide walkways with wires tucked away (though visible) and lots of machinery stacked along the walls that can easily be pulled out, repaired, or replaced.

Since the ship is networked to a degree that we haven’t seen in U.S. naval vessels, sailors are able to access the internal network from almost anywhere onboard by literally plugging a laptop into ports located throughout the vessel and entering their unique login information. It’s an innovation that keep the crew connected, and gives engineers the ability to monitor and adjust systems from wherever they are.

That plug-and-play networking, along with a fire control system that uses overhead sprinklers and heat-activated cameras to alert the command center when a fire has broken out, allows the crew of about 140 to identify and isolate any problems quickly, something that Vice Admiral Richard Hunt (Ret.), Fincantieri Marinette Marine’s chief strategy officer, told me was critical for a ship of this size with a relatively small crew.

Hunt pointed to the double helicopter hangers and the large flight deck that, unlike U.S. ships, doesn’t require sailors to go outside to help the aircraft land, since the helo lands on a claw that locks the aircraft in place, and then retracts into the hangar bay. If the U.S. Navy chooses the Aegis-equipped version of the ship Fincantieri is pitching, Hunt said he envisions the second hanger possibly being used for unmanned systems, even though the Navy has stated it wants the FFG(X) to have room for one MH-60R Seahawk helicopter.


Pretty major development since the USN had been an all DDG/CG surface fleet for decades now.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 02 Jun 2018 14:55

The USN's latest super- CV, the Ford, is experiencing more glitches, this time with its non-reactor propulsion package.There were reported similar problems earlier.EMALS too appear to have some glitches.

Some analysts say that it was a strategic mistake to build such an expensive CV with its hugely expensive F-35s too
.To counter Russia and China, smaller carriers with LR unmanned vehicles would be the order of the day,, or a mix of the two.The IN should also take note and advocate building a slightly larger sidstership than IAC-1 and improve upon it in sev.areas like larger lifts, etc., making it possible to carry a wide variety of aircraft and UCAVs.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 02 Jun 2018 14:56

The USN's latest super- CV, the Ford, is experiencing more glitches, this time with its non-reactor propulsion package.There were reported similar problems earlier.EMALS too appear to have some glitches.

Some analysts say that it was a strategic mistake to build such an expensive CV with its hugely expensive F-35s too
.To counter Russia and China, smaller carriers with LR unmanned vehicles would be the order of the day,, or a mix of the two.The IN should also take note and advocate building a slightly larger sidstership than IAC-1 and improve upon it in sev.areas like larger lifts, etc., making it possible to carry a wide variety of aircraft and UCAVs.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Neshant » 03 Jun 2018 10:11

what consequences could he be referring to?

sounds like a bluff.

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Mattis Warns Of "Consequences" If Beijing Continues Weaponizing The South China Sea

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... -china-sea

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 03 Jun 2018 14:47

Neshant wrote:what consequences could he be referring to?

sounds like a bluff.

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Mattis Warns Of "Consequences" If Beijing Continues Weaponizing The South China Sea

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... -china-sea



Consequences are this:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/31/politics/us-warning-south-china-sea/index.html

US warns of ability to take down Chinese artificial islands
By Barbara Starr, Ryan Browne and Ben Westcott, CNN
Updated 9:55 PM EDT, Thu May 31, 2018


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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 03 Jun 2018 17:12

Neshant wrote:what consequences could he be referring to?

sounds like a bluff.

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Mattis Warns Of "Consequences" If Beijing Continues Weaponizing The South China Sea

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... -china-sea


Most US generals and Admirals need to do such political grandstanding else they wont pass through US Congress for their appointments or any reviews that comes before them , IF you watch any US congress Armed forces talk and Q&A they are typical John Rambo style stuff which is how things work there , Mattis can talk a lot but he wont be able to walk the talk ?

Eventually Chinese have US MNC and Demps in their pocket and couple of Reps too , There is little they can do there without badly hurting them in return

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 03 Jun 2018 19:04

Typical barking from the " Mad Dog" ! He has to sound tough.How he is going to " take down" these Chin fait accompli beats me.Nuke them with tactical nukes p'raps?
Well, the US could unleash a salvo of Lens, another possibility, but Chin air defences will take down a few.The total destruction of the runways and mining of the atolls would make it v.difficult but not impossible for the Chins to restore them swiftly.Another possibility is to first hit them then seize them as in WW2, island hopping.I really doubt that the Chins will put up a serious fight once their backsides are burnt.Look at their retreat in Vietnam."Cowards who run away and live to fight another day."

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Neshant » 04 Jun 2018 01:17

Looks like a case of all hat and no cowboy.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jun 2018 17:08

Australian Sub defeats US Navy in exercise


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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 06 Jun 2018 17:23

Never fails to amaze me.. How all these youtube videos run the common line of
"______(French, Swedish, Chinese,Australian) Sub defeats the American Navy"

Just one sub is enough :D

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby kit » 06 Jun 2018 17:25

chola wrote:
Neshant wrote:what consequences could he be referring to?

sounds like a bluff.

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Mattis Warns Of "Consequences" If Beijing Continues Weaponizing The South China Sea

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-06- ... -china-sea



Consequences are this:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/05/31/politics/us-warning-south-china-sea/index.html

US warns of ability to take down Chinese artificial islands
By Barbara Starr, Ryan Browne and Ben Westcott, CNN
Updated 9:55 PM EDT, Thu May 31, 2018



why dont they take down one small one for starters to show that they mean it :((

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Kakarat » 06 Jun 2018 18:01

^ I think you are not getting the point the empty threats are the Consequences, they are not going to do anything more than that

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 07 Jun 2018 17:16

I don’t think it is empty. Telling them point blank that the US Navy and Marines have the capability and indeed a history of taking down heavily defended islands is a threat backed by muscle and intention. The chinis would be stupid to ignore it.

That said, Cheen is not a warrior people but a mercantile one and would do everything they could short of war to not give the US a pretext.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 07 Jun 2018 19:57

The chinese are not utterly stupid nor have the ignored threats from the US over the past few years. Now when do you think will Massa stop the talking and do the actual walking. Hell at least our boys have warm and friendly one on one wrestling matches now and then with them.
I don't think I will need to order the bhajjia's anytime soon..

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 07 Jun 2018 20:13

Manish_P wrote:The chinese are not utterly stupid nor have the ignored threats from the US over the past few years. Now when do you think will Massa stop the talking and do the actual walking. Hell at least our boys have warm and friendly one on one wrestling matches now and then with them.
I don't think I will need to order the bhajjia's anytime soon..



Saar, our boys wrestle with their scrawny border guards in the Himalayas. Unkil wrestles with their aircraft and warships a few miles off the lizard’s coast.

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They sure as hell know the US Navy (and Air Force) is around.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 07 Jun 2018 21:52

They sure as hell know the US Navy (and Air Force) is around.


They do know that Saar. For instance remember this..

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But as of date it's been just like two gully dada's shouting loudly at each other, scared to really get their hands in.

Sure once in a while thing's spiced up a bit... but never really enough for us SDREs to bring out the popcorn..

Anyway, like i said earlier, i will wait but not hold my breath..

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 08 Jun 2018 11:59

Cheen is not a warrior nation. The United States is.

https://amp.businessinsider.com/retiring-chinese-general-reveals-chinas-greatest-military-weakness-2018-6

China's People's Liberation Army Gen. He Lei, one of the more hawkish voices asserting Beijing's absolute rights to the South China Sea, made a telling observation at a defense conference in Singapore that reveals his military's biggest weakness.

China has undertaken massive strides to build a world-class navy. After what the nationalists in China call a century of humiliation, going back to Japan's occupation of China, Beijing has emerged as a military power that could soon surpass the US.

But even with the world's largest military, cheap labor, massive spy services, and suspected cyber theft of US military secrets, the Chinese can't match the US where it counts.

"I am retiring soon. My one big regret is that I never had a chance to fight in a war," Gen. He said, according to Aaron Connelly, director of the Southeast Asia Project at the Lowy Institute.

Though it's strange to regret peace, He correctly identified what the Academy of Military Science of the Chinese People's Liberation Army previously told Business Insider was the Chinese military's biggest weakness: inexperience.


Why look to the US? What have we done with these SYRE chinis?

We missed a great opportunity at Doklam. The chinis were asking us to fight them when we held overwhelming (upwards of 15 or 20 to 1) advantages in men and aircraft along the entire border.

It was the perfect setup for a historic victory with very low risk. Beating porkistan over and over again gained us no great reputation.

But Cheen is a P5 power with accompanying reputation and a nice fancy military to match (but nearly all of it on their eastern seaboard, a continent away from India.)

We would have been fighting with a massive local advantage against a people who doesn’t have any experience in fighting, who doesn’t know how to fight and who doesn’t like fighting. But who has global cachet as a great power. We would have instantly vaulted to the top of Asia with an all but guaranteed victory.

But as fellow small rice eating types, we were just as ready to avoid a fight.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Karan M » 08 Jun 2018 12:04

Can you kindly stop the rah rah US, bah bah weak India trope or take it somewhere else?

This sort of pointless commentary is neither beneficial or encouraged.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 08 Jun 2018 12:15

Just saying how it is. We missed a great opportunity at Doklam against a nation of shopkeepers and factory workers.

When the US does go to war with Cheen it will end with the annihilation of the PLA and a regime change and we will gain nothing from it. Resources from the US and all its allies will go into rebuilding a democratic China in its image, think a giant sized Japan, and it will starve resources for every other developing nation including India.

We will rue the day we missed that opportunity because a democratic Cheen won’t change the civilization competition but it will leave then wealthier and stronger with the rest of the Far East and the West backing them.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Jun 2018 12:29

How did we miss the great opportunity at Doklam ?

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 08 Jun 2018 12:42

Karan M wrote:Can you kindly stop the rah rah US, bah bah weak India trope or take it somewhere else?

This sort of pointless commentary is neither beneficial or encouraged.


+1.

At the least, it can be taken in the appropriate strategic threads..


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