CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Shameek » 23 Apr 2010 22:58

VijayV wrote:Using chopper is a simple option in direct assault. But afterward the out come will be shocking.


Why will it be shocking?

If naxalites can have body armors, Assault rifles why cant man-pad or any other anti air weapons. And if they fail to use against securities force chopper, then they will be going to use it against civilian/VIP aircrafts


Most of what they have is what has been looted from the security forces. This was brought up once before and there is no indication so far that they have any AA weapons. And even if they do, it would not stop us from using helicopters if the need arose. Would'nt you rather they targeted a military chopper which is ready for combat and maybe can fight back/evade than some innocent airline as you mention?

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Postby atreya » 23 Apr 2010 23:32

http://www.risingkashmir.com/index.php? ... 4&Itemid=1

posted by Tejas.P in the IA Discussion thread

I would like to bring it up here for discussion. The CRPF has been accused of poor training in media, and even in this forum. If its "poor training", how come CRPF is replacing the Army in its roles? Why is there such a glaring discrepancy in matters of training? Why are some CRPF jawans low on morale and training and scared to step out of their camps (those in Naxal areas) while their counterparts in J&K are confidently replacing the Army?

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Postby Prem Kumar » 24 Apr 2010 02:22

ASPuar wrote:Air power cannot be used simply because it will make *some* difference. You concede that there could be IFF issues, yet you say that it doesnt matter.


We lost an entire company. How much worse could it get? If the deployment of a gunship even saved a few more lives, it is totally worth it

You say Dantewada firefight zone was not occupied, yet you agree there were villages nearby. You know, Im sure, that from firefight zone to villages is a matter of a couple of seconds flight. Identification issues are crucial.


Its a couple of seconds flight if you are using a fighter jet. I thought I made it clear that I was talking about a gunship, which can hover over the area and provide covering fire

During an ambush, who will direct firepower? The Dantewada jawans were caught in the open, in a trap where contact explosives had been deployed in all covered areas. They were dying in their dozens within minutes. Is the more prudent investment not to make sure that they are trained NEVER to get into such a situation in the first place?

Counterinfiltration Air-Power in the J&K border is of course out of the question, because of almost certain attacks by PAK air defence, and the specter of escalation.


ASPuar: there will never be a NEVER. We have all seen cases where even well trained troops like the SF get caught in an ambush and suffer casualties. If the option of air-power prevents/minimizes these casualties, why would we be opposed to it? Also air-power is not just for support during an ambush - it is also pro-active. For hunting & setting up ambushes.

Bottomline: we can argue till kingdom come on *how much* difference a gunship would have made in the Dantewada incident. That's missing the larger point - viz. we need to give our forces the *option* of using air-power. Let the troops on the ground make the decision on the nature/type of air-power required on a case-by-case basis. Maybe they call air-support during an attack on a CRPF camp - maybe they dont. That's their decision (with some well defined chain of command and engagement rules). Why would we foreclose this option for our troops, citing moral reasons?

I agree with you about better training for the CRPF. But better training doesnt preclude air-power or vice-versa

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Prem Kumar » 24 Apr 2010 02:57

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Prem Kumar Pray, where will you find 200 Maoists bunched up and offering themselves to an LGB???


I already mentioned - training-camps

1. Maoists move in groups of 4-5 or max 10-20. During all attacks, big or small, they do not gather at the ambush site in droves. They gather a few km away from the point of ambush and then start walking in sections. By the time they are all grouped together it is too late to call an air strike. The bulk of the PLGA members who attacked Nayagarh (Orissa) in 2008 walked two nights all the way from Dantewada.


When they attack a CRPF camp, the firefight usually lasts a few hours. Enough time to call in air-support. Once again, as stated in my reply to ASPuar just above: let us give our jawans the *option* to call in air-support. Let it be their judgement call based on the ground realities. Let it not be based on our moral qualms.

2. As ASPuar sir said, we cannot use airpower because it will have 'some' effect.


In my opinion, even if the airpower saved 2 more jawans, it would have been worth it.

3. Your point 3 is hilarious. If the Maoists had seen a gunship, they WOULD NOT have run away. Don't take them for fools. They are very very well trained. They would have moved closer towards the jawans knowing that the chopper would not fire for fear of hitting our own men. Every footsoldier knows there is no escape from a helicopter gunship. They fear it more than tanks. There is nowhere to run if a chopper is after you. So, 'scattering' is no use.

The rest of the points, I have nothing to add after ASPuar sir.


Ok - let them be very very well trained. As stated in my reply to ASPuar, the sudden appearance of a gunship would have introduced an element of surprise in our favor. Would that have resulted in less CRPF casualties or more? At any rate, how much worse could it have gotten in the Dantewada incident?

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Postby Tejas.P » 24 Apr 2010 03:18

Atreya, the parameters in guarding highways are different from actively engaging a well-trained enemy in unknown terrain. But that is not the issue here. The issue is are the CRPF getting the proper resources and support for tackling maoists. The CRPF units deployed in Naxal hit districts have been given minimal infrastructural support by the state and they lack the proper intelligence. I believe the official probe of the Dantewada massacre came out today (story posted by Nihat in this thread) and the probe solely blamed the lack of intelligence for the disastrous event. However, the CRPF in Kashmir and the units posted there have been actively assisting the army since the militancy began (years ago) and have been given the proper support for maintaining law and order there. Therefore, the CRPF troops in Kashmir have experience and they maintain an excellent acclimatisation program for new recruits that are attached to Bns. there. In addition, this process of replacing Army units with CRPF or J&K Police has been one of a gradual transition and has been done very delicately making sure that the incoming units have the proper organization and training to do their jobs.

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Postby Samay » 24 Apr 2010 08:36

I think IAF wont lay its hands into this unless given full authority over ops, they certainly cant do that being dictated by a lungi .
As per the result of it, that depends upon how accurately operations were conducted . In this scenario where information is rare and costly the defence forces would like to have full authority ,and whether they have to use weapon A or B should be left up to them to decide.

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Postby Prabu » 25 Apr 2010 00:57

atreya wrote:http://www.risingkashmir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22714&Itemid=1

posted by Tejas.P in the IA Discussion thread

I would like to bring it up here for discussion. The CRPF has been accused of poor training in media, and even in this forum. If its "poor training", how come CRPF is replacing the Army in its roles? Why is there such a glaring discrepancy in matters of training? Why are some CRPF jawans low on morale and training and scared to step out of their camps (those in Naxal areas) while their counterparts in J&K are confidently replacing the Army?


Valid question, Any Guru would like to answer ?

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Postby vivekmehta » 25 Apr 2010 18:49

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/apr/25/two-terrorists-cops-killed-in-punjab-encounter.htm

not a good news silence have been broken after a long time in Punjab. though there have been some underlying activities reported in past but this is bit worrisome . ISI definitely wants to open a third front for us.


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Postby Aaryan » 29 Apr 2010 02:16

Prabu wrote:
atreya wrote:http://www.risingkashmir.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=22714&Itemid=1

posted by Tejas.P in the IA Discussion thread

I would like to bring it up here for discussion. The CRPF has been accused of poor training in media, and even in this forum. If its "poor training", how come CRPF is replacing the Army in its roles? Why is there such a glaring discrepancy in matters of training? Why are some CRPF jawans low on morale and training and scared to step out of their camps (those in Naxal areas) while their counterparts in J&K are confidently replacing the Army?


Valid question, Any Guru would like to answer ?





A) The reason for that is its only in recent few year the CRPF is emerging as a C-I force. And when they move into an area, which was previously held by Army or BSF, they don’t have to start from scratch. Normally they get well instituted defence mechanism, some support of local intelligence, rest they have to develop them self and good support of central intelligence agencies . But when they are placed in anti naxal operation they game changes drastically, here they have to start from scratch, they don’t have training for juggle guerrilla warfare, most of the times they don’t get training as company, many times jawans are trained separately from officers, this creates problem during operation. Also aallow me to quote from my old post here “Provide proper housing, and other basic amenities to them. If you have watched the state of the camps of CRPF in Dantewada, you will know what I mean. They even don’t have proper drinking water facility. Water pumps are there but no electricity, cant we provide them with couple of heavy duty generators. Also almost none of the brave jawans who laid there life in Dantewada had proper bullet proof jacket. Are they more costly then the life of our brave jawans, lets face it no war can be won by having accountants as generals, and it’s a WAR now.”

B) They face the problem of local geography and language. They get least support from local administration and local police. Also local intelligence is very very poor. So we need to and let me quote again “Create an additional post of S.P operation in each dist, who will be in charge of anti naxal operations. Induct SPO who are picked from local population as local guides and intelligence operatives with local CRPF companies so that they wont face linguistic and intelligence problems. This wont solve all the problem but at least we there will be a start. Otherwise how come its possible that more then 500 Naxals move in from different states with heavy weapons and no one got any whiff. Why is Dist police so inefficient, if it would not have been statement from Home minister itself, the Dist police categorically denied that it had any prior information about the movement and operation of CRPF company”

C) Third problem they face is too much work. They get a cooling period of mostly 3-4 months after 3-4 years. One day they are in J&K, next day in N.E, then they are doing election and law and order duty, and then they get involved in anti naxal operation ( for which neither they are trained properly, nor do they have infrastructure)

There is basic difference between CT ops and anti naxal ops… They are ready for CT ops but not for anti naxl ops.. At lest not right now..
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Postby ASPuar » 29 Apr 2010 14:22

vivekmehta wrote:http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/apr/25/two-terrorists-cops-killed-in-punjab-encounter.htm

not a good news silence have been broken after a long time in Punjab. though there have been some underlying activities reported in past but this is bit worrisome . ISI definitely wants to open a third front for us.



Coupled with this news, its even more sinister:

http://www.zeenews.com/news618670.html

India asks Canada to monitor Khalistan activists

Tuesday, April 13, 2010,

Washington: Two months before the 25th anniversary of the mid-air bombing of Air-India flight Kanishka, India has asked Canada to monitor the escalating activities of Sikh separatists in that country when Indian Prime Minister Manmohan Singh met his Canadian counterpart Stephen Harper.

In his 30-minute meeting with Harper on the sidelines of the Nuclear Security Summit at Walter E. Washington Convention Centre Monday evening, Manmohan Singh conveyed his concerns over the surge in activities of Sikh separatists in Canada.

Manmohan Singh conveyed India's continuing concerns over the activities of terrorist organisations in that country, Vishnu Prakash, the spokesperson of External Affairs Ministry, told journalists here after the talks.

Manmohan Singh hoped that the activities of these organisations will be monitored and curbed, said Prakash.

India has noticed a resurgence of pro-Khalistan elements in Canada recently and has alerted the Canadian authorities about it many a time.

Bureau Report

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Postby Vivek Raghuvanshi » 30 Apr 2010 15:40

Arms racket busted: CRPF men held for selling arms to Naxals :evil:

http://www.zeenews.com/news623163.html

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Postby Gaur » 30 Apr 2010 15:57

Even more worrying part is that it may not be a one off incident.
Quote from above posted link:
Confirming the raids and the subsequent arrests, Director General of UP Police, Brij Lal, said that the police fears that the network of the racket was large and has been running for more than six months and that the arrested men are being questioned about the possibile of involvement of more persons.


Also:
The STF zeroed on the CRPF men after investigations into the Dantewada massacre, in which, ironically, 75 CRPF men were brutally massacred by the Naxals, revealed that the ammunition used by the ultras was supplied to troops in UP.

:evil:

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Postby pmund » 30 Apr 2010 17:28

Very very disturbing news. But I have my doubts if the jawans filched from the inventory/armoury as the zee news says. It is almost impossible, considering the weapon counts and everything that is done perdiodically. My guess is the weapons could have been diverted from the 'condemned section' where units send their defunct weapons to be approved for destruction. If it is indeed true, it is a very alarming issue indeed.

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Postby Vivek Raghuvanshi » 30 Apr 2010 17:54

Our great Indian leadership ie politicians and bureaucrats have set a very fine example for our johnnies to follow.

Ironical isn't it, that NO POLITICIAN or BUREAUCRAT gets BANNED / DISMISSED from service for Corruption :twisted:

The ROT on the top sets a very fine example for johnnies to follow.

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Postby Gerard » 02 May 2010 18:11

Maoists block supplies to CRPF; Ch'garh Police drags its feet
A camp in Chintalnar comprising two to three companies of 62nd battalion of CRPF, one of which was wiped out by Maoists on April six, have had their supplies aidropped two days back as the state police refused to accompany the paramilitary force in reaching there, official sources said.

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Postby Tejas.P » 02 May 2010 23:32

An interesting article I found from the Delhi-based think-thank, Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS). The author calls for a complete change in the strategy book on the Naxalite menace.
"India needs new manual on Naxals" by Rohit Singh

The Naxal threat has grown steadily but subtly, and unchecked by commensurate counter-action its severity now surpasses the capabilities of the current strategy, which does not have all stakeholders on board. The state cannot succeed simply by trying harder: it must now adopt a fundamentally new approach. An insurgency as long-drawn as the Naxal one cannot be solved by merely pushing in more paramilitary forces nor by using “kinetic forces” of the Army alone for it is a war hijacked by vicious anti-state forces exploiting the weakness of state institutions, and the malign actions of power — brokers, widespread corruption and abuse of power by various vested interests — give people little reason to support their government and, instead, provide cannon fodder to Naxal “elites”, “intellectuals” and sympathisers to drive deeper wedges between the aggrieved population and the state. Meaningless security actions hurt the people, deprived as it is because of lack of economic opportunity.

“Don’t mess with our control of the interior of the country” is the strategic message coming out of the Dantewada massacre. For a state that aspires to become a power and to a permanent seat on the United Nations Security Council, its “refusing-to-develop-country status” (85.7 per cent of its people live on less then $2.50 per day) is primarily owed to huge swathes of land out of the reach of state governance.

In examining why so many counter-insurgencies by powerful militaries failed against weaker “enemies”, noted military historian Martin Van Creveld advised that the “first and absolutely indispensable thing to do is to throw overboard 99 per cent of the literature” on the subject because most of it was written by the losing side.

The core of the strategy now advocated is the fight for the population which both the opposing forces are vying for, and therein lies the contradiction. Lethal or kinetic use of force is highly counter-productive and will mean a failed strategy. Non-application of forces, disjointed, indecisive action will prolong the insurgency, bringing more areas under Naxal parallel control (Naxal extortion on an all-India basis is Rs 1,600 crores, annually).

The most significant truth emerging out of Dantewada is that the Naxals have graduated from a guerrilla force to a “People’s Army”, having morphed into battalions, companies, platoons, intelligence and logistics departments with indigenous weapon- and improvised explosive device (IED)-manufacturing capacity. Having upgraded their mobile warfare capacities, they are gravitating to their next level of “positional warfare”, which is when they will attempt to capture territory, having already carved out “safe sanctuaries”.

The strategy is simple: with the Army in the lead to clear Naxalite strongholds/safe havens in and around the vicinity of remote population centres, the paramilitary and police follows in its wake to hold (areas cleared) and then deny access to Naxals to population centres. Then a civil administration is needed to build infrastructure, developmental projects, poverty alleviation programmes. Before launching operations in a given area, let the “enemy” know you are coming, such that the Naxals have the opportunity to either flee or fight. If they choose the latter they will concentrate more numbers to counter the offensive, inviting decimation, a counter-insurgent’s delight. If they flee, which most likely they will if the Army leads, they are separated from the population from which they feed. This will make them desperate and they will coerce the population for various needs, thus making their movement unpopular, slowly but surely. Admittedly, this will be a slow process, but a few years will be a drop in the ocean of almost 40 years of insurgency.

This strategy aims at providing enough things (security forces) in enough places (strongholds) for enough time (so as to frustrate the Naxal capacity to fight for their “sea”, i.e., the population). A caveat, however: clear only those areas for which paramilitary forces are available to hold. In the order of priority, address key economic zones (as in Jharkhand coal fields) and population centres, including areas around them, choking off finances. For logistics, any insurgent is dependent on the population.

A constant media flow of information on the course of “clearing operations” will take away the propaganda tool from the Naxal activists and sympathisers who can constantly be reminded that the choice to fight or flee has already been given to the Naxal. The biggest danger this operation will face is the IED threat for which huge Army resources will have to be pooled, as was done in the operation in Nowzad, Afghanistan.

The strategy of letting the “enemy” know that you are coming will raise many an eyebrow, but then let it be remembered that 99 per cent of counter-insurgencies have failed because of the failure to resort to “out-of-the-box” thinking.

The use of the Army will again raise a hornet’s nest. But this is a novel way of using it, and only for “clearing operations”. When the paramilitary imbibe the nuances of such operations by on-the-job training, the use of the Army may be dispensed with for subsequent phases. A beginning has to be made with success. The Army is the way to begin to do it.

For once, India needs to act soon and act decisively. Increasingly, Naxals are colluding with jihadi elements. Additionally, a lot of poor people’s lives are dependent on early action. An iron fist in a velvet glove, rather than kinetic force which feeds the insurgency, is the answer.


The author is a research associate at CLAWS, the Centre For Land Warfare Studies, Delhi. In light of the news story posted by Gerard, this approach is looking more appealing.

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Postby sunny y » 03 May 2010 15:24

Four BMP jawans killed in Maoist attack

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/may/ ... attack.htm

Four Bihar military police jawans were killed and another was seriously injured when Maoists spayed bullets on a police patrol in Bihar's Aurangabad district on Monday, the police said.

The incident happened at Tandawa Bazaar area in the district when the BMP personnel along with the district armed police force were patrolling the area.

Six Maoists, armed with sophisticated weapons, indiscriminately fired at them, Superintendent of Police Sanjay Kumar Singh said.

Four BMP jawans were killed on the spot, while another was seriously injured, he said.

The ultras also looted five rifles and several rounds of ammunition from them before escaping, the SP said.
The entry and exit points of the district were sealed and a combing operation launched for the Maoists, he said.

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Postby ASPuar » 06 May 2010 10:48

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 895361.cms

Panel blames CRPF top brass for Dantewada
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Sounds like the DIG in charge of the Dantewada ops has been indicted by the EN Rammohan review panel. As have various district police personnel.

I am inclined to trust this report. EN Rammohan is a vastly experienced IPS officer, who has formerly been DG of BSF, and was also in the early stages of his career, an infantry officer in the Army, before transferring laterally to the IPS, as an EC/SSC officer. He is known for his professional acumen, and his honesty.

And, as suspected, it seems that the CRPF coy in the ops was disregarding all CI ops conventions, including by demanding hospitality from villagers, and siting themselves in the open.
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Postby ASPuar » 06 May 2010 10:56

http://news.rediff.com/slide-show/2010/ ... contentTop


CRPF dug its own grave in Dantewada.
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Postby ASPuar » 06 May 2010 15:29

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 898013.cms


Dantewada operation was thoughtlessly planned: Chidambaram



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Postby sathyaC » 09 May 2010 23:14

10 naxalites killed
http://www.breakingnewsonline.net/odish ... rissa.html
In a significant development, which will boost the morale of the security forces, at least 10 naxalites were reportedly killed in a massive gunbattle in Orissa's Koraput district.



The fierce anti-Naxal operation is still going on by Orissa Police's Special Operation Group (SOG) and Andhra Pradesh's Greyhound commandos. The operation was launched at Narayanpatna in Koraput district.



The SOG and Greyhound commandos launched the operation yesterday night in the dense forest of Narayanpatna, following a tip-off that around 40-50 naxals were hiding in a particular area.



The naxals fled after a fierce gunbattle that lasted for over four hours. The police have recovered a powerful claymore mine and a dozen kit bags left by the dead naxals. There were marks of the Naxals' bodies dragged away.

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Postby cbelwal » 11 May 2010 21:13

Unfortunately in India, patriotism is a burden expected to be carried only by the lowly masses.

Vivek Raghuvanshi wrote:Our great Indian leadership ie politicians and bureaucrats have set a very fine example for our johnnies to follow.

The ROT on the top sets a very fine example for johnnies to follow.

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Postby Vivek Raghuvanshi » 12 May 2010 10:27

Counter Insurgency Ops is a JOKE in India.

The politicians declare cease fire :evil:

I know, every time the politicians have to suck up to their vote banks :P

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Indi ... 918507.cms

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Postby pmund » 12 May 2010 16:56

Which is why the army is wary of getting drawn into the anti-Maoist ops. They have already had a bitter experience in Lanka and are apprehensive of getting into a ware zone where the priorities are political, not military or humanitarian. Maoists have always been used by political parties in Bengal, Jkd, Andhra, Chhattisgarh and Bihar for their narrow ends. Now, it's politically expedient to launch a campaign against them. The day the parties need to again befriend the Maoists (to wipe out political rivals or mop up extortion money for elections), they will wash their hands of the army without blinking an eye. And the army will be left on its own. Soon, accusations of rights violation will be engineered against the forces and the army will be trapped in a battle it can't win or can't get out of.

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Postby sumeet_s » 12 May 2010 22:05

Chhattisgarh: Jawan's blood saves Naxal's life

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/may/12/chhattisgarh-jawan-donates-blood-to-naxalite.htm

When a team under went to the area, the Naxals started firing at them to which the police team retaliated. Naxals soon fled the place, leaving behind an injured Chandrika Yadav, who was hit by a bullet in his waist, he said.

Yadav was taken to Ambikapur hospital in a critical condition where doctors asked them to make arrangements for 'O' positive blood. A jawan, Virendra Singh, offered to donate blood to the Maoist, allowing the doctors to save his life, he said.

Yadav is now out of danger and will be interrogated once the doctors give their permission, the officer said.

According to Thakur, Yadav is one of the hardcore Naxals and police had been hunting for him for long.


Don't know if this is the right thread to post this article.

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Postby Samay » 12 May 2010 22:50

Without sacrifice nothing could be gained, A jawan always sets an example for his country,be it saving life of an enemy if it serves the purpose.
Shame on maoists and politicians,who are the actors of this live drama, because of this common people are suffering in the red corridor.

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby atreya » 13 May 2010 09:25

sumeet_s wrote:Chhattisgarh: Jawan's blood saves Naxal's life

http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/may/12/chhattisgarh-jawan-donates-blood-to-naxalite.htm

When a team under went to the area, the Naxals started firing at them to which the police team retaliated. Naxals soon fled the place, leaving behind an injured Chandrika Yadav, who was hit by a bullet in his waist, he said.

Yadav was taken to Ambikapur hospital in a critical condition where doctors asked them to make arrangements for 'O' positive blood. A jawan, Virendra Singh, offered to donate blood to the Maoist, allowing the doctors to save his life, he said.

Yadav is now out of danger and will be interrogated once the doctors give their permission, the officer said.

According to Thakur, Yadav is one of the hardcore Naxals and police had been hunting for him for long.


Don't know if this is the right thread to post this article.


I applaud Jawan Virendra Singh for his selfless gesture and professionalism. Its hard to bring yourself to save someone who may have killed your mates and who tried to kill you. As Samay said, an enemy's life should be saved if it serves a purpose.
Kudos, jawan!

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Craig Alpert » 14 May 2010 23:19

65 kg of landmines unearthed in Dantewada
Securitymen in Chhattisgarh's Dantewada district on Friday unearthed 65 kg of landmines from two separate places in the Naxal-infested region.

Fifty kg of explosives were recovered from the national highway going from Gorkha to Bheji in the district by a joint patrol team of police and CRPF jawans, Amresh Mishra, Superintendent of Police told PTI.

Similarly, acting on another tip off, they unearthed 15 kg of explosives on highway going from Chintalnar to Mukran, he said adding efforts are on to defuse the landmine.

Earlier on May 10, police had unearthed 75 kg of landmine from two places in the district.

Chunk of CRPF jawans casualties in the state have been attributed to landmine blasts triggered by the Naxals.


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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby nits » 17 May 2010 19:20

Maoists strike in Dantewada again, 40 killed - http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/may/ ... killed.htm

Free for all; come and kill us. We are GOI; peace loving country... :twisted:

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Asit P » 17 May 2010 19:54

Time to give few canes to Arundhati Roy and her likes on their bu++s, and take some harsh steps against the Naxalites & their sympathisers.

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Singha » 17 May 2010 20:08

seems country paramils are short by 100K BPJs per multiple articles today. worst is CISF with 85% shortage. CRPF has a order for 60K but class-III which cannot stop the 7.62mm OFB Kirkee round that has been looted by the 1000s from raids by naxals. apparently class-III can stop the AK47 round , but its efficacy on Kirkee is not there and doubtful vs 5.56mm INSAS round.
some state police are said to have gone for class-III+ which can stop all three.

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Prabu » 17 May 2010 21:29

Rant deleted.
Moderator warning: do NOT use all CAPS while posting. Do NOT use abusive language, no matter how angry you are. I am not issuing a formal warning this time, but if there is a repeat in the future, I will.
Last edited by archan on 18 May 2010 18:31, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby AnimeshP » 17 May 2010 22:37

Prabu wrote:
Asit P wrote:Time to give few canes to Arundhati Roy and her likes on their bu++s, and take some harsh steps against the Naxalites & their sympathisers.


This is what so many people like me is telling all these days ! but who cares ! Even some of the forum members say DONT USE ARMY ! DONT USE AIR POWER ! FC*K ! if Defense CAN NOT protect the People, police, poor CRPF jawans , then what is the use of our 1 MILLION strong ARMY ?? GO buy bangles and give to all NAXAL AFFECTED STATE & GOI BABUS AND POLITICIANS ! SHAME ! :x

WAIT FOR SOME MORE TIME , TILL A CHIEF MINISTER OR CENTRAL MINISTER IS KILLED BY NAXALS ! THEN IDIOTIC CONGRES SARKAR WANT TO TAKE ACTION ! ??? :roll:

CRUSH THEM WITH MASSIVE FORCE ! CREATE UNACCEPTABLE DAMAGE TO THEIR DENS AND HIDE OUTS ! CREATE PANIC ! ARREST ALL KEY MAOISTS, POLITICIANS SUPPORTING THEM AND GIVE 3RD DEGREE TREATMENT. GET ALL FACTS ON WHERE AND ALL THE LAND MINES ARE CONSEALED. ( GET CONTRACTOR & CATCH THEM BY GOL*'S & REMOVE ALL LAND MINES FIRST WITH ONE ARMY GROUP. SIMULTANEOUSLY ATTACK NAXALS WITH AIR AND LAND ATTACK. THIRD GROUP SHOULD WORK WITH INTELIGENCE & COMMON PEOPLE. DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES ( SAMAM, PEDAM,DANAM, DANTAM ! ) GET TRUTH AND CRUSH !! AFTER SUCCESSFUL CRUSHING NAXALS, CALL FOR TALKS ( IF ANY ONE IS LEFT ALIVE)! IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW UP WITH MASSIVE DEVELOPEMENTS OF DEVELOPMENTS ! THIS SHOULD BE OUR STARTEGY.


The primary use of 1 million strong Army is to defend against external threats ... the CPOs have been raised with the specific intent of internal security. If they cannot meet their mandate, then its not the problems with the Army. For all those advocating using Army against the Naxals, please help me understand as to how this is supposed to operate. The Naxals are spread across multiple states ... So are we going to implement AFSPA in UP, MP, Bengal, AP, Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Maharashtra and Karnataka ???? Because without that the Army will face the same constraints as other CPOs do ...
Also, the army is as it is involved in CI ops in J&K and the North East ... so now a typical Infantry battalion spends 2-3 tenures in CI related ops, then gets posted to the borders for the actual job that the army is supposed to do (you know guarding the borders) ... The original rotation between alternate field & peace postings is already screwed up .. now we also add the burden of anti-naxal CI ops spread across the terrain I mentioned above ... when will the Army get time to exercise/ train for its primary ops ?? What happens if Pak and China decide to get adventerous while the Army is busy with all the counter-insurgency ops? Will CRPF and BSF go and fight against the Chinese or the Pakis??
All the CPOs are headed by IPS officers .. when the time comes for perks and pay and ranks, the IPS is all ready to grab everything ... but when it comes time to do the job, push it over to the army ... Army is not made of superhumans sir ... if you use it to solve every problem in the country, it will lose its effectiveness for the primary ops it is supposed to take care of ...
If everyone feels that the Army is the only org that can solve this issue, let them place the CRPF under Army (like Assam Rifles) ... Knee jerk reactions and railing as to what use is the Army will get us nowhere ... :evil:

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Samay » 17 May 2010 23:36

Do whatever is necessary ,where army/airforce are required send them,where local police force can do the job let them handle it, but dont just talk and create confusion against the right action.....

civil war situation will arise when politicians will let it happen,,

presently we know that naxal problem is so wide because of the support of some political sideliners(leftists and jholawalas) who are themselves confused and create confusion everywhere.

also there is a clear evidence of votebank politics being played by congress in these areas..they created similar kind of mess in punjab and J&K ,when those things which should have been controlled much earlier were ignored to the extent of explosion because of the votebank politics.....

It was very sad to see people debating about whether to give death sentence to kassab or not
such is the confusion created by jholawalas

so first take the jholawalas in the corner give them some good advice,each and every one of them, and then tackle the mess .

I believe that naxals cant raise a strong front against the forces, if they dont get opolitical support in some way or other.

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby atreya » 18 May 2010 11:38

Prabhu, calm down. Revenge is a dish best served cold. Getting hyper and calling in the Army won't solve the problem. Rather, it'll create new problems. The Army's job is protecting borders and preparing for war. Let them do their job. You shift Army personnel from the border, it'll lead to more infiltration, which will only lead to more lives being lost. If we cave in to knee jerk reactions, people will be calling for carpet bombing of forests. You call in the Army and Air Force, it'll only lead to further escalation.
People wont be satisfied with that. They'll further call for carpet bombing of forests, use of foo gas, etc.!

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Prabu » 18 May 2010 12:23

The Army will be called in sooner or later ! You will see this happen !


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