Aircraft Recognition

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 14 Mar 2011 16:53

rsharma wrote:Ok try and guess this one..



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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby manoba » 14 Mar 2011 18:22

^^^

Right click on that unseen image and open it in new window/tab.

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Bit tricky. I initially mistook it for the shrimp tailed EF-111A Raven (General Dynamics/Grumman EF-111A Raven), not to be confused with General Dynamics F-111 and FB-111 Aardvark variants. But the fuselage looks different towards the tail.

Anyway it's Dassault Mirage G8. The French variable-geometry prototype.

Wiki: Mirage G

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Boreas » 14 Mar 2011 19:58

anishns wrote:Image

This one apparently is bigger than the A380 :shock:


Its a Caspian Sea Monster. Once in air only two engines were used. (hence only two engines have that cage-like structure to protect engine against birds). One of the tightest kept secret, not reveled till it was photographed by satellite, being tested in Caspian Sea.

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flying video -
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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Boreas » 14 Mar 2011 20:11

kmc_chacko wrote:Image

Curtiss XP-55

The backward flying plane!

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Boreas » 14 Mar 2011 20:15

kmc_chacko wrote:Image

Its a PB2Y Coronado. Started flying in late 1930's. Used mainly in Pacific theater in WWII.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Consolidated_PB2Y_Coronado

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Boreas » 14 Mar 2011 20:18

kmc_chacko wrote:Image


It will be a "Old Man's Aircraft Company I" aka OMAC-I

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 14 Mar 2011 20:21

As an OT comment don't you guys think it is amazing the number of designs that have come from the US (and from Britain in an earlier era). These guys have a robust aviation industry because an interest in aviation is part and parcel of society.

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 20 Mar 2011 20:53

Libyan aircraft shot down: Click on image and identify
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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Bala Vignesh » 20 Mar 2011 22:20

^^My bet..
Its the Su 24.. The Tail surface to me looks closer to the Su24 than the MiG 23.. imo..

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Drishyaman » 20 Mar 2011 23:31

In my opinion its the Mig- 23. Look at where the engine ends before the start of the trailing edge of the rear fin.

Now, whats the verdict, Shivji?

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 21 Mar 2011 05:31

It's a MiG 23. The MiG 23 has only 3 wing positions. Fully forward, fully swept back and something in between. In the "in between" position as seen in the photographs, the inner end of the leading edge forms a prominent saw-tooth that can be seen in the crashing aircraft (in the enlarged picture). That saw tooth does not happen in the Su-24 whose wing leading edge recedes into the glove at the wing root when the wing is extended.

The trailing edge of the tailplane in the MiG 23 extends beyond the tailpipe, but the in the Su-24 the trailing edge of the tailplane stops short of the tailpipe.

Su-24
http://www.airwar.ru/image/idop/bomber/su24/su24-1.jpg

MiG 23
http://en.valka.cz/attachments/12650/MiG-23_5735.jpg

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 21 Mar 2011 08:13

What kind of sortie is this Spitfire ( :rotfl: )flying?

What munitions?

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby anishns » 22 Mar 2011 09:30

Boreas wrote:
kmc_chacko wrote:Image

Curtiss XP-55

The backward flying plane!


:D

This one reminds me of a plane from the movie "Those Magnificient Men in their flying machines"
How many of you have watched it....they played it on DD many years ago :)

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby anishns » 22 Mar 2011 09:50

Boreas wrote:Its a Caspian Sea Monster. Once in air only two engines were used. (hence only two engines have that cage-like structure to protect engine against birds). One of the tightest kept secret, not reveled till it was photographed by satellite, being tested in Caspian Sea.


It's OT here but, one can get more info on Ekranoplan's in this video


Quite an interesting design...don't know about practicality although :-?

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby ManishH » 24 Mar 2011 16:51

shiv wrote:What kind of sortie is this Spitfire ( :rotfl: )flying?

What munitions?

Image


French Rafale perhaps enforcing no-fly over Libya or just taken off from Corsica ?

The cigars look like some ALCM perhaps intended to blow Libyan airbases. The AAMs on the wingtip must be MICA. Not sure what's in between.

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Bala Vignesh » 24 Mar 2011 18:03

ManishH wrote:
French Rafale perhaps enforcing no-fly over Libya or just taken off from Corsica ?

The cigars look like some ALCM perhaps intended to blow Libyan airbases. The AAMs on the wingtip must be MICA. Not sure what's in between.

Manish,
The cigar shaped things are, afaik, drop tanks to increase teh endurance and the munition in the second outboard pylons are AASM..

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 27 Mar 2011 13:10

Identify all, including the ship
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8229/15946228.jpg
If you see only a frog in ice, click on link above
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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Ajit.C » 27 Mar 2011 14:17

Ship : Charles de Gaulle
Helicopter looklike: Puma and Alouette III
Aircrafts: Rafale M, Super Étendard, E-2C

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Dmurphy » 27 Mar 2011 21:51

Posted before?

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Identify the bird.

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby anishns » 30 Mar 2011 06:05

Image

The image source is a dead giveaway but,nonetheless...
It is a proposed 5th fighter! :mrgreen:

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 03 Apr 2011 18:56

Marten wrote:^Iran's magnificent 5th Gen fighter.

The first prototype is equipped with many 5th gen features and has been reputed to be flying since 1996. However, owing to its total stealth. it has never been observed in flight.

The sarcasm is appropriate.

"5th gen" has become the joke of the 21st century because anything that looks "5th gen-ish" is called 5th gen. It's like me walking around with Brad Pitt mask and imagining that Angelina Jolie will come running to me.

5th gen is an American definition of 5th generation American technologies. These include composites, all aspect stealth, sensor fusion, AESA radar, excellent engines, super endurance, smart munitions. Each one of these is a separate branch of technology on its own. Having one does not mean having all.

Now how often do we see Brad Pitt mask-like copycat models that are called "5th gen" with no hint whatsoever that the maker of model has reached anywhere in terms of actually crating 5th gen technology? What a ridiculous state of affairs. :roll:

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Boreas » 07 Apr 2011 00:05

shiv wrote:Identify all, including the ship
http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/8229/15946228.jpg
If you see only a frog in ice, click on link above
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That's unique texture of Charles De Gaulle

in front is a Hawkeye
behind that an Eurocopter EC225
then left-right parked Super Etendard
in between them is what appears to be an Alouette III
can see in background a tiny Rafale
next to Rafale is most probably a Falcon 20/10

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Boreas » 07 Apr 2011 00:08

oppss.. didn't saw Ajit.C post :!:

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Pratik_S » 24 Apr 2011 15:02

Image

This shouldn't be difficult :wink:

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby manoba » 24 Apr 2011 15:18

^^^ The URL gives away it's identity.

Yakovlev Yak-44: Wiki

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Megh » 28 Apr 2011 14:23

This shouldn't be difficult

Of course :)
Sorry, but only on russian language.
Eagles eye of the NAVY.

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 03 May 2011 07:58

Re Helo wreck in Bin Laden compound

Ambar wrote:Hakimji, it was a MH-60 SpecOps Blackhawk.


That is what reports say but I am unable to reconcile the photo of the wreck with photos of the tail portion of the Blackhawk.

Compare the two images below.

http://inapcache.boston.com/universal/s ... ed/bp6.jpg

http://www.life.com/image/1754872

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Anujan » 03 May 2011 08:14

Hakeem-ji,

Both musharrafs look same to me:
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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 03 May 2011 08:26

Anujuddin - to me it appears that the BlackHawks horizontal stabilizers stick out beyond the musharraf and are not canted backwards (as in the Bin Laden photu)

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Prasad » 03 May 2011 08:26

A few reports are saying that 4 helicopters were involved in the mission. I would suppose that atleast one of them is an apache if not 2. All reports say 24 seals were part of the op. 24 seals can be carried in 2 pave hawk helicopters. That would be a 2+2 operation. Maybe one of the apaches went down. The tail part appears to be pretty narrow to be a pave hawk tail section which is a pretty large helicopter. Perhaps that makes sense.

Added later: Main difference between the apache and pave hawk is where the tail wheel is attached to the tail. In that apache it is right at teh end of the tail section. In the pave hawk its a lot before the end and therefore a longer length of shock-absorbers(?) compared to the apache. Not that any of this is evident from that mangled little left in the picture. Just thought I should add. Can anyone make it out from that picture?

Pliss to compare tail wheel area - Apache - http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image ... 650pix.jpg
Pave-hawk - http://www.aviationspectator.com/files/ ... er-183.jpg
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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Anujan » 03 May 2011 08:28

Apaches have a tapered stabilizer. So do Mi 8. Did Unkil use some Russi maal or some other Maal the Pakis have and blow it up?

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby negi » 03 May 2011 08:39

Shiv ji the stabilizer has actually kind of snapped from the middle and hence appears to be canted forward.

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 03 May 2011 08:44

negi wrote:Shiv ji the stabilizer has actually kind of snapped from the middle and hence appears to be canted forward.


Two points
1) It has snapped so symmetrically that I find that difficult to believe
2) No evidence of the notch in the rear border vertical rotor mast that BlackHawks have

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 03 May 2011 08:52



Thanks for the images Prasad. I enhanced the crash image and I am convinced that I was wrong earlier. It is a Blackhawk all right. The tail wing has turned 180 degrees. The wedge shape of the tip of the rear fuselage is unmistakable. There is no "notch" - What appears to be a "notch" is a little rudder which has broken off,

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Johann » 03 May 2011 19:56

Some of the media sources confirm that it was a specially modified BlackHawks that carried the assault team in.

http://www.theatlantic.com/internationa ... en/238163/

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/minute- ... 6048908275

We can get some idea of just how modified when we look at these closeups from the Pakistani cleanup operation

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From these and other photos of the charred remnants it looks like there might have been quite a lot of carbon fibre in it as well which is helpful if you're going to be sneaking in to countries when youre not supposed to.

JSOC is almost its own mini-Pentagon and armed forces. It is really a separate standing military machine designed to fight covert wars.

The kind of astronomically expensive special development and limited production/modification run demonstrates just how much the political leadership values what they can do.

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Boreas » 03 May 2011 20:55

Johann wrote:We can get some idea of just how modified when we look at these closeups from the Pakistani cleanup operation

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panda got something new to reverse engineer!

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby SRay » 04 May 2011 08:12

Looks like it was built for stealth: definitely for sound reduction but probably also for radar reduction.

http://cencio4.wordpress.com/2011/05/03/mysterious-helicopter/

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby Jaeger » 04 May 2011 12:39

cross post:

Jaeger wrote:Closer look at Chopper tail rotor

Closer look at Chopper tail rotor 2

Closer look at Chopper tail rotor 2

1. Doesn't remotely look like anything you see open-source - not MH60, not CH47, not OH58 and not vanilla CH53.
2. Looks like like a 5-bladed tail rotor - again, none of the above have a 5-bladed tail rotor.
3. The horizontal tail-plane has an unusual placement - on MH60 it is at the extremity of the tail unit, CH47 has no conventional tail rotor, OH 58 has 2-bladed rotor with the horizontal planes set well ahead on the thin tail boom, and CH53 has a canted plane on the other side of the tail rotor.
4. On the other hand, have a look at the Sikorsky S76, particularly WRT to the placement of tail planes to vertical tail: S76 3-view
6. FWIW, an S76 variant: S75. Look at the shaping.
5: Whatever the base model is, the tail unit and rotor hub has some serious cladding, quite sure will be some radar/IR absorbent material

So... are we seeing for the 1st time an in-service (semi?)stealth assault chopper used only by JSOC? Makes sense for penetration into hostile airspace... Interesting.

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Re: Aircraft Recognition

Postby shiv » 05 May 2011 14:24

cross post
Sid wrote:Here you go. Much more clear pic of stealth helo that Seals used.

Image

clicky for real pics on Reuters which are allegdly sold by Porki army officer to reporter.

http://www.reuters.com/subjects/bin-laden-compound


Here is another emlarged and enhanced pic. This has got to be teh weirdest Blackhawk tail ever
Kelik on image
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