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Postby koti » 15 Mar 2011 18:00

And possibly MMRCA.....

One shot, two birds.

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Postby arun » 24 Mar 2011 07:18

X Posted from the Indian naval Discussion thread.



The complete CAG Report on the “Indigenous Construction of Indian Naval Warships” citied by the articles is available here:

Report no. 32- Indigenous Construction of Indian Naval Warships

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Postby suryag » 24 Mar 2011 07:27

Indian Air Force Set To Procure Advanced Telemetry System

Heights of import mania, this is a low hanging fruit for the Indian industry

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Postby soutikghosh » 24 Mar 2011 23:36

India to acquire Spike ATGM in mega deal

LINK: http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/ ... 0&fid=1725

* Deal includes 321 Spike launchers, 8,356 missiles, and 15 training simulators, and peripheral equipment for the Indian Army and is worth $ 1 billion

* India's Bharat Dynamics Ltd to get ToT

* Indian Army will receive various configurations of the Spike

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Postby Rakesh » 24 Mar 2011 23:39

soutikghosh: I had to edit the link you posted, as it was not working.

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Postby RoyG » 25 Mar 2011 03:09

So no Javelin then? Wonder what the ToT includes. What is the status of Nag?

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Postby neeraj » 25 Mar 2011 03:12

soutikghosh wrote:India to acquire Spike ATGM in mega deal

LINK: http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/ ... 0&fid=1725

* Deal includes 321 Spike launchers, 8,356 missiles, and 15 training simulators, and peripheral equipment for the Indian Army and is worth $ 1 billion

* India's Bharat Dynamics Ltd to get ToT

* Indian Army will receive various configurations of the Spike


Where does it say TOT is included??

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Postby NRao » 25 Mar 2011 07:22

Interesting. India would be the 2nd largest, after Israel, for Spike !!!! India is buying the MR version.

Also, I just do not see the comparison with the Nag.

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Postby vic » 25 Mar 2011 07:54

neeraj wrote:
soutikghosh wrote:India to acquire Spike ATGM in mega deal

LINK: http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/ ... 0&fid=1725

* Deal includes 321 Spike launchers, 8,356 missiles, and 15 training simulators, and peripheral equipment for the Indian Army and is worth $ 1 billion

* India's Bharat Dynamics Ltd to get ToT

* Indian Army will receive various configurations of the Spike


Where does it say TOT is included??


Seems like US$ 2 Billion dollar deal. But with javelin missile also being negotiated under FMS, this news looks premature. I think it is a plant to encourage Army to go through with single vendor deal. Basically Javelin and Spike are fighting it out for most of the contracts world wide. Javelin is more costly but with better sensor and Nil/limited tech transfer. Spike is cheaper and with less combat usage. I don't see this deal going through.
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Postby vic » 25 Mar 2011 07:58

BEL has been asking for grant of around Rs 500 crore and now around Rs. 1000 crore for around 10 years to put up a manufacturing unit for thermal (IR) sensors but we are indulging in massive imports of thermal imagers, sensors and IR guided missiles but will not give seed money to BEL.

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Postby Pranav » 25 Mar 2011 08:42

I do not see any sign that Indian military planners have a handle on the issue of hardware Trojans. I would say that any communication system or military system with wireless / radar capabilities will not be sold without hardware Trojans already built in. Furthermore, the Trojans are basically impossible to detect, even you are OK with doing destroying a system while testing.

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Postby jai » 25 Mar 2011 14:58

soutikghosh wrote:India to acquire Spike ATGM in mega deal

LINK: http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/ ... 0&fid=1725

* Deal includes 321 Spike launchers, 8,356 missiles, and 15 training simulators, and peripheral equipment for the Indian Army and is worth $ 1 billion

* India's Bharat Dynamics Ltd to get ToT

* Indian Army will receive various configurations of the Spike


It seems to be a potent system and should be a good acquisition. Even the LR (4km), ER (8 KM) and NLOS (25 km) seem to be pretty capable as per the WIKI. The ER and NLOS are chopper versions and could serve well with WSI Dhruvs/LCH/other future choppers being explored till Helina comes online/along with it.

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Postby VinodTK » 26 Mar 2011 03:04

Chemring and Hinduja join to serve Indian defence market
Chemring, an established supplier to the Indian armed forces, and the Hinduja Group plan to develop a business to serve the Indian defence and security markets with the full range of Chemring products: countermeasures, electronic warfare, high-energy materials, munitions, pyrotechnics and end-of-life ordnance destruction, with the transfer of appropriate technological capabilities.

The joint venture will also look to local sourcing and seek to develop an indigenous manufacturing capability.

The technologically advanced products, local manufacturing and related transfer of technology are targeted to enhance the defence and internal security capabilities of the Indian armed forces and government in a cost-effective manner.

The joint venture is expected to commence operations this year on receipt of the required regulatory approvals.

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Postby Juggi G » 03 Apr 2011 07:05

Rising Challenges, Declining Resources
..:: India Strategic ::..

By Brig (Retd) Gurmeet Kanwal
The author is Director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS), New Delhi.

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Postby chackojoseph » 03 Apr 2011 08:05

Juggi G wrote:Rising Challenges, Declining Resources
..:: India Strategic ::..

By Brig (Retd) Gurmeet Kanwal
The author is Director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS), New Delhi.


I fail to understand these fellows. All these years (except last), they were returning funds. AFIK, in past 10 years, FM's have been very vocal that if more funds are required, it will be given. What else these analysts want? These guys are on perennial whine train.

On Facebook, a Russian lady keeps highlighting IDSA links. One of the latest is titled something like "west Asia crisis and implication on India." He goes on to suggest somethings that can never happen in India, all readers found it ridiculous. I commented that "What can be worse than IDSA (hint IPCS). One of the newly begun writer in IDSA defended "Chacko, you know they might not want to write something that is anti GOI. I told him one basic fact that even "if IDSA is good in private, then I a happy. If they suck as much as their articles, even then I am happy. What more damage can they do?"

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Postby NRao » 03 Apr 2011 08:22

One of the issues, when it comes to Indian (and many other) think tanks, I feel, is that they are cocooned. Strategists, unlike politicians, should never be isolated, in any way or form. Interaction is key to strategic thinking. Politics, feelings, emotions have no place in strategic thinking.

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Postby paultd » 10 Apr 2011 16:22

India to buy 250-300 stealth fighter jets from Russia
http://iafnews.nuvodev.com/posts/india- ... om-russia/

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Postby ShauryaT » 10 Apr 2011 17:00

chackojoseph wrote:
Juggi G wrote:Rising Challenges, Declining Resources
..:: India Strategic ::..

By Brig (Retd) Gurmeet Kanwal
The author is Director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS), New Delhi.


I fail to understand these fellows. All these years (except last), they were returning funds. AFIK, in past 10 years, FM's have been very vocal that if more funds are required, it will be given. What else these analysts want? These guys are on perennial whine train.
Who are you pointing to here? MoD has complete control of these funds. if MoD wants to make sure that they spend, what is allocated then they need an efficient process to do so. The problem is far more acute than just a process issue. In many areas, even if the process in MoD is stream lined, there would be execution issues at development and production end. Unless of course it is all foreign sourced. Easiest option out and the lowest return on our monies.

A person who has dedicated his life to India's defense, has written on what the IA needs to be like by 2020 is about to see that vision sorely under met and is bound to be unhappy.

In my view, if there is one issue on which BRF should scream at the top of its lungs then it is the issue of budgetary allocations and spends.

Gurmeet Kanwal's view needs more support. With that in mind, let me quote the entire article here.


In his budget speech on February 28, 2011, Finance Minister Pranab Mukherjee set aside Rs 1,64,425 crore (US$ 36 billion) for defence during the next financial year (FY 2011-12). This is less than 2.0 per cent of the country’s GDP despite the recommendations of successive Standing Committees on Defence in India’s Parliament that it should be at least 3.00 per cent if the emerging threats and challenges are to successfully countered.

Meanwhile, China’s has increased its official defence expenditure for 2011 by 13 per cent to US$ 91.5 billion while its actual expenditure on defence is likely to be close to US$ 150 billion (3.5 per cent of its GDP). The US defence expenditure in fiscal year 2010 was US$ 530 billion, excluding funds allotted for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Share of Defence Services in Defence Budget 2011-12
Of the total allocation for defence, on the revenue account the army will get Rs 64,250 crore, the navy Rs 10,590 crore, the air force Rs 15,93 billion and the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) Rs 5,624 crore. The total revenue expenditure planned for the year is Rs 95,216 crore (58 per cent of the budget). The remaining amount of Rs 69,199 crore (13.75 per cent increase, 42 per cent of the budget) has been allotted on the capital account for the acquisition of modern weapon systems, including 126 multi-mission, medium-range combat aircraft (MRCAs), C-17 Globemaster heavy lift aircraft, 197 light helicopters, 145 Ultra-light Howitzers and C-17 heavy-lift aircraft. It is well known that India plans to spend approximately US$ 100 billion over 10 years on defence modernisation.
Giving his reaction to the Finance Minister’s budget speech, Defence Minister A K Antony said, "We welcome it as our concerns have been by and large addressed and the Finance Minister has stated that if we have any fresh requirements, they would be made up without any difficulty."
However, while the reactions of the armed forces are not known, they are unlikely to be satisfied as their plans for modernisation have been stymied year after year by the lack of committed budgetary support. The 11th Defence Plan, which will enter its fifth and final year on April 1st, has not yet been accorded approval in principle by the government and, therefore, lacks committed budgetary support. The only silver lining on the horizon is that the funds earmarked on the capital account – funds marked for acquisitions – for FY 2010-11 have been fully spent by the government for the first time in many years.
In addition to the defence budget, the government has also earmarked adequate resources in the annual budget of the Ministry of Home Affairs (MHA) for homeland or internal security. A portion of these funds will be utilised for setting up a National Intelligence Grid and the National Counter-terrorism Centre – measures which are considered necessary consequent to the Mumbai terror strikes in November 2008.
Also, funds for the modernisation of central police and para-military forces will be provided from the budget of the MHA.
This year’s defence budget is 1.83 per cent of the projected GDP and 13.07 per cent of the total Central government expenditure.
In fact, according to the recommendations made by the 13th Finance Commission, the nation’s defence expenditure should progressively come down to 1.76 per cent of the GDP by 2014-15. Quite clearly the Finance Ministry appears to have decided to pay heed to this advice.
While the defence budget as a percentage of the GDP is certainly only one among many internationally acceptable indicators of a country’s defence expenditure, no matter which yardstick India’s defence budget is measured by, it is seen to be well below international norms.
India’s per capita expenditure on defence is less than US$ 10 while the average expenditure of the top ten spenders in Asia is US$ 800 approximately.
At 1.22/1,000 citizens, India’s soldiers-to-citizens ratio is also among the lowest in Asia. The average of the top ten Asian nations is about 20/1,000 (China 1.76/1,000).
Though the present allocation shows an increase of 11.59 per cent over the budgetary estimates for FY 2010-11 and 8.47 per cent over the revised estimates, it is barely adequate to neutralise the annual rate of inflation. Year-on-year inflation is averaging over 11 per cent and shows no sign of abating in the short term. Hence, in ‘real’, inflation adjusted terms, the defence budget has been declining and not increasing in recent years. Also, inflation in weapons, ammunition and defence equipment is usually much higher than domestic inflation. For example, the MiG-21 costs US$ 1 million but its replacement fighter aircraft like the FA-18 E/F, Rafale or Eurofighter could cost anywhere from US$ 60 to 100 million each.
Finally, the most relevant yardstick for measuring the adequacy of defence expenditure is whether or not India is getting the defensive capabilities that it needs. All acquisitions have to be leveraged in this direction, and this is acknowledged so within the Ministry of Defence and the Armed Forces rather forcefully.
In view of the continuing territorial disputes with China and Pakistan and the increasing nuclear, missile and military hardware nexus between them – prompting the need to prepare for a two-front future war -- the emerging threats and challenges on the strategic horizon especially on the maritime security front, the lack of military modernisation and the marked obsolescence of the weapons and equipment of the armed forces, India is consistently failing to develop the capabilities that its armed forces will need in the 2015-20 time frame.
Therefore, the country needs to spend much more on its defence if another military debacle like that of 1962 is to be avoided. This is one field in which complacency costs lives and imposes unacceptable burdens during future crisis situations.
The author is Director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS), New Delhi.


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Postby Pratyush » 24 Apr 2011 12:45

Have been trolling the web and just stumbled on to the UA Army efforts to create the weight carrying exo skeletons. Some thing like that will help the IA in Siachin and similar situations.

U.S. Army Natick Soldier Center to Test Lockheed Martin’s HULC Exoskeleton System


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Postby arun » 27 Apr 2011 07:07

X Posted from the Indian Naval Discussion thread.

Cochin Shipyard has placed an order for 60 MTU 16V 4000 M90 engines to power 20 Fast Patrol Vessels ordered by the Indian Coast Guard:

Tognum receives substantial follow-up order for Indian Coast Guard

The story regards the awarding of the fast patrol vessel order by the Indian Coast Guard to Cochin Shipyards dating back to October 2010 is here:

CSL gets orders for 20 vessels from Coast Guard

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Postby VinodTK » 28 Apr 2011 02:57

Delays in Russian spares force India to go shopping worldwide
The government has issued global tenders to international suppliers to urgently replenish its stocks of spares for MiG-23, MiG-27 and MiG-29 combat planes, IL-76 heavy-lift planes, IL-78 midair refuelers, all Mi-series of helicopters, Pechora and OSA-AK air defence missiles and P-18 and P-19 radars.
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"Haven't we made it quite obvious?" remarked a top Indian Air Force (IAF) officer when, speaking to IANS on condition of anonymity, he was asked why the tenders had been issued and whether this was directly related to the problems India has had in obtaining spares from Russia in the recent past. He also indicated that more such tenders were in the pipeline.

Asked about the troubles in spares supply, an official at the Russian embassy here, who did not want to be named, said the equipment, weapons platforms and aircraft were "pretty old" and that Russia was not manufacturing them any more.

"That is where I think we have a problem in supplying spares," he said.

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Postby VinodTK » 28 Apr 2011 03:09

Czech Tatra truck maker sued over suspicious contracts
Prague - The management of the Czech Tatra truck maker and its Indian share holder Ravinder Kumar Rishi face a criminal complaint over suspiciously disadvantageous deliveries of vehicles to India, the daily Pravo writes today.
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Tatra provided 600 knock-down kits to the Indian military in 2010. From each kit one complete truck can be assembled.

Laska said some 450 knockdowns are to be sent to India this year.


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Postby aniket » 05 May 2011 15:44

A step forward.Good !!

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Postby kmkraoind » 05 May 2011 19:18

Essar Steel becomes first Indian company to supply plates for warships news

Essar's steel plate mill has unique finishing facilities for production of normalised rolled, furnace-normalised, direct quenched, quenched and tempered plates, as also for shot blasting, austenising and accelerated direct cooling. The mill is capable of producing plates having thickness ranging from 5 to 150 mm, width from 900 to 4900 mm and length of 3 m to 25 m - all of which are import-substitution products.

Besides shipmaking, these ultra strong, ultra tough, weather resistant steel plates find applications in other defence equipment production as also in sectors such as oil and gas, boilers and pressure vessels, heavy duty earth-moving machines, wind towers, mine protective vehicles, construction etc.

Besides helping in import substitution, the plate mill has approvals from some of the world's leading ship-building, boilers, and yellow goods manufactures.

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Postby BENNY » 05 May 2011 20:21

Sukhoi flies first series-production Su-35S


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Flight tests have started in Russia on the first production model of the Sukhoi Su-35S multi-role fighter, the company has confirmed.
Sukhoi chief test pilot Sergey Bogdan completed a 1.5h flight with the Su-35S from Komsomolsk-on-Amur airport in Siberia, checking the aircraft's two major advances - NPO Saturn 117S engines and the MNPK Avionika KSU-35 fly-by-wire control system.


The test programme is focused on obtaining the Russian air force's acceptance that the aircraft meets its requirements, said Sukhoi.
First flight of the production model comes two years after the programme's biggest setback. On 29 April 2009, the third Su-35S prototype was wrecked during high-speed ground tests, with test pilot Yevgeni Frolov ejecting unharmed.


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The Russian air force has ordered 48 Su-35s for delivery up to 2015. Adding the first production model to the test programme has accelerated the flight-test schedule this year, Sukhoi said.


The Su-35 features several major changes from the Su-30MKI series. Besides the engines and fly-by-wire upgrades, the S-model dispenses with the distinctive canards and air brake of the Su-30-series. The aircraft's structure also includes more titanium to increase service life to 6,000 flight hours or 30 years of operation, with 1,500h or 10 years between overhauls.


PICTURES: Sukhoi flies first series-production Su-35S

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Postby BENNY » 05 May 2011 21:13

Defiance Tech eyeing buys in US, Australia


The Hinduja group aerospace firm looks beyond design and engineering.

The Hinduja group is looking to set up an assembling and manufacturing facility for civilian and military applications through its group company Defiance Technologies Ltd. The group, which currently offers engineering and designing solutions to aerospace customers, would look at both organic and inorganic growth as its strategy to boost this business.


Speaking to Business Standard, Subu D Subramanian, managing director and chief executive officer, Defiance Technologies Ltd, said, “We are now moving up in a ladder to become a complete Engineering, Manufacturing and Enterprise (EME) solution company.”


[COLOR="blue"]As part of its inorganic growth plans, Defiance is looking at acquiring companies in US, Europe and Australia. “Targets are mainly tier-1 companies, which are the suppliers for top OEMs,” said Subramanian. The company is planning to announce one such acquisition by end of this year.[/COLOR]

These companies would be small with 50-100 people on the rolls and their expertise would be in design and engineering. Inorganic group will help the company to address a primary challenge of human resources, said Subramanian.

“We will recruit the available human resource in the country and upgrade them. The second approach is acquisitions in foreign countries, which give quick access to human resource and third approach is to join hands with global OEMs,” he said.

At present, the company is in engineering and enterprise solution space and wants to enter manufacturing, he said. “Initially, we will look at contract manufacturing, following which an assembling or a manufacturing facility, by the group. We will focus on low-volume customers to start, to whom end-to-end solution will be offered,” he said.

[COLOR="red"]The company has started designing and supplying doors for a 20-seater aircraft of a US-based aerospace company. Defiance Technologies is working with a Bangalore-based company to assemble these doors.
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[COLOR="navy"]Meanwhile, Defiance Technologies has become the second company in India to receive the AS 9100 Revision C certification which is considered as the gold standard for aerospace and defence customers globally. Defiance has been awarded this certificate for its entire range of engineering, ERP and IT services with UL-DQS as the certifying body.
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Postby VinodTK » 17 May 2011 04:37

India HAL to Promote ALH to Brazil, Chile and Colombia
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I do not know as to how long the article will be available; that is why I posted an image of the article.

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Postby Cosmo_R » 17 May 2011 04:54

VinodTK wrote:Delays in Russian spares force India to go shopping worldwide
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"That is where I think we have a problem in supplying spares," he said.


Wait till we experience the full $25 bn PAK/FA effect.

The Russian supply chain is so broken that they resort to one offs to fool us.

Not to mention the Vik where they have problems supplying the vehicle even before we get to the spare parts.

With this, who needs US sanctions to cripple capability? :)

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Postby Sid » 17 May 2011 11:33

^^ It's better to have a rusty weapon which will work in someway then to have a shiny weapon which will do noting except shine at D'day.

We bought stuff from UK/France as well, don't we have supply chain problems there? If it pains everywhere when you touch yourself then there is something wrong with your finger not the whole body. We are that finger ;)

Until we have our own manufacturing base there is no escape from such supply chain problems.

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Postby Austin » 17 May 2011 20:42

Russia will deliver two full-scale trainers for Mi-17V-5 helicopter to India in 2012

Kronshtadt Company (forming part of Tranzas group) will have delivered two full-scale trainers for Mi-17V-5 helicopters to India by the end of 2012, ARMS-TASS reports. The Rosoboronexport’s order is being performed in accordance with contract between Russia and India on production of 80 Mi-17V-5 helicopters for Indian Ministry of Defense by Kazan Helicopters. It has been reported by CEO of Kronshtadt Company, Evgeny Komrakov.

"We have already received an advance payment and started work ", - said Komrakov.

According to him, the company will deliver trainers of the international highest category D to India. These trainers are complicated systems mounted on moving platform and these devices are able to simulate the aircraft and its flight with almost 100% believability. After the training course on this trainer the crew needs minimal actual flight time

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Postby Nikhil T » 18 May 2011 04:51

India's consolation prize to the US

Awesome!! More crappy, white elephants while no there is no focus on the submarine numbers depletion, doomed Artillery trials and border roads - things that will actually win wars for us.

The Cabinet Committee on Security is expected to approve IAF's original projection for 10 of these transport aircraft, pegged at over $4 billion. The proposed five-to-seven more aircraft "would be approved over the next few months", sources said. Work on increasing the C-17 order is already underway. Among the security agencies set to acquire the massive military aircraft is Aviation Research Centre, the external intelligence agency RAW's aviation arm. Given its capability to airdrop over 100 commandos, C-17s would also be acquired for improving Special Forces capabilities outside of the military, sources said.


Its obvious that the headline of the article is for sensationalism, but seeing the trend of the past few years of increasing the order of a weapons platform without the Forces having inducted it and having a chance to develop tactics - P8I Poseidon, C-130 and now C-17s.

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Postby Gurneesh » 18 May 2011 07:04

I guess it would be wrong to call the C17 a white elephant. True that it might be expensive to buy than Il76, but it lifts much more and also should be much cheaper and easier to maintain. Plus Il76 can only carry a t72 and that too just. C-17 can carry any of IA's tanks very easily. Though has to be seen if it can land at Leh with them (I guess landing should not be a problem).

Delay is submarine, arty have nothing to do with lack of money.

Plus more P8 could be due to increasing needs for maritime patrol (piracy related) which also is the reason being given for delaying IAC-2.

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Postby Aditya G » 19 May 2011 00:29

Nikhil T wrote:but seeing the trend of the past few years of increasing the order of a weapons platform without the Forces having inducted it and having a chance to develop tactics - P8I Poseidon, C-130 and now C-17s.


Is C-130 repeat order confirmed? :-?

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Postby Rakesh » 19 May 2011 02:02

Nikhil T wrote:Awesome!! More crappy, white elephants while no there is no focus on the submarine numbers depletion, doomed Artillery trials and border roads - things that will actually win wars for us.

The C-17 has a capability that is unmatched by any other aircraft in the world. It is anything but a *white* elephant, rather a very useful elephant. The C-17 is sorely needed and should have come yesterday! Better late than never though. Secondly, please do not lump the C-17 acquisition with submarine depletion and artillery trials...they have no relation.

Aditya G wrote:Is C-130 repeat order confirmed? :-?

Very Close.

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Postby rohitvats » 19 May 2011 10:22

^^^Those a/c are the most sorely required piece of asset by the IAF..these are very versatile machines.....I would love to see 30-40 C-130 in IAF colors.

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Postby Shrinivasan » 19 May 2011 11:19

C-130Js are the real force multipliers, they can easily move troops to a frontline, also drop forces behind enemy lines. 6+6 C130Js is only the beginning, there is lots more to come, just like the C-17 order is getting increased, this would also become large.

Boeing is putting enormous pressure on Uncle to loosen the purse strings of tech controls, particularly Sen Dianne Feinstein (D-CA) is pushing on Boeings behalf. Senators from AZ, MO, NY, WA and KC (all location with strong Boeing presence) are working the hallways. This is indeed a true bi-partisan effort.

Boeing desperately needs order for C-17. It also wants to sell Harpoon Missiles, Helos like Apache and Chinooks to us SDREs. (I am currently in St. Louis, MO a big Boeing site and have friends working in Boeing Defence systems).

Offsets should give loads of work to Indian Industries.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby SaiK » 19 May 2011 19:49

any tech transfer in the mirage upgrade deal?

MICA ?


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