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Re: International naval news.

Postby namit k » 18 Mar 2009 19:43

^now thats called long term planning

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Postby Gerard » 20 Mar 2009 04:07

New submarine fleet a long way off
There has been a recent flurry of media reports about the plans for Australia's future submarine fleet. Depending on who you read, the number of subs to be built is anywhere from six to 18, and the project budget is somewhere between $12 and $35 billion.

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Postby k prasad » 20 Mar 2009 17:17

Did anyone catch the NatGeo show yesterday about American Supercarriers and the Nimitz??? Typical Yankee selling, about how it is best and all, but with the Nimitz, I guess we'd all agree... the best part was that they divided it into the different technologies that revolutionized aircraft carriers - I caught only the last few bits of it, but what I saw were:

1. Catapults.
2. Angled decks
3. Landing aids (stabilized Fresnels)
4. Nuclear Propulsion (new carriers need only 2 reactors - they also showed how the heavy reactors would need to be put on a honeycomb structure that runs the length of the ship to distribute its weight and prevent the ship from sagging in rough seas.
5. Construction - Virtual prototyping + Modular technique + New materials, including composites (incidentally, the USS George HW Bush Island weighs 700 tons - they showed it being lowered in one piece).

Totally, there were 8 technologies that they talked about...

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Postby Tamang » 20 Mar 2009 20:12

US Navy: 2 vessels collide in Strait of Hormuz

MANAMA, Bahrain – Two U.S. Navy vessels — a submarine and an amphibious ship — collided during the early morning hours Friday in the Strait of Hormuz between Iran and the Arabian peninsula, the U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet reported.

The military said in a statement that the incident occurred around 1:00 a.m. local time on Friday (5 p.m. EDT, Thursday), when the USS Hartford, a submarine, and the USS New Orleans, an amphibious ship, collided.

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Postby Anantz » 20 Mar 2009 20:31

k prasad wrote:Did anyone catch the NatGeo show yesterday about American Supercarriers and the Nimitz???
Totally, there were 8 technologies that they talked about...


Yup, saw the show.The other technologies they talked about were relating to Arrester wires for landing, the RAM for Close in defence against missiles, and armored landing decks which were used in older ships during WW II. They also talked about how they came up with having the Island superstructure on one side of the ship without jeopardizing the center of gravity of the ship. It was quite informative, but it had very less of the Carrier Battle Group and more of the Carrier as a ship. (Which was the real intention)

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Postby Austin » 20 Mar 2009 21:07

Russian Navy to commission first Lada class diesel sub in 2010

The first Lada class diesel-electric submarine featuring extended noise reduction will be commissioned with the Russian Navy in 2010, deputy head of the Navy General Staff said on Friday.


"The sub is undergoing sea trials to test new propulsion, electronics and weapons systems," Vice Admiral Oleg Burtsev said.

The construction of the sub began in 1997 at the St. Petersburg's Admiralty Shipyards. Two other submarines of the same class - the Kronshtadt and the Sevastopol - are being built by the company.

The Russian Navy is planning to commission a total of eight Lada class submarines in the future, the admiral said.
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Postby Austin » 20 Mar 2009 21:11

Russia's submarine fleet has 60 vessels in active service

"These 60 vessels include 10 nuclear-powered strategic submarines, over 30 nuclear-powered attack submarines, diesel-electric submarines and special-purpose subs," the source said.


The Dmitry Donskoy submarine has been modernized as a test platform for Russia's new Bulava missile. Two other subs, the Arkhangelsk and the Severstal, remain in reserve at a naval base in Severodvinsk in north Russia.


"They will most likely be modernized to carry new-generation sea-based cruise missiles to match the U.S. Ohio class submarines," he said. :shock: :twisted:


Russia has started mooring trials of the first Borey class nuclear-powered strategic submarine, which will be equipped with Bulava sea-based ballistic missiles.

Two other Borey class nuclear submarines, the Alexander Nevsky and the Vladimir Monomakh, are currently under construction at the Sevmash shipyard and are expected to be completed in 2009 and 2011. Russia is planning to build a total of eight submarines of this class by 2015.


A fourth-generation Graney class nuclear-powered attack submarine will be delivered to the Russian Navy in 2010-2011. The Severodvinsk submarine combines the ability to launch a variety of long-range cruise missiles (up to 3,100 miles) with nuclear warheads, and effectively engage hostile submarines and surface warships.

"The tests of the cruise missile for the submarine are under way," the source said. 8)


The source also said the Russian Navy has several 'special purpose' submarines designed for testing of new technologies and weaponry. Some open sources earlier reported the existence of Project 20120 B-90 Sarov diesel-electric submarine, which has a nuclear reactor as a supplementary power generator.


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Postby narmad » 20 Mar 2009 23:23

2 US Navy vessels collide in Strait of Hormuz

MANAMA, Bahrain – Two U.S. Navy vessels — a nuclear-powered submarine and an amphibious ship — collided before dawn Friday in the mouth of the Persian Gulf, one of the world's most important sea passages for oil supplies.

There was no damage to the sub's nuclear propulsion system and no disruption to shipping in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, through which a fifth of the world's oil passes, said Navy spokesman Lt. Nate Christensen, with the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet.
The incident occurred around 1:00 a.m. local time Friday (5 p.m. EDT, Thursday), when the USS Hartford, a submarine, and the USS New Orleans, an amphibious ship, collided into each other in the narrow Strait of Hormuz, the 5th Fleet said in a statement.
The New Orleans suffered a ruptured fuel tank, resulting in an oil spill of approximately 25,000 gallons (95,000 liters) of diesel fuel, Christensen said.
According to the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, 15 sailors aboard the Hartford were slightly injured but able to return to duty. No injuries were reported aboard the New Orleans and both ships are currently operating under their own power.

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Re: International naval news.

Postby Singha » 20 Mar 2009 23:56

so much for the hyper secret flank array, towed sonar and the uber spherical sonar in the bow.

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Re: International naval news.

Postby Gerard » 21 Mar 2009 01:57

And same result - early retirement

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Postby NRao » 21 Mar 2009 04:08

Singha wrote:so much for the hyper secret flank array, towed sonar and the uber spherical sonar in the bow.



You forgot "Human error"?

ABC News is reporting that the sub was not visible per design. The fault, therefore, seems to be with the sub itself - which should have known the presence of the other ship.

The sub was run over!

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Re: International naval news.

Postby Philip » 24 Mar 2009 18:16

More on China's recent naval agression.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... ge-at-sea/

LYONS: A new challenge at sea

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Philip wrote:More on China's recent naval agression.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/200 ... ge-at-sea/

LYONS: A new challenge at sea


The Jihadi State of China.

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Postby Philip » 25 Mar 2009 12:56

Russia's new nuclear sub philosophy,smaller subs with missiles with tactical nukes instead of city busters.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2009/03/23/ ... 237832120/

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Postby Austin » 28 Mar 2009 20:51

Russia to build 6 Yasen SSGN between 2011 and 2017

The Sevmash shipyard is building several models of the leading underwater cruiser Severodvinsk. It is planned to build at least six nuclear-powered submarines,” the source said.

“Under the current plans the Severodvinsk will be put into service for the Navy in 2011, other serial submarines should be built by 2017,” the source said.


The nuclear submarine Severodvinsk will be equipped with long-range cruise missiles that can potentially carry low-capacity tactical warheads.


“These supersonic highly manoeuvring missiles are designed for strikes on aircraft carriers of the enemy if the latter poses a direct threat to Russia’s security. The missiles can be launched at the most important coastal facilities,” the source said.


“Despite the construction of a new nuclear submarine with new missiles Russia intends to observe firmly international arms control agreements on equal terms with other countries,” the source said.

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Postby Philip » 30 Mar 2009 14:16

More details of the damage to a US warship that collided with its own SSN.The enormity of the damage "16X18 ft hole" in the amphib. ship New Orleans,indicates the severity of the collision and the ability to absorb huge damage by the heavily armoured SSN,which had it been a conventional single-hulled western built sub,would almost surely have been sunk.many years ago durign the Cold War a Russian Victor class SSN suffered enormous danage to its bow in a collision I think in the Meditt.A picture showed that the entire bow area was virtually missing with the sonar truned into sculpture and exposed details of the double hull construction.The sub limped home.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/ ... ans195943/
Gaping hole detailed in collision of S.D.-based ship and submarine
By Steve Liewer (Contact) Union-Tribune Staff Writer
7:59 p.m. March 27, 2009

SAN DIEGO – A jarring collision with a nuclear submarine in the Strait of Hormuz on March 20 tore a gaping hole in the hull of the San Diego-based amphibious landing dock New Orleans, the Navy said Friday.

The impact created a 16-by-18-foot hole in the New Orleans, which was commissioned in 2007 and was on its first deployment to the Persian Gulf, said Lt. Sean Robertson, a Navy spokesman.

A fuel tank ruptured, and two ballast tanks sustained interior damage. The ship leaked about 25,000 gallons of diesel marine fuel into the water, but Navy aircraft could detect no slick on the surface the next day.

The Hartford, based in New London, Conn., sustained damage to its sail, periscope and port blow plane, Robertson said. Investigators believe it rolled 85 degrees – almost on its side – when the New Orleans struck it.

Fifteen sailors aboard the sub suffered minor injuries, and they have returned to duty.

Navy divers made a preliminary damage assessment this week after the two ships reached Manama, Bahrain, under their own power. Robertson said the full extent of the damage isn't known yet. He didn't specify the cost or length of time for repairs.

The Navy is conducting two investigations: a safety investigation to see how it could prevent similar accidents in the future and a legal inquest to affix responsibility.

The collision occurred about 1 a.m. as the ships operated independently in the eastern end of the V-shaped Strait of Hormuz. About 20 percent of the world's globally traded oil passes through the waterway, which links the Persian Gulf to the Arabian Sea.

Several Navy veterans said the ships' damage suggests the New Orleans ran over the Hartford from the left side as the submarine was surfacing.

“It's obviously indicative of a very hard hit on the Hartford,” said retired Navy Capt. Jan van Tol, a military analyst with the nonpartisan Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments in Washington, D.C. “It appears to be a test of the quality of construction that they made it back to port.”

Though the hole in the New Orleans' hull is large, it's not nearly big enough to sink the ship, said van Tol, who once skippered the amphibious assault ship Essex.

“It would take a lot of flooding to affect its survivability,” he said.

Van Tol said no amphibious ships carry sonar, so it would have been impossible for the New Orleans to detect the Hartford beneath it.

For that reason, it's a rule of seafaring that submarines are responsible for avoiding ships on the surface, said retired Navy Capt. Sam L. Ward III of Coronado, a former sub commander.

Ward said submarines typically operate at least 130 feet below the surface to stay clear of vessels.

Surfacing is a complex and risky operation, especially in the narrow, shallow and heavily traveled Strait of Hormuz. Ward said submarines typically make a circular sweep at a safe depth, listening carefully for ships nearby before rising above the waves.

“It's a cacophony of noise,” Ward said. “You just have to be very cautious.”

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Re: International naval news.

Postby Sanjay M » 01 Apr 2009 05:47

Has anybody heard of PACSCAT? No, I don't mean what comes out of the mouths of spokesmen for Islamabad. I'm talking talking about Partial Air Cushion Supported Catamaran technology:

http://www.marinetech.co.uk/projects/PACSCAT.htm

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/john.lewthwaite1/website_000001.html

http://www.theengineer.co.uk/Articles/297841/PACSCAT+contract+for+Qinetiq.htm

http://www.competence-site.de/1779/seeverkehr.nsf/32BA5840C8837448C1256FF000464B74/$File/bimco_kramer.pdf

Despite the unappetizing name, it seems like it could be very useful transport technology. How high can it go in terms of payload capacity? Could you build an ocean-liner or giant freighter that could make use of this approach for travel on the open seas?

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Postby Philip » 01 Apr 2009 12:25

Tx Sanjay for the intersting design.It looks quite neat and suely has good applications esoecially for the amphib. role,where the long wide flat deck space available will be ideal for transporting armoure dvehicles and heacy equipment.The Austal designs from Oz (Tasmania) are well entrenched though in the fast cat market,both in the civilian market for ferries as well as in the naval arena.The US has acquired the technology/vessels for trials as fast logistic ships.They are proving very successful and the IN should take along hard look at them particularly for the amphibious vessels requirement.The basic concept could also be used for fast ASW corvettes that could outrun most torpedoes and operate ASW helos from a high deck.

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Postby Philip » 02 Apr 2009 15:49

USNI on China's new naval 2000km range ASBM (anti-carrier ballistic missile).If the missile is good for use against US carriers,then it could easily be used against Indian carriers too.The systematic development of US Aegis warships to have ABM capabiility with STD-3 SAMs,now being deployed off the Korean coast in anticipation of a NoKo satellite/missile launch,indicates how seriously the US is taking the threat.The IN is particularly vulnerable to such an ASBM threat as it does not possess a long range naval SAM on any oif its warships.IN warships are all below 10,000t,which is the minimum tonnage required for an air defence destroyer/cruiser that can carry a substantial amount of LR SAMs,with ABM capability too.A few years ago,we were speculating whether Dhanush possessed some anti-ship capability too.In view of the future threat of large Chinese carriers operating in the next decade,it would be worthwhile to modify a suitable ballistic missile from our inventory for the long range ASBM role.

https://www.usni.org/forthemedia/ChineseKillWeapon.asp
Excerpt.

Report: Chinese Develop Special "Kill Weapon" to Destroy U.S. Aircraft Carriers

Advanced missile poses substantial new threat for U.S. Navy
U. S. Naval Institute
March 31, 2009

With tensions already rising due to the Chinese navy becoming more aggressive in asserting its territorial claims in the South China Sea, the U.S. Navy seems to have yet another reason to be deeply concerned.

After years of conjecture, details have begun to emerge of a "kill weapon" developed by the Chinese to target and destroy U.S. aircraft carriers.

First posted on a Chinese blog viewed as credible by military analysts and then translated by the naval affairs blog Information Dissemination, a recent report provides a description of an anti-ship ballistic missile (ASBM) that can strike carriers and other U.S. vessels at a range of 2000km.

The range of the modified Dong Feng 21 missile is significant in that it covers the areas that are likely hot zones for future confrontations between U.S. and Chinese surface forces.

The size of the missile enables it to carry a warhead big enough to inflict significant damage on a large vessel, providing the Chinese the capability of destroying a U.S. supercarrier in one strike.

Because the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.

Supporting the missile is a network of satellites, radar and unmanned aerial vehicles that can locate U.S. ships and then guide the weapon, enabling it to hit moving targets.

The ASBM is said to be a modified DF-21
While the ASBM has been a topic of discussion within national defense circles for quite some time, the fact that information is now coming from Chinese sources indicates that the weapon system is operational. The Chinese rarely mention weapons projects unless they are well beyond the test stages.

If operational as is believed, the system marks the first time a ballistic missile has been successfully developed to attack vessels at sea. Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.

Along with the Chinese naval build-up, U.S. Navy officials appear to view the development of the anti-ship ballistic missile as a tangible threat.

After spending the last decade placing an emphasis on building a fleet that could operate in shallow waters near coastlines, the U.S. Navy seems to have quickly changed its strategy over the past several months to focus on improving the capabilities of its deep sea fleet and developing anti-ballistic defenses.

As analyst Raymond Pritchett notes in a post on the U.S. Naval Institute blog:

"The Navy's reaction is telling, because it essentially equals a radical change in direction based on information that has created a panic inside the bubble. For a major military service to panic due to a new weapon system, clearly a mission kill weapon system, either suggests the threat is legitimate or the leadership of the Navy is legitimately unqualified. There really aren't many gray spaces in evaluating the reaction by the Navy…the data tends to support the legitimacy of the threat."

In recent years, China has been expanding its navy to presumably better exert itself in disputed maritime regions. A recent show of strength in early March led to a confrontation with an unarmed U.S. ship in international waters.


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Postby Philip » 03 Apr 2009 13:22

RN's nuclear sub accidents.
240 fires on nuclear submarines

Date: 03 April 2009
By BRIAN FERGUSON
BRITAIN'S nuclear submarines have been involved in 14 collisions in the past 21 years, it emerged last night.
The Royal Navy has also admitted there have been 237 fires on its nuclear-powered submarine fleet since 1987.

Full details below.
http://news.scotsman.com/uk/240-fires-o ... 5138309.jp

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Re: International naval news.

Postby PaulJI » 03 Apr 2009 19:34

vina wrote:In the vastness of the ocean and that too, increasing the "space" since submarines go underwater unlike surface ships, colliding randomly is close to statistically impossible...

It won't have been random. They won't use the whole ocean, but carefully chosen routes, between waypoints where they can check their location. It's possible that both the MN & RN have worked out similar optimum patrol routes, & use some of the same waypoints.

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Postby Philip » 04 Apr 2009 15:52

Russia's historic Frunze naval college founded by Peter the Great ablaze.

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20090404/120916644.html

Top Russian naval college ablaze in St. Petersburg
11:27 | 04/ 04/ 2009

ST. PETERSBURG, April 4 (RIA Novosti) - The Frunze Higher Naval College in St. Petersburg, one of Russia's top military academies, is on fire, a regional emergencies ministry official said on Saturday.

"Preliminary reports say the roof of the building is on fire, with heavy smoke observed," the official said, adding that the alarm was sounded at around 10:20 a.m. Moscow time.

The college was founded by Peter the Great in 1701 and is one of the oldest naval officer schools in the world. It is still centered in the original building.

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Postby asprinzl » 05 Apr 2009 04:30

Why this hyper hype about a balistic missile? A flat top is a highly capable moving platform. A balistic missile implies that once it is fired it goes into its natural trajectory until it reaches its natural distance and crashes. If it can be controlled along its path it would be called tactical or cruise missile. Unless it can be controlled (in which case it is not a balistic missile) by the time it reaches its designated target area the flat top or any other ship would have sailed off to another location. Does not matter if it is 2 million mile range. It is still a balistic missile and not a cruise or tactial missile. Why do people get hyper about this? It is merely more Chinese money down the drain.
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Postby Philip » 06 Apr 2009 18:15

Drug semi-subs.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... gD97CE9O82

EXceerpt:
US law fights submarine-like boats hauling cocaine
By FRANK BAJAK – 19 hours ago

BOGOTA (AP) — It's a game played out regularly on the high seas off Colombia's Pacific coast: A U.S. Navy helicopter spots a vessel the size of a humpback whale gliding just beneath the water's surface.

A Coast Guard ship dispatches an armed team to board the small, submarine-like craft in search of cocaine. Crew members wave and jump into the sea to be rescued, but not before they open flood valves and send the fiberglass hulk and its cargo into the deep.

PS:Check the link for more details and pics of the semi-submersibles,of which the LTTE was building similar ones.

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Postby Philip » 08 Apr 2009 15:01

Taiwan plans to build its own subs reviving the project "Diving Dragon",shelved 5 yrs. ago.8 subs are planned of 2000-3000t,and Taiwan is confident that it can build the ships while acquiring the weapons/sensors from abroad.It hopes that the US will assist it though there are doubts within the Taiwanese defence establishment (air force),whether it can do so alone.

http://www.chinapost.com.tw/taiwan/nati ... an-may.htm

China's Naval Gambit
A challenge to America's dominance of the seas.
by Michael Mazza

Excerpt:"The future of America's long-running dominance of the seas is under threat. The Department of Defense reported recently that the Chinese navy is continuing to modernize at a rapid clip. It is adding guided missile destroyers and nuclear and diesel-electric attack submarines to its fleet, and is developing over-the-horizon radars and next-generation anti-ship cruise missiles, and possibly even the first ever anti-ship ballistic missile. Not only have Chinese ships recently harassed unarmed U.S. naval vessels in the South China Sea, but according to reports emanating from Japan, China will likely complete construction on two conventional aircraft carriers by 2015, and will begin construction on two more nuclear carriers in 2020. "

"While China's strategic plans are not made public, the nature of its military build-up suggests that China is intent on reasserting itself as the dominant power in Asia. Only the United States stands in its way."


Full article in link.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/P ... 9fxdyi.asp

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Postby Philip » 16 Apr 2009 16:37

Chinese Navy to expand and grow even faster accoprding to Adm Wu.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/art ... wD97JC1IG0

China's navy to build new ships, planes

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Boeing say that this will provide an "ultra-precise, speed-of-light capability and unlimited magazine depth to defend ships against new, challenging threats, such as hyper-velocity cruise missiles", and that "FELs are capable of achieving the megawatt power the Navy requires for ship defense".


Wonder which one.

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Postby KrishG » 19 Apr 2009 15:28

An interesting article. Better if India can follow this path.

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The worry is that, despite its unquestioned preeminence on the high seas, the American Navy may not be equipped to protect us from some of the smaller scale but still lethal maritime threats we face. Piracy is one of them, but it's hardly the most dangerous: seaborne terrorism, nuclear proliferation, drug smuggling, and human trafficking are others. Almost all of them have taken on a new urgency as the seas grow more crowded, and at a time when military planners have to worry as much about stateless threats as more traditional opponents. And in a climate in which the Pentagon budget the Obama administration proposed two weeks ago seeks to shift billions of dollars from the development of big-ticket weapons systems to the unmanned drones, special-forces teams, and other measures vital to counterinsurgency efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, the pressure on the Navy to change is only likely to grow


The (smaller, faster, cheaper) future of sea power
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Postby Jamal K. Malik » 19 Apr 2009 18:05

U.S says watching China's Navy expansion
http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20090419/760/twl-u-s-says-watching-china-s-naval-expa.html
Can they do some thing else :rotfl:

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Postby Gerard » 19 Apr 2009 20:01

Aegis For Australia
The Royal Australian Navy has adopted the Aegis system for its new Air Warfare Destroyers.

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Postby Vipul » 19 Apr 2009 22:27

Jamal K. Malik wrote:U.S says watching China's Navy expansion
http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20090419/760/twl-u-s-says-watching-china-s-naval-expa.html
Can they do some thing else :rotfl:


Jamal just read a couple of posts before yours and see what the US navy will be doing in the future.
Howsoever ambitious the Chinese Navy may become(they can only do so much with intellectual copyright thefts) it will most certainly be shown its place (in the sea-bed of course) by the US Navy.

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Postby Jamal K. Malik » 19 Apr 2009 23:13

Vipul sir
Whatever these chinky is doing is steal/IPR theft We know it sir
Ya i m agree then what these amrikee is doing Are they claiming any thing
IN international mkt/forums U cant prove it

The chinky is 64 submarines force :D
They r at ours feet I mean in IOR

No,sir
Please understand the fact.
Urs
Parmendra/Jamal
Vipul wrote:
Jamal K. Malik wrote:U.S says watching China's Navy expansion
http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/20090419/760/twl-u-s-says-watching-china-s-naval-expa.html
Can they do some thing else :rotfl:


Jamal just read a couple of posts before yours and see what the US navy will be doing in the future.
Howsoever ambitious the Chinese Navy may become(they can only do so much with intellectual copyright thefts) it will most certainly be shown its place (in the sea-bed of course) by the US Navy.

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Re: International naval news.

Postby Jamal K. Malik » 19 Apr 2009 23:25

These amrikee is spots on earth.!
First help to raise then help to downfall as they are doing for Taiwan


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Re: International naval news.

Postby Gerard » 19 Apr 2009 23:25

Jamal K. Malik wrote:The chinky is 64 submarines force :D
They r at ours feet I mean in IOR


They need to leave Chinese territorial waters first

Chinese Submarine Patrols Doubled in 2008
The information, which was declassified by U.S. naval intelligence in response to a Freedom of Information Act request from the Federation of American Scientists, shows that China’s fleet of more than 50 attack submarines conducted 12 patrols in 2008, twice the number of patrols conducted in 2007.

China’s strategic ballistic missile submarines have never conducted a deterrent patrol.

With approximately 54 submarines, the patrol rate means that each submarine on average goes on patrol once every four and a half years.


Please desist from racial terms like chinky. We make exceptions only for Pakis (who are subhuman)

Parmendra/Jamal


BTW
Do you wish your username changed from Jamal K Malik?
I've been using the cast/crew names from Slumdog to replace usernames that violate forum guidelines.


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