CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby vimal » 23 Jan 2018 09:58

^ The fact that an American digital cable and satellite television network only made a documentary on surgical strike says something about Indian media.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 23 Jan 2018 10:23

Its made by TV18. Which is an Indian Media Company owned by the Reliance Group. The parent Brand partner (History Channel) has little input in curation and production of regional content.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby SaiK » 23 Jan 2018 11:06

ashishvikas wrote:History Channel documentary on Surgical Strikes

https://youtu.be/q__uzKHM4Sk

no more available for me.

Use this instead:


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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 20 Mar 2018 19:11

4 terrorists gunned down in Jammu and Kashmir's Kupwara district

Four unidentified terrorists were killed in an encounter with security forces in Kupwara district of Jammu and Kashmir on Tuesday, a defence spokesperson said.

The encounter broke out in Arampora area as security forces launched an operation after terrorists had opened fire on an Army patrol, an Army official said.



Well done lads. Send the scum to hell

Ramana ji - Sometime back it was discussed to add the word 'Anti Terrorist' to such operations. Could you please add the same to the title of this thread

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 21 Mar 2018 00:12

CT is Counter Terroist.

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Postby Manish_P » 21 Mar 2018 11:11

^ I am aware of that, Sir. The discussions did happen taking it in consideration. Perhaps the abbreviation can be expanded then? The thought, i think, was to be more forceful/blunt as well as be more search engine friendly.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 21 Mar 2018 13:58

I see. The search engine point makes sense. I’ll discuss.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby brvarsh » 22 Mar 2018 01:08

Manish_P wrote:4 terrorists gunned down in Jammu and Kashmir's Kupwara district

Four unidentified terrorists were killed in an encounter with security forces in Kupwara district of Jammu and Kashmir on Tuesday, a defence spokesperson said.

The encounter broke out in Arampora area as security forces launched an operation after terrorists had opened fire on an Army patrol, an Army official said.



Well done lads. Send the scum to hell



The latest seems to be three Army and two Police men too were martyred in dispatching five but all fatalities on our side were from the first day. Must be caught by surprise. Early reports indicated seven pigs to have crossed over.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 22 Mar 2018 02:05

Oh damn. Sad.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Prem » 27 Mar 2018 23:34

https://twitter.com/Peacef_Warrior/stat ... 7801157632
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Rashtriya Rifles convoy during an operation in Kashmir. Note the Crew Vehicle Receiver Jammer on a TATA Sumo SUV which are designed to prevent the detonation of IEDs which can be remotely detonated.

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Postby Aditya G » 01 Apr 2018 03:40

Manish_P wrote:^ I am aware of that, Sir. The discussions did happen taking it in consideration. Perhaps the abbreviation can be expanded then? The thought, i think, was to be more forceful/blunt as well as be more search engine friendly.


The word "anti terrorism" encompasses "Counter terrorism" and other less direct and non-kinetic aspects.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Bart S » 01 Apr 2018 14:14

8 terrorists killed and 1 surrendered in South Kashmir as per news reports

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Postby pankajs » 01 Apr 2018 14:35

11 by some count

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 563619.cms
11 militants and one civilian killed in Kashmir encounters

Encounter at Dragad has ended while as at Kachdooru village of Shopian operation is still going on as police sources claim bodies of few more militants could be trapped in the house. In both the villages, militants were killed in the houses of police officials, including that of an IPS officer and a constable.

Intense protests are going on near both the spots, and police and paramilitary forces have resorted to heavy shelling and pellet firing to disperse the crowd. One civilian was killed and more than 50 civilians have been injured till now. At least ten youth have received pellet injuries in eyes, while another civilian has bullet injury. 20 injured including the pellet victims have been referred to hospitals in Srinagar.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby VKumar » 01 Apr 2018 15:38

Two jawans killed in shopian. TOI

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Postby Guddu » 01 Apr 2018 17:19

While I celebrate the killing of the scum and the ratio is in our favor 8:2, overall this is not a desirable state. They lose canon fodder, we lose trained jawans. The only way out of this cycle is to take the war to Pakistan. More surgical strikes, more targeted killings of terrorist leaders are needed. The battlefield must move to Pak. Wonder what is Modiji planning, the dove too has been silent for far too long. This is the right time to take the war to Pak, when Pak is in a severe financial and political crisis. Wonder if the ongoing elections are a factor in our passiveness ?.

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Postby fanne » 01 Apr 2018 17:21

Has the war not been taken to TSP? Have the strikes from TSP within India reduced because of change of heart from TSP?

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Postby Guddu » 01 Apr 2018 17:55

To my understanding, apart from the surg strikes, the war has not been taken to Pak. Can you pl. explain what you mean. Yes, we have been responding forcefully, but that is not causing enough pain to change paki behaviour.

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Postby Bart S » 01 Apr 2018 17:58

Guddu wrote:This is the right time to take the war to Pak, when Pak is in a severe financial and political crisis. Wonder if the ongoing elections are a factor in our passiveness ?.


I disagree with this. They are just now getting to pressure cooker type situation, an attack by India would unite them and release the pressure a bit with them getting some sympathy from the international community. If there is a major attack on us, we should retaliate, but other than that, best to let them simmer and stew for a while. There will be a time to move in for the kill, but it isn't now I think.

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Postby Guddu » 01 Apr 2018 23:04

Your argument makes sense for a "normal" country. Pakistan has been on the boil for years and is likely to remain so, until we put them out of misery. Wars unite the population in most cases anway, so by that argument we would never have a reason to go to war. If India is to become a leading world power, we cannot be trifled with by small terrorist states. The USA, Russia, China would never stand for some piddly state needling them endlessly. jhappads need to be give. As Doval has said India punches below its weight, and that is the main problem.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Bart S » 02 Apr 2018 00:05

Engage in covert ops, support separatists, and target them economically and via psy-ops. No need for a formal push at this stage. Will just get us entangled in their mess. We just need to supply oil for their existing fires.

They have always been running around with a begging bowl in hand and negotiating with a gun to their head. What is different now is that they have lost their biggest patron, and their potential new patrons aren't as gullible or forgiving as their original patron. Meanwhile their army and jihadis are finally able to mess up the country in a way that they have been prevented from doing so thus far.

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Postby nam » 02 Apr 2018 00:39

Let me take this opportunity to mention the fabulous intel capability we have in Kashmir. Compare the aftermath of a Paki or Turkish COIN ops against ours. The Pakis & Turkish raise entire neighborhood to ground. In our case exactly one house. Surgical and precise to perfection.

Needless to say the source of these information can only be the local Kashmirs. There is a reason why Pakis and their foot soldiers in our country cannot defeat us in Kashmir.

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Postby anupmisra » 02 Apr 2018 00:50

nam wrote:Let me take this opportunity to mention the fabulous intel capability we have in Kashmir. Compare the aftermath of a Paki or Turkish COIN ops against ours. The Pakis & Turkish raise raze entire neighborhood to ground. In our case exactly one house. Surgical and precise to perfection.

Needless to say the source of these information can only be the local Kashmirs. There is a reason why Pakis and their foot soldiers in our country cannot defeat us in Kashmir.


I think you meant "raze".

You are correct. A malsic army is allowed to use the scorched earth approach against fellow malsics to gain advantage on the ground because, hey, its an internal matter. They are praised for it. But, heck, a non-malsic army can never dream of it. That's why local supporters come out in droves (with babies and kids in the front, and mardemomeens in the rear) and taunt the non-malsics into making a mistake, with all the cameras out there. Kashmir comes to my mind. IA has to play it very carefully.

In an earlier post, I had posted photos of the TSPA's scorched earth approach to clearing out the trouble makers.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby nam » 02 Apr 2018 02:26

Yes, raze.

Usual autocorrect kicking in.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby CalvinH » 02 Apr 2018 03:13

Guddu wrote:While I celebrate the killing of the scum and the ratio is in our favor 8:2, overall this is not a desirable state. They lose canon fodder, we lose trained jawans.


Top commanders, not Canon fodder. Thats the reason why a large amount of protesters gathered to help them.

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Postby Kashi » 02 Apr 2018 06:09

CalvinH wrote:
Guddu wrote:While I celebrate the killing of the scum and the ratio is in our favor 8:2, overall this is not a desirable state. They lose canon fodder, we lose trained jawans.


Top commanders, not Canon fodder. Thats the reason why a large amount of protesters gathered to help them.


I think probably what he means is that they are expendable for the Pakistani fauj. There's a steady supply of candidates. Of course, they'll have to spend resources to groom new commanders and slip them across the border, but they are not losing any soldiers or officers in the process. We lost three jawans, leading to three heartbroken, devastated families.

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Postby ricky_v » 02 Apr 2018 09:00

Today's toi reporting three jawans martyred, 13 pigs,4 civvies dead, 50 civvies injured. Lt. Ummer Fayaz's abductees and killers, ahmad malik and rayees thokar amongst the dead, clashes ongoing in the valley between forces and "miscreants".

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Postby pankajs » 02 Apr 2018 09:29

I read this somewhere.

It seems IA is forced to ask for surrender on loud speaker before it is allowed to use force.

No wonder the whole neighborhood gets to know the moment any ops start and with mobile how long does it take to assemble as crowd.

IA has its hands tied in multiple ways.

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Postby Khalsa » 02 Apr 2018 14:32

nam wrote:Let me take this opportunity to mention the fabulous intel capability we have in Kashmir. Compare the aftermath of a Paki or Turkish COIN ops against ours. The Pakis & Turkish raise entire neighborhood to ground. In our case exactly one house. Surgical and precise to perfection.

Needless to say the source of these information can only be the local Kashmirs. There is a reason why Pakis and their foot soldiers in our country cannot defeat us in Kashmir.



Here here , something I had noticed too but never actually summed it up like this.
Well done sir.

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Postby Aditya_V » 03 Apr 2018 12:23

Unfortunate we lost 3 men, but with the Pakistan Defense Minister and usual suspects like BBC and Paki media crying, looks like the lose of the 13 men is major blow to BIF forces.

https://pakobserver.net/kashmir-solidarity-day-to-be-observed-on-friday/

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pankajs wrote:I read this somewhere.

It seems IA is forced to ask for surrender on loud speaker before it is allowed to use force.

No wonder the whole neighborhood gets to know the moment any ops start and with mobile how long does it take to assemble as crowd.

IA has its hands tied in multiple ways.


Even our SOF in the mountains while laying an Ambush have to call out a warning for surrender before engaging. Such are the SOPs.

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rkhanna wrote:
Even our SOF in the mountains while laying an Ambush have to call out a warning for surrender before engaging. Such are the SOPs.


Then what is the point of even employing SF. Isn't the basic premise of special operations based on Speed, Surprise and Violence of action.

And by the way how many muj are even remotely interested in surrender.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 03 Apr 2018 14:39

darshhan wrote:
rkhanna wrote:
Even our SOF in the mountains while laying an Ambush have to call out a warning for surrender before engaging. Such are the SOPs.


Then what is the point of even employing SF. Isn't the basic premise of special operations based on Speed, Surprise and Violence of action.

And by the way how many muj are even remotely interested in surrender.



Almost none surrender - unless they run out of Ammo.

But such is life - This is India.

But despite the stupidity of it the moral high ground in the RoE has to be commended. No other Military force in the history of COIN has had such stringent RoEs.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby ParGha » 03 Apr 2018 15:06

Local Kashmiris often surrender, especially if there is a political or IB guarantee of some back room deals. Plenty of Ikhwanis, SPOs and even Territorial Army personnel come from surrendered militants. It is a practical measure.

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Postby rkhanna » 03 Apr 2018 16:40

ParGha wrote:Local Kashmiris often surrender, especially if there is a political or IB guarantee of some back room deals. Plenty of Ikhwanis, SPOs and even Territorial Army personnel come from surrendered militants. It is a practical measure.


Sirji - IMO you refer to a different time. Sadly alot fewer these days even with the local radicalized youth. This weeks encounter bears witness.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Bart S » 03 Apr 2018 17:06

rkhanna wrote:
ParGha wrote:Local Kashmiris often surrender, especially if there is a political or IB guarantee of some back room deals. Plenty of Ikhwanis, SPOs and even Territorial Army personnel come from surrendered militants. It is a practical measure.


Sirji - IMO you refer to a different time. Sadly alot fewer these days even with the local radicalized youth. This weeks encounter bears witness.


I think you are discussing two different scenarios here.

One is negotiated surrender/mainstreaming through backchannels (Ikhwanis etc), and the other is coming out with your hands up when surrounded and trapped in a house.

For the former, by all means make it happen. For the latter, just eliminate them without warning or mercy.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby tushar_m » 08 Apr 2018 17:55

See how Indian Army offers biscuits and water to a terrorist Zabiullah of age 17 resident of Multan, Pakistan who was arrested yesterday in Kupwara, Kashmir. He is associated wd Hafiz Saeed's LeT. #IndianArmy.
@atahasnain53 @majorgauravarya


https://twitter.com/i/web/status/982594601277100033

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Kashi » 06 May 2018 11:11

A big operation carried out in Shopian J&K. Saddam Pedar among other top terrorists eliminated.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Karthik S » 06 May 2018 11:45

Shesh Paul VaidVerified account@spvaid
Encounter concluded at Badigam Zainpora Shopian, 5 bodies of terrorists recovered. Well done boys - Army/ CRPF/J&K Police.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 06 May 2018 18:21

^ Good hunting, lads. Send them all to hell.

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Re: CT & COIN Operations in India: News, Images and Discussion

Postby abhijitm » 08 Aug 2018 11:23

Hi. is there a website which lists yearly all terrorist encounters by indian army? Thanks.


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