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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby D Roy » 20 Jun 2012 02:49

Given budgetary trends I have no doubt the Indian Army will get into a very cosy relationship with DRDO.

In fact it has already happened to an extent. Watch this space.

The IAF will go hammer and tongs on DRDO to get up to speed on propulsion. GATET will yield results.

The Indian Navy will continue to strengthen its cooperative relationship with the domestic &D establishment. But will also be the recipient of significant US tech support. I predict that our next two IACs will be nice and large with Cats.

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Postby tejas » 20 Jun 2012 04:59

Goa shipyards is a GOI enterprise established 1957. Kangnam Shipyards was established in 1968 and did not start building naval vessels until 1975. Why does this shining example of socialism need tech transfer from a country poorer than India in 1947?

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Postby vic » 21 Jun 2012 08:30

Javelin imports is typical hankering for bestest, costliest and difficult to get product. A simpler alternative would be to import Israeli missiles on better terms or massive investment in indigenous man portable Nag missile. Army should learn the navy way!

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Postby Prem » 22 Jun 2012 04:10

Private Consortium Shortlisted for $1.8 Billion India Defense Contract
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 65760.html

NEW DELHI – India's defense ministry has shortlisted a consortium of three private-sector companies for a 100 billion rupee ($1.8 billion) communication systems project for the armed forces, senior company executives said Thursday. The consortium of Larsen & Toubro Ltd., HCL Infosystems Ltd. and Tata Power Co. will compete with state-run Bharat Electronics Ltd. for the contract, said M.V. Kotwal, head of the heavy engineering division at Larsen. The move to shortlist private companies for a major defense contract indicates ...
The deal is a landmark one since it's the first time the private sector is being involved in the development of a strategically important system," Tata Power Managing Director Anil Sardana said. Mr. Sardana said that trials will be conducted to test the robustness of the system and that the entire process of developing the system and deciding on the vendor is likely to take 12-18 months. The Tata group company, one of India's biggest power generation companies, will participate in the project through its strategic electronics division. Mr. Sardana said the structure of the partnership between the three companies would be decided once there's clarity on which company would handle what specific part of the task. Larsen's Mr. Kotwal also said that the company is eyeing opportunities to become involved in other major strategic military projects, such as development of futuristic infantry combat vehicles.

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Postby arun » 30 Jun 2012 20:00

Some armour related upgrade developments.

May 29, 2012 RFI put out for providing air conditioning and more powerful APU’s for T-90 tanks:

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION ON AIR CONDITIONER WITH AUXILLARY POWER UNIT (APU) IN TANK T-90S/SK

March 14, 2012 RFI put out for up-engining the BMP-2:

REQUEST FOR INFORMATION FOR NEW POWER PACK WITH MINIMUM 360 HORSE POWER ENGINE INCLUDING RUNNING GEAR AND SUSPENSION FOR INFANTRY COMBAT VEHICLE (ICV) BMP-2/2K

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Postby vic » 30 Jun 2012 20:56

Oh my GOD, super duper bumber T-90 don't have APU when junk Arjun Has it ! It is evil BRF conspiracy. Let's cancel Arjun orders and give them to T-90s. Even if T-90s don't have ammo or barrels, we can throw few thousand crore more at it.

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Postby Roperia » 01 Jul 2012 05:38

Russia to deliver ammunition worth $1 billion to India | ITAR-TASS

At the beginning of this year Russia and India concluded the package of contracts to the tune of one billion dollars for the delivery of tanks and artillery shells, anti-tank missiles of various types and other ammunition for the Ground Troops
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At the beginning of this year Russia and India concluded the package of contracts to the tune of one billion dollars for the delivery of tanks and artillery shells, anti-tank missiles of various types and other ammunition for the Ground Troop
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For the provision with weapons of the current staff the Indian army lacked several thousands of anti-tank missiles of Russian types alone, and the available Indian capacities could not cover this deficit, the expert explained. Along with Russia India buys ammunition in European countries and Israel and concluded a very massive contract for the supplies of anti-tank missiles at the cost of more than one billion dollars with Israel last year, the expert said. He does not rule out that the purchases of such rapidly used weapons as ammunition will be continued by Indian military, particularly from Russian suppliers in the future.
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Postby Kersi D » 04 Jul 2012 20:49

D Roy wrote:Given budgetary trends I have no doubt the Indian Army will get into a very cosy relationship with DRDO.

In fact it has already happened to an extent. Watch this space.

The IAF will go hammer and tongs on DRDO to get up to speed on propulsion. GATET will yield results.

The Indian Navy will continue to strengthen its cooperative relationship with the domestic &D establishment.


:) :) :)

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Postby JaiS » 04 Jul 2012 21:09

US DoD - Latest CONTRACTS


NAVY

The Boeing Co., St. Louis, Mo., was awarded June 29 a $145,090,000 firm-fixed-price contract for the procurement of 34 harpoon missile bodies; two encapsulated harpoon certification training vehicles; 41 tactical air launch all up rounds (AURs) for the governments of Saudi Arabia (20) and India (21); eight exercise AURs for the governments of Saudi Arabia (5) and India (3); four captive air training missiles (CATMs) for the government of India; three spare guidance control units for the governments of Saudi Arabia (1) and India (2); two SLAM-ER CATMs for the government of Korea; 68 shipping containers for the governments of Taiwan (36), Saudi Arabia (15), India (15), and Korea (2); and associated harpoon hardware for the U.S. Navy and the governments of Australia, Korea, Japan, Canada, Chile, Pakistan, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates. Work will be performed in St. Charles, Mo. (34.6 percent); St. Louis, Mo. (20 percent); McKinney, Texas (8.9 percent); Toledo, Ohio (5.5 percent); Lititz, Pa. (2.4 percent); Elkton, Md. (2.2 percent); and various locations in (13.8 percent) and outside the continental U.S. (12.6 percent). Work is expected to be completed in December 2013. Contract funds will not expire at the end of the current fiscal year. This contract was not competitively procured pursuant to FAR 6.302-1. The Naval Air Systems Command, Patuxent River, Md., is the contracting activity (N00019-12-C-0103).


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Postby Singha » 04 Jul 2012 21:27

we continue to get raped on relatively small stuff like ammo and man portable atgms.

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Postby Vivek K » 04 Jul 2012 22:17

vic wrote:Oh my GOD, super duper bumber T-90 don't have APU when junk Arjun Has it ! It is evil BRF conspiracy. Let's cancel Arjun orders and give them to T-90s. Even if T-90s don't have ammo or barrels, we can throw few thousand crore more at it.

+1!!! :evil:

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Postby Hiten » 11 Jul 2012 16:36

FARNBOROUGH: Defence companies move into India for research
Aerospace and defence companies are increasingly choosing India for their overseas research and development investment - leaving China far behind.

And, according to research by consultancy PwC published on Tuesday for presentation later this week at a Farnborough air show industry leaders gathering, India is also closing the gap on China to become the second-leading country for manufacturing investment.

Of 54 R&D investments made by the top 50 aerospace and defence companies worldwide between 2000 and 2011, 12 projects went to India, seven to the USA, six to Russia, five to the UK and just four to China. Most of those Indian investments came during the past five years, indicating an accelerating interest in the country as what PwC global aerospace and defence leader Neil Hampson calls the partner of choice for "collaborative" R&D, which is likely to be followed by manufacturing partnerships.

Of 114 foreign manufacturing investments made during the same period, China claimed 23 - just three more than India. The US attracted 15 projects, and Mexico 10.


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Postby VinodTK » 17 Jul 2012 04:50

DCNS seeks Indian partners for Scorpene project
DCNS, a leading French firm in naval defence, is looking for tie-ups with Indian companies for production of equipment for Scorpene submarines, six of which will be delivered to the Indian Navy between the end of 2013 and 2018.

Disclosing this to The Hindu, its executive vice-president and Chief Operating Officer, Bernard Planchais, and Managing Director of DCNS India, the company’s Indian subsidiary, Bernard Busisson, said that around $75 million worth of equipment for the submarines would be produced indigenously by entering into partnerships with Indian companies.

The company had already entered into contracts with three Indian firms, including Hyderabad-based SEC.

They said more than 100 Indian companies were identified for prospective tie-ups. Following an evaluation, discussions were on with more than 30 firms. He said there were no offset clauses when the Scorpene deal was signed. But DCNS was committed towards manufacturing indigenous equipment by local companies through transfer of technology.

Describing “as very good” the progress made so far on the submarine project, Mr. Planchais said the pressure hulls of the six submarines would be ready by the end of 2012, and the first submarine would be launched by the end of 2013. The first submarine is expected to be commissioned into the Navy by 2015.

DCNS is also bidding for Indian Navy’s requirement for ‘LPD’ (Landing Platform Dock).

He said the company was making equipment for tapping ocean energy. The first prototype of a 16-meter wide turbine to produce tidal energy was ready. Each turbine would generate two MW of power. It was also building a prototype (one MW) for a floating wind turbine, which would be ready by the end of the year.

With the company keen to expand its footprint in India, Mr. Buisson hoped that the Indian government, in its 2012 Defence Procurement Policy, would allow foreign companies to fulfil offset obligations through non-military projects even when the main agreement is related to military projects.

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Postby Hiten » 19 Jul 2012 08:28

German Arms Firms Seek Cooperation with India
http://ow.ly/cl8Hd
Indian law requires that at least 30 percent of arms must be purchased from domestic suppliers. This allows the country not only to secure a share of the value-creation, but also to acquire more know-how.

Such a sentiment may sound like a desire to one day produce in India the products offered by foreign manufacturers. But it is a blessing for the German arms industry. German export laws impose requirements on arms exports that are viewed as restrictive when compared to those of other countries. As such, German arms companies have resorted to exploiting loopholes in the laws: They are only too happy to set up joint enterprises with companies in the target countries so that they can manufacture products there. Individual parts delivered to these countries are not subject to the same strict regulations that apply to finished products.


There doesn't seem to be other reports that corroborate this capability of the Dhruv

The company already supplies components for the "Dhruv," a helicopter capable of laying landmines


despite his present Deutsch citizenship, writer can't help but start off by displaying his in[grained]/bred pakistaniyat

When it comes to arm purchases, India is already a global power

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Postby Hiten » 20 Jul 2012 23:16

Arjuns seem to be equipped with Air conditioning. Indian supplier

Indian HVAC for Russian-made Tanks

http://4gwar.wordpress.com/2012/07/18/t ... ade-tanks/
n air conditioning company based in India wants to add climate controls to Russian-made tanks sold to Middle East and African militaries.

Officials at Fedders Lloyd Corporation Ltd. say they have already supplied over two thousand military grade ruggedized air conditioning and heating systems for mine-protected vehicles and main battle tanks for the Indian Army, like the T-72M1 Ajeya, T-90S Bishman and the Arjun [TFPE DDM?]. The company is also in the process of supplying air conditioning and heating units for 150 armored ambulance vehicles – both tracked and wheeled versions — and mobile radar stations.

The challenges include the extremely hot and dusty conditions of the Indian deserts. One requirement of the power units for HVAC systems on tanks like the Russian T-90 or T-72 is that there still be power for the air conditioning as well as moving the gun and turret when the main engine is shut down, Sridharan said.

Mehta told your 4GWAR editor that most Russian equipment sold to India or African nations had only heating units. “The Russians never picked up expertise in air conditioning,” he added. Mehta said Fedders Lloyd has retrofit Russian equipment with air conditioning units for Bangladesh, and countries in the Middle East and southern Africa.

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Postby kit » 23 Jul 2012 15:55

http://www.rt.com/news/china-arms-race-nuclear-787/

does anyone know of any studies done regarding effect of indian arms expenditure and economy/social structure ?

That news , makes something very clear.Arms sales to india is indeed the pentagons priority area, because it can keep both the emerging powers India and china in check.It gets to eat the cake too.But it will *NOT* part with high end technology,period.That includes fighter engine and radar tech.

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Postby kit » 23 Jul 2012 15:59

The idea of relaxing the offsets especially with purchases from the US is NOT good.The US more than any other country is able to provide offsets benefical to Indian defense manufacturing, if they want to

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Postby D Roy » 23 Jul 2012 16:10

Yes they can, if they want to.

Unfortunately they are dithering based on the flimsiest of excuses.

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Postby kit » 23 Jul 2012 17:26

That goes to show the US is not really interested in building up real indian military capability only an apparent one .. a transient apparent buildup based on billions of dollars worth of tax payers money that has a short half life.Real capabilities can be built upon and are worthwhile investments.One cannot help but wonder at how the US keeps generations worth of gap between technologies it allows to flow to other nations.

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Postby neeraj » 23 Jul 2012 21:04

Antony clears Rs 12,000 crore proposal for 56 aircraft
The defence ministry today cleared a proposal worth over Rs 12,000 crore to procure 56 transport aircraft for the Air Force to replace its fleet of vintage Avro planes. The first 16 aircraft will be procured off-the-shelf from foreign vendors who will have to partner with a local private or public sector firm, they said.
The next 16 aircraft will have to have 30 per cent indigenous component while the remaining 24 planes will have 60 per cent locally-procured and produced items.

Asked why the state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) was not be involved in the project, they said the PSU was already burdened with projects such as the SU-30MKI production and upgrades of IAF aircraft fleet including the Mirage, MiG 29 and Jaguar aircraft.

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Postby kit » 30 Jul 2012 08:02

http://m.economictimes.com/news/news-by ... 237235.cms

What is interesting from the article ..

Creating a manufacturing hub is at the heart of Mukesh Ambani's ambition in the aerospace business, says the Mumbai consultant. "He seems to be focusing on aircraft parts in the short term and on developing new technologies in the long term," this person said. He also felt RIL, now ranked No. 99 on the Global Fortune 500 Companies list, is likely to emerge as a "predominant player" in the aerospace and defence segments "to the extent that its other businesses might not be as important in a decade from now".

Looks like they are not trying to get their feet wet., rather jumping into the water.

I think the MMRCA Rafale will give it the booster dose to get things done.

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Postby member_22539 » 30 Jul 2012 09:10

^Nice article. I ardently hope that our defence sector can be broken from the filthy grip of PSUs (some worse than others).

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Postby akimalik » 30 Jul 2012 10:54

Bharat Forge begins trial production for aerospace components

Forgings major Bharat Forge Ltd (BFL) has begun trial production of forgings in titanium and specialty steels for application in the aerospace industry.


“Products are being identified and we will begin trial production for some aircraft manufacturers,” he said, adding that this was being done at the existing facilities since the sector required heavy investments and approvals usually took two to five years.


...does this also figure in their 155mm Gun development?

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Postby kit » 30 Jul 2012 10:59

Profit wise defence ranks amongst the highest , with oil and pharma.Major companies in india with a good base or technical know how should definitely have a defense subsidiary.I think the software companies can and should be involved in developing cyber warfare technologies.the talent is there, i think.
The DOFA website has a list of indian pvt companies engaged in defense production/collaboration

http://mod.nic.in/DOFA.htm#W7

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Postby kit » 18 Aug 2012 21:37

Quite relevant in indian context as well

How much defense spending is enough ?

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Outside ... 1_999.html


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Postby JTull » 21 Aug 2012 13:27



I find this headline very amusing. If a news on LCA Tejas has to be reported then it would include a mandatory mention of how the engine and everything else is phoren. While a heli with just a Tata tin-can is considered "Made-in-India".

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Postby rajanb » 21 Aug 2012 13:32

^^^^^
Sensation sells DDMitis.

But keeping that OT aside, it is indeed a step, albeit a small one, for Tatas to have built 15 airframes. A step to enable them to build airframes for the LCH too?

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Postby nakul » 21 Aug 2012 14:24

Its called playing to your master's gallery. If some of the previous posts are to go by, foreign firms are quite happy to provide India with non critical technology like airframes and wings. But there is a huge no no for critical techs like engines and seekers in missiles. Hence whenever an Indian product that uses critical tech (LCA, NAg) is mentioned, it is usually treated as an inferior product. (The ToI compared LCA to a Mach 20 hypersonic vehicle to show its inferiority)

On the contrary, if a product uses Indian built frames (Boeing's F-18 bay, Sikorsky helicopter), it is heralded as a great success for Made in India (never mind that HAL has been doing the same for a few decades for jet fighters, it is the American acceptance that matters!)

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Postby Austin » 25 Aug 2012 11:13

Thales, India’s Bharat To Form Joint Venture for Radars

India’s government-owned electronics giant, Bharat Electronics (BEL), will sign a joint venture with France’s Thales next week to manufacture air defense components, AIN has learned from a senior defense official. The venture is expected to start operations within 18 months.

BEL may then become part of the global supply chain for Thales. Under earlier license deals with the French company, BEL has built Thales LW04, DA08 and ZW06 naval radars. BEL will hold a 74-percent share in the joint venture and Thales the balance, because the Indian government does not allow direct foreign investment of more than 26 percent.

Thales will contribute its expertise in system engineering, integration and testing, along with some technology transfer. At a recent defense show in India, Thales demonstrated its capabilities in air defense solutions, force protection, missile systems and rocket systems, including a mobile ground C4I system for complete airspace surveillance out to 80 km (49 miles) and its mobile short-range air defense system. BEL has been a major player in the electronics field in India, with a history of manufacturing radars for the military.

Thales recently won a contract from India to upgrade 49 Mirage 2000s (two were lost recently) to bring them to the full Mirage 2000v5 Mk 2 standard. The deal includes an RDY-3 radar with greater air-to-air and air-to-ground capability, a new night-vision-compatible all-digital cockpit, and improved electronic warfare systems. While it is not yet clear whether the joint venture will manufacture components for the RDY-3, Thales is most likely to tap its offsets commitment with this venture.

India’s defense procurement process requires offsets of at least 30 percent, so it is likely the joint venture will also satisfy offsets associated with India’s selection of the Dassault Rafale for its medium multi-role combat aircraft requirement for 126 fighters. Thales is a major partner in the Rafale program.

Work on the Mirage upgrades will be performed by Dassault, manufacturer of the aircraft, along with Thales as weapons systems integrator, MBDA as missile supplier and India’s Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL). The first two Mirages will be refitted in France, the next two by HAL in India under French supervision and the remainder by HAL. Delivery of kits will stretch until 2018, the defense official said.

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Postby Lisa » 29 Aug 2012 01:04

Via e-mail,


Indian healthcare group takes stake in Israeli UAV company
Indian group Piramal Enterprises, which is based in Mumbai and has traditionally focused on the healthcare sector, has acquired a 28 per cent stake in Bluebird Aero Systems, an Israeli manufacturer of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) for military and civilian applications. The investment, which was disclosed in Piramal Enterprises' quarterly report issued to the Bombay Stock Exchange on 14 August, is valued at INR400 million (USD7.1 million)

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Postby Austin » 08 Sep 2012 17:49

Interview with Vyacheslav Trubnikov, member of the governing board of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences

"I Believe that Russia’s Only Real Strategic Partner is India”

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Postby kit » 08 Sep 2012 19:03

Austin wrote:Interview with Vyacheslav Trubnikov, member of the governing board of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations of the Russian Academy of Sciences

"I Believe that Russia’s Only Real Strategic Partner is India”


That is particularly true whichever way regimes change in India and Russia.China will be a competitor to both countries., but they both have to remain engaged with it in a increasingly multi polar and interconnected world.

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Postby SaiK » 09 Sep 2012 19:21

Image

We match the 2G and Coalgate in budget values.

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Postby nakul » 09 Sep 2012 19:24

SaiK wrote:We match the 2G and the Chinese match Coalgate in budget values.


FTFY

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Postby nakul » 15 Sep 2012 19:05

Govt mulls restrictions on army officials joining private firms

The biggest worry of the Government is about officers working in procurement and acquisition directorates of the ministry and the services and joining arms companies as consultants soon after retirement, they said.

Recently, Defence Minister AK Antony had stated that the Government was “seriously considering” a Standing Committee recommendation to bar services officers from joining private sector five years after their retirement.

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Postby D Roy » 15 Sep 2012 20:56

When will this "PLAAF has 3500 fighters" bullshit end? They have nowhere close to that number. And they have retired the J-6s etc or turned them into drones.

At the moment even if I count most Q-6s as operational they have at most 1200-1300 fighters.


moreover they don't have 10000 tanks anymore and in any case more than 85 per cent of their fleet is made up of T-55 derivatives right down to the Type 85II.

and tanks don't come into play in the India-China scenario except in very few sectors.

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Postby anyusharma » 16 Sep 2012 07:11

D Roy wrote:When will this "PLAAF has 3500 fighters" bullshit end? They have nowhere close to that number. And they have retired the J-6s etc or turned them into drones.

At the moment even if I count most Q-6s as operational they have at most 1200-1300 fighters.


moreover they don't have 10000 tanks anymore and in any case more than 85 per cent of their fleet is made up of T-55 derivatives right down to the Type 85II.

and tanks don't come into play in the India-China scenario except in very few sectors.


sir slight correction, surely you meant the Q-5s, the Q-6 project never took off!

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Postby D Roy » 16 Sep 2012 11:03

Yup I mean that bomb bay sporting piece of shit called the Q-5 fantan.

And by the way even in the naval domain if the PLAN refuses to retire the Luda and the Jianghus that's their problem.


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