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Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Pratyush » 04 Feb 2017 13:36

Rakesh wrote:Details of DRDO's Man-Portable Anti-Tank Guided Missile (MPATGM)
http://thestrategictimes.com/exclusive- ... d-missile/



Hasn't the Indian army already ordered spike? So will the procurement budget have scope for a second missile in the same class.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Rakesh » 04 Feb 2017 21:07

Create unit outside Defence Ministry to fast-track defence deals: Panel to tell Govt
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... t-4505063/

Defence acquisitions have been stuck in a long-drawn spiral with major procurements like the Rafale fighters or M-777 howitzers taking nearly a decade to fructify.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Kakkaji » 06 Feb 2017 04:39

Indo-UK made new Hawk combat aircraft looks to take on China

NEW DELHI: India and the United Kingdom have jointly developed a combat ready aircraft that will be on offer to neighbouring countries, countering growing Chinese penetration of the defence market in the region.

A jointly developed, dual role version of the Hawk trainer aircraft will make its debut later this month, with an Indo-UK combine targeting export markets for the versatile plane.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Ankit Desai » 06 Feb 2017 07:03

Urgent arms deals of Rs 20,000 crore inked to keep forces ready

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/urgent- ... 990170.cms

-Ankit

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby JTull » 07 Feb 2017 16:06

Airbus to strengthen ‘Make in India‘ programme

Airbus’ industrial partnerships with Indian companies under the ‘Make in India’ programme will set the tone of its participation at the 11th edition of Aero India to be held at the Air Force Station Yelahanka, Bengaluru, India from 14th -18th of February 2017.

Pierre de Bausset, President and Managing Director at Airbus India, said: “The future of Indian aerospace and defence industry rests on the realization of the ‘Make in India’ vision. I look forward to having conversations around the topic at Aero India. We have partnered with Tata and Mahindra and are working with a host of other companies to script ‘Make in India’ success stories.”

Visitors at the Airbus stand will get a first-hand account of Airbus’ industrial engagement with India which yields over $500 million (approx. Rs. 3,400 crores) in procurement from India annually from around 45 suppliers, generating local employment for more than 6,000 people. To illustrate the scale of co-operation, Airbus can claim that each of its commercial aircraft produced today is partly Made-in-India.

The potential of Airbus & India partnership is bigger and this will be exhibited in the form of scale models of the C295W military transport aircraft and the AS565 MBe Panther helicopter.

As part of the Avro replacement programme of the Ministry of Defence, Airbus will support Tata Advanced Systems Limited (TASL) in setting-up a final assembly line for the C295W in India, once the contract is awarded. Airbus has tied-up with Mahindra Defence to create India’s first private sector company for manufacturing military helicopters. Making India the global hub for ‘Panther’ manufacturing – producing Panthers in India, for the domestic market as well as for exports – is proposed under the Naval Utility Helicopter programme.

According to Airbus, there are around 590 A320neo on order from India which means, on overage, one aircraft will be delivered to India per week over the next 10 years.


If Govt is really committed to the 'Make in India' programme, why not give a subsidy and get these assembled in India.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Austin » 09 Feb 2017 12:12

Any one having access to full Janes writeup

India-US technology initiative moving slowly

http://www.janes.com/article/67580/indi ... ing-slowly
The India-US Defence Technology and Trade Initiative (DTTI) to jointly develop and manufacture US military equipment in India has registered incremental progress since its initiation in 2012.

Aimed at furthering defence co-operation between two strategic allies, shorn of bureaucratic delays from either side, the DTTI has languished owing to enduring shortcomings by the respective entities that co-ordinate the initiative, according to industry sources.

This includes vacillation in decision-making by India's Department of Defence Production (DDP), which functions under the Ministry of Defence (MoD), and concerns that the US Under Secretary of Defense for Acquisition, Technology, and Logistics, or USD (AT&L), has been offering low-grade technologies.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Singha » 09 Feb 2017 12:17

china got itself the tianjin a320 final assembly line to learn and steal from on the back of similar few 100 orders a decade ago.

time to play hardball with airbus than just give our money away

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Cybaru » 09 Feb 2017 21:23

yeah, we should cut vat/taxes and give subsidy to Airbus orders produced within the country. There is a huge scope for producing airbus 3XX orders in India. This is what the private industry should focus on. Getting a piece of this pie makes absolute sense by getting Reliance/Tatas/Mahindras involved.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Prasad » 09 Feb 2017 21:52

They strong-armed Airbus to produce the A-330s now at Tianjin.
http://www.airbus.com/presscentre/press ... on-starts/

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Austin » 09 Feb 2017 23:44

Singha wrote:china got itself the tianjin a320 final assembly line to learn and steal from on the back of similar few 100 orders a decade ago.

time to play hardball with airbus than just give our money away


China has a huge domestic narrow body market where they can afford to play hardball with EU/Airbus to build a local plant there , We dont have such huge domestic airline and we cant browbeat the likes of Indigo,Spicejet to buy why GOI wants them too

Surprising they now will be building A-330 , I guess China is truly a manufacturing hub for the biggies

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby JTull » 10 Feb 2017 07:03

Confirmed orders for 590 A320neo is not exactly a small market either.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Austin » 10 Feb 2017 09:02

These are for multiple private players who negotiate separately with Airbus or Boeing for their own requirement and terms of lease/purchase , These players would be more interested in getting the aircraft delivered on time and with attractive loans/lease options rather then where it is made. Even GOI flagship carrier are more than happy to divide the order between boeing and airbus to show they are neutral to both. Aircraft Assembling/Manufacturing in India must be the last thing in their mind

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby arunsrinivasan » 10 Feb 2017 17:20

GOI could tweak customs duty to promote domestic manufacture. Given the size of the Indian market, they will be forced to setup some manufacturing. Unless this runs foul of WTO. My 2 cents, am no expert but take it FWIW.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby Karan M » 12 Feb 2017 00:10

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/in ... ister.html

In a major step towards speeding up defence deals and urgently meeting critical requirements of the armed forces, PM Narendra Modi has enhanced defence minister Manohar Parrikar's financial muscle by four times, allowing him to buy weapon systems and platforms worth Rs 2,000 crore at his own discretion.

This is a huge jump from the existing fund of Rs 500 crore that was given to the defence minister under the UPA government.

'At a recent meeting of the Cabinet Committee on Security, the Prime Minister cleared the proposal to increase the financial power of the defence minister from the existing Rs 500 crore to Rs 2,000 crore,' senior government sources told Mail Today here.


The decision is made to fast-track the speed of weapon acquisition

The decision by the Prime Minister is going to significantly fast-track the speed of weapon acquisition as many defence deals can be completed at the level of the defence ministry and there would no need to take them to the Cabinet Committee on Security, the sources said.

Till now, all the defence deals worth over Rs 1,000 crore had to be cleared at the level of the CCS which is headed by the Prime Minister and includes the unions ministers for defence, home, finance and external affairs.

The Prime minister also cleared many other proposals related to the financial decision made by his ministers as he has given the defence minister and the finance minister the power to jointly clear defence acquisitions worth up to Rs 3,000 crores.

This would mean that at least 60-70 per cent of the deals related to the defence sector would be cleared at the ministerial level, the sources said.


PM Modi has given Manohar Parrikar more discretion over defence acquisitions

So far, the two ministers could jointly clear deals worth Rs 1,000 crore but this has now been enhanced by three times, they said.

With the new arrangements in place, the Cabinet Committee on Security will only take up acquisition cases which are worth over Rs 3,000 crore, the sources said.

The new financial rules will help the defence ministry give contracts for several weapon systems, especially for tank ammunition and small arms requirements, such as rifles and small range missiles, and also help cut down the time taken for getting clearance from the Cabinet Committee on Security.

'This is going to save at least a few months in the long-lasting defence acquisition process,' the sources said.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby JTull » 17 Feb 2017 00:19

Defence group Cobham takes huge writedown and warns it cannot forecast 2017 performance

This company now has a Market Cap of under £2bln. Time to pounce on this.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby brar_w » 17 Feb 2017 00:21

You can't simply be making deals with strategic national security providers in most of these cases just because they had a bad quarter. Why not go for IAI since it had a loss the past quarter? Even when deals are inked there are firewalls put in place to ensure that nothing of strategic importance or that was funded by CRAD or IRAD related to the host nation's national security apparatus is transferred or transferable . Case in point, BAE in the US. It as a company is a collection of General Electric, Lockheed Martin and a few other strategically important firms assets but the UK cannot use any of that technology or even built up systems whether that is the sensitive technology going into F-22 or F-35 Electronic Warfare suites or the EM railgun. There is a firewall between and it is closely monitored and regulated.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby JTull » 17 Feb 2017 01:33

Perhaps full access to tech is not available and such firewalls are in place.

But it will it will allow license manufacture, ensuring timely delivery of what we contract with them.

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby brar_w » 17 Feb 2017 01:56

You don't need to acquire interest in a company if you want to licence manufacturer a product from it. For that you need a well laid out, solid business case and government approval from the host nation. Timely delivery is a function of contract negotiations and having penalties in place that protect the buyer. It comes down to drafting proper contracts and enforcing them in case a vendor does not perform as per the signed agreement.

But hey two heavyweights posted recent losses. IAI last year, and RR announced a pre tax $4.5 Billion loss :)

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Re: Military Acquisitions, Partnerships & Developments

Postby JTull » 17 Feb 2017 03:12

RR was a one time charge due to FX (GBP has weakened a lot since Brexit vote). Except a slight overhang of A-380 engine issues it's a sound company.


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