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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby brar_w » 09 Jun 2017 08:10

Chinmay wrote:
13.5 billion for seven THAAD batteries? What sort of sustainment is offered? That sounds fantastically expensive.



THAAD battery is going to be significantly more expensive than say a Patriot simply given the dedicated BMD radar and the fact that Saudi Arabia has been known to be shopping for a customized Command and Control suite designed to control its unique THAAD and AMD configuration after failing to get other Arab countries to agree on a common architecture. They were rumored to be looking at a C2 suite from Lockheed which would essentially mean a completely new system since the US systems are being designed by Northrop Grumman and aren't yet export cleared (nor fully developed).

The Saudi's have been negotiating for THAAD for a number of years, but very little has been revealed on their configuration. There were some hints dropped at a recent Military Radar Summit session that it was their interest to seek an upgraded system that drove the US MDA to go ahead and pursue changing the AN/TPY-2 baseline to essentially include all GaN radars from 2017 onwards something that the MDA planned to only do starting 2021 just a few years ago. The current baseline AN/TPY-2 that goes into production in 2017 and beyond (2018 and beyond deliveries) is a 25,000+ GaN X-Band Module ballistic Missile Defense Radar with likely significant performance and discrimination improvements over the baseline radar. This is likely to also add a fairly good amount of cost over the baseline TPY-2's that use Raytheon's 3rd Generation GaAs modules. Baseline TPY-2s run around $200 Million. So its pretty safe to assume that a significantly upgraded radar with completely different TRIMMs and FMS and export (support, training, and logistics etc) cost will run at least twice the US flyaway cost of the baseline set.

What we have also not heard is the overall system configuration and how many radars they want to buy. Unless they want to operate the THAAD as a purely organic BMD system, they are likely to seek either interoperable Early Warning systems, or buy additional AN/TPY-2s so that they can be used in forward-based mode for EW. Qatar for example ordered the massive UEWR as its EW radar system to track all Ballistic Missile targets and provide Early Warning. So that could help explain the overall deal.

Then comes the interceptor..the cost of the deal will largely vary by the number of interceptors they order as part of the main deal. This could range anywhere from 500 interceptors (A full up THAAD battery carries 48 interceptors without requiring reloads) to closer to a 1000. Saudi Arabia is known to order its interceptors in bulk and spread deliveries over a long duration. So factoring in all these unknowns and their known habits of seeking customized solutions, and extensive prolonged support and training $13 Billion for 7 batteries that should be sufficient to cover their population centers and provide dedicated upper tier SRBM-IRBM defense with likely significant growth prospects (radar, C2 and Interceptors) is actually a fairly good deal.

But this case hasn't advanced far enough for an FMS notification yet so we will have to wait and see. This was just an announcement of intention. FMS announcement will follow, and then they will embark on additional negotiations. This isn't a very fast process, particularly not so when bespoke variants are being crafted.

7 THAAD batteries, if they do end up buying that many will make them just about the largest THAAD operator in the world, nearly at par with the US in terms of deployed full up batteries is concerned.

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Chinmay » 09 Jun 2017 09:21

brar_w wrote:
Chinmay wrote:
13.5 billion for seven THAAD batteries? What sort of sustainment is offered? That sounds fantastically expensive.



THAAD battery is going to be significantly more expensive than say a Patriot simply given the dedicated BMD radar and the fact that Saudi Arabia has been known to be shopping for a customized Command and Control suite designed to control its unique THAAD and AMD configuration after failing to get other Arab countries to agree on a common architecture. They were rumored to be looking at a C2 suite from Lockheed which would essentially mean a completely new system since the US systems are being designed by Northrop Grumman and aren't yet export cleared (nor fully developed).

The Saudi's have been negotiating for THAAD for a number of years, but very little has been revealed on their configuration. There were some hints dropped at a recent Military Radar Summit session that it was their interest to seek an upgraded system that drove the US MDA to go ahead and pursue changing the AN/TPY-2 baseline to essentially include all GaN radars from 2017 onwards something that the MDA planned to only do starting 2021 just a few years ago. The current baseline AN/TPY-2 that goes into production in 2017 and beyond (2018 and beyond deliveries) is a 25,000+ GaN X-Band Module ballistic Missile Defense Radar with likely significant performance and discrimination improvements over the baseline radar. This is likely to also add a fairly good amount of cost over the baseline TPY-2's that use Raytheon's 3rd Generation GaAs modules. Baseline TPY-2s run around $200 Million. So its pretty safe to assume that a significantly upgraded radar with completely different TRIMMs and FMS and export (support, training, and logistics etc) cost will run at least twice the US flyaway cost of the baseline set.

What we have also not heard is the overall system configuration and how many radars they want to buy. Unless they want to operate the THAAD as a purely organic BMD system, they are likely to seek either interoperable Early Warning systems, or buy additional AN/TPY-2s so that they can be used in forward-based mode for EW. Qatar for example ordered the massive UEWR as its EW radar system to track all Ballistic Missile targets and provide Early Warning. So that could help explain the overall deal.

Then comes the interceptor..the cost of the deal will largely vary by the number of interceptors they order as part of the main deal. This could range anywhere from 500 interceptors (A full up THAAD battery carries 48 interceptors without requiring reloads) to closer to a 1000. Saudi Arabia is known to order its interceptors in bulk and spread deliveries over a long duration. So factoring in all these unknowns and their known habits of seeking customized solutions, and extensive prolonged support and training $13 Billion for 7 batteries that should be sufficient to cover their population centers and provide dedicated upper tier SRBM-IRBM defense with likely significant growth prospects (radar, C2 and Interceptors) is actually a fairly good deal.

But this case hasn't advanced far enough for an FMS notification yet so we will have to wait and see. This was just an announcement of intention. FMS announcement will follow, and then they will embark on additional negotiations. This isn't a very fast process, particularly not so when bespoke variants are being crafted.


Thanks for the info brar_w. What I also found curious was the $4 billion for 'JSTARS-like' aircraft as well as the 'light attack aircraft'. The Saudi's could buy a great light CAS aircraft (Super Tucano) today, but they are riding on the US's coat tails just to maintain commonality with the Americans.

Also, presumably the JSTARS like aircraft would be a bespoke variant? They could order something like the RAF's ASTOR, assuming that the tech is cleared for export. But it seems they are holding on to a US decision in order to lower costs from a bigger US production run.

And this is to say nothing of the 18 billion black box of C4I equipment....

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby brar_w » 09 Jun 2017 09:23

It could be ASTOR, or it could be the current US JSTARS replacement where RFP's were recently submitted and that intends to field operational capability by 2025. For all we know it could be an AWACS replacement that delivers them an E-7+ with an upgraded sensor.

Some of these deals are short term, but many are medium to long term. The FMS process is quite long, and Congressional passage isn't going to be quick either. Some may even end up never materializing given the long negotiation timelines etc.

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Philip » 12 Jun 2017 13:31

Kashoggi: Perhaps the most notorious arms dealer in modern times.The man with many freiends including one R.BHandari,former For. Sec.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/long_ ... 78031.html
Adnan Khashoggi: the 'whoremonger' whose arms deals funded a playboy life of decadence and 'pleasure wives'
Despite a fortune amassed through involvement in the some of the biggest arms deals of the 20th Century, Adnan Khashoggi died peacefully at the age of nearly 82

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Arms deals brought Adnan Khasgoggi a personal fortune estimated at £2.4 billion, a superyacht later sold to Donald Trump, and a personal bodyguard nicknamed Mr Kill Getty
It was the end that the most extravagantly wealthy arms dealer of the modern era would have wished for.

Adnan Khashoggi died peacefully, surrounded by his loving family, just days short of his 82nd birthday.

His family spoke of him being able to live out his final days “with the same elegance and dignity that characterised his remarkable life”. It hailed him as a “pioneer who achieved global recognition through his extraordinary business achievements and renowned generosity.”

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Because this was no time to go into the details of those “extraordinary business achievements” or to list the weapons sales that helped fund the “elegance and dignity” in which the arms dealer lived out his life.

Instead, the family declared, “Our father understood the art of bringing people together better than anyone.”

How crass it would be to mention that the weapons he helped sell perfected the art of blowing people apart.

And Adnan Khashoggi helped sell enough of these weapons to become one of the world’s wealthiest men: a fortune once estimated at £2.4 billion, friendships with Saudi and Hollywood royalties, homes all over the world, a superyacht later sold to Donald Trump, a personal bodyguard nicknamed Mr Kill.

He started young, helped by the contacts that come from having a father who was the court doctor to King Ibn Saud of Saudi Arabia.

Aged 21, about a year after enrolling at Chico State College, California, he earned a commission of $150,000 dollars for assisting in a deal to sell $3 million of trucks to Egypt.

He never returned to finish his college degree.

Instead, as the Saudi royal family began to plough its oil wealth into weaponry in the 1960s and 1970s, Khashoggi became the perfect “Mr Fixit”, linking his old friends in Saudi Arabia with his new friends, the American and British arms manufacturers.

One Lockheed Martin director described him as a one-man marketing department. Others whose deals he helped facilitate included the British firms Marconi and Westland Helicopters.

As his reputation spread, Khashoggi’s commission rates increased to as much as 15 per cent, on deals worth hundreds of millions of dollars.

And as his fortune grew and grew, the settings in which Khashoggi fixed the deals became ever more congenial.

“He went through yachts the way you or I go through cars,” said his biographer Ronald Kessler.

By 1980, he could afford Nabila, named after his daughter, 281ft (86.6 metres) long, the largest private yacht in the world at the time, on which it is said Khashoggi “lavished money with utter abandon”: sundeck with bullet-proof glass, solid gold sink in the master suite.

They didn’t just use any old onyx in the bathrooms of the chamois leather-lined cabins. It was hand carved onyx, sculpted by “the finest craftsman from the hills of Italy,” as described by the next owner, Donald Trump, who in 1987 bought her for nearly $30m.

Never one to miss an opportunity to flaunt his wealth, Khashoggi let his yacht be used for the 1983 Bond film Never Say Never Again. It appeared as the floating HQ of international supervillain, SPECTRE agent Maximillian Largo.

That, of course, was fiction.

The reality, though, was almost as exotic.

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“His whole modus operandi was to influence clients with his opulent lifestyle,” the biographer Mr Kessler told New York magazine in 1988.

And Khashoggi did not confine his attempts at influence to just businessmen. At one point, it is said, he simultaneously entertained five heads of state including three kings on board his yacht.

His ability to charm was legendary. Khashoggi became friends with Richard Nixon in the 1960s, helping fund both his US Presidential election campaigns, at one point reportedly presenting Tricky Dicky’s daughter with a $60,000 dollar bracelet.

It has been alleged that one of his first weapons deals was providing weapons to David Stirling, founder of the SAS, for a covert operation in Yemen in 1963.

Forty years later, in March 2003, the New Yorker claimed that Khashoggi had met with Richard Perle, the chairman of the US Defence Policy Board shortly before the invasion of Iraq. Like many of the fine details of Khashoggi’s encounters with the powerful, however, exactly what may have passed between the two men remains unclear.

On board the yacht Nabila, visitors included at least one US ambassador. But the most frequent guests were as New York magazine put it, “Arab princes, Third World officials, and shadowy European and American businessmen.

“Ensconced in its suites, they used the 150 telephones and the satellite communication system to arrange arms sales and commodities trades.”

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Donald Trump later renamed the yacht (AFP/Getty)
On occasion Khashoggi would go from cabin to cabin, keeping as many as 16 different deals going at the same time.

And whatever was needed to smooth the deal, the client would get.

“He would give them anything they wanted: girls, food, cash,” said Mr Kessler. “He had quite a variety of occasions on the boat. Some were very formal, some were orgies”.

One of the “girls” used in this way, Pamella Bordes, later spoke of being “part of an enormous group … used as sexual bait.”

In 1989 Vanity Fair magazine bluntly described Khashoggi as “one of the greatest whoremongers in the world.” Very few of his business associates ever complained.

And when the time came to sign the contract, the yacht could slip into international waters, where sovereign restrictions on their business deals did not apply.

At least some of Khashoggi’s commissions, meanwhile, are alleged to have been directed towards front companies in Switzerland and Liechtenstein.

Despite such discretion, his name had a habit of appearing in connection with some of the world’s most controversial arms deals.

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Khashoggi's private jets were said to contain two wardrobes: one with Savile Row suits, the other containing traditional Saudi dress (Getty)
In the Iran-Contra scandal of the 1980s, Khashoggi was named as one of the key middlemen between Oliver North in the White House and Iran.

As such, he was claimed to have been caught up in the Reagan administration’s secret plot to secure the release of hostages by selling arms to Iran, with the money paid to the US being diverted to right-wing Contra rebels in Nicaragua whose alleged human rights abuses included rape and torture.

Also in the 1980s it seems Khashoggi was, at least initially, on the side of France in the battle with Margaret Thatcher’s Britain to secure the massive, ironically named al-Yamamah (meaning ‘Dove’) arms deal with Saudi Arabia.

In 1994 there were allegations that Britain got the multi-billion deal thanks to bribes to members of the Saudi government and royal family.

At the same time, Khashoggi claimed that the success of his rival Wafic Said in securing the deal for Britain had been aided by the involvement of Mark Thatcher, the former Prime Minister’s son.

The Sunday Times quoted Khashoggi as saying: “Wafic was using Mark's intelligence. His value to Wafic was his name.”

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Mark Thatcher seen here with his mother and his wife Sarah in 2012 has always denied making money from the al-Yamamah deal (Rex Features)
Where the truth lies, though, remains uncertain. Mark Thatcher has always strenuously denied making money from the deal signed by his mother in 1985.

In 2006 a Serious Fraud Office inquiry into alleged bribes to Saudis was dropped, with the Blair government saying it was not in the national interest, and BAE Systems raising fears it was about to lose out on the third phase of the al-Yamamah deal.

As for Khashoggi, he was never convicted of any crime, in any of his dealings – although he had a few anxious moments.

In 1989, while in Switzerland, he was arrested at the Schweizerhof, Bern’s most luxurious hotel.

Khashoggi was wanted by the US government in connection with allegations that he had conspired with Ferdinand Marcos, former dictator of the Philippines, and his shoe-loving wife Imelda, to hide wealth that the couple had stolen from their country.

His three months awaiting extradition in a Swiss jail on charges of racketeering, conspiracy, obstruction of justice and mail fraud were not, however, overly arduous.

It was reported that someone ensured the arms dealer had gourmet food from the Schweizerhof brought to his cell.

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Khashoggi was accused, but then cleared over his dealings with dictator's widow Imelda Marcos (AP)
Even better, when Khashoggi got to America, the authorities dropped all but the less serious charges of obstruction of justice and mail fraud. And then in 1990 a federal jury in Manhattan cleared both him and the by-now-widowed Imelda.

Towards the end, looking back on his life, Khashoggi had insisted: “What did I do wrong? Nothing. I behaved unethically, for ethical reasons.”

Perhaps this is what his family meant when in their statement they praised “his over-riding loyalty to his country, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. His work always furthered the interests of his country.”

Khashoggi himself chose to characterise his work to at least one bemused interviewer as “marketing”.

If it was marketing, it was the kind of marketing that was conducted in palaces, luxury properties and a superyacht that never went anywhere the zones of war and ‘collateral damage’ that were the ultimate destination for some of the weapons being sold.

And it was the kind of marketing that brought with it enough money to ensure that for Khashoggi “there were no laws, no skies, no limits” - to quote his friend Prince Alfonso Hohenlohe-Langenburg of Spain.

Thus Khashoggi ensured that on his yacht, the owner’s suite – separate from his wife’s accommodation – had not just a 10ft-wide bed, but a secret passageway.

It allowed for discreet exits to be made by the women he called his “pleasure wives”. One woman, brought into the orbit of the 5ft 4in, 14-stone billionaire as a naïve young model in the 1980s, described falling in love with him, becoming a member of his ‘harem’.

“I want you to be one of my pleasure wives,” he told her. “By Saudi Arabian law, I'm allowed to have 11 pleasure wives and three legal wives.”

The legal wives began in 1961 with Sandra Daly, half his age, double his height, who grew up on a Leicester council estate and who met him while visiting Paris with her mother.

After they divorced in 1974, Mrs Khashoggi, now converted to Islam and renamed Soraya, eventually received a divorce settlement of $875 million, which at the time was the largest ever.

His second wife, an Italian named Laura Biancolini, whom he married in 1980, was only 17 when she met him. In 1991, he also wed Iranian-born Shahpari Azam Zanganeh, although this marriage was later dissolved.

Romantically, Khashoggi did not always have everything his own way.

In 1999 it was revealed that he was not the biological father of Soraya’s daughter Petrina. The real father was Jonathan Aitken, ex-Conservative minister for Defence Procurement, at the time awaiting court proceedings that would lead to him being jailed for perjury.

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Petrina Khashoggi (Getty Images)
It also has to be said that in business as well as pleasure, not everything worked out as Khashoggi planned.

By the mid-Eighties, he had homes in London, Paris, Cannes, Monte Carlo; a 10,000-acre ranch in Kenya; a sprawling two-floor Manhattan residence created by buying 16 separate apartments and knocking them all together.

He owned a stable of Arabian horses, 100 limousines, three private jets, and could call upon the services of a South Korean bodyguard trained in martial arts and rejoicing in the nickname Mr Kill.

It was said Khashoggi spent $250,000 a day to keep himself in the luxury to which he had become accustomed.

To celebrate his 50th birthday, in July 1985, he treated 400 guests to a five-day extravaganza at his 5,000-acre seaside estate in Marbella, Spain. Khashoggi’s brother reportedly gave him a lion cub. Shirley Bassey sang ‘Happy Birthday’, and he danced with the Hollywood star Brooke Shields.

A fleet of refrigerator trucks were brought in just to cool the champagne.

The birthday cake, was said to have been a “work of art”, topped by a 3ft long sugar recreation of the coronation crown of Louis XIV, the French ‘Sun King’.

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Khashoggi and his wife on the red carpet at the Cannes Film Festival in 2008 (EPA/GUILLAUME HORCAJUELO)
Khashoggi was, in the telling comparison of one commentator “the Gatsby of his time”.

The downfall was never as complete or as theatrical as Gatsby’s, but soon after that 50th birthday party, Khashoggi started to be hit by the fall in oil prices that prompted the Saudis to cut back on arms buying.

Creditors – the Sultan of Brunei among them - started to circle.

In 1987, Triad America Corporation, his American company which was involved in a $400 million development in Salt Lake City, filed for bankruptcy after it was unable to pay its debts.

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​Khashoggi’s gambling, it was said, was making things worse. There were unproven rumours of him taking money from his businesses to pay for his losses at the gaming tables, and failing to pay bills, or his servants.

In 1998 he suffered the embarrassment of having the High Court hear claims that his cheques, written to the value of £3.2 million, had bounced when he tried to settle losses incurred at the roulette wheel of the Ritz Casino in London.

He eventually agreed an out-of-court settlement with the casino, but not before the court had heard how he had made repeated promises to pay back the money, while claiming that he was having financial difficulties.

The private jets eventually went, Khashoggi having to slum it on commercial airlines. Mr Kill the bodyguard was also told his services were no longer affordable.

It seems the creditors chased him for the rest of his life.

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby brar_w » 13 Jun 2017 15:16

First pictures of the L-Band Gallium Nitride upgraded TPS-77 MRR Surveillance radar for Latvia ( Lockheed )

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Surya » 17 Jun 2017 06:28

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/u-s ... an-n773521

khan warship collides with a container vessel

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Austin » 17 Jun 2017 19:43

Iran tested nuclear-capable cruise missile: German newspaper

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran- ... SKBN15H0WR

Iran has tested a cruise missile called "Sumar" that is capable of carrying nuclear weapons in addition to test-firing a medium-range ballistic missile on Sunday, German newspaper Die Welt reported Thursday, citing unspecified intelligence sources.

No comment was immediately available from Germany's BND foreign intelligence agency or from Iranian authorities.

The newspaper said the Sumar cruise missile was built in Iran and traveled around 600 km in its first known successful test. The missile is believed to be capable of carrying nuclear weapons and may have a range of 2,000 to 3,000 km, the paper said, citing intelligence sources.

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Austin » 17 Jun 2017 19:46

Iran's Soumar Ground-Based Cruise Missile

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Austin » 24 Jun 2017 14:27

Looks like Israel version of Dhanush

Israel Aerospace Industries IAI has successfully completed firing test with LORA artillery missile



The LORA is an artillery weapon system which consists of a long-range tactical ground-to-ground missile developed by the Company IAI from Israel. It was first announced in 2003, unveiled in 2006 at Eurosatory defene exposition in France, and displayed for the first time to the public in 2007 at Paris Air Show.

It is intended for strike scenarios with a range of up to 400 km and boasts precision range of 10 meters or better. The LORA missile weighs approx. 1,600 kg.

During the trail the ground version of the artillery weapon system was positioned on a naval vessel far out in the sea, in compliance with safety requirements for trails of this kind. The missile was launched from an operational system that consists of a command trailer and ground launcher. Following the launch, the missile has navigated its course to the target, striking the designated target with high precision. Both the weapon system and the missile have successfully met all objectives.

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Re: International Military Discussion

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Austin » 27 Jun 2017 11:13

Iran has built a very competent defence industry after years of sanctions

Islamic Republic of Iran’s RMA Analysed-1
Islamic Republic of Iran’s RMA Analysed-2

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby arun » 05 Jul 2017 11:29

X Posted from the International Aerospace thread.

North Korea’s Korean Central Television rolls out veteran newsreader Ri Chun-Hee to report the launch of NoKo’s first ICBM the Hwasong-14.

The Hwasong-14 ICBM was reported by KCT as being test fired on a highly lofted trajectory reaching an apogee of 2,802 km, travelled for a duration of 39 minutes and covered a distance of 933km.

Judging by the still pictures appended to the video, the ICBM seems liquid fuelled.

DPRK Fires Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile Hwasong-14

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Austin » 05 Jul 2017 11:36

A successful test launch of the first North Korean ICBM "Hwaseong-14"

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2709585.html
According to an official statement from North Korea's intercontinental ballistic missile "Hwaseong-14 'flew 933 kilometers, reached a height of 2802 kilometers and accurately hit the target after 39 minutes after the start. Earlier that North Korea launched a rocket flew for about 40 minutes at a distance of over 930 km and reached a height far exceeding 2,500 kilometers reported in the Japanese Defense Ministry .

The rocket was launched at the most steep path at the lowest possible range, according to preliminary estimates at the start of the normal trajectory of the missile can reach from 6700 to 9000 km, which means that the radius of destruction is at least the whole of Alaska and Hawaii, and if the estimates 9000 km., there almost all the west coast of the United States in the blast radius.


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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Singha » 06 Jul 2017 09:12

his viewing machan on the hill is impressive - wooden desk and all. shows commitment not to watch from safety of a bunker but let it all hang out.

liquid fuel means heavier warhead / longer range (long burn time) is possible than solid fuel at the expense of slower boost phase.

this thing is clearly meant to touch every part of japan, guam and hawaii and marginally shake a stick at alaska also.

I am sure a bigger weapon perhaps a 3 stage one is coming to put entire conus in range...if he can build some 20 and tip them with N-warheads after a test or two, he will be in same better position as china was until a decade ago with its unwieldy DF5 ICBMs also liquid fuelled and very huge.

if massa has the balls to do anything, the window is 5 yrs and shrinking.

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Austin » 06 Jul 2017 10:15

Interesting aspect Hwaseong-14 missile is they dont have any kind of conventional surfaces either for roll stability or atmospheric control , Which means it uses some kind of RCS/TVC on its liquid engine on all stages of flight for manouvering which is quite remarkable !

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 06 Jul 2017 10:54

Singha wrote:his viewing machan on the hill is impressive - wooden desk and all. shows commitment not to watch from safety of a bunker but let it all hang out.


One thing you can trust these sly dictators to have is a strong sense of self preservation... maybe the machan on the hill is hundreds of miles away :wink: AND/OR the fat Un at the launch site is not the real Un :wink: :wink:

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Re: International Military Discussion

Postby brar_w » 07 Jul 2017 14:52

RAAF receives its final EA-18G. They are also now development partners in the Next Generation Jammer Program, and also ordered the AARGM strike weapon as the DEAD weapon for the platform a few months ago.



RAAF receives full complement of Growlers
Jane's Defense Weekly, 7/7/2017


The Royal Australian Air Force (RAAF) has received into service its full complement of 12 Boeing EA-18G Growler electronic attack (EA) aircraft ordered from the United States.

The final aircraft arrived at RAAF Amberley in Queensland on 5 July, some four months after the first aircraft were showcased in late February at the Avalon Airshow 2017.

With all the Growlers now delivered, the RAAF will formally stand-up the type in 2018, with full operating capability following in 2022. These platforms will later be supplemented by five modified Gulfstream G550s that will provide a long-range EA support capability.

The RAAF's Growler programme dates to May 2013, at which time the government announced the AUD1.5-billion (USD1.14 billion) procurement effort. The contract was placed the following year, with the first flight of an Australian Growler taking place in July 2015. RAAF crews have been training alongside US Navy (USN) personnel at Naval Air Station Whidbey Island in Washington state since 2013.

Australia and the United States will jointly develop and improve the platform within the framework of a research, testing, development, and evaluation initiative that spans to 2035. This is likely to include the development of Raytheon's Next Generation Jammer (NGJ), currently under development to replace the USN's current AN/ALQ-99 system.

As noted in Jane's World Air Forces , plans for infrastructure to support Growler operations in Australia include two mobile threat emitter systems to be located near Amberley in Queensland, and a more capable system at the Delamere Air Weapons Range in Australia's Northern Territory.The RAAF's 12 aircraft bring Boeing's total programme of record for the Growler to 172 aircraft, with the remainder intended for the USN.

Speaking to reporters in May, Boeing officials said that the Growler is set for a major enhancement package designated 'Advanced EA-18G'. Following the same timeline as the Super Hornet Block 3 enhancement, the Advanced EA-18G will comprise active electronically scanned array (AESA) upgrades; open-architecture advanced computing; advanced cockpit; conformal fuel tanks (CFTs); NGJ; AN/ALQ-218 electronic support measures upgrades; advanced tactical datalink; and enhanced engines.

While Australia has not yet signed up for this upgrade, it is likely that the RAAF's aircraft will undergo the process alongside those of the USN in order to maintain a common fleet for interoperability and supportability reasons.


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An update from AWIN on USN's status for the Growler Program. 136/163 delivered (133 operational) to support the Carrier borne and X-squadrons with possibility of more to be ordered. My guess is that they will build a fleet of around 200 aircraft with more orders coming in the 2020-2022 time-frame once the Navy begins full rate production of the NGJ pods.




U.S. Navy Steadfast For Now On 160-Aircraft Growler Fleet AWIN June, 14.2017


The U.S. Navy says its planned fleet of 160 Boeing EA-18G Growlers is enough for now, but several factors could see that number increase.
A Defense Department-level assessment of the “joint warfighter requirement” for airborne electronic attack assets requested by Congress will consider whether 160 Growlers is a large enough force.

The Navy might also need additional Growlers if the Trump administration makes good on its promise to introduce a 12th aircraft carrier, up from 11 today, when counting the long-awaited lead ship of the Ford-class carrier series (CVN-78) delivered earlier this month.

That would require the service to fully restore its 10th carrier air wing. Each wing contains about eight squadrons of fixed-wing aircraft and helicopters, including a group of EA-18Gs.

In written testimony to the Senate Armed Services seapower subcommittee on June 13, the Navy says the total procurement quantity of 160 EA-18Gs fulfills its requirement. But the Pentagon may explore additional quantities to meet combined service needs.

Speaking after the committee hearing on Capitol Hill, Navy Air Warfare Director Rear Adm. DeWolfe Miller confirmed that 160 aircraft is enough for now, but the DOD’s study could impact that total number.

“We’ve had several studies in recent years reaffirm that [160] number for us,” Miller says. “If we get a 12th aircraft carrier, we will assess what the requirement would be for the 10th carrier air wing.”

The planned number of Growlers has already ballooned by 77% to 160 aircraft from the original requirement of 84.

The EA-18G is designed to “detect, identify, locate

and suppress” hostile emitters such as integrated air defense system radars and enemy command centers. It is a derivative of the BoeingF/A-18E/F Super Hornet, so any additional orders help keep production at the minimum sustainable level of 24 aircraft per year.

Boeing to date has delivered 136 aircraft to the Navy out of 163 ordered. That number includes three freebies that Boeing will provide as part of a 2014 legal settlement linked to the failed McDonnell Douglas A-12 Avenger II program, which was canceled in 1991.

The final batch of seven aircraft was funded in the Navy’s fiscal 2016 budget, and no new aircraft have been requested from fiscal 2017 onward.

Boeing is still hoping the Navy buys more Growlers along with the Advanced “Block III” Super Hornet. The company has already begun touting an “Advanced Growler,” which has a suite of new capabilities including the Raytheon-built Next Generation Jammer, which will begin replacing the legacy ALQ-99 Tactical Jamming Systems in fiscal 2021.

The Navy expects to buy 80 additional Super Hornets while also transitioning to the carrier-variant Lockheed MartinF-35C Lightning II.

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Postby brar_w » 08 Jul 2017 02:41

First time the THAAD will be tested against an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile Target (3000 km to 5500 km ranged system). As the article suggests this test (FTT-18 code) was scheduled to take place in the third quarter of 2017 and the time-frame was made public in the first half of 2016.

Exclusive: U.S. plans to test THAAD missile defenses as North Korea tensions mount


The United States plans to carry out a new test of its THAAD missile defense system against an intermediate-range ballistic missile in the coming days, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, as tensions with North Korea climb.

Despite being planned months ago, the U.S. missile defense test will gain significance in the wake of North Korea's launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) on July 4 that has heightened concerns about the threat from Pyongyang.

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Postby brar_w » 08 Jul 2017 21:49

Iranian S-200VE Coverage and S300 courtesy Reed Foster, Military Capabilities Analyst IHS and Sean O Connor, Principal Imagery Analyst at IHS Jane's:

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UKs JLTV notification -

United Kingdom – Joint Light Tactical Vehicles (JLTV) and Accessories


WASHINGTON, Jul. 10, 2017 - The State Department has made a determination approving a possible Foreign Military Sale to the United Kingdom for Joint Light Tactical Vehicles (JLTV) and accessories. The estimated cost is $1.035 billion. The Defense Security Cooperation Agency delivered the required certification notifying Congress of this possible sale today.

The Government of the United Kingdom (UK) has requested a possible sale of up to two thousand seven hundred forty-seven (2,747) Joint Light Tactical Vehicles (JLTV). This possible sale also includes baseline integration kits, basic issue item kits, B-kit armor, engine arctic kits, fording kits, run-flat kits, spare tire kits, silent watch kits, power expansion kits cargo cover kits, maintainer and operator training, U.S. government technical assistance and logistics support services, and other related elements of logistics and program support. Total estimated cost is $1.035 billion.

This proposed sale supports the foreign policy and national security policies of the United States by helping to improve the security of a NATO ally which has been, and continues to be, an important partner on critical foreign policy and defense issues.

The proposed sale will help improve the UK’s Light Tactical Vehicle Fleet and enhance its ability to meet current and future threats. The UK will have no difficulty absorbing this equipment into its armed forces.

The proposed sale will not alter the basic military balance in the region.

The principal contractor of this sale will be Oshkosh Defense, LLC, Oshkosh, Wisconsin. The procured items will require minimum contractor support until the foreign customer can eventually transition to internal organic support. There is no known offset agreement associated with this proposed sale.

There will be no adverse impact on U.S. defense readiness as a result of this proposed sale.

This notice of a potential sale is required by law and does not mean the sale has been concluded.

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Postby brar_w » 11 Jul 2017 15:43

brar_w wrote:First time the THAAD will be tested against an Intermediate Range Ballistic Missile Target (3000 km to 5500 km ranged system). As the article suggests this test (FTT-18 code) was scheduled to take place in the third quarter of 2017 and the time-frame was made public in the first half of 2016.

Exclusive: U.S. plans to test THAAD missile defenses as North Korea tensions mount


The United States plans to carry out a new test of its THAAD missile defense system against an intermediate-range ballistic missile in the coming days, two U.S. officials told Reuters on Friday, as tensions with North Korea climb.

Despite being planned months ago, the U.S. missile defense test will gain significance in the wake of North Korea's launch of an intercontinental ballistic missile (ICBM) on July 4 that has heightened concerns about the threat from Pyongyang.


THAAD successfully intercepts IRBM target -
The U.S. Missile Defense Agency (MDA), the Ballistic Missile Defense System Operational Test Agency, and U.S. Army soldiers of the 11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade from Fort Bliss, Texas, conducted an intercept test today of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense (THAAD) element of the nation’s ballistic missile defense system.

The test, designated Flight Test THAAD (FTT)-18, was executed by MDA, supported by elements of the U.S. Army, Joint Forces Component Command for Integrated Missile Defense, U.S. Air Force, U.S. Coast Guard, Pacific Spaceport Complex Alaska (PSCA), Ballistic Missile Defense Operational Test Agency, DoD Operational Test and Evaluation, and the Army Test and Evaluation Command.

A ballistic missile target was air-launched by a U.S. Air Force C-17 over the Pacific Ocean north of Hawaii. A THAAD weapon system located at PSCA in Kodiak, Alaska, detected, tracked and intercepted the target. Preliminary indications are that planned flight test objectives were achieved and the threat-representative, intermediate-range ballistic missile (IRBM) target was successfully intercepted by the THAAD weapon system.

“I couldn’t be more proud of the government and contractor team who executed this flight test today,” said MDA Director Lt. Gen. Sam Greaves. “This test further demonstrates the capabilities of the THAAD weapon system and its ability to intercept and destroy ballistic missile threats. THAAD continues to protect our citizens, deployed forces and allies from a real and growing threat.”

Soldiers from the 11th Air Defense Artillery Brigade conducted launcher, fire control and radar operations using the same procedures they would use in an actual combat scenario. Soldiers operating the equipment were not aware of the actual target launch time.

This was the 14th successful intercept in 14 attempts for the THAAD weapon system. The THAAD element provides a globally-transportable, rapidly-deployable capability to intercept ballistic missiles inside or outside the atmosphere during their final, or terminal, phase of flight. THAAD is strictly a defense system. The system uses hit-to-kill technology whereby kinetic energy destroys the incoming target. The high-altitude intercept mitigates effects of enemy weapons before they reach the ground.

The successful demonstration of THAAD against an IRBM-range missile threat bolsters the country’s defensive capability against developing missile threats in North Korea and other countries around the globe and contributes to the broader strategic deterrence architecture.

The mission of MDA is to develop and deploy a layered ballistic missile defense system to defend the United States, its deployed forces, allies and friends from ballistic missile attacks of all ranges in all phases of flight.


While the media will try to spin the North Korean angle, it is worth remembering that this test has been long delayed for priority and budget reasons and was scheduled to occur around this time for well over a year now. Last years US defense budget stated the time window in 2017 when they were aiming to conduct it. This date broadly fits that timeframe.

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Postby brar_w » 12 Jul 2017 03:02

Here is the video of the IRBM (air launched) intercept. One can notice that unlike the test-unit that launches interceptors from Hawaii this one is actually from an operational battery and is a full up TEL.


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Postby brar_w » 12 Jul 2017 17:23

That's a total of 15 Patriot Batteries. The Romanian deal will likely be the last "Raytheon" owned Patriot deal for the program with all subsequent orders including the 6 of the 8 Polish batteries to be the new Next Gen System that can't really be called a Raytheon system anymore.

Romania cleared to buy Patriot missile defense system

Poland signs memo with US outlining road map to buy Patriot, but no done deal yet]Poland signs memo with US outlining road map to buy Patriot, but no done deal yet

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Postby Singha » 12 Jul 2017 17:39

the forefather of the hwaesong-10 was a SLBM hence the lack of fins
http://www.astronautix.com/r/r-27.html

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Even their new Missile lacks fin


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Postby Lisa » 15 Jul 2017 19:06

Its so very kind of their chinese brother to give them TEL's.

P.S. I had actually also heard that they were bought as tractors but diverted for nefarious purposes by crafty N Koreans!

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Postby Austin » 16 Jul 2017 11:08

Looks like FOD damage to engine during take off both engines burnt out.

Not Zero Speed but still can be classified as Zero Zero Ejection by K-36 ejection seat. Good of pilot to realise and eject at the right time.

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Postby Manish_P » 16 Jul 2017 13:28

It's from Belarus

Possibly landing gear malfunction or pilot error

At around 0.12 it can be seen that the plane tries to lift-off, the tail section (exhaust nozzles) hit the ground. the pilot retracts the landing gear or it gets retracted due to a malfunction, there is not enough lift and the aircraft continues to slide on the runway leading to the eventual fire

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Postby Manish_P » 16 Jul 2017 13:45

Another similar event


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Postby Rakesh » 16 Jul 2017 18:31

^^ the above video reminds me of Air Commodore C D Chandrasekhar's crash. IIRC, the airframe was intact, but he died. I remember seeing a picture of the aircraft covered in tarp, after the incident.

http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/IAF/Database/8426

http://www.rediff.com/news/jan/22mig.htm

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Postby NRao » 16 Jul 2017 18:43

Manish_P wrote:It's from Belarus

Possibly landing gear malfunction or pilot error

At around 0.12 it can be seen that the plane tries to lift-off, the tail section (exhaust nozzles) hit the ground. the pilot retracts the landing gear or it gets retracted due to a malfunction, there is not enough lift and the aircraft continues to slide on the runway leading to the eventual fire


I think so too. Looks like as he went to rotate, the read landing gear gave way.

But, those ejection seats are just great.

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Postby Prem » 17 Jul 2017 00:10

Malaysia have decided not to buy 18 Rafale or EFs. This means they won;t be selling their MIg 29 sought by IAF. OTOH, Dassault will be looking for customer.

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Postby BPSingh » 17 Jul 2017 04:46

Anyone looked into the new medium transport plane from Embraer? At minimum, they got the look right. Thought you guys might find it interesting.

http://www.embraerds.com/kc-390.html

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Postby Philip » 17 Jul 2017 12:27

This is a v.major development,as earlier France and Britain cooperated on fighters such as the Jag,etc. Europe and the Germans ,along with the Brits,built the Eurofarter/Typhoon. Dassault joining hands with the rest of Europe minus BAe,is going to revoluationise the European mil aviation scheme of things as Dassault brings a wealth of talent and products to the table.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07 ... sh-europe/
France and Germany announce plans to build fighter jets together

Our Foreign Staff
13 JULY 2017 • 10:57AM
France and Germany appeared to bury the hatchet over past rivalries on defence on Thursday, as they announced plans to build fighter jets together
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Speaking after a joint cabinet meeting in Paris, French president Emmanuel Macron also called on Chancellor Angela Merkel to help provide a €1bn fund to fix Europe's economic woes.

The pair's development of both manned and unmanned warplanes would replace France's Rafale jets and the Eurofighter, rival jets that compete fiercely for global sales.

"I believe that we have shown shortly after the new government here was installed that we are ready to activate Franco-German relations with a new impetus," Mrs Merkel said.

Both leaders also pledged to push ahead with the Eurodrone programme, which is expected to produce Europe's first fleet of military drones by 2020.

“This is a revolution, but we’re not afraid of revolutions when they are peaceful, well-thought and meant to last,” said Mr Macron.

Defence experts said the announcement was a slap in the face to Britain, Europe's leading military power, in the wake of its decision to leave the EU.

"It is a sign to the British. It means 'you are leaving the EU and we are driving forward. We are no longer interested in you blocking the EU on defence'," a senior German defence industry official told Reuters news agency. :rotfl: *(Bye,bye,Britannia...!)

It came as Mr Macron called on Germany to contribute towards a €1bn project which would help develop IT and nanotechnology as part of wider efforts to improve the eurozone.

"We have launched calls for projects, along with the Germans, to attract researchers as part of the “Make our planet great again” initiative," he told French newspaper Ouest France.

The joint declaration on defence did not say what role, if any, Britain would play in the Franco-German-led development. The country is Europe's biggest defence spender and a partner in the Eurofighter project alongside Germany, Spain and Italy.

France and the United Kingdom - both permanent U.N. Security Council members with close defence and security ties - agreed to cooperate on nuclear and missiles technology in 2010, but some French officials have expressed concerns about the impact of Brexit on defence.

Some analysts and defence officials said the Franco-German push to create a new fighter could drive Britain further towards industrial and defence cooperation with the United States.

Currently, Britain has a foot in both camps through the Lockheed Martin F-35 and a share of the Eurofighter programme through BAE.

With less than three months to go before Germany's legislative elections, it will be difficult for Paris and Berlin to move ahead on key issues such as the reform of the eurozone.

The French leader has proposed creating a finance minister, parliament and budget for the eurozone, which would require changes to EU treaties.

"I want the eurozone to have more coherence and convergence," Macron said in the Ouest-France interview.

Macron warned Germany that it must move to correct the "dysfunctions" of the eurozone and give it "the fate it deserves".


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Postby Manish_P » 17 Jul 2017 17:04

Philip wrote:Europe and the Germans ,along with the Brits,built the Eurofarter/Typhoon.


The aircraft which very nearly won the MMRCA..


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