CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby atreya » 20 Aug 2011 21:13

The martyred officer is Lt Navdeep Singh of Ordnance Corps and serving in 15th Battalion of Maratha Light Infantry. May God bless his soul and take care of his family! :(

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Postby RoyG » 22 Aug 2011 08:17

Encounter currently in Kupwara.

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Postby Aditya G » 23 Aug 2011 01:48

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/web1/11aug23/news.htm#2

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ntercepts gathered by the Army on the Line of Control (LoC) as well as some other militancy-prone areas indicated that after the killing of Salman Gujjar, Shah Din Khandey and other top commanders of the two outfits, the militants have been asking for induction of more cadre from Pakistan.

Sources said initially the Pakistan Army had been resorting only to ceasefire violations but making no serious attempt to push the militants. However, during past few days, it has been observed that Pakistan Army had made serious attempts to push militants into this side from Krishna Ghati, Mendhar and Keri sectors of Poonch and Rajouri districts.

"The recent attempts by Pakistan Army to push militants under the cover of firing on the LoC in Poonch and Rajouri were very serious. The militants had come close to the fence and Pakistani forward posts were directly involved in facilitating intrusion bids. The Pakistani troops were clearly giving cover to the militants to infiltrate but they failed due to heavy retaliatory firing brought down by the troops from this side’’, they added.

They pointed out that in one of the recent infiltration attempts along Mendhar Nullah in Balnoi area of Krishna Ghati sector in Poonch district, the militants, who escaped back after firing from the Army posts, were clearly visible taking shelter in forward posts of Pakistan Army. They were also seen dragging body of one of their dead and an injured colleague to the Pakistani posts.
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Postby Nihat » 23 Aug 2011 01:55

I wonder why such events as the one where terrorists are taking shelter in forward posts of TSP not video graphed with high def cameras and later telecast on prime time Indian television , not to mention youtube, facebook and paki blogs. Would be excellent for psy-ops.

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Postby VikB » 23 Aug 2011 13:14

Better still- let us make it as std operation procedure to blast any paki post that directly supports such infiltration. Let us bring some pain to them.

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Postby sum » 23 Aug 2011 13:19

VikB wrote:Better still- let us make it as std operation procedure to blast any paki post that directly supports such infiltration. Let us bring some pain to them.

Any other sane country would have done the same and shifted the blame onto the party which as supporting the turds in first place.. Only we will keep thinking about "log kya kahenge" even as the pigs are being dragged to safety into TSPA bunkers within shooting range of our guns.

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Postby Aditya_V » 23 Aug 2011 13:40

Nihat wrote:I wonder why such events as the one where terrorists are taking shelter in forward posts of TSP not video graphed with high def cameras and later telecast on prime time Indian television , not to mention youtube, facebook and paki blogs. Would be excellent for psy-ops.


But would be against Aman ki Asha policy being followed by the Media right now.

Besides why do we have to show restraint for ceasefire violations. Any ceasefire violation should escalate, like Vikb sugested.

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Postby Airavat » 24 Aug 2011 07:18

Even as the Gurez operation continued Pakistan made another bid at launching terrorists, this time in Jammu region.

Intrusion bid foiled, 60 kg RDX, rifles, grenades haul in Reasi

Official sources said troops of 13 Raj Rifles observed movement of a group of four militants trying to reach close to fencing on the LoC after being launched from Pakistan Army’s Jhanda Post at 2.15 am today. Troops monitored movement of the militants through Night Vision Devices before opening fire to neutralize them.

A day before, four militants had made an intrusion bid in Balnoi area of Krishna Ghati sector in Poonch district. One of them was killed and another injured while two others had safely returned to PoK.

Prior to that, the militants had made infiltration attempts in Mendhar, Krishna Ghati and Keri sectors of Poonch and Rajouri districts. The intrusion bids have been foiled by the troops.

According to sources, there have been heavy presence of militants across the LoC in launching pads and forward posts of Pakistan Army opposite the infiltration points in twin border districts of Poonch and Rajouri.

They said the upcoming days could witness more infiltration attempts from across the LoC.

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Postby rahul_r » 24 Aug 2011 07:57

Video of a terrorist being killed before being pulled out the rubble of a demolished house. Appears they RPG'd the house after exhausting all options.

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES [NSFW]

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... ant/208736

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Postby Dmurphy » 24 Aug 2011 10:20

^^ That piglet deserved it for what he was there to do.

Having said that, I won't blame the news channel in giving it a humanitarian twist as they're trained and paid to do that. Its for everyone to judge for themselves.

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Postby Aditya_V » 24 Aug 2011 10:29

Dmurphy wrote:^^ That piglet deserved it for what he was there to do.

Having said that, I won't blame the news channel in giving it a humanitarian twist as they're trained and paid to do that. Its for everyone to judge for themselves.


The very same news channel ignores many items of stories of newsworthy interest like miltant atrocities, ISI atrocities in POK, Maoist atrocities, Private lives of COngress party leaders and on and on.

They had a choice, the went by thier ideology. CNN and BBC use a lot of jufgement in reporting Nato, Iraq, Libya and other operations.

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Postby Raja Bose » 24 Aug 2011 11:52

rahul_r wrote:Video of a terrorist being killed before being pulled out the rubble of a demolished house. Appears they RPG'd the house after exhausting all options.

WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES [NSFW]

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... ant/208736


Good to see the IA explicitly saying they have no mercy for foreign and paki terrorists. If any local terrorists remaining have even half a brain they should know what that means.

And who is that pen wielding idiot talking like this was some damned academic philosophical exercise rather than a life and death situation faced by our jawans every day and night???

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Postby Natt » 24 Aug 2011 12:32

Justice served. If they kill without mercy, they deserve none.

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Postby andy B » 24 Aug 2011 12:40

I really hope we see more of these encounters made public its the only way the message is going to get through to their thick brains hmph!

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Postby rohitvats » 24 Aug 2011 16:04

I still remember an old documentary from BBC which covered CI Ops in Valley. That was the first time I saw footage of CI Ops on TV where a Gurkha unit hunted down about 3-4 terrorists holed up in a village. One of the IA officer even spoke to the terrorist and asked him to surrender; a fellow from BBC was recorded all this.

When they interviewed the GoC-in-C of 15 Corps, he was quite explicit in his statement about treatment reserved for Afgans and Pakistanis and any of their ummah brethren. To paraphrase, " Kashmiris are our boys gone wrong. We will give them chance to surrender and mend their ways but Afgans/Pakis/Others have no business being in our territory. They will be shot dead, plain and simple. We will not take any prisoners amongst them".

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Postby Surya » 24 Aug 2011 16:28

The retards at NDTV should have balanced it by mentioning how many times injured militants have killed army men in their dying breath.

Talk to Army guys from the valley and they all have some memory of a dear colleague who was killed by dying turd

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Postby atreya » 24 Aug 2011 16:32

Rohitvats, any chance you can post the link of that documentary?

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Postby Gaur » 24 Aug 2011 17:50

A very interesting link on the recent encounter of the trapped militant.

http://zeenews.india.com/news/jammu-and ... 27511.html
Defence spokesman Lt Colonel J S Brar said Ehsan Bhai was a "foreign terrorist who was trying to inflict casualties on security forces even in that (trapped) state".

"He had a grenade in his hand and tried to carry out a 'fidayeen' type of attack on security forces," Col Brar said adding "he was killed in retaliatory action".


To be honest, even if the militant was devoid of any explosive, my joy at the pig achieving his 72 wouldn't have been any less. But the fact remains that the official statement of IA did mention that the pig was carrying a grenade.

So, I find this link highly interesting that nearly every news outlet seems to have conveniently left out this official statement from their respective reports. Among all the links that I have gone through, this is the only link that I came across which carried this Official statement. It just shows how far the media has fallen. It is saddening to see how low can media go just for the sake of achieving a more controversial article.

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Postby Surya » 24 Aug 2011 17:59

thanks Gaur

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Postby merlin » 25 Aug 2011 18:10

Gaur wrote:It just shows how far the media has fallen. It is saddening to see how low can media go just for the sake of achieving a more controversial article.


Make no mistake - this is not sensationalism. This is pure and simple another attempt to show the Indian armed forces in a poor light which the Indian English language media (both print and TV) attempts to do often.

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Postby Aditya G » 26 Aug 2011 00:50

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GUREZ, KASHMIR, INDIA - AUGUST 20: An Indian Army soldier guards the line of control, the line dividing Kashmir between India and Pakistan after the Indian Army killed 12 suspected militants on August 20, 2011 in Gurez, Kashmir, India.

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GUREZ, KASHMIR, INDIA - AUGUST 20: Indian Army soldiers stand guard in front the ammunition and bodies of suspected militants killed by the Indian Army on August 20, 2011 in Gurez, Kashmir, India.

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GUREZ, KASHMIR, INDIA - AUGUST 20: An Indian Army soldiers displays a Pakistani note recovered from the body of one of the suspected militants killed by the Indian Army on August 20, 2011 in Gurez,

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An Indian paramilitary trooper with a sniffer dog patrols Chandanwari, 115 kilometers southeast of Srinagar, during the annual Hindu pilgrimage to the holy cave shrine of Amarnath on June 29, 2011. A three-tier security arrangement with the deployment has been put in place for the pilgrimage.

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Postby BajKhedawal » 26 Aug 2011 04:29

^^^

In the third pic, I am assuming the items on display were found on the person of the pigs. What kind of food ration were this saur's carrying?

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Postby Shrinivasan » 27 Aug 2011 10:04

Looks like pakis are desperate to push pig into India, not caring for losses.

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Postby Nihat » 27 Aug 2011 12:57

Shrinivasan wrote:Looks like pakis are desperate to push pig into India, not caring for losses.


Desperation has only been brought about by massive losses in a past couple of years. Commander after commander have fallen like 9 pins and none of the others have been able to breathe air in Indian territory leave alone establish militant activities. Terrorism in Kashmir is no longer on it's last legs, in fact it's been severed from the head.

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Postby Shrinivasan » 28 Aug 2011 00:07

Another critical development is lack of co-operation by local, let alone involvement. Tis has lead to over reliance on outsiders. This coupled with decapitation of leaders is hitting morale and increasing desperation.

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Postby skher » 28 Aug 2011 03:32

Shrinivasan wrote:Another critical development is lack of co-operation by local, let alone involvement. Tis has lead to over reliance on outsiders. This coupled with decapitation of leaders is hitting morale and increasing desperation.


Pakistani economy is also not doing great.Foreign funding iserratic.Troops busy defending 40 per cent of own territory, so best talent to train and rain militants also limited.Hence, Kashmiri separatist support is weak (no genuine money=dollars to purchase support,otherwise tired) as well as territorial threats loom large within.So Hands full.

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Postby Shrinivasan » 29 Aug 2011 19:52

skher wrote:Pakistani economy is also not doing great.Foreign funding iserratic.Troops busy defending 40 per cent of own territory, so best talent to train and rain militants also limited.Hence, Kashmiri separatist support is weak (no genuine money=dollars to purchase support,otherwise tired) as well as territorial threats loom large within.So Hands full.
BEWARE, these sort of desperate times germinate "tactically brilliant" plans in the Jernails. With Uncle prowling the neighborhood, desh's hands will be tied in knots. MMS will be at his dithering best and WKKs would go on a full throttle about restraint. This MFN status could be a red-herring like Lahore.

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Postby RamaY » 29 Aug 2011 20:39

rahul_r wrote:WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES [NSFW]

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... ant/208736


The key words for me is "The same bearded guy". Looks like this guy is identified during the encounter.

There is no guarantee that this guy is not having a suicide-west and could harm the soldiers when taken out.

In such situation the distance between life and death is split second. If a soldier thinks before shooting, he would be dead before shooting his weapon.

Army showed its reflexes and it is good for the nation. They are not police force, to do months/years of investigation before shooting a militant.

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Postby SRay » 30 Aug 2011 11:31

This video is the end of a major operation for which we do not know the details. And the IA is showing PR incompetence by failing to give the full flow of events. The finding of the grenade should have come out right away and should have been the first thing they said to the press. I am neither surprised nor appalled by the reaction of the media.

I suspect that there is still more to the story that the IA is failing to articulate. The soldiers in this event obviously did not RPG a building if there were any civilians in there. So they had the militant cornered and knew he would be the only one inside. That suggests to me that he was asked to surrender previously: capturing him alive would no doubt prove to be an intelligence gem. I'll bet he either declined to surrender or failed to respond, thereby giving up the option to end the engagement peacefully and signaling malicious intent. Thus, when they found him alive in the rubble, they took immediate steps to end the confrontation based on the course of events the militant had himself triggered.

Long story short, the video can be naively taken to be damning, but it is a small part of a long engagement and is out of context, imo.

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Postby Prabu » 09 Sep 2011 15:11

RamaY wrote:
rahul_r wrote:WARNING: GRAPHIC IMAGES [NSFW]

http://www.ndtv.com/video/player/news/c ... ant/208736


The key words for me is "The same bearded guy". Looks like this guy is identified during the encounter.

There is no guarantee that this guy is not having a suicide-west and could harm the soldiers when taken out.

In such situation the distance between life and death is split second. If a soldier thinks before shooting, he would be dead before shooting his weapon.

Army showed its reflexes and it is good for the nation. They are not police force, to do months/years of investigation before shooting a militant.


He is a paki trained militant. What do shame less NDTV expect to be done to them ?? give them biryani at jail ??? like Ajmal kasab ? Such terrorist sympathesisor ba$tard$ are India's number 1 enemy ! A TERRORIST AND ALL HIS SUPPORTERS AND PEOPLE WHO FEED THEM AND HELP THEM TO HIDE, DESERVED TO BE KILLED, AT FIRST SIGHT !! JAI HIND ! JAI JAWAN !

Even OSAMA BIN LADEN was killed when he was un armed ? will NDTV, traitors will blame uncle for that ???

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Postby Gaur » 09 Sep 2011 16:53

SRay,
The Army had clearly stated the grenade part in the official press conference. If the press chose to selectively quote the PR officer and emit crucial details for the sake of sensationalism, then what do you want Army to do?

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Postby Aditya G » 12 Sep 2011 01:19

timely article from The Week assessing the ground situation:

http://week.manoramaonline.com/cgi-bin/ ... &BV_ID=@@@

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While the rest of the country may have several admiring adjectives for the Indian Army, in Kashmir, there is only one: menacing. Here, the Army vehicles never travel solo, the convoy quorum is three, the regular strength around 15. This is just one of the small legacies of the troubled two decades that both the Army and Kashmir have seen.
Today civilian traffic moves alongside the convoys. Earlier, however, the roads were cleared every time the Army stepped out. “There would be a soldier on the perch of the opening vehicle brandishing a stick, warning everyone to get out of the way,” recalls an old-timer. Locals had to stop walking, their hands out of their phirans during winters, to show that they had no weapons. And there was a heavy price to pay if you overtook the convoy.

“In the 90s, we moved our convoys in an aggressive manner. We were routinely attacked, it was a tense atmosphere,” says Lt-Gen. Syed Ata Hasnain, 15 Corps commander-in-charge in Kashmir. Improvised explosive devices and bullet shots were a regular hazard, requiring road opening parties (ROPs)—armed troops and disabling technology—to ensure that the path was clear.

Even today, ROPs are sent out but not with the same intensity or frequency as before. Earlier, each vehicle in a convoy would be visibly heavily armed. Today, the arms are not brandished openly, except in the opening vehicle. “We are trying to tone even that down,” says Hasnain.

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Postby Raja Bose » 12 Sep 2011 04:31

This Hasnain guy is exactly someone we need as a COAS - very tough yet hands-on and completely in tune with local realities.

However, the 25K KIA figure in the above article sounds a bit dubious to me.

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Postby Rahul M » 12 Sep 2011 05:50

I found him impressive as well. I believe a LtGen has to command a geographical command or have a high ranking staff position like VCOAS before he gets the top job. does he have the required years of service left I wonder. he has already commanded a corps before.

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Postby alexis » 12 Sep 2011 11:46

A very nice and positve article by The Week...Kudos to the reporter and staff

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Postby prithvi » 13 Sep 2011 22:32

kashmirs-most-wanted-terrorist-killed-in-encounter

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/kashm ... herstories

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Postby sum » 14 Sep 2011 09:29

^^ So, Shri Unny finally meets his 72 after all the dodging for months...Had predicted 2 weeks back that his time would soon come. Hope you rot in hell with 72 male houris, Unny.

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Postby merlin » 14 Sep 2011 19:52

Rahul M wrote:I found him impressive as well. I believe a LtGen has to command a geographical command or have a high ranking staff position like VCOAS before he gets the top job. does he have the required years of service left I wonder. he has already commanded a corps before.


AFAIK if you are VCOAS then you won't be COAS. But your point still holds. Without army commander experience, you generally don't get to be COAS.

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Postby dinakar » 15 Sep 2011 17:49

Raja Bose wrote:This Hasnain guy is exactly someone we need as a COAS - very tough yet hands-on and completely in tune with local realities.


As per panwallah news he is being tipped to be the new Military Secretary..

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Postby vishvak » 15 Sep 2011 19:08

prithvi wrote:kashmirs-most-wanted-terrorist-killed-in-encounter

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/kashm ... herstories

From the same link:
Uni, a Pakistani resident, was behind some of the biggest attacks in the last decade in Northern Kashmir. He targeted security forces, political workers and civilians.


Read more at: http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/kashm ... stories&cp

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