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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 03 Oct 2016 19:56

@Jamwal Sir - Is this the one you were referring to ?

The 105 ultra-light gun-GARUDA by Bharat Forge

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Here they have mounted it on a US HUMVEE

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And no, i am not asking for importing the TFTA HUMVEEs :D

A modified variant of the TATA LSV perhaps

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But perhaps all this is bordering on the regular artillery domain...

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Postby Gyan » 03 Oct 2016 21:56

105mm howitzers are very powerful equipment and cannot be issued down to Company level. I am trying to float the idea that quick reaction teams and bases down till company level should be protected by 106mm RCLs

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Postby jamwal » 03 Oct 2016 22:13

No "sir" please. This truck mounted 105 mm as well as one on a BMP chassis as well as one other system by some PSU. Admittedly they were prototypes and more like a proof of concept systems at the time, but the idea was interesting.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Dc2Wx4jR9F8/S ... MG2669.JPG

Specs:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Dc2Wx4jR9F8/S ... MG2670.JPG

More pictures from that expo

Images are not visible for some reason when using the tag, so posting links onlee.

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Postby deejay » 03 Oct 2016 22:31

Gyan wrote:105mm howitzers are very powerful equipment and cannot be issued down to Company level. I am trying to float the idea that quick reaction teams and bases down till company level should be protected by 106mm RCLs


I think, Syria, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya and similar wars are forcing armies the world over to rethink on the approach to a battlefield scenario. More often, these wars have seen organised forces face off myriad splinter groups with small ambush teams or fighting groups which tend to re-spawn very quickly. The enemy is not highly trained and neither is it concentrated for a single brutal attack to dismember the enemy.

Costly missile attacks do liquidate the fighters but that does not finish the war. Afghanistan and now Syria have shown the longevity of conflict and inability of superior weapons in finishing the war. Afghanistan has shown that war could go on for eternity at little cost to Taliban (or PA) in terms of money and a very heavy cost to US.

This forces the organised army to look at ways to reduce costs to sustain a long term war and still be able to engage the enemy before they reach close quarters.

A lot of weapons of WW2 vintage which were being discarded are and will make reappearances across the world. The RCL, 02/04 barrel - SUV mounted MBRLS, truck mounted arty guns in their various forms are all likely option.

I do not see IA, standardise on a single type. In different geographies, even IA will look at these older solutions in newer packaging plus whatever easy technology that can be added.

I am not sure how nimble are the IA and other decision makers who are responsible for such procurement so it may take time but IMO, it will happen.

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Postby rohitvats » 03 Oct 2016 22:40

shiv wrote:It's certainly not man portable but OFB still lists 106 mm RCL among its products
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wlc/2.htm

Its range is listed as 3 km - that is 3 times more than the man portable Carl Gustav. Like the L70 - I believe the 106 mm RCL still has niche uses in the army.


Shiv - the main role of RCL was in anti-tank ops. From what I know, it has been withdrawn from service and supplanted by ATGM in this role. The biggest draw-back of RCL gun was the plume it allowed to escape (that is what made is recoil-less) which easily gives away the location.

While infantry in plains was equipped with 106mm RCL guns, units assigned to Mountain Divisions were equipped with 57mm RCL guns. But scale of issuance was lower.

This was a man-portable weapon as well as crew-served. This again has been replaced by likes of Carl Gustaf in anti-personnel and for taking out stationary targets. Carl Gustaf is much lighter and has more powerful round.

57mm RCL gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amsIt3Unbvo

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Postby Aditya G » 03 Oct 2016 23:33

Hi Rohit,

In one of the recent Pak LoC videos, the coy commander there showcased RCL as one of their options. At what point did they develop application for it viz-a-viz Indian Army?

rohitvats wrote:
shiv wrote:It's certainly not man portable but OFB still lists 106 mm RCL among its products
http://ofbindia.gov.in/products/data/weapons/wlc/2.htm

Its range is listed as 3 km - that is 3 times more than the man portable Carl Gustav. Like the L70 - I believe the 106 mm RCL still has niche uses in the army.


Shiv - the main role of RCL was in anti-tank ops. From what I know, it has been withdrawn from service and supplanted by ATGM in this role. The biggest draw-back of RCL gun was the plume it allowed to escape (that is what made is recoil-less) which easily gives away the location.

While infantry in plains was equipped with 106mm RCL guns, units assigned to Mountain Divisions were equipped with 57mm RCL guns. But scale of issuance was lower.

This was a man-portable weapon as well as crew-served. This again has been replaced by likes of Carl Gustaf in anti-personnel and for taking out stationary targets. Carl Gustaf is much lighter and has more powerful round.

57mm RCL gun: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amsIt3Unbvo

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Postby Gyan » 12 Oct 2016 22:22

The main difference apart from weight between 106mm RCL and our present in use 84mm RCL is the Tripod on 106 or the stable firing platform which allows way more accurate firing. Firing an carl gastaf from the shoulder is a horrendous experience and akin to bomb going off near your ear. Though an alternative could be to develop a tripod for in service Carl Gustafs. For similar reasons, 75mm mountain gun and truck mounted Anti Aircraft Guns will also be useful. All these weapons need to pulled out of storage and used for QR teams and Base Security. I believe Army is interested in 12.7mm HMGs to mount on jeeps but OFB is unable to fulfill even 120 gun order.

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Aditya G » 13 Oct 2016 01:45

Gaurav Sawant:

http://www.dailyo.in/politics/indian-ar ... 13381.html

The Jammu and Kashmir Entrepreneur Development Institute (EDI) - the Pride of Pampore - has been hit twice by terror since February 2016 - first on February 21, when two terrorists hit a CRPF bus, killed two personnel and entered the premises. They permitted the civilians inside the building, including Hizbul Mujahideen terrorist Syed Salahuddin's son, to leave the premises. The army was tasked with clearing the building - the tallest in the area and a symbol of Kashmir standing tall on its feet.

Pampore has been frequently targeted by terrorists in the past few months owing to its prime location as the gateway to not only south Kashmir - the hotbed for infiltrators - but also Srinagar. In the aftermath of the attacks, the Jammu and Kashmir police has decided to cordon the EDI.

The building is the hub of skill development and draws budding talent from across the state of Jammu and Kashmir. It symbolises the future of the young generation in Kashmir - learning new skills and developing their entrepreneurship abilities. Therefore, it is clearly an eyesore for Pakistan, its Inter Services Intelligence (ISI), the terrorists and their proxies in J&K.

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The February army operation succeeded in killing both the terrorists, but victory came at an unbearable cost - two bright young captains and one non-commissioned officer of the special forces were killed during combat.

All three heroes - Captain Tushar Mahajan of 9 Para Special Forces, Captain Pawan Kumar of 10 Para Special Forces as well as Lance Naik Om Prakash - were experienced young combatants. But the pressure to clear the building forced an early intervention. The media glare, top commanders complain, was immense: wall-to-wall coverage on TV with questions being asked about the "delay in closure of Ops" were adding to the stress. Under pressure, the commanders on ground sought an early closure - add to this the anti-India slogans being chanted from across the Jhelum river.

The army had sought the enforcement of a two-kilometre tight cordon around the area of operations; in February, however, it was not put into place. Reinforcements were subjected to stone pelting. It was a different time in the Valley. The brave soldiers went into the building from multiple sides - without adequate preparation and appreciation of where the terrorists were holed up.

This time, however, the story was different - the Army was confident there were no hostages inside the premises and first cordoned the building and sealed the area. Given the situation in the Valley, no stone pelting and sloganeering was permitted. Even in the Valley the people know when the Army means business - they know what is in their interest. And this time the forces left no room for doubt.

After surrounding the building - the Army made one thing very clear - they were willing to tire the terrorists out. From Day 1, the word went out - this would not be an early operation. There would be no storming the building till the time the commander on ground thought it fit to enter. There was no pressure from either the generals in the superior headquarters or the civilian leadership.

The Army first drew fire to know where the terrorists were lodged. Human intelligence inputs seemed to indicate there were two terrorists, but the army still factored in the presence of at least two more. They fired at the glass windows to get a better look inside. Technological aides were deployed to know more about movement of terrorists inside.

The terrorists set one part of the building on fire hoping it would camouflage them, but it helped the Army restrict them. For two days, the army pounded the building using an assortment of small arms and grenades. At one point of time, the uninformed political quarters debated bringing the building down. But the Army would have none of it even though it is standard operating procedure in some instances.

They wanted to save the Pride of Pampore. The six-storied building has 10 rooms and 10 toilets on each floor, plus the attic. Each room had to be cleared with the standard drill: lob a stun grenade, fire, enter fire, check every nook and cranny and declare it clear. Several teams moved in and cleared the EDI room by room, floor by floor.

The Army succeeded in ensuring there was no casualty and the Pride of Pampore secured.

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Postby Aditya G » 14 Oct 2016 01:56

84th anniversary of Indian Air Force, the Anti-Naxal Task Force of IAF in Chhattisgarh

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Postby Aditya G » 17 Oct 2016 00:39

NSG @ Pathankot.

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Postby sudhan » 17 Oct 2016 22:31

Aditya G wrote:NSG @ Pathankot.


What are those canisters laid out on the pig's crotch? UBGL ammo? Also, aren't blue grenades inert, training rounds? Why would the pigs be carrying them around?

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Postby Aditya G » 17 Oct 2016 23:51

sudhan wrote:
Aditya G wrote:NSG @ Pathankot.


What are those canisters laid out on the pig's crotch? UBGL ammo? Also, aren't blue grenades inert, training rounds? Why would the pigs be carrying them around?


UBGLs: Correct.

There are 4-5 varieties of grenades in that pic including the blue ones.

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Postby JayS » 18 Oct 2016 23:33

Terrorist hideouts busted in J&K's Baramulla; China, Pakistan flags, letterheads of LeT, JeM recovered

http://zeenews.india.com/news/jammu-and-kashmir/terrorist-hideouts-busted-in-jks-baramulla-china-pakistan-flags-letterheads-of-let-jem-recovered_1941292.html

Srinagar: In a major success for the security forces, terrorist hideouts were busted in Jammu and Kashmir's Baramulla sector on Tuesday.

Other than recovering bombs, flags of China and Pakistan, letterheads of Pakistan-based terrorist outfits Lashkar-e-Toiba and Jaish-e-Mohammad were seized by the forces.


44 Rats arrested. Seems to be a sanitisation drive on grand scale. No media was allowed.

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Lalmohan » 18 Oct 2016 23:37

they might be flash-bangs

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Postby jamwal » 19 Oct 2016 00:20

44 in a single fell swoop ? What happened there ?

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Postby GShankar » 19 Oct 2016 00:33

jamwal wrote:44 in a single fell swoop ? What happened there ?


Probably someone who came with the doctors (those who did surgery) is singing.

Added later: OR may be these are the patients who we brought back and now formally bringing them out?

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Postby Aditya G » 19 Oct 2016 01:04

jamwal wrote:44 in a single fell swoop ? What happened there ?


It was a house to house search of 100+ houses.

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Postby Kashi » 19 Oct 2016 08:52

Aditya G wrote:
jamwal wrote:44 in a single fell swoop ? What happened there ?


It was a house to house search of 100+ houses.


I wonder if this was a semi-localised gathering for a sort of last stand before winter. Which is why so many gathered in vicinity. We may recall that during the recent piglet attack on the camp at Baramulla, it was reported that some piglets slipped away by hiding amongst the locals. I wonder if they too were apprehended in this operation.

Though not an entirely apt comparison, but it reminds me of the "semi-last stand" of the LTTE at Puthukudiyirruppu during the closing act of the war when LTTE were gasping for breath. A large number of senior LTTE cadre (combat and non-combat) were sequestered and eliminated in that action.

Lack of flash bang etc suggest that many of them may be handlers and coordinators. They are happy to egg the fidaayeen cannon fodder to die for the cause but will never put themselves in the harms way as evident by their meek surrender.

It's these who coordinate and egg the piglets and stone pelters to attack the state. I can only hope that their being taken out of the equation may have dealt a huge blow to piglet ops in J&K.


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Postby vinod » 31 Oct 2016 18:44

It will be encounter in the news for next few days... media has got something to run with.

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Postby Aditya G » 01 Dec 2016 03:08

Ajai shukla on jehadi:soldier ratio and perimeter security. Its worth a critical appraisal before an uninformed media circus starts on it like mig-21 crashes etc. If there is indeed a problem then lets analyse it for armies sake.

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.ie/2016/11/s ... s.html?m=1


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This is anathema for an army that frowns on a “kill ratio” poorer than four-to-six militants killed for the loss of each soldier. This success rate was maintained even during the most violent years in J&K.

In 1999, 270 soldiers were killed while 1082 militants were eliminated (1 : 4 ratio);

in 2000, it was 311 killed against 1,520 militants dead (1 : 4.9) ;

in 2001, a total of 408 army men laid down their lives while killing 2020 militants (1 : 4.9);

in 2002, 362 soldiers died while the army gunned down 1707 militants (1 : 4.75);

and in 2003, the price paid for eliminating 1,494 militants was 258 soldiers dead (1 : 5.7).

In the last three years, with militancy on the ebb and the army operating more lightly, the ratio was two-to-four militants killed for each dead soldier.

In 2013, 32 soldiers died, while killing 67 militants (1 : 2 ratio);

in 2014, it was 31 soldiers dead, while gunning down 110 militants (1 : 3.5);

and last year, 28 soldiers laid down their lives while killing 108 militants (1 : 3.8).

With army casualties on par with militant casualties this year, there is pressure to establish what has gone wrong. Even more worrying than casualty numbers is the jihadis’ success in Pathankot, Uri and Nagrota at breaching what should have been tightly guarded perimeters, and gaining access to the lightly guarded interiors of military establishments and camps. A brigade commander notes: “We were fortunate that the jihadis could do serious damage only in Uri”.

A fidayeen squad, which must attack from the open against sandbagged and protected sentry posts on the perimeters of army camps, should suffer heavy casualties while forcing an entry. That the militants entered unharmed in Pathankot, Uri and Nagrota speaks of poor siting of sentry posts and careless sentries.

Even more worrisome is the tactical sloppiness on the Line of Control (LoC) that allowed the bodies of several soldiers to be mutilated by militants or Pakistani soldiers . When soldiers leave their posts for patrolling or laying ambushes, they are at least a section, i.e. ten men. While adversaries can sneak across the LoC and ambush such a patrol, even cause casualties with an initial burst of fire, trained soldiers start fighting back immediately, according to basic infantry drills.

“Only in one situation can a patrol justifiably allow its dead or injured soldiers to fall into enemy hands --- and that is when every single member of that patrol is dead or badly wounded. Good soldiers do not leave comrades behind”, says a retired general.

In a healthy army, alarm bells would have rung long ago, with basic tactical standards being demanded and subordinate commanders disciplined. Instead, tactical booboos keep getting repeated.

In a vibrant military, the next level of oversight comes from its veterans who, in military culture, are custodians of tradition and professional standards. Unfortunately, veterans gloss over declining professional standards, focusing instead on demands for better pensions, salaries and status --- important issues, but secondary to professional proficiency.

On television, on Tuesday, senior officers downplayed the Nagrota fiasco. One general argued: “I think it is an admission on the part of Pakistan that the surgical strikes [of November 29] were successful.” Said another, on the question of lax perimeter security: “No matter how highly secure you are, [with militants] who are determined to kill and prepared to die, there is no hundred per cent defence against it… These attacks cannot be stopped at the target end, they can only be stopped at the source end.”

In fact, the truth is quite the opposite. India can do little to stop jihadis at the “source end”, i.e. Pakistan. Where the military can stop them is at the “target end” --- through better perimeter security, tactical drills and higher standards of accountability.

The final level of oversight --- the political leadership --- is the quickest to abdicate responsibility. Bharatiya Janata Party spokesperson, BVL Narasimha Rao, declared on television after the Nagrota attack: “I do believe that after a series of such attacks, we ought to do everything possible to secure ourselves; at least secure our military establishments. But this is not a political [responsibility]… It’s the army themselves… I think they are in a position to take any decision that they need to; they don’t require any government’s intervention in this.”

The government’s disinclination to get involved is remarkable, with tactical debacles like Uri having strategic effects, and creating an imperative for escalation that impacts India-Pakistan relations. At Uri, incompetent management of a camp’s perimeter defence forced the government to order “surgical strikes”. This had the potential for dangerous escalation, while ultimately doing little to deter Pakistani adventurism.

Ultimately, when the Indian Army enters full crisis mode, there is no doubting its ability and resilience. Kargil was an example when, in 1999, tactical and intelligence laxity were set aside and the situation recovered, albeit bloodily. In Pathankot, Uri and Nagrota, examples of individual competence partially retrieved situations that could have played out more damagingly. Yet, the army cannot afford to gift success to militants again. There remains the possibility that a windfall jihadi “success” --- such as the destruction of Pathankot’s fighter aircraft; mass casualties in Uri, or wives and children taken hostage in Nagrota --- could allow a four-man fidayeen team to take India and Pakistan to war.


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Postby rkhanna » 01 Dec 2016 11:37

I Dont agree with 100% of what he is saying. Insurgents will not necessarily attacked sandbagged positions and we dont know what went down on the ambush that lead to the bodies being mutilated. BUT what i do agree to is that this is happening with alarming frequency and that alone calls the Army do to a DEEP audit of its SOP's, training and Quality of Implementation . If nothing is wrong then fine but the situation still mandates an investigation.

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Postby Yagnasri » 01 Dec 2016 12:12

One more thing not mentioned is the possible level of training and equipment of the terrorists. Being a mango man also I can think that highly trained terrorists with surprise element can cause a lot of damage before they can be taken out.

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Postby vaibhav.n » 01 Dec 2016 13:12

pics of family quarters post firefight at nagrota

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Postby rkhanna » 01 Dec 2016 14:40

"One more thing not mentioned is the possible level of training and equipment of the terrorists"

well SSG/ISI run camps have already shown the "Small Unit Capability" of the Kashmiri Jihadi. Ironically only when the Americans are at the receiving end (Haqanni network) does that become a credible point to bring up.

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Postby anjan » 01 Dec 2016 21:40

On the Nagrota attack as recvd from reliable quarters:
Nagrota Terror Attack. I was waiting for today's papers to see if their so called investigative journos tell us something about the real problem but all one got was generic views and solutions. The real problem is that the entire cantt is located on both sides of National Highway 1 and most units like this arty regt are located bang on the roadside. Though a by pass which is a superb expressway exists and is used by long route buses and other vehicles but there's heavy traffic on the Nagrota Cantt road since it's a shorter route and also used by the vast civil population of Nagrota . The army authorities had closed this road for civ tfc when the by pass came up few years back but our civilian brethren moved the court and got an order against the army action. So for the convenience of local civilians the security of entire cantt is being compromised . The local MLA of Nagrota constituency Mr Davinder Rana of NC backs up the cause of his vote bank with no concern for army men.

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Postby A Deshmukh » 01 Dec 2016 22:05

IMO, we are all making a mistake in treating these attacks as terrorist / insurgent attacks.
this is not terrorism but war.
TSP trained soldiers are attacking our armed forces. it does not matter if the attackers are wearing official uniform or terrorist attire.
If our bases are attacked, TSP has already escalated the level.
We need to respond by attacking and destroying their AF bases and Corps HQs.
Our response in attacking and killing terrorist launchpads is not enough.

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Postby Khalsa » 02 Dec 2016 01:33

FAAAAK me
look at the intense fire that has gone into the houses.

Now they are fingerings the Corps HQ.

What would Pakistan do if their Corps HQ was fingered.

Oh wait I remember they attacked their school.
And Raheel Shareef executed a TOTAL WAR in that state.

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Postby Aditya G » 11 Dec 2016 15:46

9th Dec 2016: Encounter of LeT terrorists at Anantnag




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Postby VKumar » 12 Dec 2016 00:36

Twitter. Group of 10 heavily armed Pak terrorists sighted in Srinagar. The security services are on high alert.

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Postby Kashi » 29 Dec 2016 08:16

ANI @ANI_news

#FLASH: Encounter breaks out between security forces and terrorists at Shahgund Hajin in Bandipora District in J&K. More Details Awaited.

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Postby Aditya G » 29 Dec 2016 23:50

Prem wrote:


My heart goes out to these men facing the stone pelters. They should be shot with lethal ammo. If not then pellets should be used liberally.

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Postby Bheeshma » 29 Dec 2016 23:52

I don't see logic of pellets. Use proper bullets and shoot to kill. Its only 1 million or so in valley, no one will miss them.


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Postby Rakesh » 09 Jan 2017 02:13

'Multi-dimensional' CISF to recruit 35,000 jawans
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56406073.cms

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Postby Arun.prabhu » 11 Jan 2017 19:20

From the LCA thread, where it caused thread-drift.

shiv wrote:
In other words - you have yourself answered a question you asked.

If I recall, you asked whether we need to invest heavily in LO/stealth technology. The US did exactly that but has been unable to subdue ISIS, North Korea or Pakistan. In fact Pakistan has been mollycoddled by the uS.

To that extent all high tech is worthless against tactics that make expensive high-tech redundant. We can pay China with the same coin and threaten them with nukes and let them go blue in the face copying American stealth designs


The US hasn't been able to subdue these state actors not because of lack of weapons, technology, manpower, tactics or doctrine, but because of lack of will power, which governs what tactics or doctrine you adopt, how you use your weapons, technology and manpower, etc.

Counter-insurrgency or counter-guerilla warfare requires what we've been doing in Kashmir. Occupy the territory, prevent support/communication with secure base of operations (POK), control the population and ensure economic prosperity or failing the last, fear of God through terror tactics.It takes time. It's man power intensive. It's low tech. It requires the local population to ultimately trust you/fear you more than they do the enemy. We won the COIN campaign in Punjab. We will win it in Kashmir, though the local population be ever so bent on being bought or enamoured with the idea of Pakistan. After all, we're here and have nowhere else to go. Furthermore, our economic success is attractive honey that they'll want sooner or later. Note that the intensity of the Kashmiri insurgency is a lot less today than it was in its heyday. As for cross-border provocations, hit them in the same theatre or escalate across the border, call a flag meeting once the lesson's been taught for the nonce and then return to the scheduled programming. South Korea manages it and they live next to a far more irrational state than we do.

Of course, there is the other way of conducting COIN operations. Tacitus, I think it was who said, "They made a desert and called it peace." Tamerlane once put it to practice in the same geographic vicinity, I believe. And so did the Mongols. But I consider this a last resort.

Pakistan's tactics that works with India will not work all that even less well with China,I believe.For one reason, they'll flood the area with Han to secure the territory - what they are doing in all their troubled provinces today basically - and they'll kill whomsoever resists as well as their family, if that is what it takes. So local recruiting base, one of the key pillars of guerrilla warfare goes out the window. Where would we establish the secure rear area for our insurgents? Within India? The current government perhaps has the political will, but what of the one that follows? There goes one of the remaining two. The stool will not stand on one legs when it was designed for three.

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 11 Jan 2017 21:40

The Green Crescent
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By Major Gaurav Arya - Joined Indian Army in 1993 and Served with Kumaon Regiment. He is interested in issues of National Security, Kashmir, Af-Pak & Militant Islam

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Re: CT and COIN operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby manjgu » 11 Jan 2017 22:19

Army foils infiltration bid, kills two militants
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/army-foils-infiltration-bid-kills-two-militants/articleshow/56481517.cms

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