CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

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Postby nits » 04 Aug 2010 17:30

Dantewada: All troopers safe; encounter on

A combined search party of Chhattisgarh Police's Special Task Force and Dantewada district police clashed with Naxals on Tuesday in the Gumiapal forests in Dantewada district.

Contrary to initial reports of security forces suffering heavy losses, a senior Chhattisgarh police officer told rediff.com, "All policemen involved in search operations in the Gumiapal forests are safe. There has been no casualty from our side. We have confirmed that they are still in the forest, and are on their way back."

"Some Maoists have been killed in the encounter. We are trying to ascertain the number of Maoists dead and get their bodies. The team is still inside the forest. We will know more when they come out," a senior intelligence officer said.

"Everyone in our party is safe. But the encounter is still going on. It is raining heavily and the firing is now only sporadic," Rajesh Kukreja, additional Superintendent of Police, Dantewada, told rediff.com.

Asked about the Maoists' casualty, he said, "We can confirm it only once the firing stops and a thorough search is conducted in the region."

Asked about earlier reports about some policemen were feared killed, he said: "I do not know. None of my officers gave out such information. We do not know which source the reports quoted. I can definitely say for sure that our entire forces are 100 per cent safe till now."

Asked how long it would take for the forces to come out of the forest, he said, "Once firing stops completely, they will make their way out of the forests. It is a 14 km trek, and in this weather, it will take at least five hours after firing has completely stopped."

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby vivekmehta » 04 Aug 2010 17:33

Dilbu wrote:

Wrong smiley dude. :evil:


Dantewada: All troopers safe; encounter on

All fine, but this is really negative PR . what the hell these press guys think that CPO's aer just Lambs who will be slaughtered just by the sight of naxals.

flow of information out of such hotbeds should be controlled .



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Postby sum » 31 Aug 2010 13:17

^^ Superb stuff. 9 hardcore turds cleaned up without a single injury to the forces!!!

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Postby Gaur » 31 Aug 2010 13:26


Very happy to read this. It is always extremely good to read when large no of pigs are sent to jannat without IA suffering any casuality.

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Postby jai » 31 Aug 2010 13:41

DRDO's blinding laser guns to be tested in Kashmir crowd control


Maybe its time for DRDO to unleash "bhootjolokia" Chilli grenades as well for crowd control.

I remember from my child hood days in upper assam, there used to be a Tamrind like local fruit that caused crazy itching if it touched you anywhere...maybe DRDO should target such stuff next and create strong itching creating sprays that can be mixed with water and sprayed on rioting crowds.

Or, create and use our own sound guns - a highly focussed/concentrated very high power sound wave of Himesh Reshmia songs targeted at rioting mobs.....

:wink: :wink:

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Postby vishal » 31 Aug 2010 21:27

6 Para loses a JCO in encounter

Extract: The ensuing gunbattle, which has been raging for nearly 20 hours now near Viji Nallah, resulted in the casualty of a Junior Commissioned Officer (JCO) Naib Subedar Mahindra Kumar of Six PARA, besides injuries to three others, they said.

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Postby Aditya G » 01 Sep 2010 22:22

New type of riot gear ...

An Indian paramilitary solider stands alert at a road block in Srinagar on August 28, 2010

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Postby sum » 01 Sep 2010 22:57

Good to see the poor security men being provided with a semblance of preotection and not been thrown to the mercy of the hooligans in the valley.

Hope that this gear becomes the standard across the country sinc the policemen really bear the brunt during riots etc due to lck of protection..

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Postby Surya » 01 Sep 2010 23:00

OMG but its ill fittng and helmet colour is diff :(

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Postby sum » 01 Sep 2010 23:03

But given that currently there is zilch protection, atleast a start has been made!! ( optimistic jingo onlee :mrgreen: :mrgreen: )

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby JE Menon » 01 Sep 2010 23:34

Pffff, look at the way the shoulder pad is hanging down because the fellow is so ill-fed and he has a bloody whistle hanging round his neck for god's sake, what is he a referee?

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby hnair » 02 Sep 2010 00:29

:eek: Dhalley! I see BRF's KAP battalion is spraying tear gas here and I too want a piece of that action meself. Wading in....


He has a great Darth Helmet, but why is he not wearing a Vader cape and where are the oakley/raybans to intimidate? Where is the camelback sippy cup?
And dont get me started on the lack of a credible NPA-sarttiphied mijjile shield :evil:

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Postby Jaeger » 02 Sep 2010 10:02

^^Clear evidence that IED planting is a conspiracy of the yeevil yindoos and has nothing to do with the bious birathers of the Talipan... :evil:

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Postby Dilbu » 02 Sep 2010 11:03

I am happy he has some helmet to protect his head from the stones. To hell with colours and all. We are SDREs, remember?

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Postby atreya » 02 Sep 2010 11:34

JE Menon wrote:Pffff, look at the way the shoulder pad is hanging down because the fellow is so ill-fed and he has a bloody whistle hanging round his neck for god's sake, what is he a referee?


He has a helmet too...what is he, a batsman?
And all that gear...hockey goalkeeper?

Frankly, it gets irritating how every endeavor to improve is mocked and thrashed. Being short and thin isn't "ill fed". It could be his body structure. That shoulder pad may be hanging down, but as someone once said here, a photograph captures an image in a fraction of a second. Based on the representation of a fraction of a second, one draws inferences about the whole lifetime. The new riot gear is overall good, in my opinion. Check this pic
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Regarding the helmet, check the chin strap. It seems tight enough. I am not sure about that part though. Atleast better than wearing biker's helmets, right?

Talking about referees and batsmen, I wonder what you would say about this
http://www.yorkdispatch.com/portlet/art ... Id=3083666

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Aditya G » 02 Sep 2010 21:53

atreya - above posts were sarcasm

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Postby Craig Alpert » 03 Sep 2010 04:16

While all is fine and Dandy +/- the sarcasm, one question haunts the mind, why the laathis?? A stun gun, heck even rubber bullets or tear gas launchers would more than suffice?? Not sure if Batons alone can control 100 + strong crowd hurling stones at you!

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Postby Dmurphy » 03 Sep 2010 07:51

Craig Alpert wrote: A stun gun, heck even rubber bullets or tear gas launchers would more than suffice??
What? They have to be there with all that you've mentioned everytime their pic is taken? As you see, there's no crowd trouble at the moment either.

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Postby atreya » 03 Sep 2010 10:57

Aditya G wrote:atreya - above posts were sarcasm


If so, my apologies to JE Menon. It wasn't my intention to belittle him or anything like that. I thought he was serious and got swept away by irritation. Nevertheless, the post can be a reply to other nitpickers.
JE Menon, sorry once again! :)

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Postby Craig Alpert » 03 Sep 2010 23:22

[quote="DmurphyWhat? They have to be there with all that you've mentioned everytime their pic is taken? As you see, there's no crowd trouble at the moment either.[/quote]

Rightly so, that's because @ present it seems like they are under curfew, or @least one can draw that conclusion from the above pic, what would you do if the crowd gathers?? If you suggest that they'd call for backup and wait until they get their gears :?:

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Postby Surya » 04 Sep 2010 00:16

ok put it another way- how do you know what tools the other men in his unit have??

Not everyone needs to have a machine gun do they??


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Postby jamwal » 07 Sep 2010 17:57

Cross post


I saw almost similar full body anti-riot suit in IndeSec Expo today. Manufactured by Applied Systems, it costs nearly Rs 14000 a unit and is in use with RAF and some police in some states . Provides good full body protection, including back from rocks, sticks, sharp edged weapons etc.

Both have straps to adjust to different body size. Please stop this :(( :(( over "ill-fed, thin" soldier. A much thinner mannequin had it on with everything in proper place. :P

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Postby Riza Zaman » 07 Sep 2010 21:16

Aditya G wrote:New type of riot gear ...

An Indian paramilitary solider stands alert at a road block in Srinagar on August 28, 2010

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Maybe he loosened the straps during his break - looks pretty warm. Ultimately, he knows what the suit is for and is entitled to wear it any damn way he wants.

Personally, though, I'd have kept the groin pad :eek:

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Postby Aditya G » 12 Sep 2010 10:41

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/arti ... ?prtpage=1

Fighting back
Supriya Sharma, TNN, Sep 12, 2010, 02.10am IST

He raises his rifle in the air, yelps "Bharat Mata ki jai", and hopes he will conquer the memory of that morning, five months ago.

In the early hours of April 6, the wireless crackled and CRPF's 62 battalion learnt that one of its companies had been ambushed by Maoists near Chintalnad in Dantewada. Havaldar Ravi Singh and 60 other men rushed to the spot as fast they could, crashing through the thick forest.

"It was beyond anything I could have imagined," he says now. At the end of the day, 75 bodies were pulled out, the single largest loss the CRPF — or any other security force in India — had ever suffered. "We still find it hard to believe," says Ravi Singh.

Five months later, as he completes a 45-day-long gruelling training course, Singh tries to shake off the crippling sense of fear that still haunts him. He is trying to move on. Like the rest of the CRPF.

This week, 200 of its jawans and officers, drawn from all battalions posted in Bastar, graduated from the Counter Terrorism and Jungle Warfare College in Kanker. The centre is headed by Brigadier B K Ponwar who trained the Indian army in the northeast before he was invited by the Chhattisgarh government to set up a specialized training institution for anti-Maoist operations.

The centre has famously turned many potbellied policemen into tough guerrilla fighters. In five years, 12,700 policemen from five states have trained here. So has the BSF and ITBP. But the CRPF chose to stay away, till June this year, when another Maoist ambush left 27 of its men dead. Then, the CRPF was spurred into sending its first batch for training.

"The decision was part of our attempt to restore confidence and rebuild morale," says a senior CRPF officer. "Two ambushes, a hundred men dead, the setback was huge."

It was big enough to prompt the CRPF to issue an order asking its men not to move out without permission from headquarters in New Delhi. It was an extraordinary order, unprecedented in its history, say officers, and not particularly wise. "How can those sitting in Delhi take decisions on what is needed on the ground? But perhaps it was felt that we could not risk any more casualties," says one officer.

The order was so well covered up that for weeks even the Chhattisgarh police did not know about it. It has only recently been modified. Instead of seeking permission for operations, now CRPF officers simply need to keep headquarters informed.

Another revised order, issued by the home ministry, relaxed the need for every operation to be carried out jointly with police and for police to be one-third of the force. The new order allows more room for field officers to exercise discretion. Security experts hope all of this will thaw out a force frozen in fear and doubt for five months.

But a senior CRPF officer is candid that credible and viable operations remain an ambitious thought. "In the short term, we simply want our men to move out in the area and make their presence felt."

The training at Kanker should help with that. "I had aged and lost my confidence," confesses a 50-year-old jawan. "But when I ran the KKM in less than 30 minutes, I felt I could take on the Maoists."

The KKM is the Kanker Kilometre and much longer than it sounds. It stretches over 4.5 km, meandering through the hills and brush on the campus, much like an obstacle course. It seeks to test the men in field conditions. Trainers say the weeks of training paid off. Their men were able to complete the KKM in record time. Strength and endurance went up three times. Responses became quicker. "As part of CRPF training, we were taught to fire with the right shoulder. Here we learnt how we can use both," says one jawan.

Brigadier Ponwar insists the training will have a trickle-down effect. "These men will return to their battalions and train others. The expertise will filter down to everybody."

A young CRPF officer adds bravely, "When accidents happen at the same spot on the highway, traffic automatically slows down, but not for always; things do get back to normal. Of course, I still can't tell my family I am posted at Chintalnad. The name itself will freak them out".

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Postby sum » 12 Sep 2010 13:24

A young CRPF officer adds bravely, "When accidents happen at the same spot on the highway, traffic automatically slows down, but not for always; things do get back to normal. Of course, I still can't tell my family I am posted at Chintalnad. The name itself will freak them out".

Heartfelt salute to such bravehearts from a desk bound IT-vity aam aadmi..



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Postby Airavat » 04 Oct 2010 05:18

Op Triveni: air support to COIN ops against Maoists
Operation Triveni is the code name for the Indian Air Force’s aerial support to the counter-Maoist Green Hunt offensive on the ground. it is probably inspired by the location of the Central Air Command that is in Allahabad.

The codification of the IAF’s counter-Maoist operation means that the force has created a separate budget for sorties that it flies to support central and state forces in Chhattisgarh, Jharkhand, Orissa and Bengal.

Under the rules of engagement for Operation Triveni, the IAF’s helicopters are equipped with side-mounted medium machineguns and are escorted by Garud commandos whose main task is to protect the IAF assets. The IAF has permission to fire in self-defence if fired at. But it is not authorised to use rockets and ground-attack weapons as yet.

In Operation Triveni, the IAF is tasked mostly for troops movement and casualty evacuation. Under Operation Triveni, co-ordinated by a group captain, IAF helicopters have so far flown 955 sorties, moved 6,282 troops and 95 tonnes of equipment.

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Postby Nihat » 06 Oct 2010 12:22

Hizbul Mujahideen militants killed in encounter

What is a Self-styled Divisional commander of a militant outfit

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Postby ParGha » 06 Oct 2010 16:51

Nihat wrote:What is a Self-styled Divisional commander of a militant outfit

The terrorists have a very, umm, liberal rank assignment policy. Any a-hole leading 12-15 idiots starts calling himself a battalion commander, which sounds impressive to anyone with general military knowledge (a standard battalion has around 600 men, Indian battalions are even bigger at around 900 men), but does not know much about these fellows. That is why the caveat must be added.

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Postby Aditya G » 12 Oct 2010 03:04

Airavat wrote:Op Triveni: air support to COIN ops against Maoists...
Under the rules of engagement for Operation Triveni, the IAF’s helicopters are equipped with side-mounted medium machineguns and are escorted by Garud commandos whose main task is to protect the IAF assets.....
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Tried finding pictures of Mi-17 gun mount ... ACM naik also mentioned in his recent interview to Barkha Dutt that the Hips were "not allowed to use their integral weapons", but only MGs manned by garuds (did he say bubble canopy?).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ntm-a_cstc-a/5006996589/

An Afghan aircrew man mans the port machinegun on an MI-17 helicopter

ZABUL PROVINCE, Afghanistan (Sept. 15, 2010) – An Afghan aircrew man, assigned to the Kandahar Air Wing (KAW), mans the port machinegun on an MI-17 helicopter.


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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discus

Postby Jagan » 15 Oct 2010 02:50

Aditya G wrote:
Tried finding pictures of Mi-17 gun mount ... ACM naik also mentioned in his recent interview to Barkha Dutt that the Hips were "not allowed to use their integral weapons", but only MGs manned by garuds (did he say bubble canopy?).


Recent Vayushakti videos have clips of Mi-17s attacking ground targets through cabin mounted MGs.

http://www.indianairforce.nic.in/vayush ... 20role.wmv forward to 2.40 mark (or 3.09) and you can see three MGs on one side, one firing through the door, two through the windows.


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