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Iran debuts Hamaseh unmanned aircraft
Gareth Jennings, London - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

http://www.janes.com/article/59484/iran ... d-aircraft
Iran has debuted a domestically developed and manufactured unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) that was first revealed in 2013, state media reported on 12 April.

The Hamaseh/Hamasseh (Epic) is taking part in the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps' (IRGC) 'The Great Prophet' military manoeuvres running from 12-14 April.

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The Hamaseh is billed as a high-altitude, long-endurance (HALE) strike and intelligence, surveillance, and reconnaissance platform. Despite being touted as a HALE UAV, images of the Hamaseh shows it to be more in either the tactical or medium-altitude, long-endurance classes.

The same images show what appears to be at least one underwing store, though this seems to be bolted to the wing rather than mounted on a conventional hardpoint.
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55 years ago today: Gagarin flies world's first space mission

On the eve of the new era

The first manned mission of the Vostok was preceded by five years of development work. Out of seven unmanned prototypes of the Vostok spacecraft flown during 1960 and 1961, two spacecraft did not reach orbit due to failures of their launch vehicles and two ships did not complete all their tasks while in orbit. Many veterans of Gagarin's launch later agreed, that in no other time in history would a new spacecraft with such a dismal success rate be certified to carry a human.
Launch

Liftoff!

Gagarin's launch vehicle blasted off into the cloudless blue sky almost as scheduled, just a fraction of a second before 09:07 Moscow Time on April 12, 1961. For decades, countless books repeated each other, claiming that Gagarin's launch was flawless. Only by the end of the 20th century, did the truth start to emerge. As it transpired, the main engine of the second stage burned around half a second longer than scheduled. As a result, the rocket exceeded its planned velocity sending the spacecraft far too high.
Orbit

In orbit

Gagarin and his peers on the ground perfectly understood the importance of entering the correct trajectory. The transcripts of radio communications between Gagarin and a ground station in Elizovo in the Kamchatka Peninsula reveal repeated attempts by the cosmonaut to get confirmation on the parameters of his orbit. At one point Gagarin seemingly lost his patience, as he was stonewalled by meaningless replies and questions about his condition by a ground controller, who was either unable or unwilling to provide useful information.
Landing

A bumpy ride home

On the way back, everything looked good until the conclusion of the 40-second burn of the braking engine, initiated successfully at 10:25 Moscow Time. The spacecraft started spinning about its axis with very high speed. For decades, the very fact, not to mention the cause of the whole incident with the separation of the capsule and its instrument module remained unknown to the general public.

Vostok mission at a glance:
Launch date and time 1961 April 12, 09:07 Moscow Time
Landing date and time 1961 April 12, 10:53 Moscow Time for the pilot; 10:48 for the descent module
Flight duration One hour 46 minutes (106 minutes)
Pilot Yuri Gagarin
Backup pilot Gherman Titov
Launch vehicle designation(s) 8K72 No. E10316 (Vostok)
Spacecraft designation(s) 3KA No. 3 Vostok
Launch site Tyuratam (Baikonur), Site 1
Landing site Approximately 25 kilometers southwest of Engels
Parachute system PS-6415-59 No. 6004142

Gagarin's rocket launcher

A record-braking size, mass and capabilities of the Vostok spacecraft became possible thanks to the power of its rocket. Originally designated in the industrial documentation as 8K72, the launch vehicle became known to the world as Vostok, following the Soviet tradition of declassifying space launchers under names of their most prominent payloads.
Misconceptions

Facts and misconceptions

As the world celebrating 50th anniversary of Gagarin's achievement, the popular media run numerous and... still erroneous accounts of this historic mission. Below is the guide to the most popular myths and misconceptions in press and TV:

There were no attempts to launch a human into space before Gagarin either in the USSR or anywhere in the world.
Problems with the hatch closure did not delay Gagarin's launch or extended his stay in the capsule.
Gagarin's ride to orbit was not trouble free - unknown to the pilot, the spacecraft entered a dangerously high orbit.
Gagarin's mission lasted 106 minutes, not 108 minutes, the duration that was reported for 50 years and even made book titles.
Popular film footage traditionally associated with Gagarin's liftoff, was actually recorded during the ill-fated launch of an unmanned Vostok prototype on July 28, 1960. (Only a few seconds after the dramatic images of the rocket's shadow moving across the giant flame duct of the launch complex had been captured, the vehicle exploded killing two dogs onboard.
Film footage of Korolev wishing Gagarin a successful flight was recorded after the fact in Korolev's office in Podlipki (near Moscow), not in the underground bunker in Tyuratam from which Korolev was monitoring the launch.
Despite numerous Russian and Western accounts, Gagarin's problems during the return to Earth were caused by the braking engine, not by an umbilical cable between the descent and service module.
Gagarin did not land on target and did not overfly it, but instead landed far short of the expected touchdown area.
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Su-24M overflying Donald Cook ( photos and video )

http://bmpd.livejournal.com/1849351.html
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Hmm.. being able to see the Great Wall of China from space may be a myth, but the DMZ sure strikes the eye. Maybe they should call it the "Great Wall of Korea".
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Bursting Abrams in Yemen. It looks they left their vehicles intact without fighting

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And some Bradley as well

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The approach has shifted considerably. With access to previous generation technology, namely a semi-mature COIL, they could only attempt boost phase intercepts using a humongous Mega-Watt class Laser mounted on a 747 [which successfully did, shoot down a Ballistic Missile] that restricted the altitude envelope. SSLs have now enabled them to put much smaller lasers, on platforms that can higher where it is easier given the atmospheric interference. The approach seems to be more numerous dispersed, unmanned vehicles capable of (most likely) loitering over SOKO with the aim of shooting down missiles a few dozen miles from them. With the dollar cost of destroying a NOKO ICBM being quite high given the infrastructure that needs to be lined up, they could afford to spend a lot of money on proving this concept and ultimately acquire the capability in limited amounts.

MDA hopes to demonstrate lasers for boost-phase intercepts by 2021
The US Missile Defense Agency (MDA) hopes in 2021 to have developed and demonstrated an aerial laser with which it could intercept and destroy ballistic missiles.

Specifically, the agency wants "a low-power laser, in the 100-kW range, to prove the coherency and physics part" of destroying a ballistic missile from an unmanned airborne platform, MDA director Vice Admiral James Syring told the Senate on 13 April.

He said MDA wants to field a prototype to help gage if there is a feasible material solution, and explained that the effort would not be on the same large scale as the manned Boeing YAL-1 Airborne Laser Testbed (also known as the Airborne Laser: ABL), a multibillion development effort that was ultimately cancelled in 2009 after Secretary of Defense Robert Gates found the technology and operating concept unworkable.

MDA envisions a competition for the new platform in fiscal year 2017 (FY 2017) from which possibly two competitors could be chosen, Vice Adm Syring said. The agency would then downselect to one solution for a first flight in 2020, and then a final demonstration in 2021, he added.

BMD officials often bemoan a 'cost curve' that strongly favours cheap and accurate offensive missiles over costly interceptors. A key effort within the defence community towards addressing that imbalance is to include directed energy systems as part of the overall missile defence architecture.

"Our long-term goal is to deploy lasers on high altitude, long endurance [HALE] unmanned aerial vehicle [UAV] platforms to destroy ICBMs [intercontinental ballistic missiles] in the boost phase," Adm Syring said in his written testimony.

Such a capability requires developing a highly efficient laser (much work must still be done with power, cooling, beam quality, and atmospheric correction subsystems), and integrating with a HALE UAV to carry it.


For FY 2017 the MDA has requested USD71.8 million to continue developing and testing directed energy systems for UAV-borne defences, and this would include two potential solid-state lasers for demonstrations. It also requested USD90 million to integrate an advanced sensor into the Multispectral Targeting System and MQ-9 Reaper "to address precision track and discrimination performance of airborne sensors", according to the agency's budget documents.Frank Kendall, the Pentagon's top acquisition official, has said that missile defence is his highest priority for directed energy systems. The Pentagon likely needs to achieve the efficient use of 100 kW lasers before it can effectively address even moderate missile threats, and many US officials are optimistic that this can be reached in the next several years.

Such systems are only likely to become part of a more advanced overall ballistic missile defence (BMD) system and not a 'silver bullet' for missile defence because of the so-called absentee ratio: the numbers of incoming threats and the potential for dispersal means an aerial system cannot always be in the right place at the right time, and too many would have to be acquired and deployed to cover the world.
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Playing Catch up..

ULA’s Next-Generation Rocket Takes Reusability To New Heights
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – United Launch Alliance’s next-generation rocket, the future Vulcan Aces, will be able to refuel in space, opening the door to in-orbital assembly and other complex space operations.

Most aerospace companies focus on reusing the first-stage rocket, ULA president and chief executive Tory Bruno said in a Wednesday interview at the Space Foundation’s annual National Space Symposium. SpaceX, for example, recently landed a first-stage Falcon 9 rocket on a barge in the Atlantic Ocean after it successfully launched a payload into space.

The concept of a reusable first-stage rocket, if it proves reliable, could transform the space launch market, potentially driving down the cost of space launch to unprecedented levels, analysts contend.But ULA is taking a different approach. Bruno wants to reuse the upper stage, which — unlike the first stage, which falls to the ground before it reaches space — is orbital.

“We had the idea, well, why do you have to bring it back to Earth just to reuse it?” Bruno said “Why don’t we just leave it in space?”

Atlas V’s upper stage, dubbed Centaur, can operate for about seven or eight hours in space, which allows ULA to directly inject a spacecraft into geosynchronous orbit. The next-generation Vulcan’s upper-stage rocket, dubbed Aces, will be able to operate for seven or eight days using its initial loaded propellant, Bruno said.This will allow the Aces to perform multiple missions in space, such as rendezvous and proximity, and even refueling operations to further extend its life, Bruno stressed. ULA plans to build up a fleet of upper-stage Aces in space that can refuel each other using excess fuel, Bruno said.

“So that means that you can do multiple missions, and you can do rendezvous and now it’s also practical to refuel it in space and just use it forever,” Bruno said.

This capability opens the door to a variety of complex space missions, such as “distributed lift,” or taking spacecraft up in pieces and assembling them in space, he said.

“It will really change the way we go to space,” Bruno said. “It’s going make it practical to build giant structures and infrastructure in space.”

Bruno expects the launch of ULA’s first iteration of the Vulcan, which uses the Centaur upper stage, to occur in 2019 at the earliest. The second iteration, the Vulcan Aces, will be available three to four years later, in about 2024, he said.
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@ GeorgeWelch

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This photograph shows one of the few places on Earth where an international boundary can be seen at night. The winding border between Pakistan and India is lit by security lights that have a distinct orange tone.
Large image at below link

The India Pakistan border at night

@Viv S

And what can this wall be called.... perhaps "The Great Wall between Anarchy and Harmony"

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P&W locks in $1 billion contract for F-35 engines
Pratt & Whitney secured a $1 billion contract this week to fund the first 66 of 167 F135 propulsion systems being purchased by the US government to power the growing domestic and international fleet of Lockheed Martin F-35s.

The government reached a handshake agreement with P&W for low-rate initial production lots nine and 10 in January, and the contract announced on 11 April is the realisation of Lot 9.

It buys 53 engines to power the conventional and carrier-based F-35As and Cs and another 13 for the short takeoff and vertical landing F-35B.

International partners Italy, Norway and the United Kingdom contributed 29% of the funding ($300 million) and foreign military sales customers Israel and Japan paid 14% ($147 million).

A spokesman for P&W says the company is working with the Pentagon to finalise the details of Lot 10 and an award should be forthcoming later this month.

Those F135s are already under construction and the first engine of Lot 9 will be delivered sometime this quarter.To date, P&W has delivered 273 engines from its facilities in Middletown, Connecticut and West Palm Beach, Florida. The company says the engine is achieving mission capability rates of 96% and the cost per unit is also coming down.

“We remain laser-focused on reducing costs, meeting our delivery schedule commitments, ensuring dependable engine performance and preparing for global sustainment of the F-35 fleet,” says Mark Buongiorno, vice-president of P&W’s F135 engine programme.

Meanwhile, the US government continues to negotiate with Lockheed on the purchase of 157 aircraft, to be delivered from the main plant in Fort Worth, Texas and final checkout and assembly facilities in Italy and Japan.

Those deals would fund Lot 9 and 10, which are already under construction. In March, Lockheed received a $180 million contract to fund long-lead parts for Lot 11.
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DARPA spaceplane enters Phase 2 development
The US Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) announced on 7 April that it has commenced the next phase of its experimental spaceplane (XS-1) programme, which seeks to design and manufacture an unmanned fixed-wing spacecraft capable of on-demand, routine and recurring access to space.

Phase 2 will include final design, fabrication, and integration assembly and testing of a prototype. In Phase 1 DARPA awarded prime contracts to Boeing (working with Blue Origin, LLC), Masten Space Systems (working with XCOR Aerospace), and Northrop Grumman Corporation (working with Virgin Galactic) to "evaluate technical feasibility and methods". Phase 3 will include flight test campaigns that incorporate propulsion systems which will be flight ready by fiscal year 2020.

According to DARPA, the XS-1 is envisioned to employ "structures made of advanced materials, cryogenic tanks, durable thermal protection, and modular subsystems" and a reusable, reliable, unmanned propulsion or booster vehicle. The booster vehicle would launch, fly to hypersonic speeds at a suborbital altitude, "where one or more expendable upper stages would separate, boost, and deploy satellites into low Earth orbit (LEO)", then return to earth for another flight with rapid turnaround.

The programme has four primary technical goals. The craft must fly 10 times in a 10-day period (not including weather, range and emergency delays), demonstrate aircraft-like access to space, and eliminate concerns about the reliability of reusable launches; achieve flight velocity sufficiently high to enable the use of a small expendable upper stage; insert a representative payload of 408 kg to 680 kg to orbit with the goal that the same vehicle could eventually insert future 1360 kg or greater payloads by using a larger expendable upper stage; and finally, reduce the cost of access to space with a goal of approximately USD5 million per flight for the operational system including the reusable booster and expendable upper stage.

DARPA's Tactical Technology Office will hold an event in Arlington, Virginia, on 29 April to provide information to potential proposers on the objectives of the XS-1 programme in advance of the planned Phases 2 and 3 programme solicitations. Based on the results of Phase 1, DARPA anticipates that Phases 2 and 3 will be a "full and open" competition for a single contract worth up to USD140 million for the development of a prototype and subsequent trials.The XS-1 programme is structured to transition any successful technology and derived systems to industry and commercial launch sectors to enable new government launch markets and services. Militarily-relevant applications would enable future capabilities such as disaggregated spacecraft architectures and next-generation, reusable space-access aircraft.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2016 ... /83032878/

Paki dreams of longer range missile blown up.
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Dilemma, given that international competitors already procure decommissioned ICBMs and offer very low launch prices, while if that is allowed for Orbital (higher volumes) they may gain an unfair competitive advantage vs a Space X or a BO in the future that are trying to reduce launch costs through reusability and innovation.

Hyten: Let Industry Buy ICBMs for Space Launch At Fair Price
COLORADO SPRINGS, Colo. – The US government should allow aerospace companies to buy rocket motors from excess intercontinental ballistic missiles for commercial space launch, the chief of US Air Force Space Command said today — but the price must be right.

The Air Force is spending hundreds of millions of dollars to maintain about 800 decommissioned ICBM motors sitting in storage, Gen. John Hyten said Thursday during a media briefing at the Space Foundation’s annual National Space Symposium. But the Air Force can’t maintain these systems forever, Hyten said. At some point, they will become unusable and must be destroyed.

“From a taxpayer perspective, wouldn’t it be better to get some value out of that rather than just destroy them?” Hyten said.

But the solution is not quite so simple. The US must sustain a viable commercial sector for small payload launch long into the future, a market that could face destruction if it is flooded with government assets.

Orbital ATK, maker of the Minotaur family of launch vehicles that already use excess ICBM motors for Department of Defense space launch missions, is lobbying hard to get the US government to release those assets to the commercial marketplace. But newer companies that have invested significant money to build their own vehicles to launch small commercial payloads are pushing back, arguing the move would give an unfair advantage to Orbital ATK and kill innovation.Though the Air Force is not the decision maker in this case — the final call lies with national policy makers — Hyten said he believes that selling the ICBM motors to industry for a competitive price could be the solution.

“If we just make those available, not for free, but available as part of that small business at a right number, I think there’s a sweet spot somewhere that we can find in order to do that,” Hyten said.

Giving the ICBMs away for free gives the buyer an unfair competitive advantage over companies that have invested in their own small payload launch vehicles, Hyten stressed. But “there has to be some way to transfer those at some cost in order to have a level playing field.”

However, he cautioned that “we cannot destroy the small launch business.”

“Whatever we do the long term that has to be there, so that may put us in a bind with what we do with the ICBMs,” Hyten said. “If that’s the case, that’s the case.”
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Official graphic on the Long Range Discrimination Radar, the S-Band Gallium Nitride sensor going up in Alaska ( Clear Air Force Station). Would have still preferred multiple stacked TPY-2's but I guess the lower frequency offers longer range at a lower cost.

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Snippets from the CRS report and analysis on the B-21:
A previous CRS Insight noted that the B-21’s proposed funding and deployment schedule implied that considerable development had been accomplished prior to contract award. The Air Force later confirmed this, with senior program officials stating that both competing designs were at an unusually high level of detail and development for a system in which the prime contractor had not been selected. The low-observable characteristics of both designs were investigated in detail against current and anticipated threats, and final designs were complete down to the level of, for example, individual access panels.18 This high level of technical readiness may help explain why the Air Force anticipates IOC approximately 10 years from contract award, whereas other technically complex aircraft like F-22 and F-35 have taken more than 20 years [they are wrong on the 20 years, the real number is around 15 years]Major subsystem risk reduction was also accomplished, and both competitors’ designs incorporated substantial quantities of existing subsystems (sometimes with B-21-specific refinements). This effort presumably reduces technological risk and shortens the time required for the engineering and manufacturing development (EMD) phase that precedes production. Indeed, although DOD’s usual Technology Readiness Levels are not being used to measure maturity on the program, program officials stated that no further technology development is required to move B-21 to production. They see the most challenging part of B-21 as the integration of technologies in the EMD phase.
Air Force officials have emphasized that B-21 is part of a family of systems, implying that it is the node of a larger, distributed network of sensors and communications, not all of which may have been publicly disclosed. Connectivity with this family of systems has been included in the B-21 design from the start, although it is not possible to gauge the maturity or stability of these systems―and thus how much the B-21 may have to be adapted in the future should those external systems change.
Plans call for initial acquisition of B-21s to take place in five low-rate production lots totaling 21 aircraft. Two or three test aircraft will precede the production lots. The development program began on Friday, October 23, 2015, when Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition,Technology and Logistics Frank Kendall selected Northrop Grumman as the prime contractor. According to program officials, selection of a contractor constituted “Milestone B” in this acquisition, although it is not clear whether all of the required steps for a formal Milestone B review were carried out under the B-21’s rapid acquisition construct.
Northrop Grumman intends to build the B-21 at its facilities at Air Force Plant 42 in Palmdale, CA, which were previously used to produce the B-2. The company currently builds F-35 subassemblies and Global Hawk and Triton UAVs on the site, and this work would continue alongside the B-21. Although the delivery schedule has not been announced, work is underway to prepare the production line.
On March 7, 2016, the Air Force released a list of B-21 major subcontractors, without commenting on what part of the aircraft they would provide. Subcontractors include
 Pratt & Whitney, East Hartford, CT;
 BAE Systems, Nashua, NH;
 GKN Aerospace, St. Louis, MO;
 Janicki Industries, Sedro-Woolley, WA;
 Orbital ATK, Clearfield, UT and Dayton, OH;
 Rockwell Collins, Cedar Rapids, IA; and
 Spirit AeroSystems, Wichita, KS.
When it initially released information about the program, the Air Force announced that it hoped to buy “80 to 100” B-21s. That number was subsequently resolved to a request for 100 in the FY2017 budget submission.
The B-21 is intended to replace the 76 B-52 and 63 B-1 strategic bombers currently in the fleet. B-52s date from the 1960s; B-1s date from the 1980s.

When the B-2 was procured in the 1990s, initial plans called for 132 aircraft. Ultimately, 21 B-2s were procured.27 The B-2 was not primarily intended to replace existing bombers, but to add stealth capability to the fleet. Arguably, that role as an enhancement rather than a replacement made it easier to reduce the number bought, since adding any quantity of B-2s would leave the bomber force more capable than before.By contrast, the Air Force plans to retire its B-52s and B-1s by 2040. Even with the full planned buy of 100 B-21s, following those retirements, the bomber fleet would shrink in number from 159 to 120. Although quantity does not directly equal capability, it may be argued that the proposed retirements place a minimum requirement for the number of B-21s to be acquired that did not exist for the B-2.
Others argue that the resulting bomber force will be too small, and that DOD should acquire more than 100 B-21s. For example, a paper by retired Air Force LtGen Michael Moeller, writing for the Mitchell Institute airpower think tank, recommended a force of 150 to 160 combat-coded bombers, which would require 200 B-21s.
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R44463.pdf
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brar_w, I see a lot of risk reduction programs albeit smaller in scope that feed into the main program, how can such strategy be conflated when you are buying tech popularly called ToT. The selling nation already solved the tech issues, its the politics of selling ranging from foreign policy to marketing gimmicks that had been the undoing in ToT deals. Is it possible to identify the risks ahead of a ToT deal so the key tech transfer happens in the first few years of a ToT deal using smaller R&D programs hand held by the seller and not just rely on legal agreements.
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how can such strategy be conflated when you are buying tech popularly called ToT
You buy technology, not the experience acquired while developing it. Advanced Prototyping, systems development, making open ended mission systems and achieving non-program-throttled goals in materials, propulsion etc help you drive risk out of a future program and in the US, TRL and MRL (Technology Readiness Level, and Manufacturing Readiness Level) data are required by law to be specified and approved by the Congress and others in the loop in the acquisition community. Gone are the days of the B-2 where you could put on any pie in the sky technology during the requirements phase of a program and assume unlimited development or manufacturing risk. Today, anything below TRL6 has to either wait till technology matures, or has to go and seek congressional approval if the performance advantage is strategically justifiable. The B-21 gets a free pass because there has been a ton of classified level work leading up to program Milestone B decision, work that CRS cannot share and itself doesn't know about given its comprised of civilians that lack the authority. They have also spent nearly $3 Billion developing it (The LRS-B retained the NGB program codes in Budget Materials - A fairly clear GIVE AWAY) prior to program start between 2002 and 2016 and that doesn't include non program specific developments like propulsion, materials, waveforms etc. The entire AETP, AETD and follow on adaptive engine programs are there so that the propulsion technology can be at TRL 8 or so, by the time the next generation fighter milestone-A occurs. They are well on a path to achieve this status much ahead of that schedule.
Is it possible to identify the risks ahead of a ToT deal so the key tech transfer happens in the first few years of a ToT deal using smaller R&D programs hand held by the seller and not just rely on legal agreements.
I don't have any knowledge of this although I have never come across any academic or analytical work on how well TOT arrangements have been implemented or benefited those on either side.
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much thank you!
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Ya Arrah how the believers have fallen
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/04 ... tcmp=hpbt4
Out of 276 F/A-18 Hornet strike fighters in the Marine Corps inventory, only about 30% are ready to fly, according to statistics provided by the Corps. Similarly, only 42 of 147 heavy-lift CH-53E Super Stallion helicopters are airworthy.
Lack of funds has forced the Marines to go outside the normal supply chain to procure desperately needed parts. Cannibalization, or taking parts from one multi-million dollar aircraft to get other multi-million dollar aicraft airborne, has become the norm.

To get one Hornet flying again, Marines at Beaufort stripped a landing gear door off a mothballed museum jet. The door, found on the flight deck of the World War II-era USS Yorktown, was last manufactured over a decade ago.

“Imagine taking a 1995 Cadillac and trying to make it a Ferrari,” Sgt. Argentry Uebelhoer said days before embarking on his third deployment. “You're trying to make it faster, more efficient, but it's still an old airframe … [and] the aircraft is constantly breaking.”

Maintaining the high-performance Hornets is a challenge with 30,000 fewer Marines, part of a downsizing that has been ongoing since 2010.

“We don't have enough of them to do the added work efficiently. We are making it a lot harder on the young marines who are fixing our aircraft,” said Maj. Michael Malone of Marine Aviation Logistics Squadron 31.

Sometimes it takes the Marines 18 months to get parts for early model F-18 jets whose production was halted in 2001.

“We are an operational squadron. We are supposed to be flying jets, not building them,” said Lt. Col. Harry Thomas, Commanding Officer of VMFA-312, a Marine Corps F/A-18 squadron based at Beaufort.
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The USMC aviation has taken the single largest readiness hit post the 2010 Sequestration triggered by the Budget Control Act. Add to that the fact that they have seen huge amount of flying over the last decade, and the fact that they never bought the Super Hornet in the interim and the result is a perfect storm of capability shortfall, where there is a cap on the manpower they can sustain, cap on the inventory and depot capacity they can build up and a lack of focus on their parent service to improve Classic Hornet capacity since it has a young Super Hornet fleet to offer during surge demand. If that was not bad enough, the F-35B has been late and they are adding a squadron a year. Ideally, they would have requested a higher delivery rate since there is unused capacity between 2015 and 2020, but they can't do that since the budget is capped and sequestered. They will take a good 6-8 years to regain the pre-sequestration readiness levels as the F-35B acquisition program kicks full swing. The USN has this issue as well with the Classic Hornet, but they have a hot production line, and hundreds of jets that are new (SH). Plus the USN hasn't packed the carrier to capacity like they did during the cold war but depot capacity shortfalls exist there as well, hence the push to buy more Super Hornets since the initial SH's are getting close to their retirement, and shortfall in depot capacity cannot be mended until manpower expenditure is restored post BCA-Demise which could happen before 2021.

There was also a sort of a quid-pro-quo handshake between the three US services and the Congress to raid readiness down to just-enough levels in order to fund modernization during sequestration. In some cases it has worked for them, such as the USAF, that became more efficient at managing expenditure and manpower when it became cash strapped, but in other areas it has come to bite them in the A$$, and Marine Aviation is a good example of that since it was never really a 'mighty' air-component, operating legacy Hornets and Harriers unlike its parent service that got shiny new Rhino's and Growlers.

Its not like this has hit them in the face, most saw it coming, its just that the rules they have to operate in under-sequestration have forced them to think short-term, and risk-medium term readiness.
Cherry Point, NC: The Marine Corps is pushing some of its fighter aircraft to the breaking point, as the service waits for the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

Marine Corps fighter squadrons in Afghanistan have racked up thousands of flight hours on their legacy F/A-18 Hornets, scraping the ceiling of the 9,000 to 10,000-hour cap set by Naval Air Systems Command for the fighter jets, Capt. Stewart Wittel, a F/A-18 pilot with Marine Corps Fighter Squadron 224, told me this week

Marine Corps Hornets completed their rotation in Afghanistan earlier this year, with the service’s AV-8B Harriers now providing air power to Marines in country. The last Hornet deployment was in May, Marine Corps spokesman Capt. Brian Block said today.

But Whittel, who just returned from a deployment in Helmand province in southern Afghanistan supporting Marine Corps forces near the Sangin valley, said some squadrons are reaching service life limits with the Hornet.


The F/A-18 Hornet was designed to fly about 6,000 hours before retirement. Marine Corps pilots do not fly the newer F/A-18 Super Hornet.
A Marine Service Life Extension Program (SLEP) is designed to push the limits on flight hours on from the original 6,000 hours to between 9,000 and 10,000 on the Hornet fleet. The SLEP effort was intended to keep the Hornets flying until they get the F-35.

Headquarters Marine Corps – Aviation, who oversee the service’s aviation budget, were adamant the SLEP effort would go no further than the 9,000- to 10,000-hour extension.

But Block told Breaking Defense that the highest average flight time on any service F/A-18 Hornet is just over 8,500 hours. “Moreover, not a single F/A-18 Hornet in the Department of the Navy inventory has surpassed the 9,000 hour mark,” Block said.
But flying that close to the 9,000 to 10,000 hour ceiling is stressing out the Hornet fleet, Wittel said, especially on the maintenance side.

“It does not mean that the aircraft are still not relevant and capable of doing [the mission], it is just we are managing now the stress on the aircraft and making sure stress points on the
aircraft are checked on a regular basis.” he added.

That will mean more work for depot crews once the planes come home. Taking the Marines usual can-do attitude into account, an observer still has to wonder when wings will begin to crack and other bits fall off or fail.
To that point, Block said that Marine Corps crews “are conducting routine maintenance at an accelerated pace due to higher utilization” of the Hornet in theater.

But at some point, time will eventually run out on the Hornet fleet if the Marine Corps keep flying the Hornet at or near that 9,000 to 10,000-hour limit, warned Maj. Gen. Jon Davis, commander of the 2nd Marine Corps Air Wing.

“You cannot keep it up forever,” Davis said to me earlier this week. “You had to do SLEP to get them out to 10,000 [already]…we want to bring F-35 into the fleet as quickly as we can, so we do not have to extend the life of those F-18s.”

A congressional aide was not sympathetic to the Marines’ plight as they near service life limits on the F/A/-18.

“The fact that the Marines are having a tough time is no surprise. They decided to not buy any Super Hornets and hope that their legacy Hornets would last until the JSF arrived,” the aide wrote in an email. “That now looks like a really bad bet.”

Flying legacy Hornets up to the flight hour ceiling is “OK here and there, but at some point the amount of maintenance required to keep those planes flying is simply unsustainable,” the aide added.

Another close observer of the program who is familiar with the congressional debate, appeared relatively unfazed that the Marine planes have wracked up the hours they have. “On the other hand, this isn’t a hard problem to fix — rotate out those Hornets, rotate in others with fewer hours on them. If we’re actually getting out of Afghanistan in the next year, the replacement planes shouldn’t time out,” this source said in an email.
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How can the muezzin of ze faithful suffer such igominy?

All this was supposed to be unique to 'em 4th worlders.

They need their mahdi TSJ to lead them out of ze darkness.
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This is an important lesson for policy-makers in that if they deploy their hardware, it gets utilized at a rate higher than peacetime. For most folks, it would be common sense but for politicos they need that practical experience because why look ahead a few years and address depot capacity shortfalls ;). Also, in a sequestered budget you don't get political points for claiming you funded depot capacity but if you can get more new hardware then that carries mileage. For the last 2 years, Congress has been adding to the F-35B's requested by the USMC even though they could spent that money paying for readiness.

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As for TSJ, I'll pose the standard question that is asked of their community : The United States Navy has its own Air-Force and its own Army. But why does US Navy's Army, needs its own Air Force :).
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s for TSJ, I'll pose the standard question that is asked of their community : The United States Navy has its own Air-Force and its own Army. But why does US Navy's Army, needs its own Air Force :).
to adequately answer this question it will take a certain amount of historical perspective;

the battle of Guadalcanal and the associated naval battle of Savo Island

from wiki.....
Battle of Savo Island[edit]
Main article: Battle of Savo Island
That night, as the transports unloaded, two groups of screening Allied cruisers and destroyers, under the command of British Rear Admiral Victor Crutchley VC, were surprised and defeated by a Japanese force of seven cruisers and one destroyer from the 8th Fleet based at Rabaul and Kavieng and commanded by Japanese Vice Admiral Gunichi Mikawa. In the Battle of Savo Island one Australian and three American cruisers were sunk and one American cruiser and two destroyers were damaged. The Japanese suffered moderate damage to one cruiser.[41] Mikawa, who was unaware Fletcher was preparing to withdraw with the U.S. carriers, immediately retired to Rabaul without attempting to attack the transports. Mikawa was concerned about daylight U.S. carrier air attacks if he remained in the area. Bereft of his carrier air cover, Turner decided to withdraw his remaining naval forces by the evening of 9 August and in so doing left the Marines ashore without much of the heavy equipment, provisions and troops still aboard the transports. Mikawa's decision not to attempt to destroy the Allied transport ships when he had the opportunity proved to be a crucial strategic mistake.[42]
after Guadalcanal, there was a come to Jesus meeting with the Navy to wit: are you a brother or, are you not?

are you with us? if not, say so now.

the Navy rectified the situation and gave to us Halsey and Nimitz.

the Marines subsequently captured Henderson Field and we've had three Marine Air Wings ever since.
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^ I have over the years heard every possible historic and doctrinal justifications including at the numerous debates organized by the Naval Academy form time to time. I was just looking for a non-traditional answer ;)
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U.S. poised to approve Boeing fighter jet sales to Qatar, Kuwait
The U.S. government is poised to approve two long-delayed sales of Boeing Co fighter jets to Qatar and Kuwait, and could announce the multibillion-dollar deals during President Barack Obama's visit to the Gulf this week, according to two sources familiar with the matter.

Both deals have been stalled amid concerns raised by Israel that equipment sent to Gulf states could fall into the wrong hands and be used against it, and by the Obama administration's broader decision-making on military aid to the Gulf.

However, the Pentagon and the State Department both have signed off on the sale of some 36 F-15 fighter jets to Qatar and 24 F/A-18E/F Super Hornets to Kuwait, both built by Boeing. The White House is expected to follow suit shortly.

The sale to Kuwait is worth about $3 billion and the one to Qatar is probably close to $4 billion, sources familiar with the matter said.

"The last hurdle now is getting approval from the National Security Council and the White House," said one of the sources.

The Pentagon had no immediate comment.

A senior Obama administration official said it was the administration's policy not to comment on potential arm sales until it has formally notified Congress of an intent to sell something.

But, the official said, the United States is committed to the security and stability of the Gulf region and defense sales "fit into the overall U.S. regional diplomatic strategy."

Expected approval of the fighter jet sales comes as the White House seeks to shore up relations with Gulf allies as they increase their military capabilities amid growing fears that Washington is drawing closer to Iran in the aftermath of the nuclear deal with that country.

Senior U.S. officials, including Navy Secretary Ray Mabus have publicly urged approval of the weapons sales, which will help maintain production of the fourth-generation Boeing fighter jets, while the newer and more advanced Lockheed Martin Corp F-35 fighter jet enters service in coming years.

One senior U.S. defense official said the Pentagon is keen to see the Boeing F-15 and F/A-18 production lines in St. Louis continue and does not want to "foreclose any options on fourth-generation aircraft at this point."

Boeing already is spending "hundreds of millions" of dollars to buy long-lead materials such as titanium to prepare for a possible Kuwaiti order for F/A-18E/F Super Hornets and a separate U.S. Navy order for 12 jets put on the service's "unfunded priorities" list submitted to Congress.

The Navy is hoping that Congress will provide the funding to pay for the Boeing jets in fiscal 2017, although the planes were not included in its base budget request. It already has earmarked funding for more F/A-18E/F jets in fiscal 2018.

A larger concern now is the Boeing F-15 line, which is set to end in 2019 after Boeing completes work on a large order for Saudi Arabia, unless a follow-on order is approved.
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First Light F-35 Helmet Test A Success
WASHINGTON — The first test of a new, lightweight F-35 helmet was successful, according to the program office, a promising sign that the Pentagon can qualify and implement all three fixes to the jet’s escape system by the end of the year.

On March 31 at Holloman Air Force Base, New Mexico, Lockheed Martin's F-35 conducted the first test combining all three solutions designed to reduce the risk of neck injury to F-35 pilots during ejection, according to spokesman Joe DellaVedova. Once the full gamut of testing is completed, hopefully by the end of the summer, the JPO can begin implementing the two modifications to the ejection seat and issuing the new Generation III “light” helmet to the fleet, he said.

The recent sled test, conducted with a 103-pound mannequin, is the latest sign that the JPO can make good on its promise to finish the three design fixes by November, allowing the military services to lift restrictions on lightweight pilots flying the F-35. Last year, Defense News first reported that pilots under 136 pounds were barred from flying the fifth-generation aircraft after testers discovered an increased risk of neck damage to lightweight pilots ejecting from the plane. The US Air Force has also acknowledged an “elevated level of risk” for pilots between 136 and 165 pounds.The prototype helmet tested last month weighs about 4.63 pounds, approximately 6 ounces lighter than the original Gen III helmet, and is designed to ease some strain on smaller pilots' necks during ejection.

Although the March 31 test was the first test of the new helmet, the JPO, Lockheed Martin and seat-maker Martin Baker have conducted at least seven other tests with the latest version of the seat, which is equipped with two modifications designed to reduce risk to pilots. The fixes to the ejection seat itself include a switch for lightweight pilots that will delay deployment of the main parachute, and a “head support panel,” a fabric panel sewn between the parachute risers that will protect the pilot’s head from moving backward during the parachute opening.

The program office has about another 10 tests planned, which will use a mix of low-, middle- and high-weight mannequins.

"This initial test had promising results and the F-35 enterprise is on a path to qualify the helmet ... by the end of this summer,” DellaVedova told Defense News on Monday. “The lighter helmet expected to be fielded by the end of the year is in line with the seat timeframe as well.”
Israel sets date for F-35 arrival
The first two of Israel's Lockheed Martin F-35I "Adir" fighters are scheduled to land in the nation on 12 December, with another six to be delivered in 2017.

Immediately following their arrival, the lead aircraft will have unique systems installed that have been developed to meet the Israeli air force's operational requirements for the stealthy type. Further details of the enhancements have not been disclosed.

Israel has committed to 33 conventional take-off and landing F-35s and intends to increase the number as part of an effort to increase the level of Foreign Military Financing (FMF) made available to it by the USA. Further examples would enable it to fully populate two frontline squadrons with the Adir, and sources suggest an increase will occur regardless of the result of ongoing bilateral negotiations linked to FMF provisioning for the next 10 years.

As part of its acquisition, the Israeli air force will establish facilities to enable it to perform all maintenance on its bases. The service's 22 maintenance unit is already making preparations with dedicated centres, including one related to supporting the use of composite materials.
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had me cofuswed for a minute.........I thought JUNO referred to the old liquid fuel rocket from the 1950s......further inquiry informed that this was JUNO PTV, a solid fuel target missile developed by Orbital........ :-o

these dang target missiles are verrry sophisticated.......
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Nice Video , Patriot Acceleration has always been very impressive , What kind of target does Juno simulate and what range of BM can they?

IIRC PAC-3MSE can intercept target corresponding to a BM with 1000 km range.
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Stanford is using Lean startup startegy to Defense.I felt it might help us better than US.

http://hacking4defense.stanford.edu/dodic-problems.html
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Austin wrote:Nice Video , Patriot Acceleration has always been very impressive , What kind of target does Juno simulate and what range of BM can they?

IIRC PAC-3MSE can intercept target corresponding to a BM with 1000 km range.
Juno is a SRBM target with sub 1000 km range (iirc). THE MSE can intercept an SRBM and some of the shorter ranged MRBM's as well although they haven't yet launched the MSE at such a target (It only became operational recently). Given its mobility requirement, and dual role (AMD) limiting sensor requirements ,and the fact that it along with the MEADS is the tip of the spear, the largest threat is from SRBM's launched towards the front-line troops, with the medium ranged threat being significantly less for such a system (you would probably need a dedicated radar to fully tackle it anyways, or at least a second radar focused solely at the BM threat).

The ultimate plan was/is to integrate patriot and thaad C2C through IBCS (they have already proven elements of that) and then develop an IBCS controlled remote THAAD launch from a common THAAD-PAC-3MSE launcher (for a raid launch scenario threat that the US Army fears most) that is unattached from the THAAD battery that obviously doesn't travel with the troops (though is mobile). They are some time away form that synergy but in the meanwhile the AESA radar, and the faster, larger envelope MSE should provide longer range and higher altitude intercepts compared to the standard PAC-3.

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With THAAD, in South Korea inevitable, in Japan, TPY-2 in Turkey (forward deployed mode supporting AEGIS), and full up systems in Qatar and the UAE finalized (now with SSA agreements apparently), they pretty much have all theaters covered by the dual layer for now so they may actually not move beyond the sensor-sensor, BM-BM integration that exists even now between THAAD and Patriot. With the IBCS and Patriot, the focus is now shifting away from Ballistic Missiles that the have focused on since the mid 90's, to cruise missiles so a lot of the money is going towards integrating the various sensors to plug sensor gaps that stealthy low-flying cruise missiles exploit. Raytheon (which still claims the Patriot as its own product), is even now working on an interceptor against an advanced Air Breathing Threat to eventually replace its larger, longer ranged GEM/T's.

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these dang target missiles are verrry sophisticated.......
Juno is actually one of the more simpler, low-cost SRBM targets that they want to use a lot of (hence the affordability). Unlike the IRBM and future ICBM targets that can be extremely expensive, the idea behind Juno was to repackage as many existing systems as they could since there would be high single digit (or more) launches a year in support of continuous improvements of Patriot, IBCS and MEADS etc.
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Marines Are Flying Only 60% of F-18 Hornets They Need

^A deeper perspective on the USMC Aviation woes. The SASC hearing is available as a video as well and was very informative when it came to the sort of utilization that the USN and USMC assets have had over the last 15 years. In a nut shell, not only did they blow past their own utilization models, but also blew past their spare utilization rates and subsequently the inventory, especially on parts that they had stockpiled since they were no longer expected to be produced (for the legacy hornets and harriers).

The USN Aviation boss also said, that second tier readiness will only recover by 2020 given that they have only now started to reverse the effects of sequestration through the two BBA's and that their tier readiness structure gradually builds up proficiency. When asked about how the payload and range is on the F-35B, Lt. Gen Davis said that the Marines now had a STOVL aircraft that replaces the Harrier, that goes farther than the Classic Hornet while carrying 2,000 lb of more payload . They also confirmed the third at-carrier trial for the F-35C later this year, and the setting up of the third USMC F-35B squadron in June of this year. 2 USMC units are already operational with the F-35B, with one deploying to Iwakuni in Japan early next year. The USN is also sticking to its plans of buying 40 F-35's starting 2020, with 20 being the carrier variant, and 20 being the STOVL type for the Marines. Initially, there would be one F-35C squadron setup every year, alternating between the USN and USMC, till such time as the USMC acquires all of its F-35C's.

Also, more Super Hornet's are almost certain, with the deficit for 2017 being acquired (whatever production # is left once Kuwait orders it), while they may buy the entire production year for the next purchase year. Also, the Growler number stands at 160 (delivered), with more likely (could be 200 net). NGJ pods purchase to be adjusted for the eventual number of Growlers acquired.
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Gurus - Novice question... i tried searching online but not of much help. Why US maintain 4 Forces - Air, Army, Navy and Marines... How Marines is different from Air \ Navy and what different they do that there counterpart does not ?
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Marine Air Wings are the Navy's army's air-force ;). They are different in that they are expected to go in with their ground fighting unit, hence the organization under MAGTF (Marine Air-Ground Task Force ) that includes deployable, mobile systems that can transition from sea to land and vice-versa and keep up with the support the troops on the ground need. Their mission focus is three folds, provide transport, CAS and other support to the Marines on the ground, provide limited top-cover to allow the CAS assets to deploy, and provide EA/EW in support of the commanders on the ground. With their STOVL they operate from the flattops that cannot support any other fixed winged jet fighter, and are expected to transition to land and have done so as recently as Afghanistan where their Harriers performed CAS from local strips (eventually matted), and were therefore the closest fast jet CAS assets to the troops on the grounds. This is getting increasingly relevant because the Marines with their flat tops, the V-22 and the F-35 can play a significantly higher role in the distributed lethality concept given the flexibility these platforms offer in terms of rapid agility to move within a large theater as they chase the area-denial forces the Chinese for example are building. The USN with its very large and very expensive carrier will have no option but to stand-off in case it feels pressure.

Other than the mission, role, there is a preparedness difference between the USMC and the USN or even the USAF. Marines, are required to by congressional mandate to maintain a higher level of readiness and 'go to war' capability, and cannot tier their readiness like their parent service, or the air-force and army. This is the main source of the issues cited by the article above. The USMC cannot take a readiness hit i.e. reduce readiness of its frontline units in the medium-long term interests of maintain force numbers, or modernization. Hence they are far more aggressive compared to their sister services when it comes to raiding non-deploying units to support their readiness and 'go to war' ability of their deploying units - even if that means adverse long term impact. In the past they have also had to raid training units which they have avoided this time.

Other than that, there isn't anything unique about their air-component, just that there is a difference in their mission, the requirements that emerge because of that and the depth of their focus (unlike the USAF which has a much broader focus and mission portfolio).

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Israel’s F-35 App And Its Implications
Israel has announced it will equip the F-35s it starts receiving this December with its own command, control, communications and computing (C4) system. The software, produced by Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), is an upgrade of an existing C4 system the Israeli air force flies on its F-15 and F-16s.

By adapting proprietary software to the F-35, Israel has leveraged the strike fighter’s open-architecture software design long touted by Lockheed Martin and the Joint Program Office (JPO). In effect, IAI has written the first “app” for the F-35 and, arguably, set a precedent for F-35 software independence.

“Imagine putting some new applications on your mobile phone,” says Benni Cohen, general manager of IAI’s Lahav Division. “It is not difficult. You can do it without touching the mission systems.”

His metaphor is a useful one. While the specifics are not exactly the same, think of the F-35’s software backbone as an “operating system” like Apple’s iOS and IAI’s C4 software, which sits atop it as an “application.” With the right application interface, developers can write new apps for the F-35, adding new functionality. “Yes, it is straightforward to tap into that [F-35 system] data and build upon that information to make new applications or add new functionality that benefits the overall fight,” John Clark agrees. Clark is director of mission systems and software at Lockheed Martin’s Skunk Works, which is working with the U.S. Air Force to craft a software protocol called Open Mission Systems (OMS), designed to enable faster technology insertion into existing and future platforms.

By standardizing the process for moving data around the F-35’s open architecture backbone, OMS will enable more rapid software development and mission systems integration. The protocol is still in development but is planned to be introduced on the F-35 “in the near future,” says Lockheed. By working independently, however, Israel may have already changed the game.

Israel will not add its C4 system using OMS but instead exploit the F-35’s existing openness. Whenever OMS does arrive, the fact that someone has already written an app for the aircraft now provides F-35 customers the option to add their own software, rather than waiting for upgrades planned by the U.S. Current plans for the JSF partner nations to develop a follow-on Block 4 software package are not expected to start until 2018 and will take six years.

“The folks at IAI doing that will certainly bring up [the issue] as more partner nations have the desire to do that,” says Clark. “But it is also a double-edged sword. They do not get the benefits of the rest of the ecosystem the F-35 has by deviating.”

Clark points out the F-35 program has a defined joint standards process intended to align partner nations with common enterprise support across the board, for software or hardware.

“Each country has the choice to make on how much value it puts on the enterprise support structure to maintain systems long-term,” he says. “If there is an interoperability issue with one, you see it get fixed and the fix applies to all, as opposed to an interoperability issue that may exist with an IAI one-off.” The crux of the issue is how many other JSF partners will look at what Israel is pioneering and desire similar one-off software programs. Their motivations could range from strategic/tactical independence to the timing of JSF program software releases and, possibly, commercial concerns. Ironically, the open architecture design of F-35 systems potentially abets such desires.

“The open architecture gives the Israeli air force the option to operate new systems and to address, let us say, special needs without needing to change versions of the airplane’s software,” says Cohen.

What are those “special needs”? “It gives the Israeli air force the capability for EW [electronic warfare] that is not part of the software for the normal F-35.” Cohen says.

The explanation aligns well with comments made to Aviation Week in 2012 by a senior Israeli air force official: “We think the stealth protection will be good for 5-10 years, but the aircraft will be in service for 30-40 years, so we need EW capabilities [on the F-35] that can be rapidly improved. The basic F-35 design is OK. We can make do with adding integrated software” (AW&ST Aug. 6, 2012, p. 28).

The ability to write its own apps is consistent with Israel’s general desire for a level of independence from U.S. control. This emphasis on flexibility is evidenced by its push for an exemption from the JPO to carry out maintenance work in-country, rather than at predetermined Lockheed Martin-established logistics centers in Europe and elsewhere.

“The idea is to give the [Israeli air force] the opportunity and capability to add new applications without the [backbone] system blocking that opportunity,” Cohen adds. “If you decide to add another system, another missile, another capability, you do not need to touch the mission system, you just add the new application.”

Simply adding a new application sounds appealing and efficient, but the JPO sounds a cautionary, and possibly conflicting, note on the precedent of JSF partners writing their own apps.

“By U.S. government policy, any integration of F-35 software must be done with U.S. government oversight and with the two prime contractors’ involvement. Having open architecture systems on the F-35 will make it easier to integrate future improvements onto the aircraft, but it does not equate to every country or industry having free rein to integrate their own add-on software and systems,” says the JPO.

Whether or not JSF partners add their own apps and functionality, the schedule for U.S. software updates once the program concludes its developmental phase could provide additional motivation to operate independently.

According to the JPO, hardware and software releases will alternate on a four-year schedule. A software release will be followed two years later by a hardware release and so on. But it is a schedule that simply does not align with software development and operational realities.

“This is the idea of our system,” Cohen says. “Instead of waiting two years or four years for another [software update] version, we can [update] it in 4-5 months.”

“The speed at which you could make [software] changes could certainly play a role in what is motivating partner nations,” Clark allows. “I do not know that it is the only factor, but I don’t have firm data to say one way or the other.”

The JPO does not acknowledge the timing of its software releases as problematic: “We are working with all partners and [Foreign Military Sales (FMS)] customers to ensure we all have timely updates to meet various sovereign requirements in the coming years.”

If Israel and other partners are sufficiently motivated to write their own apps, several questions arise, starting with interoperability. While commonality is foundational to the F-35 program, Skunk Works’ Clark says conflicts can be managed.

“The Israelis are very innovative,” he says. “I would expect they will work in their own way, but that does not preclude having interoperability with other standards. It just means that when interoperability is sought, they’ll have to ensure that whatever implementation they have built on top of the data provided via F-35 can operate with other pieces of software or hardware. . . . With our [OMS] effort we are trying to minimize the upfront systems engineering required to do those sorts of things.”

Interoperability will not be an issue, the JPO assures, again citing U.S. oversight of the two contractors involved (Lockheed and IAI). The office adds that it “applies strong systems engineering rigor and discipline to all software development efforts supporting both partners and FMS customers.”

The prospect of writing apps for the F-35 also raises the issue of cybersecurity. Commercial software development security experts repeatedly point out that the intersection of manufacturer and vendor software is perhaps the chief point of vulnerability for integrated systems.

Clark concedes that developing apps for the F-35 is analogous but stresses the program has sufficient security assurance in place. “We all see the news in the broader context of what is going on in the cyberenvironment,” he says. “If you look at what the banking industry has to deal with, those are the type of [security] technologies that we are exploring and evaluating to try to apply to our airborne avionics environment.”

The F-35’s open architecture design follows strict principles on the provision of data for third-party evaluation, according to Lockheed. There are high assurance guards within the system that can integrate cross-domain devices while keeping mission systems and outside apps separate.

IAI’s Cohen says the company is confident its C4 software will not have any influence on the security of the overall system. But what if a partner nation does not strictly adhere to correct security protocols, or makes a mistake?

“It depends on what application you are talking about and what data that system is trying to access. There is no one easy answer on that,” Clark admits.

Another question is whether F-35 users that create their own apps could share or potentially sell them? Would IAI consider that possibility?

“Yes,” Cohen answers. “We would need special permission to export [new applications]. We would need an export license.”

Surely, F-35 users must have U.S. government authorization to market, sell or discuss non-U.S. add-ons, software updates, non-U.S. weapons, or any other F-35 equipment the program office emphasizes. Interestingly, the JPO does not completely shut the door to partner-to-partner nation add-on/software sales, saying, “The U.S. government will review each situation individually as countries discuss their intent with us.”

Could the possibility of JSF user-to-user sales combined with the issues of software control, independence, updates and security see the F-35 program again mimic the Apple mobile device world? Could the U.S. set up its own F-35 “App Store”?

Lockheed has “brainstormed” the idea, Clark confirms. “It could provide for a greater ecosystem of software developers and tailorization of the system for unique needs, but we are still sorting out how we would manifest that in a way that would not just be a marketing pitch,” he says.
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How Hillary Clinton Became a Hawk
Hillary Clinton sat in the hideaway study off her ceremonial office in the State Department, sipping tea and taking stock of her first year on the job. The study was more like a den — cozy and wood-paneled, lined with bookshelves that displayed mementos from Clinton’s three decades in the public eye: a statue of her heroine, Eleanor Roosevelt; a baseball signed by the Chicago Cubs star Ernie Banks; a carved wooden figure of a pregnant African woman. The intimate setting lent itself to a less-formal interview than the usual locale, her imposing outer office, with its marble fireplace, heavy drapes, crystal chandelier and ornate wall sconces. On the morning of Feb. 26, 2010, however, Clinton was talking about something more sensitive than mere foreign affairs: her relationship with Barack Obama. To say she chose her words carefully doesn’t do justice to the delicacy of the exercise. She was like a bomb-squad technician, deciding which color wire to snip without blowing up her relationship with the White House.

“We’ve developed, I think, a very good rapport, really positive back-and-forth about everything you can imagine,” Clinton said about the man she described during the 2008 campaign as naïve, irresponsible and hopelessly unprepared to be president. “And we’ve had some interesting and even unusual experiences along the way.”

She leaned forward as she spoke, gesturing with her hands and laughing easily. In talking with reporters, Clinton displays more warmth than Obama does, though there’s less of an expectation that she might say something revealing.

Clinton singled out, as she often would, the United Nations climate-change meeting in Copenhagen the previous December, where she and Obama worked together to save the meeting from collapse. She brought up the Middle East peace proc­ess, a signature project of the president’s, which she had been tasked with reviving. But she was understandably wary of talking about areas in which she and Obama split — namely, on bedrock issues of war and peace, where Clinton’s more activist philosophy had already collided in unpredictable ways with her boss’s instincts toward restraint. She had backed Gen. Stanley McChrystal’s recommendation to send 40,000 more troops to Afghanistan, before endorsing a fallback proposal of 30,000 (Obama went along with that, though he stipulated that the soldiers would begin to pull out again in July 2011, which she viewed as problematic). She supported the Pentagon’s plan to leave behind a residual force of 10,000 to 20,000 American troops in Iraq (Obama balked at this, largely because of his inability to win legal protections from the Iraqis, a failure that was to haunt him when the Islamic State overran much of the country). And she pressed for the United States to funnel arms to the rebels in Syria’s civil war (an idea Obama initially rebuffed before later, halfheartedly, coming around to it).

That fundamental tension between Clinton and the president would continue to be a defining feature of her four-year tenure as secretary of state. In the administration’s first high-level meeting on Russia in February 2009, aides to Obama proposed that the United States make some symbolic concessions to Russia as a gesture of its good will in resetting the relationship. Clinton, the last to speak, brusquely rejected the idea, saying, “I’m not giving up anything for nothing.” Her hardheadedness made an impression on Robert Gates, the defense secretary and George W. Bush holdover who was wary of a changed Russia. He decided there and then that she was someone he could do business with.

“I thought, This is a tough lady,” he told me.

A few months after my interview in her office, another split emerged when Obama picked up a secure phone for a weekend conference call with Clinton, Gates and a handful of other advisers. It was July 2010, four months after the North Korean military torpedoed a South Korean Navy corvette, sinking it and killing 46 sailors. Now, after weeks of fierce debate between the Pentagon and the State Department, the United States was gearing up to respond to this brazen provocation. The tentative plan — developed by Clinton’s deputy at State, James Steinberg — was to dispatch the aircraft carrier George Washington into coastal waters to the east of North Korea as an unusual show of force.

But Adm. Robert Willard, then the Pacific commander, wanted to send the carrier on a more aggressive course, into the Yellow Sea, between North Korea and China. The Chinese foreign ministry had warned the United States against the move, which for Willard was all the more reason to press forward. He pushed the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen, who in turn pushed his boss, the defense secretary, to reroute the George Washington. Gates agreed, but he needed the commander in chief to sign off on a decision that could have political as well as military repercussions.

Gates laid out the case for diverting the George Washington to the Yellow Sea: that the United States should not look as if it was yielding to China. Clinton strongly seconded it. “We’ve got to run it up the gut!” she had said to her aides a few days earlier. (The Vince Lombardi imitation drew giggles from her staff, who, even 18 months into her tenure, still marveled at her pugnacity.)

Obama, though, was not persuaded. The George Washington was already underway; changing its course was not a decision to make on the fly.

“I don’t call audibles with aircraft carriers,” he said — unwittingly one-upping Clinton on her football metaphor.

It wasn’t the last debate in which she would side with Gates. The two quickly discovered that they shared a Midwestern upbringing, a taste for a stiff drink after a long day of work and a deep-seated skepticism about the intentions of America’s foes. Bruce Riedel, a former intelligence analyst who conducted Obama’s initial review on the Afghanistan war, says: “I think one of the surprises for Gates and the military was, here they come in expecting a very left-of-center administration, and they discover that they have a secretary of state who’s a little bit right of them on these issues — a little more eager than they are, to a certain extent. Particularly on Afghanistan, where I think Gates knew more had to be done, knew more troops needed to be sent in, but had a lot of doubts about whether it would work.”

As Hillary Clinton makes another run for president, it can be tempting to view her hard-edged rhetoric about the world less as deeply felt core principle than as calculated political maneuver. But Clinton’s foreign-policy instincts are bred in the bone — grounded in cold realism about human nature and what one aide calls “a textbook view of American exceptionalism.” It set her apart from her rival-turned-boss, Barack Obama, who avoided military entanglements and tried to reconcile Americans to a world in which the United States was no longer the undisputed hegemon. And it will likely set her apart from the Republican candidate she meets in the general election. For all their bluster about bombing the Islamic State into oblivion, neither Donald J. Trump nor Senator Ted Cruz of Texas have demonstrated anywhere near the appetite for military engagement abroad that Clinton has.

“Hillary is very much a member of the traditional American foreign-policy establishment,” says Vali Nasr, a foreign-policy strategist who advised her on Pakistan and Afghanistan at the State Department. “She believes, like presidents going back to the Reagan or Kennedy years, in the importance of the military — in solving terrorism, in asserting American influence. The shift with Obama is that he went from reliance on the military to the intelligence agencies. Their position was, ‘All you need to deal with terrorism is N.S.A. and C.I.A., drones and special ops.’ So the C.I.A. gave Obama an angle, if you will, to be simultaneously hawkish and shun using the military.”

Unlike other recent presidents — Obama, George W. Bush or her husband, Bill Clinton — Hillary Clinton would assume the office with a long record on national security. There are many ways to examine that record, but one of the most revealing is to explore her decades-long cultivation of the military — not just civilian leaders like Gates, but also its high-ranking commanders, the men with the medals. Her affinity for the armed forces is rooted in a lifelong belief that the calculated use of military power is vital to defending national interests, that American intervention does more good than harm and that the writ of the United States properly reaches, as Bush once put it, into “any dark corner of the world.” Unexpectedly, in the bombastic, testosterone-fueled presidential election of 2016, Hillary Clinton is the last true hawk left in the race.

For those who know Clinton’s biography, her embrace of the military should come as no surprise. She grew up in the buoyant aftermath of World War II, the daughter of a Navy petty officer who trained young sailors before they shipped out to the Pacific. Her father, Hugh Rodham, was a staunch Republican and an anticommunist, and she channeled his views. She talks often about her girlhood dream of becoming an astronaut, citing the rejection letter she got from NASA as the first time she encountered gender discrimination. Her real motive for volunteering, she has written, may have been because her father fretted that “America was lagging behind Russia.”

Political conversion came later, after Vietnam and the ’60s swept over Wellesley College, where she spoke out against the establishment at her graduation. But even in the tumultuous year of 1968, she was still making her transition from Republican to Democrat, managing to go to the conventions of both parties. As a Republican intern in Washington that summer, she questioned a Wisconsin congressman, Melvin Laird, about the wisdom of Lyndon B. Johnson’s escalating involvement in Southeast Asia.

It was after law school that she had her most curious encounter with the military. In 1975, the year she married Bill Clinton, she stopped in at a Marine recruiting office in Arkansas to inquire about joining the active forces or reserves. She was a lawyer, she explained; maybe there was some way she could serve. The recruiter, she recalled two decades later, was a young man of about 21, in prime physical condition. Clinton was then 27, freshly transplanted from Washington, teaching law at the University of Arkansas in Fayetteville and wearing Coke-bottle eyeglasses. “You’re too old, you can’t see and you’re a woman,” he told her. “Maybe the dogs will take you,” he added, in what she said was a pejorative reference to the Army.

“It was not a very encouraging conversation,” Clinton said at a lunch for military women on Capitol Hill in 1994. “I decided, Maybe I’ll look for another way to serve my country.”
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Some reporters have cast doubt on the veracity of this story, which she repeated in the fall of 2015 over breakfast with voters in New Hampshire: certainly, there’s no concrete evidence that it happened, and Bill gave a different account of it in 2008, substituting the Army for the Marines. Why would a professionally minded Yale Law graduate, on the cusp of marriage, suddenly want to put on a uniform? It’s impossible to decipher her possible motives, but Ann Henry, an old friend who taught at the university after Clinton moved to Little Rock, offers a theory: During those days, she recalls, female faculty members, as an exercise, would test the boundaries of careers that appeared closed to women. “I don’t think it’s made up,” she says. “It was consistent with something she would have done.”

Clinton’s next sustained exposure to the military did not come until she was first lady, almost two decades later. Living in the White House is, in many ways, like living in a military compound. A Marine stands guard in front of the West Wing when the president is in the Oval Office. The Mili­tary Office operates the medical center and the telecommunications system. The Navy runs the cafeteria, the Marines transport the president by helicopter, the Air Force by plane. Camp David is a naval facility. The daily contact with men and women in uniform, Clinton’s friends say, deepened her feelings for them.

In March 1996, the first lady visited American troops stationed in Bosnia. The trip became notorious years later when she claimed, during the 2008 campaign, to have dodged sniper fire after her C-17 military plane landed at an American base in Tuzla. (Chris Hill, a diplomat who was onboard that day and later served as ambassador to Iraq under Clinton, didn’t remember snipers at all, and indeed recalled children handing her bouquets of spring flowers.) But there was no faking the good vibes during her tour of the mess and rec halls. With her teenage daughter at her side, she bantered and joked with the young servicemen and women — an experience, she wrote, that “left lasting impressions on Chelsea and me.”

When Clinton was elected to the Senate, she had strong political reasons to care about the mili­tary. The Pentagon was in the midst of a long, politically charged process of closing military bases; New York State had already been a victim, when Plattsburgh Air Force Base was closed in 1995, a loss of 352 civilian jobs for that hard-luck North Country town. New York’s delegation was determined to protect its remaining bases, especially Fort Drum, home of the Army’s 10th Mountain Division, which sprawls over a hundred thousand acres in rural Jefferson County. In October 2001, a month after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Clinton traveled to Fort Drum at the invitation of Gen. Buster Hagenbeck, who had just been named the division’s commander and would be deployed to Afghanistan a month later. Like many of the officers I spoke with, he had preconceptions of Clinton from her years as first lady; the woman who showed up at his office around happy hour that afternoon did not fulfill them.

“She sat down,” he recalls, “took her shoes off, put her feet up on the coffee table and said, ‘General, do you know where a gal can get a cold beer around here?’ ”

It was the start of a dialogue that stretched over two wars. In the spring of 2002, Hagenbeck led Operation Anaconda, a 16-day assault on Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters in the Shah-i-Kot Valley that was the largest combat engagement of the war to date. When the general came back to Washington to brief the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Clinton took him out to dinner on Capitol Hill for her own briefing. They also spoke about the Bush administration’s preparations for war in Iraq, something which Hagenbeck was following anxiously. The general, it turned out, was more of a dove than the senator. He warned her about the risks of an invasion, which was then being war-gamed inside the Pentagon. It would be like “kicking over a bee’s nest,” he said.

Hagenbeck excused Clinton’s vote in 2002 to authorize military action in Iraq. “She made a considered call,” he says. And “she was chagrined, much after the fact.” For him, what mattered more than Clinton’s voting record was her unstinting public support of the military, whether in protecting Fort Drum or backing him during a difficult first year in Afghanistan.

Clinton’s education in military affairs began in earnest in 2002, after the Democratic Party’s crushing defeat in midterm elections moved her up several rungs in Senate seniority. The party’s congressional leaders offered her a seat on either the Senate Foreign Relations Committee or the Senate Armed Services Committee. She chose Armed Services, spurning a long tradition of New York senators, like Daniel Patrick Moynihan and Jacob Javits, who coveted the prestige of Foreign Relations. Armed Services deals with more earthbound issues, like benefits for veterans, and it had long been the preserve of Republican hawks like John McCain. But after 9/11, Clinton saw Armed Services as better preparation for her future. For a politician looking to hone hard-power credentials — a woman who aspired to be commander in chief — it was the perfect training ground. She dug in like a grunt at boot camp.

Hillary Clinton is the last true hawk left in the race.

Andrew Shapiro, then Senator Clinton’s foreign-policy adviser, called upon 10 experts — including Bill Perry, who was defense secretary under her husband, and Ashton Carter, who would eventually become President Obama’s fourth defense secretary — to tutor her on everything from grand strategy to defense procurement. She met quietly with Andrew Marshall, an octogenarian strategist at the Pentagon who labored for decades in the blandly named Office of Net Assessment, earning the nickname Yoda for his Delphic insights. She went to every committee meeting, no matter how mundane. Aides recall her on C-SPAN3, sitting alone in the chamber, patiently questioning a lieutenant colonel. She visited the troops in Afghanistan on Thanksgiving Day in 2003 and spoke at every significant military installation in New York State. By then — 30 years after she recalled being rejected by a Marine recruiter in Arkansas — Hillary Clinton had become a military wonk.

Jack Keane is one of the intellectual architects of the Iraq surge; he is also perhaps the greatest single influence on the way Hillary Clinton thinks about military issues. A bear of a man with a jowly, careworn face and Brylcreem-slicked hair, Keane exudes the supreme self-confidence you would expect of a retired four-star general. He speaks with a trace of a New York accent that gives his pronouncements a rat-a-tat urgency. He is also a well-compensated member of the military-industrial complex, sitting on the board of General Dynamics and serving as a strategic adviser to Academi, the private-security contractor once known as Blackwater. And he is the chairman of an aptly named think tank, the Institute for the Study of War. Though he is one of a parade of cable-TV generals, Keane is the resident hawk on Fox News, where he appears regularly to call for the United States to use greater military force in Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan. He doesn’t shrink from putting boots on the ground and has little use for civilian leaders, like Obama, who do.

Keane first got to know Clinton in the fall of 2001, when she was a freshman senator and he was the Army’s second in command, with a distinguished combat and command record in Vietnam, Somalia, Haiti, Bosnia and Kosovo. He had expected her to be intelligent, hard-working and politically astute, but he was not prepared for the respect she showed for the Army as an institution, or her sympathy for the sacrifices made by soldiers and their families. Keane was confident he could smell a phony politician a mile away, and he didn’t get that whiff from her.

“I read people; that’s one of my strengths,” he told me. “It’s not that I can’t be fooled, but I’m not fooled often.”

Clinton took an instant liking to Keane, too. “She loves that Irish gruff thing,” says one of her Senate aides, Kris Balderston, who was in the room that day. When Keane got up after 45 minutes to leave for a meeting back at the Pentagon with a Polish general, she protested that she wasn’t finished yet and asked for another appointment. “I said, ‘O.K., but it took me three months to get this one,’ ” Keane told her dryly.

Clinton exploded into a raucous laugh. “I’ll take care of that problem,” she promised.

She was true to her word: The two would meet many times over the next decade, discussing the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, the Iranian nu­clear threat and other flash points in the Middle East. Sometimes he dropped by her Senate office; other times they met for dinner or drinks. He escorted her on her first visit to Fort Drum and set up her first trip to Iraq.

They generally agreed to forgo talk of politics, but at a meeting in Clinton’s Senate office in January 2007, Keane tried to sell her on the logic of a troop surge in Iraq. The previous month, he had met with President Bush in the Oval Office to recommend that the United States deploy five to eight Army and Marine brigades to wage an urban counterinsurgency campaign; only that, he argued, would stabilize a country being ripped apart by sectarian strife. His presentation angered some of Keane’s fellow generals, who feared that such a strategy would deepen Iraq’s dependency and prolong America’s involvement. But it had a big impact on the commander in chief, who soon ordered more than 20,000 additional troops to Iraq.

Clinton was another story. “I’m convinced it’s not going to work, Jack,” she told him. She predicted that the American soldiers patrolling in Iraqi cities and towns would be “blown up” by Sunni militias or Al Qaeda fighters. “She thought we would fail,” Keane recalls, “and it was going to cause increased casualties.”

Politics, of course, was also on her mind. Barack Obama was laying the groundwork for his candidacy in mid-January with a campaign that would emphasize his opposition to the Iraq War and her vote in favor of it — a vote that still shadows her in this year’s Democratic primaries. Obama was setting off on a fund-raising drive that would net $25 million in three months, sending tremors through Clinton’s political camp and establishing him as a formidable rival. Although she disagreed with Keane about Iraq, Clinton asked him to become a formal adviser. “As much as I respect you,” he replied, “I can’t do that.” Keane’s wife had health problems that had moved up his retirement from the Army, and he did not, as a policy, endorse candidates. Sometime during 2008 — he doesn’t remember exactly when — Clinton told him she had erred in doubting the wisdom of the surge. “She said, ‘You were right, this really did work,’ ” Keane recalls. “On issues of national security,” he says, “I thought she was always intellectually honest with me.”

He and Clinton continued to talk, even after Obama was elected and she became secretary of state. More often than not, they found themselves in sync. Keane, like Clinton, favored more robust intervention in Syria than Obama did. In April 2015, the week before she announced her candidacy, Clinton asked him for a briefing on military options for dealing with the fighters of the Islamic State. Bringing along three young female analysts from the Institute for the Study of War, Keane gave her a 2-hour-20-minute presentation. Among other steps, he advocated imposing a no-fly zone over parts of Syria that would neutralize the air power of the Syrian president, Bashar al-Assad, with a goal of forcing him into a political settlement with opposition groups. Six months later, Clinton publicly adopted this position, further distancing herself from Obama.

“I’m convinced this president, no matter what the circumstances, will never put any boots on the ground to do anything, even when it’s compelling,” Keane told me. He was sitting in the library at his home in McLean, Va., which is lined with books on military history and strategy. His critique of Obama was hardly new or original, but much of it mirrors the thinking of Clinton and her policy advisers. “One of the problems the president has, which weakens his diplomatic efforts, is that leaders don’t believe he would use military power. That’s an issue that would separate the president from Hillary Clinton rather dramatically. She would look at military force as another realistic option, but only where there is no other option.”

Befriending Keane wasn’t just about cultivating a single adviser. It gave Clinton instant entree to his informal network of active-duty and retired generals. The most interesting by far was David Petraeus, a cerebral commander who shared Clinton’s jet-fueled ambition and whose life stories would mix heady success with humbling setbacks. Both would be accused of mishandling classified information — Clinton because of her use of a private server and email address to conduct sensitive government business, a decision that erupted into a political scandal; Petraeus because he had given a diary containing classified information to his biographer and mistress (he was eventually charged with a misdemeanor for mishandling classified information).

On Clinton’s first trip to Iraq in November 2003, Petraeus, then a two-star general commanding the 101st Airborne Division, flew from his field headquarters in Mosul to the relative safety of Kirkuk to brief her congressional delegation. “She was full of questions,” he recalls. “It was the kind of gesture that means a lot to a battlefield commander.” On subsequent trips, as he rose in rank, Petraeus walked her through his plans to train and equip Iraqi Army troops, a forerunner of the counterinsurgency strategy in Afghanistan. It worked to their mutual benefit: Petraeus was building ties to a prominent Democratic voice in the Senate; Clinton was burnishing her image as a friend of the troops. “She did it the old-fashioned way,” he says. “She did it by pursuing relationships.” When Petraeus was sent back to Iraq as the top commander in early 2007, he gave every member of the Senate Armed Services Committee a copy of the U.S. Army/Marine Corps Counterinsurgency Field Manual, which he edited during a tour at Fort Leavenworth. Clinton read hers from cover to cover.

Although Clinton’s reservations about the surge were valid — the stability that the additional troops brought to Iraq didn’t last — her opposition to it, like her vote for the war, came back to haunt her. This time, it was her ally Bob Gates who summoned the ghost. In his memoirs, Gates wrote that she confessed to him and the president that her position had been politically motivated, because she was then facing Obama in the Iowa caucuses. (Obama, he wrote, “vaguely” conceded that he, too, had opposed it for political reasons.) Clinton pushed back, telling Diane Sawyer of ABC News that Gates “perhaps either missed the context or the meaning, because I did oppose the surge.” Her opposition, she told Sawyer, was driven by the fact that at that time, people were not going to accept any escalation of the war. “This is not politics in electoral, political terms,” Clinton said. “This is politics in the sense of the American public has to support commitments like this.”

‘They knew that if they walked into the Situation Room and they had her, it made a huge difference.’

The next time she found herself in a debate over sending troops into harm’s way, she voiced no such reservations.

“We need maps,” Hillary Clinton told her aides.

It was early October 2009, and she had just returned from a meeting in the Situation Room. Obama’s war cabinet was debating how many additional troops to send to Afghanistan, where the United States, preoccupied by Iraq, had allowed the Taliban to regroup. The Pentagon, she reported, had used impressive, color-coded maps to show its plans to deploy troops around the country. The attention to detail made Gates and his commanders look crisp and well prepared; the State Department, which was pushing a “civilian surge” to accompany the troops, looked wan by comparison. At the next meeting, on Oct. 14, the team from State unfurled its own maps to show the deployment of an army of aid workers, diplomats, legal experts and crop specialists who were supposed to follow the soldiers into Afghanistan.

Clinton’s fixation with maps was typical of her mind-set in the first great war-and-peace debate of the Obama presidency. She wanted to be taken seriously, even if her department was less central than the Pentagon. One way to do that was by promoting the civilian surge, the pet project of her friend and special envoy to the region, Richard Holbrooke. “She was determined that her briefing books would be just as thick and just as meticulous as those of the Pentagon,” a senior adviser recalls. She also didn’t hesitate to get into the Pentagon’s business, asking detailed questions about the training of Afghan troops and wading into the weeds of military planning.

She resolved not to miss out on anything — a determination that may have been rooted in a deeper insecurity about her role in what was to become the most White House-centric administration of the modern era. On the morning of June 8, 2009, she emailed two aides to say: “I heard on the radio that there is a Cabinet mtg this am. Is there? Can I go? If not, who are we sending?” On Feb. 10, 2010, she dialed the White House from her home, but couldn’t get past the switchboard operator, who didn’t believe she was really Hillary Clinton. Asked to provide her office number to prove her identity, she said she didn’t know it. Finally, Clinton hung up in frustration and placed the call again through the State Department Operations Center — “like a proper and properly dependent secretary of state,” as she later wrote to one aide in a mock-chastened tone. “No independent dialing allowed.”

The Afghan troop debate, a three-month drama of dueling egos, leaked documents and endless deliberations, is typically framed as a test of wills between the Pentagon’s wily military commanders and an inexperienced young president, with Joe Biden playing the role of devil’s advocate for Obama. While that portrait is accurate, it neglects the role of Clinton. By siding with Gates and the generals, she gave political ballast to their proposals and provided a bullish counterpoint to Biden’s skepticism. Her role should not be overstated: She did not turn the debate, nor did she bring to it any distinctive point of view. But her unstinting support of General McChrystal’s maximalist recommendation made it harder for Obama to choose a lesser option. (McChrystal was later fired by Obama after his aides made derogatory remarks about almost every member of his war cabinet to Rolling Stone magazine; she was the exception. “Hillary had Stan’s back,” one of his aides told the reporter, Michael Hastings.)

“Hillary was adamant in her support for what Stan asked for,” Gates says. “She made clear that she was ready to support his request for the full 40,000 troops. She then made clear that she was only willing to go with the 30,000 number because I proposed it. She was, in a way, tougher on the numbers in the surge than I was.” Gates believed that if he could align Clinton; the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen; the commander of Central Command, David Petraeus; and himself behind a common position, it would be hard for Obama to say no. “How could you ignore these Four Horsemen of national security?” says Geoff Morrell, who served as the Pentagon press secretary at the time.

Just as Clinton benefited from her alliance with the military commanders, she gave them political cover. “Here’s the dirty little secret,” says Tom Nides, her former deputy secretary of state for management and resources. “They all knew they wanted her on their side. They knew that if they walked into the Situation Room and they had her, it made a huge difference in the dynamics. When she opened her mouth, she could change the momentum in the room.”

David Axelrod recalls one meeting where Clinton “kicked the thing off and pretty much articulated their opinion; I’m sure that’s one that they remember. There’s no doubt that she wanted to give them every troop that McChrystal was asking for.” Still, Clinton didn’t prevail on every argument. After agreeing to send the troops, Obama added a condition of his own: that the soldiers be deployed as quickly as possible and pulled out again, starting in the summer of 2011 — a deadline that proved more fateful in the long run than a difference of 10,000 troops. Clinton opposed setting a public deadline for withdrawal, arguing that it would tip America’s hand to the Taliban and encourage them to wait out the United States — which, in fact, was exactly what happened.

In the final days of the debate, Clinton also found herself at odds with her own ambassador in Kabul, Karl Eikenberry. He, too, held different views than she did on the wisdom of a surge, which he put into writing. On Nov. 6, 2009, in a long cable addressed to Clinton — and later leaked to The New York Times — he made a trenchant, convincing case for why the McChrystal proposal, which she endorsed two weeks earlier in a meeting with Obama, would saddle the United States with “vastly increased costs and an indefinite, large-scale military role in Afghanistan.”

Much of Eikenberry’s analysis proved prescient, particularly his warnings about the threadbare American partnership with the Afghan president, Hamid Karzai. It carried an extra sting because he was a retired three-star Army general who was the commander in Afghanistan from 2005 to 2007. Clinton, who had not asked for the cable, was furious, fearing it could upset a debate in which she and the Pentagon were about to prevail.

What the cable made clear was the degree to which the Afghanistan debate was dominated by military considerations. While Clinton did raise the need to deal with Afghanistan’s neighbor, Pakistan, her reflexive support of Gates, Petraeus and McChrystal meant she was not a powerful voice for diplomatic alternatives. “She contributed to the overmilitarizing of the analysis of the problem,” says Sarah Chayes, who was an adviser to McChrystal and later to the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Mike Mullen.

In October 2015, the persistent violence in Afghanistan and the legacy of Karzai’s misrule forced Obama to reverse his plan to withdraw the last American soldiers by the end of his presi­dency. A few thousand troops will stay there indefinitely. And for all of Clinton’s talk about a civilian surge, it never really materialized.

For Clinton, the Afghanistan episode laid bare a vexed relationship between her and Eikenberry, one of the few generals with whom she didn’t hit it off. A soldier-scholar with graduate degrees from Harvard and Stanford, Eikenberry was brilliant but had a reputation among his colleagues for being imperious. Clinton had a similarly chilly relationship with Douglas Lute, another Army lieutenant general with a graduate degree from Harvard, who also fought with Holbrooke. “She likes the nail-eaters — McChrystal, Petraeus, Keane,” one of her aides observes. “Real military guys, not these retired three-stars who go into civilian jobs.”

“There’s no doubt that Hillary Clinton’s more muscular brand of American foreign policy is better matched to 2016 than it was to 2008,” said Jake Sullivan, her top policy adviser at the State Department, who plays the same role in her campaign.

‘She wanted to give them every troop that McChrystal was asking for.’

It was De­cem­ber 2015, 53 days before the Iowa caucuses, and Sullivan was sitting down with me in Clinton’s sprawling Brooklyn headquarters to explain how she was shaping her message for a campaign suddenly dominated by concerns about national security. Clinton’s strategy, he said, was twofold: Explain to voters that she had a clear plan for confronting the threat posed by Islamic terrorism, and expose her Republican opponents as utterly lacking in experience or credibility on national security.

There were good reasons for Clinton to let her inner hawk fly. After the attacks in Paris and San Bernardino, Calif., Americans’ concern about a major attack on the nation spiked. A CNN/ORC poll taken after Paris showed that a majority, 53 percent, favored sending ground troops to Iraq or Syria, a remarkable shift from the war-weary sentiment that prevailed during most of Obama’s presidency. The Republican candidates were reaching for apocalyptic metaphors to demonstrate their resolve. Ted Cruz threatened to carpet-bomb the Islamic State to test whether desert sand can glow; Donald Trump called for the United States to ban all Muslims from entering the country “until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses.”

Yet such spikes in the public appetite for mili­tary action tend to be transitory. Three weeks later, the same poll showed an even split, at 49 percent, on whether to deploy troops. Neither Trump nor Cruz favors major new deployments of American soldiers to Iraq and Syria (nor, for that matter, does Clinton). If anything, both are more skeptical than Clinton about intervention and more circumspect than she about maintaining the nation’s post-World War II military commitments. Trump loudly proclaims his opposition to the Iraq War. He wants the United States to spend less to underwrite NATO and has talked about withdrawing the American security umbrella from Asia, even if that means Japan and South Korea would acquire nuclear weapons to defend themselves. Cruz, unlike Clinton, opposed aiding the Syrian rebels in 2014. He once supported Pentagon budget constraints advocated by his isolationist colleague, Senator Rand Paul of Kentucky. Thus might the gen­eral election present voters with an unfamiliar choice: a Democratic hawk versus a Republican reluctant warrior.

To thwart the progressive insurgency of Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont, Clinton carefully calibrated her message during the Democratic primaries to align herself closely with Barack Obama and his racially diverse coalition. But as she pivots to the general election, that balancing act with Obama will become trickier. “There’s going to be a huge amount of interest in the press to score-keep,” Sullivan says. “It just so easily can become a sport that distracts from her ability to make an affirmative case.”

In showing her stripes as a prospective commander in chief, Clinton will no doubt draw heavily upon her State Department experience — filtering the lessons she learned in Libya, Syria and Iraq into the sinewy worldview she has held since childhood. Last fall, in a series of policy speeches, Clinton began limning distinctions with the president on national security. She said the United States should consider sending more special-operations troops to Iraq than Obama had committed, to help the Iraqis and Kurds fight the Islamic State. She came out in favor of a partial no-fly zone over Syria. And she described the threat posed by ISIS to Americans in starker terms than he did. As is often the case with Clinton and Obama, the differences were less about direction than degree. She wasn’t calling for ground troops in the Middle East, any more than he was. Clinton insisted her plan was not a break with his, merely an “intensification and acceleration” of it.

It’s an open question how well Clinton’s hawkish instincts match the country’s mood. Americans are weary of war and remain suspicious of foreign entanglements. And yet, after the retrenchment of the Obama years, there is polling evidence that they are equally dissatisfied with a portrait of their country as a spent force, managing its decline amid a world of rising powers like China, resurgent empires like Vladimir Putin’s Russia and lethal new forces like the Islamic State. If Obama’s minimalist approach was a necessary reaction to the maximalist style of his predecessor, then perhaps what Americans yearn for is something in between — the kind of steel-belted pragmatism that Clinton has spent a lifetime honing.

“The president has made some tough decisions,” says Leon Panetta, who served as Obama’s defense secretary after Bob Gates, and as director of the C.I.A. before David Petraeus. “But it’s been a mixed record, and the concern is, the president defining what America’s role in the world is in the 21st century hasn’t happened.

“Hopefully, he’ll do it,” he added, acknowledging the time Obama has left. “Certainly, she would.”
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nits wrote:Gurus - Novice question... i tried searching online but not of much help. Why US maintain 4 Forces - Air, Army, Navy and Marines... How Marines is different from Air \ Navy and what different they do that there counterpart does not ?
1. Tradition. the US Air Force used to be called the US Army Air Force. .......after ww2 they changed the name to US Air Force. Number one job is air and space supremacy, strategic and tactical strike, air and space reconn, and,,,*and* support the troops. sometimes it happens and sometimes it doesn't.

2. the US Army still maintains oodles of helicopters in support of troops number one job. they likey all types of missile development too. :)

3. the Navy has been involved in aviation since the beginning. NavAir number one job is defense of the fleet, then expeditionary strike/attack of opponents in faraway places where there are no friendly airfields to be found. third and finally, support the Marines. sometimes it happens sometimes it may not happen. there is a huge brown water gator navy as well. and submarine defense.

4. number one job of Marine Air is to support the troops then, secondly defense of the fleet. defense of the fleet may happen or not. the Marines were not pleased with the f-18 because they then had to help defend the fleet. it's no secret that they will cut spending money on f-18's in order to make sure the troops are supported by other a/c. harriers and copters. finally they are getting a plane designed for them.....the f-35b. they are pleased like a pig in sh*t. and will make do no matter what, like they did with osprey. they weren't happy having to buy several squadrons of f-35c's cuz they know what's coming......defense of the fleet...... :(
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US Army destroys drone with interceptor missile built for Israel’s Iron Dome
https://www.rt.com/usa/340545-usa-army- ... tor-drone/
A missile used in Israel’s Iron Dome defense program was successfully used by the US Army to shoot down a drone – marking the first time an interceptor built for a foreign nation has been successfully deployed on America’s new missile launcher.The test was conducted on April 14 at the latest launch platform of the White Sands Missile Range in New Mexico. A Tamir missile – currently part of the Iron Dome system that can shoot down rockets – was fired at an unmanned aircraft vehicle (UAV), which was destroyed upon impact, the US Army announced on Wednesday.“This is the first time that a trial of the Iron Dome interceptor against a drone target was held on US soil,” Rafael Advanced Defense Systems, an Israeli defense company which helped develop the interceptor, said to the Jerusalem Post.The Tamir missile was fired from the Army’s brand new Multi-Mission Launcher (MML), which was created to fire numerous kinds of interceptor missiles depending on what the situation calls for. The Tamir missile itself was originally designed to counter rockets, artillery, and mortars.At the same time, the MML is part of a larger system called the Indirect Fire Protection Capability Increment 2-Intercept. This system was designed by the Army as a “mobile ground-based weapon system” that could take out UAVs, cruise missiles, rockets, artillery, and mortars.Mounted onto a medium-size tactical vehicle, the MML rotates 360 degrees and can elevate from zero to 90 degrees, the Army said. Each of the MML’s 15 tubes can hold either a large interceptor missile or multiple smaller ones.
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^^ The US army engineers that designed the launcher must be having fun in their apparent attempt to set some sort of record when it comes to the type of missiles they have launched through this. First was the raytheon modified active RF aim 9x derivative., then a stinger, followed by the hellfire, then an aim 9x block 2, followed by the MH2K and now finally the Tamir. The sort of shot doctrine and price per round (sub 20000$) THEY ARE AIMING for the C-RAM mission makes the Tamir an unlikely long term candidate. This isn't a fixed system guarding the border of Israel but a full blown expeditionary system, so an interceptor a tube for the C-RAM would require a huge numbers of launchers for defended footprint. They will tier this thing with the MH2K and the 9x or larger MH2K. The current MML fits 60 MH2K's while it would only at fit 15 Tamir's. The Iron dome has to defend larger population centers, while this system wouldn't have such a large defended area.
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