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https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/ne ... 141277.cms

a cyber warfare unit to be launched
An IIT Kanpur study shared with Parliament's Committee on Finance this year said attacks from the 'Equation group' — which a WikiLeaks reports said was a clandestine CIA and NSA programme — infected India's telecom and military sectors and research institutes.

The government is finally reacting to the threat with a plan to create a new tri-service agency for cyber warfare. The Defence Cyber Agency will work in coordination with the National Cyber Security Advisor.
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Not India related, but something to keep an eye on. Cyber Operations Tracker
The Digital and Cyberspace Policy program’s cyber operations tracker is a database of the publicly known state-sponsored incidents that have occurred since 2005.
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Troops asked to get rid of apps to foil espionage bids
The Indian security establishment has asked troops posted along the Line of Actual Control (LAC), the border with China, to delete a number of mobile applications like WeChat, Truecaller, Weibo, UC Browser and UC News from their smartphones, or reformat the devices altogether, to guard against online espionage attempts from across the border.
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Come January, India-US cyber security cooperation to take off
https://theprint.in/2017/12/06/india-us ... -take-off/
US diplomat says the need now is to operationalise the joint policy, and a bilateral meeting in Washington in January will create a roadmap for implementation.
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http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/ ... 85758.html

ISRO computer infected with malware
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The trojan malware, known as XtremeRAT, was detected in ISRO servers in December 2017 and was reported to the agency by an Indian researcher. ISRO reportedly responded and resolved the issue only after French researcher Robert Baptiste reached out to the agency on Twitter. “ISRO in their conversation with me informed that that investigated and found a UTM login port that was not mapped internally to any systems.They claimed to have disabled that port for now,” said Baptiste quoting ISRO’s communication with him that Express has seen.

The XtremeRAT malware was found in ISRO’s Telemetry, Tracking and Command Networks (ISTRAC) that provides tracking support for all the satellite and launch vehicle missions of ISRO. “The malware was probably infected on a computer that had access to servers used for Tracking and Command (TTC) services that help launch vehicle lift-off till injection of a satellite. A computer which was probably used to command rocket launches and separation of a satellite. I say ‘probably infected’ because no one knows which computer was used,” said the Indian researcher in December 2017.

The researcher says he stumbled on the ISRO vulnerability while using the search engine Shodan, that lets users find specific types of computers connected to internet using a variety of filters. “If Shodan can be used for searching hacked sites, I thought, why not search for infected servers? I filtered it down to region and ISRO showed up in the scan results,” said the Indian researcher.ISRO has not yet responded to Express’ request for a comment on the issue.

Resercher says search engine Shodan led him to ISRO’s vulnerability. “I did not dig any further as anything beyond that will probably be illegal,” he added. So what is XtremeRAT? It’s a commercially available remote access Trojan (RATs) used by hackers to conduct cyber espionage. There are numerous RATs that are available for free and can be purchased online, mostly from hacker forums or the dark web. The malware allows the hacker to dig deep into a specific target’s servers and databases and even sell off the access rights of their victims’ systems and their data to others.
BRF members who are better informed about malware can (time permitting) perhaps shed more light
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https://www.theverge.com/2018/5/2/17310 ... tary-bases


In a Senate testimony this past February, six major US intelligence heads warned that American citizens shouldn’t use Huawei and ZTE products and services. In January, US lawmakers introduced a bill that would ban US government agencies from using the two companies’ phones and equipment.
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DoT keeps ZTE, Huawei off its 5G use case trial partners list
The Department of Telecommunications (DoT) has excluded Huawei and ZTE from its list of companies asked to partner it for trials to develop 5G use cases for India, indicating that New Delhi may well follow the US and Australia in limiting involvement of Chinese telecom equipment makers in the rollout of the next-gen technology.
India’s move comes shortly after both the US and Australia moved to act against Huawei and ZTE amid concerns about possible cyber snooping by China. Last month, Australia barred Huawei and ZTE from its 5G roll-outs. Before that, the US had barred government use of equipment from the two Chinese gear makers, in what is perceived as wider efforts to keep them away from 5G rollouts.
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i noticed the Supermicro Chinese spy chip is not noted yet....

X-Posting...
srin wrote:Wow - supermicro ! The implications are just mind-boggling.

Supermicro is a really big deal when it comes to network appliances and also servers. Two of my old companies used supermicro chassis - one for a network security appliance and another as a datacenter server (Supermicro is way cheaper and customizable for workloads than Dell or HP). I have personally negotiated purchase deals with their distributors here in India.

Assume there are hundreds of thousands of these systems in the most secure places (banks, defense etc) - and ironically to provide network security in some cases - and the possibility that even some of them may be compromised is just really terrible.

I don't know what cybersecurity guidelines are there in India for hardware for Govt, defense and banks, but we need to be really really worried.
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US was investigating for three years i.e. from 2015!!!
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Not surprising the Chinese are doing that US has been doing for years now using CISCO or any US products that Companies/Government uses they have used it to spy.

The only option for countries like india is to use indiginous hardware/routers/FW etc with HW throughly wetted for any bug/backdoor , else China/US/West will spy on us.
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The Big Hack

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A tiny chip that was used to infiltrate big US companies



Bloomberg Businessweek has just published in its latest issue the story of how China used a tiny chip to infiltrate America’s top companies[4]. As to how this was accomplished, we need to take a small detour…

It started in 2015. Amazon was looking to acquire a software company Elemental Technologies, a software firm that created software for compressing massive video files and formatting them for different devices (think iPhone, iPad, Android, Laptop etc.). Elemental also supplied to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and this dovetailed nicely with Amazon’s secure offerings of AWS (Amazon Web Services) for the CIA.

While doing due diligence, AWS hired a third-party to look into the security aspects of Elemental’s software and it uncovered some troubling issues. Elementals’s product ran typically on servers built by a San Jose based company, Super Micro Computer Inc. On the server motherboards, the testers discovered a tiny chip, no more than the size of a grain of rice. This chip was not part of the original design of the motherboard. It was inserted at manufacturing time by the subcontractors of Super Micro in China.

Worse, this chip created a stealth entry for the hackers into any network that connected with these servers. Once connected any data could be lifted out of it. It must be kept in mind that hardware hacks, such as this one are much harder to design and can have devastating consequences. No wonder, US is breathing down China’s neck.
This is not new. Many chip manufacturers who fabricated their silicon in China have for long suspected that a secret piece of silicon was being added in to the die to enable such chips to “call home” when activated. This is even harder to detect as the chip manufacturers only know their design at a high-level language such as VHDL or Verilog.

Conclusion

So how is this going to play out? It is now evident that China has been caught by the US with its hand in the cookie jar. With Trump paranoid about November 2018 elections being handed to the Democrats (after all what goes around, comes around!) the tough talk between the two biggest economies in the world is not going to die down any time soon. Stay tuned.

References:

[1] Mike Pence’s tirade against China went way beyond trade – Oct 4, 2018, Quartz

[2] Pence says US “will not back down” from China’s aggression in fiery speech – Oct 4, 2018, Vox.com

[3] Trump Threatens Tariffs on All Imports From China, Escalating Trade Feud – Sep 7, 2018, New York Times

[4] The Big Hack – Oct 8, 2018, Bloomberg Businessweek
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Not to underestimate the threat from China but I have an alternative view to offer ...

The timing is interesting and has to with ratcheting up pressure on China along side the trade related pressure. This is deliberate leak by the US "deep state" and the timing is a conscious choice under the cloak of "Investigative reporting".

Stopping Chinese plan wrt US infiltration could have been achieved without making the whole matter public but here the objective is to prevent Chinese hardware push into other markets than just US. US initiated trade war is not simply about the current trade deficit but about "Made in China 2025" strategic plan in the lead up to its version of global leadership. This latest salvo should also be seen in the same context.

Not bad from Indian perspective both internally and externally. We Indians have a "chalta hai" attitude and such a kick is sometimes needed to bring about behavioral changes.
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pankajs wrote:Not to underestimate the threat from China but I have an alternative view to offer ...

The timing is interesting and has to with ratcheting up pressure on China along side the trade related pressure. This is deliberate leak by the US "deep state" and the timing is a conscious choice under the cloak of "Investigative reporting".

Stopping Chinese plan wrt US infiltration could have been achieved without making the whole matter public but here the objective is to prevent Chinese hardware push into other markets than just US. US initiated trade war is not simply about the current trade deficit but about "Made in China 2025" strategic plan in the lead up to its version of global leadership. This latest salvo should also be seen in the same context.

Not bad from Indian perspective both internally and externally. We Indians have a "chalta hai" attitude and such a kick is sometimes needed to bring about behavioral changes.
The entire trump in the china shop facade is a ruse to lull countries like china into a false sense of security with his "buffoonery". He looks like he is slowly shaping up to be one of the most decisive US presidents in recent memory, crude but very effective in trade situations as well as in protecting ameriki interests.

The hans OBOR/BRI/CPEC push is being very decisively countered and elements of the strategy are slowly being unveiled in some complex sequence. I suspect that even the oil prices are playing their part in this game. The hans are being cornered, this spy chip expose is not just a device to ruin a good bit of their export as well as manufacturing markets, it also spotlights the hans duplicitous nature and his untruthful dealings with other countries.

The US has effectively spiked the hans telecom exports too. 5G worldwide will now play out without much han contribution to the global infrastructure.

China is only now beginning to realize what an ameriki president is actually capable of doing to them without firing a single shot so far. All that tough talk of their vast holdings of US T-bills and how it will keep the amerikis quiet has turned out to be so much hot air.

I also suspect that this spy chip has been in the knowledge of the US for quite some time now and they were waiting for the opportune moment to strike.
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Now no one will buy Han telecom routers rtc etc.
As they say a war should be won before the first arrow is shot
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My view is that Trump is a baffoon BUT the "deep state" is using him and his campaign rhetoric to push its agenda "wherever it can".

Why do I say that? Just check his reaction to the US Supreme court nominee's confirmation hearing. He was very obviously coached by someone to praise the accuser lady as "courageous" which was fit and proper and per script at the end of her powerful testimony.

But he couldn't suppress his inner "Trump" for long. Pretty soon he was mocking her at one of his rallies so much so that he forced the undecided Republican senators to openly criticize him. I am not going by what CNN or MSNBC reported but that his own party senators had to blast him to protect their "independent" image.

All he had to do was to keep his mouth shut after his initial "presidential" reaction and he would have his nominee in a week's time. He couldn't even hold back for a week!

Trump is a baffoon make no mistake. Ofourse he is convinced that the Global Trade is rigged against America which dovetails nicely with the "deep state" agenda and China is the "first" in the line of fire.

Such folks are dangerous if one is in their line of fire. It is just that his interests are currently aligned with India's on China. Future with such folks is unknown.
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Such cocksure buffoons are as dangerous to "friends" as they are to their "enemies".

Bloomberg podcast that covers this story by one of its editors
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/20 ... vp-podcast
Between 15:30 and 21:30
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pankajs wrote:Such cocksure buffoons are as dangerous to "friends" as they are to their "enemies".

Bloomberg podcast that covers this story by one of its editors
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/audio/20 ... vp-podcast
Between 15:30 and 21:30
I am only suggesting that it may be an act to lull competitors.

His actions on the trade front are nothing like those of a buffoon. He targeted a few countries so far. He told them what he wanted. He seems to have got it from them.

At least, he got that stupid mexican president to shut up.

China is more of a medium term project. The objectives seem complex and are clouded in uncertainty, maybe because they are still unfolding.

The hans certainly don't think that trump is a buffoon.
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chetak wrote:
pankajs wrote:Not to underestimate the threat from China but I have an alternative view to offer ...

The timing is interesting and has to with ratcheting up pressure on China along side the trade related pressure. This is deliberate leak by the US "deep state" and the timing is a conscious choice under the cloak of "Investigative reporting".

Stopping Chinese plan wrt US infiltration could have been achieved without making the whole matter public but here the objective is to prevent Chinese hardware push into other markets than just US. US initiated trade war is not simply about the current trade deficit but about "Made in China 2025" strategic plan in the lead up to its version of global leadership. This latest salvo should also be seen in the same context.

Not bad from Indian perspective both internally and externally. We Indians have a "chalta hai" attitude and such a kick is sometimes needed to bring about behavioral changes.
The entire trump in the china shop facade is a ruse to lull countries like china into a false sense of security with his "buffoonery". He looks like he is slowly shaping up to be one of the most decisive US presidents in recent memory, crude but very effective in trade situations as well as in protecting ameriki interests.

The hans OBOR/BRI/CPEC push is being very decisively countered and elements of the strategy are slowly being unveiled in some complex sequence. I suspect that even the oil prices are playing their part in this game. The hans are being cornered, this spy chip expose is not just a device to ruin a good bit of their export as well as manufacturing markets, it also spotlights the hans duplicitous nature and his untruthful dealings with other countries.

The US has effectively spiked the hans telecom exports too. 5G worldwide will now play out without much han contribution to the global infrastructure.

China is only now beginning to realize what an ameriki president is actually capable of doing to them without firing a single shot so far. All that tough talk of their vast holdings of US T-bills and how it will keep the amerikis quiet has turned out to be so much hot air.

I also suspect that this spy chip has been in the knowledge of the US for quite some time now and they were waiting for the opportune moment to strike.
As per the report, the spy chip has been on US Intelligence radar from as long as 2012. Obama at the time was very popular and on his second term, the deep state even if they wanted to take action against China wouldn't have been able to control Obama. Let's be clear, a (Trade) war would hurt Unkil as bad as China, but they have that foundation to get up and take control again which China doesn't. In short this would've never fly with a populist leader like Obama. Trump is as much a stooge for the deep stage as IK for Pak.

What does this mean for India
In the Long Term, we need to be able to produce our own electronic components even if it is licensed production. At the very least for the domestic market. Our domestic market is huge and people can get to be Billionaires just by serving our domestic populace alone. Government should have strict laws that says if you are above a certain volume of sales, the components you put in your product should be locally procured.
In the Short Term, Anything that is made in a factory by a machine and coming from China, Taiwan &/or Hong Kong should have such a high tariff that people who import such stuff should go bust. There is a group of some businesses that import products and put a label of made in India to sell to OEMs. Clear guidelines for what constitutes for made in India.
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souravB wrote:
chetak wrote:
The entire trump in the china shop facade is a ruse to lull countries like china into a false sense of security with his "buffoonery". He looks like he is slowly shaping up to be one of the most decisive US presidents in recent memory, crude but very effective in trade situations as well as in protecting ameriki interests.

The hans OBOR/BRI/CPEC push is being very decisively countered and elements of the strategy are slowly being unveiled in some complex sequence. I suspect that even the oil prices are playing their part in this game. The hans are being cornered, this spy chip expose is not just a device to ruin a good bit of their export as well as manufacturing markets, it also spotlights the hans duplicitous nature and his untruthful dealings with other countries.

The US has effectively spiked the hans telecom exports too. 5G worldwide will now play out without much han contribution to the global infrastructure.

China is only now beginning to realize what an ameriki president is actually capable of doing to them without firing a single shot so far. All that tough talk of their vast holdings of US T-bills and how it will keep the amerikis quiet has turned out to be so much hot air.

I also suspect that this spy chip has been in the knowledge of the US for quite some time now and they were waiting for the opportune moment to strike.
As per the report, the spy chip has been on US Intelligence radar from as long as 2012. Obama at the time was very popular and on his second term, the deep state even if they wanted to take action against China wouldn't have been able to control Obama. Let's be clear, a (Trade) war would hurt Unkil as bad as China, but they have that foundation to get up and take control again which China doesn't. In short this would've never fly with a populist leader like Obama. Trump is as much a stooge for the deep stage as IK for Pak.

What does this mean for India
In the Long Term, we need to be able to produce our own electronic components even if it is licensed production. At the very least for the domestic market. Our domestic market is huge and people can get to be Billionaires just by serving our domestic populace alone. Government should have strict laws that says if you are above a certain volume of sales, the components you put in your product should be locally procured.
In the Short Term, Anything that is made in a factory by a machine and coming from China, Taiwan &/or Hong Kong should have such a high tariff that people who import such stuff should go bust. There is a group of some businesses that import products and put a label of made in India to sell to OEMs. Clear guidelines for what constitutes for made in India.
The only thing you missed or didn't care to say was that obama is a closet commie with an ameriki urban naxal mindset.

I have my doubts about the deep state being blamed for every thing. Sure, they are muscling in but this looks like pure trump to me, all the way, with the deep state hanging on.
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chetak wrote:
The only thing you missed or didn't care to say was that obama is a closet commie with an ameriki urban naxal mindset.

I have my doubts about the deep state being blamed for every thing. Sure, they are muscling in but this looks like pure trump to me, all the way, with the deep state hanging on.
Pure Trump can only be seen in his rallies. His speeches there is not worth losing our precious keystrokes on and frankly they are just that, speeches with some information sprinkled on that is provided to him. But the policies of this administration, if you look closely, that is all deep state. I'd consider not what Trump says in a rally but what the actual policy is.
But we are going OT, maybe we should move to in US related thread to continue before BRedators come. :D
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souravB wrote:
chetak wrote:
The entire trump in the china shop facade is a ruse to lull countries like china into a false sense of security with his "buffoonery". He looks like he is slowly shaping up to be one of the most decisive US presidents in recent memory, crude but very effective in trade situations as well as in protecting ameriki interests.

The hans OBOR/BRI/CPEC push is being very decisively countered and elements of the strategy are slowly being unveiled in some complex sequence. I suspect that even the oil prices are playing their part in this game. The hans are being cornered, this spy chip expose is not just a device to ruin a good bit of their export as well as manufacturing markets, it also spotlights the hans duplicitous nature and his untruthful dealings with other countries.

The US has effectively spiked the hans telecom exports too. 5G worldwide will now play out without much han contribution to the global infrastructure.

China is only now beginning to realize what an ameriki president is actually capable of doing to them without firing a single shot so far. All that tough talk of their vast holdings of US T-bills and how it will keep the amerikis quiet has turned out to be so much hot air.

I also suspect that this spy chip has been in the knowledge of the US for quite some time now and they were waiting for the opportune moment to strike.
As per the report, the spy chip has been on US Intelligence radar from as long as 2012. Obama at the time was very popular and on his second term, the deep state even if they wanted to take action against China wouldn't have been able to control Obama. Let's be clear, a (Trade) war would hurt Unkil as bad as China, but they have that foundation to get up and take control again which China doesn't. In short this would've never fly with a populist leader like Obama. Trump is as much a stooge for the deep stage as IK for Pak.

What does this mean for India
In the Long Term, we need to be able to produce our own electronic components even if it is licensed production. At the very least for the domestic market. Our domestic market is huge and people can get to be Billionaires just by serving our domestic populace alone. Government should have strict laws that says if you are above a certain volume of sales, the components you put in your product should be locally procured.
In the Short Term, Anything that is made in a factory by a machine and coming from China, Taiwan &/or Hong Kong should have such a high tariff that people who import such stuff should go bust. There is a group of some businesses that import products and put a label of made in India to sell to OEMs. Clear guidelines for what constitutes for made in India.
EVERY major commercial tech supplier has components made in Cheen. We need to go local eventually. But in the short term we need to follow the US and use its list of vested suppliers.

If we cut off chini components completely now it will destroy nascent industries like mobiles.

This is a dangerous time for all technology firms. That includes ours. Buying the S-400 is not smart. We might need to get off the fence with the US now and go all in as an ally.
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We are now making 180 nm Military/Space hardened chip(and even the US used 90 nm military/space grade chips). We may also be moving to 90nm technology.
So in areas where we need to keep absolute security we need to move to better fab technology.
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Tariffs in the short term will definitely increase price of electronics, but it will also push component importers to look into other markets and most importantly our own.
For an example, There is a very popular keyboard in India called TVS Bharat keyboard which when launched comprised of original German made Cherry MX keys. Just a few days ago, I came to know that they stopped using Cherry and went for a cheaper Chinese knockoff and had the galls to keep the price same.
This is what plaguing the electronic industry in India. It has already been discussed in depth how Chinese finished products are sold as made in India products.

@Chola ji, coming to your point that high tariff will destroy growth, I can not agree with you. Medium to big businesses will still import from China. Their volume of import will counterbalance the price. But even then they will have a push to look for alternatives which they should have done in the first place. Where it will hit is the small businesses that import LED lamps, dye and even clothes. They would not have the volume to counter against the increased price and have to rely on local sources. Nowadays we have a few businesses that manufacture these things and more businesses that import these things.
We have to realize that we have a huge upperhand with our demography and it is time we act brutish on these issues. After all this is an idea I've taken straight from CPC's handbook.
Also I would like it if we get to go with US in this technological space, like we did for IT. And have a trade agreement with them. But there should be local production here. And I believe we can provide the US an alternative to China in this tech sector.
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Guys please discuss the issue and not get dragged into China, Trump, etc.
Chetak focus.
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prasannasimha wrote:Now no one will buy Han telecom routers rtc etc.
As they say a war should be won before the first arrow is shot
You buy US or European telecom routers you end up as bad as Hans one they all are compromised by their intel
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I was referring to the Hans ability to sell
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Folks the rumor is that the motherboards were subcontracted to numerous board makers suppliers who also are suppliers to major equipment vendors. We don't know which supplier made the suspect boards.
The other shoe has not fallen.
Asian please keep the thread useful by discussing the issue at hand.
Chinese merchandise problems etc can be in Econ forum or the Strat forum.
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Manish_P wrote:DoT keeps ZTE, Huawei off its 5G use case trial partners list
The Department of Telecommunications (DoT) has excluded Huawei and ZTE from its list of companies asked to partner it for trials to develop 5G use cases for India, indicating that New Delhi may well follow the US and Australia in limiting involvement of Chinese telecom equipment makers in the rollout of the next-gen technology.
India’s move comes shortly after both the US and Australia moved to act against Huawei and ZTE amid concerns about possible cyber snooping by China. Last month, Australia barred Huawei and ZTE from its 5G roll-outs. Before that, the US had barred government use of equipment from the two Chinese gear makers, in what is perceived as wider efforts to keep them away from 5G rollouts.
Super bad news: India invites Huawei to take part in 5G trials
https://www.business-standard.com/artic ... 810_1.html

Our telecom companies are beating Chinese companies abroad, why are we not promoting them? Huawei is being pushed out of other markets, while we welcome Huawei with open arms here. This will permanently undermine Indian security, and does not make any sense in an era of decoupling. Chinese telecom, American and Russian arms, ab dil bhi hindustani na rahega!

Apparently we can exercise reciprocity and deny companies from countries which do not permit ours to bid, from bidding here. Why do we not exercise this option in telecom? Other Government departments are doing it.
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How Chinese Spies Got the N.S.A.’s Hacking Tools, and Used Them for Attacks

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The server room at Symantec in Culver City, Calif. The company provided the first evidence that Chinese state-sponsored hackers had acquired some of the National Security Agency’s cybertools before other hackers.
By Nicole Perlroth, David E. Sanger and Scott Shane

May 6, 2019

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Chinese intelligence agents acquired National Security Agency hacking tools and repurposed them in 2016 to attack American allies and private companies in Europe and Asia, a leading cybersecurity firm has discovered. The episode is the latest evidence that the United States has lost control of key parts of its cybersecurity arsenal.

Based on the timing of the attacks and clues in the computer code, researchers with the firm Symantec believe the Chinese did not steal the code but captured it from an N.S.A. attack on their own computers — like a gunslinger who grabs an enemy’s rifle and starts blasting away.

The Chinese action shows how proliferating cyberconflict is creating a digital wild West with few rules or certainties, and how difficult it is for the United States to keep track of the malware it uses to break into foreign networks and attack adversaries’ infrastructure.

The losses have touched off a debate within the intelligence community over whether the United States should continue to develop some of the world’s most high-tech, stealthy cyberweapons if it is unable to keep them under lock and key.

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The group is responsible for numerous attacks on some of the most sensitive defense targets inside the United States, including space, satellite and nuclear propulsion technology makers.

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Repeatedly over the past decade, American intelligence agencies have had their hacking tools and details about highly classified cybersecurity programs resurface in the hands of other nations or criminal groups.

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....... the Chinese simply seem to have spotted an American cyberintrusion and snatched the code, often developed at huge expense to American taxpayers.

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Amir Khan is the greatest weapons proliferator in history. A right proper stink should be made of this, if for no other reason than reducing the mileage on Khan's wagable finger.
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one narrative doing the rounds is that Huawei kit backdoors (to China) are known/predictable and can be monitored by spy agencies, however the bigger danger is bad code which can create inadvertent vulnerabilities that can be hacked by malicious 3rd parties
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chola wrote:
souravB wrote: As per the report, the spy chip has been on US Intelligence radar from as long as 2012. Obama at the time was very popular and on his second term, the deep state even if they wanted to take action against China wouldn't have been able to control Obama. Let's be clear, a (Trade) war would hurt Unkil as bad as China, but they have that foundation to get up and take control again which China doesn't. In short this would've never fly with a populist leader like Obama. Trump is as much a stooge for the deep stage as IK for Pak.

What does this mean for India
In the Long Term, we need to be able to produce our own electronic components even if it is licensed production. At the very least for the domestic market. Our domestic market is huge and people can get to be Billionaires just by serving our domestic populace alone. Government should have strict laws that says if you are above a certain volume of sales, the components you put in your product should be locally procured.
In the Short Term, Anything that is made in a factory by a machine and coming from China, Taiwan &/or Hong Kong should have such a high tariff that people who import such stuff should go bust. There is a group of some businesses that import products and put a label of made in India to sell to OEMs. Clear guidelines for what constitutes for made in India.
EVERY major commercial tech supplier has components made in Cheen. We need to go local eventually. But in the short term we need to follow the US and use its list of vested suppliers.

If we cut off chini components completely now it will destroy nascent industries like mobiles.

This is a dangerous time for all technology firms. That includes ours. Buying the S-400 is not smart. We might need to get off the fence with the US now and go all in as an ally.

Go the US as ..an ally ? .. that country does not have "allies" rather vassals .. want India to go down the way of South Korea? ..or Australia .. nope too big for that, and was "allied" to the British for 100 years , no thank you very much !
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https://www.livemint.com/news/india/ind ... 77163.html

India confirms malware attack at Kudankulam nuclear power plant

the cyber attack was in september. a statment was made in the Lok Sabha
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This information regarding India’s largest nuclear power plant was provided by Jitendra Singh, Minister of State (Independent Charge) Development of North-Eastern Region (DoNER), and MoS in charge of Atomic Energy and Space, in a written reply in Lok Sabha today.

State-run Nuclear Power Corp. of India Ltd, or NPCIL runs India’s fleet of 22 commercial nuclear power reactors with an installed capacity of 6,780 megawatts (MW).

“A malware infection was identified in NPCIL KKNPP Internet connected system," Singh said according to a government statement.

The cyberattacks assume importance given the increased state of hostilities in the Indian subcontinent and India’s ambitious nuclear plans that include constructing a dozen new nuclear power reactors across the country, with a total power-generation capacity of 9,000 MW. While nine reactors totaling 6,700 MW are under construction, the Indian government has also given in-principle approval for setting up nuclear power capacities totaling 25,248 MW at Jaitapur (Maharashtra), Kowada (Andhra Pradesh), Chhaya Mithi Virdi (Gujarat), Haripur (West Bengal), and Bhimpur (Madhya Pradesh).
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“There was an identification of a malware infection on KKNPP administrative network used for day to day administrative activities. The affected system contains data related to administrative function. Plant control and instrumentation system is not connected to any external network such as Intranet, Internet and administrative system," the statement added.

The detection of malware or malicious software in NPCIL’s system, responsible for running India’s nuclear reactors, comes against the backdrop of India’s power sector facing cyberattacks, with at least 30 events reported daily.

“The malware infection was not able to get access to the controls of the Nuclear Power Plant," the statement said and added, “Investigations have been carried out by the Computer & Information Security Advisory Group (CISAG) – DAE along with the national agency, Indian Computer Emergency Response Team (CERT-In). The investigation concluded that the malware infection was limited to the administrative network of KKNPP."
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Indian Army issues warning as Pakistani spies use AarogyaSetu app to target personnel
The Indian Army has issued a warning to its personnel against Pakistani agencies' designs to hack the phones of Indian military personnel through a malicious application similar to the AarogyaSetu app.

"Inimical intelligence agencies have developed a malicious app by the name Aarogya Setu.apk. Such apps were found to be sent by Pakistan-based Pakistani Intelligence Operatives to WhatsApp groups of Indian Army personnel," the Army has stated in its warning.

Senior Army sources told ANI that Pakistani agencies are using social media accounts with Indian names to target the Indian personnel.

"Known Pakistani Intelligence Operative account under the fake name of one 'Anoshka Chopra' also found sending the malicious application to Indian Army personnel," the sources said.
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Mitron app suspended from Google Play Store; Maharashtra cyber cell urges users to uninstall over worries of information, data risk
The Maharashtra Cyber Cell on Wednesday issued an advisory and asked people to uninstall the Mitron app, the much-touted desi version of TikTok.

The cyber cell said that the app installed by more than 5 million users has a major security vulnerability that lets threat actors exploit users' accounts by easily bypassing accounts. The popularity of the Mitron app in India rose on the back of a prevailing anti-China sentiment in the country due to border tensions in Ladakh. TikTok is a Chinese-owned video sharing app. "As a precautionary measure, users are advised to uninstall this app as it can put your personal information and data to risk," said the cyber cell.

Meanwhile, Mitron has now been pulled down by Google from its Play Store for allegedly violating its spam and minimum functionality policy.

Mitron is not an Indian product, rather it is actually a repackaged version of the Tic Tic app created by a Pakistani software development company Qboxus.
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http://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/13429347

SDF booting up capabilities to defend against cyberattacks

this is an article from a Japanese Newspaper on cooperation of the US and Japan Military on cyber attacks

information on US Cyber command
In 2018, the U.S. military elevated a sub-group into the Cyber Command, one of 11 unified combatant commands under the U.S. Defense Department.

U.S. Cyber Command is made up of 133 units over all the military services with total staffing of about 6,200. Not only is it in charge of protecting the U.S. military’s computer networks, but it also has a unit that utilizes cyberwarfare to support conventional forces.

the background for this cooperation is development by China in Cyber warfare
In the background to the increasing cooperation between the two nations are the moves being made by China. Beijing recognizes the U.S. military's overwhelming advantage in conventional forces so it has focused on countering Washington in the cyber and space domains.

“We will strike at the weaknesses of the U.S. military that depends on advanced technology such as computer networks and satellites,” said a researcher at a think tank affiliated with the Chinese military.

In summer 2019, a strategic support force participated in one of the largest simulation exercises involving a military incident connected to Taiwan. The cyber unit was in charge of hacking to destroy important infrastructure such as power plants

With Chinese President Xi Jinping having called for an integration of the military and private sectors, the force is also cooperating with employees of communications companies and individual hackers often referred to as the cyber militia.

One hacker said there were several hundreds of thousands of individuals making up the cyber militia.
some facets of international cyber warfare
No international treaties either under the U.N. or at other multilateral levels exist in relation to cyberattacks.

The major powers such as the United States, Russia and China are engaged in espionage campaigns by transmitting computer viruses to foreign nations.

At the same time, those nations are also proceeding on a daily basis with identifying the type and source of computer viruses sent by enemy nations as one way to defend against large-scale cyberattacks.
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Using this thread so as to not pollute the other one.
Why is it so vital anyway for the general populace to get minute-by-minute detail? At the end of the day, the centre is going to come out and set records straight and that will be the only fact, though we may get it a bit slow. Along the way, you can have reports with no basis that get regurtigated around the web, that does not change the ground fact of what has transpired, the external and internal enemies of little importance save noise would believe what they want to believe anyway and the common man will move onto the next outrage soon enough, the people in the know, internally and externally are the only ones who matter and they do not get their information from evening news or random twitter sources. The armed forces / goi will reveal information as and when they see fit as per their own designs, we have to work around that.
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The chinese have fired salvos on the cyberspace front...

40,300 hacking attempts suspected from entities in China to cripple utility infra services
Between Tuesday to Friday, there were up to 40,300 hacking attempts, also referred to as ‘probes’, seeking to cripple the working of public-private service providers located in New Delhi and Mumbai, cyber police sources said.

Though the hacking attempts have been unsuccessful so far in doing any concrete damage, their activities are unprecedented, the sources said.
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Banning and deleting apps won't get everything done unless military has cyber cells to sanitize phones. Lot of these phones come with pre installed apps at system level and there can many be call home Trojan horses that aren't so easy to identify by the average user.

In addition, military should be looking into monitoring cell tower traffic and location aware traffic out of the devices.

IoT devices can be abused and creates another issue.

Need to utilize young talent within country to find and catalog these nightmares. Start new campuses focused only in cyber work that doesn't require you to take stupid classes from other fields. Reduce school time and cost. Buy extra years of young engineer's prime years by getting rid of classes that have no meaning.
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