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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 08 Jun 2018 18:17

Austin wrote:How did we miss the great opportunity at Doklam ?


By not obliging the PRC’s offer for a nice war and a historic victory on the borders that would have changed Asia’s hierarchy in our lifetime. I’ll take this to the Lizard Defanged and Neutered thread if anyone is interested.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Jun 2018 21:33

chola wrote:
Austin wrote:How did we miss the great opportunity at Doklam ?


By not obliging the PRC’s offer for a nice war and a historic victory on the borders that would have changed Asia’s hierarchy in our lifetime. I’ll take this to the Lizard Defanged and Neutered thread if anyone is interested.


Thats easier said than done , There is no gurantee that war would be confined to our borders and what if Pakistan opens another front.

India has been very cautious even with Pakistan who has been sending terrorist since decades and killed literally 1 lakh soldiers in the valley and injured far more but we never went to war with Pakistan , Relatively China border issue is far less troublesome , Both havent lost one soldier due to fire on either side Indo-China border , while in Indo-Pak border loosing soldier every fortnight has become a routine

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 16 Jun 2018 12:44

The £6 billion Royal Navy fleet that hardly ever went to sea: Warships that can't sail in the heat spent 80 per cent of the year in dock

The British Royal Navy's six Type 45 £1 billion destroyers barely ever leave their docks
HMS Dauntless and HMS Defender, spent no time at sea during 2017 despite it being 'year of the navy'
The Type 45 destroyers all have engines fitted in 2008 that cut out in warm seas
In December Britain didn't have a single ship on overseas operations anywhere


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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Prem » 20 Jun 2018 10:14

http://www.businessinsider.com/columbia ... m=referral
The Navy is making progress on the stealthy 'electric drive' system that will power its new Columbia-class missile sub

The Columbia class is to be equipped with an electric-drive propulsion train, as opposed to the mechanical-drive propulsion train used on other Navy submarines.In today's Ohio-class submarines, a reactor plant generates heat which creates steam, Navy officials explained. The steam then turns turbines which produce electricity and also propel the ship forward through "reduction gears" which are able to translate the high-speed energy from a turbine into the shaft RPMs needed to move a boat propeller."The electric-drive system is expected to be quieter (i.e., stealthier) than a mechanical-drive system," a Congressional Research Service report on Columbia-Class submarines from earlier this year states.Navy developers explain that electric-drive propulsion technology still relies on a nuclear reactor to generate heat and create steam to power turbines. However, the electricity produced is transferred to an electric motor rather than so-called reduction gears to spin the boat's propellers.The use of an electric motor brings other advantages as well, according to an MIT essay written years ago when electric drive was being evaluated for submarine propulsion.Using an electric motor optimizes use of installed reactor power in a more efficient way compared with mechanical drive submarines, making more on-board power available for other uses, according to an essay called "Evaluation and Comparison of Electric Propulsion Motors for Submarines." Author Joel Harbour says that on mechanical drive submarine, 80-percent of the total reactor power is used exclusively for propulsion."With an electric drive submarine, the installed reactor power of the submarine is first converted into electrical power and then delivered to an electric propulsion motor. The now available electrical potential not being used for propulsion could easily be tapped into for other uses," he writes.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 23 Jun 2018 16:39

Australia tipped to buy British naval frigates in $35 billion deal with old partner

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 4zmea.html

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 23 Jun 2018 16:59

Austin wrote:Australia tipped to buy British naval frigates in $35 billion deal with old partner

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 4zmea.html


Holy crap! $35B for 9 frigates? That works out to nearly $4B per ship? Frigates! Each is about the cost of our Vikrant carrier.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 23 Jun 2018 17:12

well they are very large 7000t DDG.....wider in beam than our P15B.
they are frigates only if you consider the horizon class a frigate.

but the cost still looks very excessive.....1-1.5b would be more reasonable loaded cost.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 23 Jun 2018 17:28

watch with sound and HD. while toothless dogs yelp their show of defiance, the real tigers bring on the teeth and long sticks as needed



now close your eyes and imagine such a lineup of heavies coming out of vizag, arakonnam, car nicobar and so on....

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 23 Jun 2018 17:34

best one is the backfire head on at night - headlights on, afterburners on .... kaha hai woh Type55 threatening to raze chennai to the ground ?

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 23 Jun 2018 18:40

Nice Video who every did that deserves Kudos.

While the Backfire does a full after burner take off with perfect blue after burner clearly visible , The Backjack seems to take off with just military power no AB and the huge wings gives it good lift capability and the sweep angle indicates 20-25 degree sweep at take off ?

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 23 Jun 2018 18:50

Singha wrote:watch with sound and HD. while toothless dogs yelp their show of defiance, the real tigers bring on the teeth and long sticks as needed



now close your eyes and imagine such a lineup of heavies coming out of vizag, arakonnam, car nicobar and so on....


Do you see or hear any interest in IN to acquire them?

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 23 Jun 2018 19:44

the blackjack when empty might have a very good t:w ratio also apart from the long endless wings and lift from the wing-body blended area - its engines are that of the Mig31 times 4.

I also consider the Tu95 bear a superior long loiter ALCM/ASM truck than the B52 - its the fastest turboprop ever built with a high wing sweep angle, 900kmph top speed yet the economy of turboprops, perhaps they can shut down multiple engines in cruise mode.
and its wheels are conventional and wide out behind the engines vs the B52 droopy wings and 2+2 wheels all under the fuselage.
8 ALCM rails under the wings, loaded with KH101

however B52 does cart 2x the payload of the bear.....

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 23 Jun 2018 21:26

German ddg sachsen in ex off norway suffered accident when sm2 failed to hot launch instead burned inside the vls, burning g other missiles and causing burns on superstructure and wounding two seamen

Ship docked into norway

This is their main aaw class with smartL apar and sirius irst with sm2 and ram

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 24 Jun 2018 08:49

most likely much of the other VLS cells were empty. the scorch marks indicate a considerable fire had erupted on the deck before being doused.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 24 Jun 2018 10:58

Singha wrote:German ddg sachsen in ex off norway suffered accident when sm2 failed to hot launch instead burned inside the vls, burning g other missiles and causing burns on superstructure and wounding two seamen

Ship docked into norway

This is their main aaw class with smartL apar and sirius irst with sm2 and ram


Thats danger with hot launch once the propellent is burnt inside the VLS container then depending on fast it is contained this can cause secondary explosion to near by VLS shell and at the least can make the other VLS missile non-operational for safety reason during combat mission Thankfully this looks contained.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby barath_s » 24 Jun 2018 18:03

https://quwa.org/2018/06/18/analysis-th ... t-plans-2/

Earlier Background : Pakistan had bought four Chinee (CSTC)Type 054A multi-mission frigates to be delivered 2021 to replace 4 remaining Royal Navy Type 21 Tariq/babur class ASW/AshW frigates (. the oldest remaining ship (PNS Tariq) was launched in 1975. However, the 1 year turnaround per frigate for construction, sea trials and subsystem certification is short. It is also likely that China would sell equivalent export variants of the 054A systems.

Article discusses the likely systems/weapons and implications

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby barath_s » 24 Jun 2018 18:23

Singha wrote:well they are very large 7000t DDG.....wider in beam than our P15B.
they are frigates only if you consider the horizon class a frigate.

but the cost still looks very excessive.....1-1.5b would be more reasonable loaded cost.



RAND corporation says that Australian governments traditionally pay 30–40% premium for building ships in Australia. ie Some of that cost is for creating/sustaining an Australian shipbuilding industry.

https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/getti ... making-it/

Second - That's AUS $35 billion ~= USD 26 billion or USD 2.88 billion per frigate

Third - the last frigate will be delivered sometime in the 2040s.So there is probably a cost inflation built in.

By comparison, The Royal Navy’s eight vessels are expected to cost £8 billion (AUD $13.8 billion), and it is the most modern (and likely capable) of the lot, having not yet been built (FREMM and Navantia are likely cheaper)

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 28 Jun 2018 10:08

Footage has emerged of the Jun 21 SM-2 SAM misfire aboard the #Germany Navy vessel Sachsen (F219)

https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/stat ... 0595649536

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 29 Jun 2018 18:24

Australia chose the British frigates type 26

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 29 Jun 2018 18:32

Austin wrote:Australia chose the British frigates type 26

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Yeah, that’s a DDG by any other name. Classification these days between frigates and destroyers are meaningless.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Chinmay » 29 Jun 2018 19:56

So the Aussies chose the most expensive design with the highest risks? Just like their future sub program :roll: :roll:

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 29 Jun 2018 20:42

the RN is also going to start on a smaller Type31e frigate in a couple of years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_31e_frigate

QE2 near gibraltar - no JSF seems to be onboarded yet

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 30 Jun 2018 22:01

rare look inside the andersen afb guam. we really need one such in the andamans with new build tu160 mk2 on the flight line
it has the largest stockpile of munitions in any afb, nearly a mile of bunkers.


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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 30 Jun 2018 22:05

in 1972, 150 B52 were positioned there for cold war paranoia :shock:
one can guess at the scale of the support infra and aprons there

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 30 Jun 2018 22:08

this thing need to grow and take over the whole island - there is plenty of room on the island to make our own andersen and dominate the eastern flank of the IOR , a sister base expanded in TN like arakonnam to patrol the arabian sea and western IOR

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Car+N ... 92.7580701

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 01 Jul 2018 09:33

munition storage area in andersen is >1 km x 3km :twisted:

https://www.google.com/maps/@13.6081707 ... a=!3m1!1e3

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 01 Jul 2018 09:39

So Oz has gone the "family way", buying British regardless of thd xtra cost.Almost $4B .The problems plaguing the latest RN FFGs should give them a warning.Comparing this cost/t with the planned extra Talwars.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby abhik » 02 Jul 2018 08:27

Singha wrote:in 1972, 150 B52 were positioned there for cold war paranoia :shock:
one can guess at the scale of the support infra and aprons there

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... s_1972.jpg

Good find, that fleet must be capable of inflicting the same pain as 20 to 30 big boy aircraft carriers.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Lisa » 02 Jul 2018 18:38

Singha wrote:in 1972, 150 B52 were positioned there for cold war paranoia :shock:
one can guess at the scale of the support infra and aprons there


Less Cold War, more Arclight. At peak, aproned B52's took off to make space for B52's that were running low on fuel!

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Austin » 04 Jul 2018 18:16

Brazil received the former British landing helicopter carrier Ocean
July 3rd, 4:03 am

June 29, 2018 in the British naval base Devonport ceremony of the official transfer of the Brazilian Navy withdrawn from the Royal Navy of the United States landing helicopter carrier L 12 Ocean. The ship received the new Brazilian name A 140 Atlântico and, officially classified as the "multipurpose helicopter carrier" (Porta-Helicópteros Multipropósito), became the largest unit of the Brazilian fleet. Entered into the Brazilian Navy as the A 140 Atlântico, the former British landing helicopter carrier L 12 Ocean. Devonport, June 29, 2013 (c) Brazilian Navy


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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 04 Jul 2018 22:51

Amazing bomb load options the heavies offer the commander

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Arc_Light

Add alcm and hypersonic to mix

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 07 Jul 2018 09:50

Spectacular misfire of a SM-2 from a MK41 VLS on the German Frigate Sachsen. The booster burned off inside thr container!

No injury and fire was contained.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Philip » 17 Jul 2018 10:08

I put forward long ago picking up the retiring ex- RN STOVL carriers ...to be used as amphibs/ ASW platforms.
If we could buy a 4 decade old rust bucket like the Trenton, these are better value for money.Just the cost of one Rafale!

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 18 Jul 2018 19:42

Spain's new submarine 'too big for its dock'

An attempt to deploy a new submarine for Spain's navy has run aground again, after it emerged it cannot fit in its dock, Spanish media report.

The S-80 boat was redesigned at great expense after an earlier mistake meant it had problems floating, and it was lengthened to correct the issue.


Spanish newspaper El País now reports that after the changes, the docks at Cartagena can no longer fit the vessel. The cost for each has almost doubled, the newspaper said.


The original problem with the submarine dates back to 2013, when it was discovered that it was about 100 tons heavier than it needed to be. That caused a problem for its buoyancy - so it could submerge, but might not come back up again. A former Spanish official told the Associated Press at the time that someone had put a decimal point in the wrong place, and "nobody paid attention to review the calculations". That mistake cost a reported €14m while engineers and consultants figured out that buoyancy could be improved by lengthening the boat.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby chola » 18 Jul 2018 20:11

^^^ LoL. Almost like a comedy show. Good to know that TFTA’s from Yurop also f-up.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

Postby Singha » 18 Jul 2018 21:47

and this is navantia/bazan with vast experience in tfta ships like F100 AAW DDG , juan carlos LHD etc.
the U214 subs for greece, turkey and Soko also ran into major troubles.

about kockums A26 gripenSSN hawa mein teerbaazi less said the better. that one did not weigh anchor off the drawing board even.

and yet the old hats massa and bear continue to churn them out - big, fast and quiet.

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

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Re: International Naval News and Discussion

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the lineage of the aegis ships. missing is the spanish F100

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