Indian Military Aviation

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 02 Nov 2011 05:04

OT self deleted

Hobbes · Post by **Hobbes** » 02 Nov 2011 06:52

rakall wrote:
rohitvats wrote:Sometimes, the level of ignorance and stupidity really baffles me...

http://ajaishukla.blogspot.com/2011/11/ ... -kiri.html

How the simple fact that we are going to acquire PAKFA in numbers misses his radar confound me !!

Unless he considers (based on info exclusive to him) that PAKFA is inferior to J20.

That is exactly what he thinks. If you read his reply to comments, he has expressed his views on the PAK-FA:

Firstly… why do I not mention that India is engaged in a partnership with Russia to produce a “fifth generation” PAK-FA? Simple answer! The PAK-FA is not a fifth generation fighter, and will never be unless India funds every paisa of the Russian R&D that is needed to make it so. I happen to know a great deal about the PAK-FA programme. And you’ll have to wait to read about it, which I promise will happen soon.

The good colonel clearly believes that the PAK-FA is no match for the J-20 unless India makes a substantial investment in its development.

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 02 Nov 2011 07:33

Pentagon Awaits India’s Interest in Lockheed F-35 Fighter

Nov. 1 (Bloomberg) -- The U.S. Defense Department expressed eagerness to work more closely with India, including sharing information on its top weapons program, Lockheed Martin Corp.’s F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.

“Should India indicate interest in the JSF, the United States would be prepared to provide information on the JSF and its requirements,” including on security and infrastructure, the Defense Department said today in a congressionally mandated report on U.S.-India security cooperation.
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Cain Marko · Post by **Cain Marko** » 02 Nov 2011 07:38

Hobbes wrote:The good colonel clearly believes that the PAK-FA is no match for the J-20 unless India makes a substantial investment in its development.

If that indeed is the case, then the MRCA purchase will indeed be justified - a hedge against a Pakfa failure (perish the thought). That big investment will be reqd. for the Pakfa is a no brainer - a tentative $ 30 billion commitment has already been made iirc. However, I am skeptical about Shukla's conclusions, afterall Russia has brought it to this level nary an investment from India.

CM.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 02 Nov 2011 09:12

Cain Marko wrote: However, I am skeptical about Shukla's conclusions, afterall Russia has brought it to this level nary an investment from India.

Shukla does not realise that he has lied to himself. He uses a J-20 strawman to buttress his argument.

Why is J-20 a strawman. It is a strawman because it's capabilities (still in the future) are unknown. You can assume anything you want about it and come up with a suitable argument. Once Shulka tells himself a lie about the J-20s mythical capabilities, he is looking for an existing aircraft to counteract the myth that he makes up. He does not want mythical aircraft to counteract the myth. He wants a real existing F-35 to counter the myth he builds in his own mind about the J-20. He is behaving unnecessarily stupid. I would rate his analytical abilities with a minus 2 (-2)

Why am I so scathing about the man?
1. He rates the F-35 high. Fine he may be right
2. He questions the PAK-FA/MMRCA - OK maybe he is right
3. But how the heck can he comment on the J-20s capabilities to compare it with F-35 or T-50 or MMRCA? The J-20s role is unknown, It's weight and power are unknown, its range is unknown, it's capabilities are unknown. He is buying a myth and trying to build reality on extrapolating that myth into reality in his own mind and claiming that he knows best.

chackojoseph · Post by **chackojoseph** » 02 Nov 2011 09:17

I really don't care if its F-35 or PAK-FA. F-35 has almost arrived on the scene. PAK-FA is long way. If we must have a tailored plane, it should be NGFA.

arunsrinivasan · Post by **arunsrinivasan** » 02 Nov 2011 10:17

Anyone who has been following the F-35 saga, knows that it has been plagued with technical problems & delays (HT The Dew Line Blog & Wired Danger room are my sources). The plane has busted budgets & Pentagon / Congress is seriously considering pulling the plug on the VTOL version. With the budgetary pressures, countries are going to cut their requirements, with all this the per plane cost is going up & quite significantly at that. For Ajai Shukla to claim F-35 as a decent option that too at $65 million a plane is either incompetence or he is pushing LM's agenda .... I had a lot of respect for him, but now feel that he has lost it.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2011 12:03

Pentagon still keen on selling fighter jets to India

In a nine-page report to the Congress yesterday, the Pentagon acknowledged that India’s recent decision not to opt for America’s F-16 and F-18 for its 126-fighter jets was a setback.

“Despite this setback, we believe US aircraft, such as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), to be the best in the world.

Should India indicate interest in the JSF, the United States would be prepared to provide information on the JSF and its requirements (infrastructure, security, etc.) to support India’s future planning,” the Pentagon informed the US congress.

Continually looking for ways to expand defence cooperation with India, the Pentagon said it is seeking opportunities for increased science and technology cooperation that may lead to co-development opportunities with India as a partner.

SSridhar · Post by **SSridhar** » 02 Nov 2011 12:05

Desi Sukhoi does supersonic ballet on debut

Also flying high was the Swadeshi pride considering that this was the first aircraft manufactured from a complete raw material phase. The striking feature was the pilots pulling 9g at the first attempt itself, a pointer to its structural integrity.

The raw material phase Sukhoi is the first from Phase-IV of the project. The avionics and accessories have come from HAL’s Lucknow, Hyderabad and Korwa divisions, while the engine was produced at Koraput.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 02 Nov 2011 12:06

SSridhar wrote:“Despite this setback, we believe US aircraft, such as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), to be the best in the world.

Think IN is keen to acquire JSF , it has hinted at it in as many words and LM has gave JSF presentation to IN top officials at NHQ.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 02 Nov 2011 12:18

but only the VSTOL JSF could operate from ADS1 which is the version in trouble. and moreover we have already paid for enough Mig29K to equip both ADS1 and Vikramaditya.

the issue can be revisited when we buy EM cats from US and build a 65000t ADS2..our first supercarrier....we can go for the much better USN version of JSF then supplemented by NLCA. we can make the call once ADS2 design starts as EM cats need to be planned from day1.

to save cost and time, we could modify the anglo-french CVF design to our req and upsize it slightly from 55k tons to 65k tons to permit a bigger airwing, faster combat cruise speed, more stores & fuel and a meatier self-defence suite. will be less risky than getting fincantieri to 2X upsize the ADS1 or asking newport news (they are not interested in anything below 100,000t)

VinodTK · Post by **VinodTK** » 03 Nov 2011 03:36

From TOI: US wooing India with F-35 5th-Generation fighter offer

From Hindustan Times: America'India has right to buy F-35 fighters'

Why are these news stories surfacing 2 days before the opening of the MMRCA bids!!

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 03 Nov 2011 04:16

VinodTK wrote:From TOI: US wooing India with F-35 5th-Generation fighter offer

From Hindustan Times: America'India has right to buy F-35 fighters'

Why are these news stories surfacing 2 days before the opening of the MMRCA bids!!

Anticipating sticker shock and awe?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2011 06:34

India reaction post Kaluchak
http://www.bharat-rakshak.com/NEWS/news ... wsid=16376

The CCS met yet again on May 18, 2002 and gave a nod for strike to the military, which was seething with revenge. This time again the Indian Air Force delayed the proceedings as it ran short of laser guided ammunition and night vision pods. New Delhi gave a SOS to Tel Aviv, which sent three C-130 J Hercules full of laser guided bombs and pods on June 5, 2002 at Palam airport with Israeli Director General (Defence) Amos Yaron on board. But a fortnight delay was too much for the international community to let go.

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 03 Nov 2011 06:42

Crack Troops Fan Out, Hunt for missing Pilot High in the Himalayas
The Indian Express

Juggi G · Post by **Juggi G** » 03 Nov 2011 06:54

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4646/34541652.jpg

What on 3rd Earth is this Helmet for

ADMIN NOTE: CAN YOU PLEASE NOT POST LARGE IMAGES? NOT EVERYONE HAS FAST INTERNET CONNECTIONS.

krishnan · Post by **krishnan** » 03 Nov 2011 06:55

Thats standard helmet with a NVG attachment i think

arun · Post by **arun** » 03 Nov 2011 08:39

SSridhar wrote:Pentagon still keen on selling fighter jets to India
In a nine-page report to the Congress yesterday, the Pentagon acknowledged that India’s recent decision not to opt for America’s F-16 and F-18 for its 126-fighter jets was a setback.

“Despite this setback, we believe US aircraft, such as the Joint Strike Fighter (JSF), to be the best in the world.

Should India indicate interest in the JSF, the United States would be prepared to provide information on the JSF and its requirements (infrastructure, security, etc.) to support India’s future planning,” the Pentagon informed the US congress.

Continually looking for ways to expand defence cooperation with India, the Pentagon said it is seeking opportunities for increased science and technology cooperation that may lead to co-development opportunities with India as a partner.

The referenced report by the US Department of Defense to the US Congress is available here:

Report to Congress on U.S.-India Security Cooperation

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 03 Nov 2011 08:51

Juggi G wrote:http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4646/34541652.jpg

What on 3rd Earth is this Helmet for

Helmet mounted targeting/cueing system.

VishalJ · Post by **VishalJ** » 06 Nov 2011 17:21

The PLAAF JH-7 just moments before its crash

MN Kumar · Post by **MN Kumar** » 06 Nov 2011 21:57

Juggi G wrote:http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4646/34541652.jpg

What on 3rd Earth is this Helmet for

ADMIN NOTE: CAN YOU PLEASE NOT POST LARGE IMAGES? NOT EVERYONE HAS FAST INTERNET CONNECTIONS.

Is that the LCH patch on the pilots shoulder?

Will · Post by **Will** » 06 Nov 2011 22:11

Singha wrote:but only the VSTOL JSF could operate from ADS1 which is the version in trouble. and moreover we have already paid for enough Mig29K to equip both ADS1 and Vikramaditya.

the issue can be revisited when we buy EM cats from US and build a 65000t ADS2..our first supercarrier....we can go for the much better USN version of JSF then supplemented by NLCA. we can make the call once ADS2 design starts as EM cats need to be planned from day1.

to save cost and time, we could modify the anglo-french CVF design to our req and upsize it slightly from 55k tons to 65k tons to permit a bigger airwing, faster combat cruise speed, more stores & fuel and a meatier self-defence suite. will be less risky than getting fincantieri to 2X upsize the ADS1 or asking newport news (they are not interested in anything below 100,000t)

As per the Navy Chief's comments a while back another aircraft carrier is not a priority as the navy has other requirements pending. Going by that we are not going to see the IAC-2 anytime in the near future.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 06 Nov 2011 23:16

MN Kumar wrote:
Juggi G wrote:http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/4646/34541652.jpg

What on 3rd Earth is this Helmet for

ADMIN NOTE: CAN YOU PLEASE NOT POST LARGE IMAGES? NOT EVERYONE HAS FAST INTERNET CONNECTIONS.
Is that the LCH patch on the pilots shoulder?

Nope.. Its the Mi 35 type patch..
The BR gallery Link

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 06 Nov 2011 23:20

Singha wrote: we could modify the anglo-french CVF design to our req and upsize it slightly from 55k tons to 65k tons to permit a bigger airwing, faster combat cruise speed, more stores & fuel and a meatier self-defence suite. will be less risky than getting fincantieri to 2X upsize the ADS1 or asking newport news (they are not interested in anything below 100,000t)

And add nuclear propulsion.
K

Kersi D · Post by **Kersi D** » 06 Nov 2011 23:23

Cosmo_R wrote:
VinodTK wrote:From TOI: US wooing India with F-35 5th-Generation fighter offer

From Hindustan Times: America'India has right to buy F-35 fighters'

Why are these news stories surfacing 2 days before the opening of the MMRCA bids!!
Anticipating sticker shock and awe?

Yeh if the "MMRCA" price is sooo hiigh, let us buy F 35. LM is offering a good price and all the source codes !!!

K

Will · Post by **Will** » 06 Nov 2011 23:43

Kersi D wrote:
Singha wrote: we could modify the anglo-french CVF design to our req and upsize it slightly from 55k tons to 65k tons to permit a bigger airwing, faster combat cruise speed, more stores & fuel and a meatier self-defence suite. will be less risky than getting fincantieri to 2X upsize the ADS1 or asking newport news (they are not interested in anything below 100,000t)
And add nuclear propulsion.
K

Well the Amrikhans have already offered to help in building an aircraft carrier a long time back

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 07 Nov 2011 08:49

Its Official now..
Squadron Leader Tomar declared dead after 19 days of SAR effort.
Source- Livefist.

karan_mc · Post by **karan_mc** » 07 Nov 2011 10:48

Missing MiG-29 pilot dead

@Bala Vignesh , I Think it was already posted

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 09 Nov 2011 10:38

With raytheon installing ATC systems for IAF bases, what are the communication and system specific security issues with unkill sam taking cue to flight plan diversions, conflict and collision avoidance offset, warning system that perhaps could give wrong signals, automated system for decision support being slowly consumed by virus, and anything and everything that may be vital for operational readiness that could be jammed or become incapacitated.

?

venku_Raj · Post by **venku_Raj** » 10 Nov 2011 09:32

Concerned Antony asks IAF to take steps to check crashes

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Nov 2011 10:47

IAF to hold MahaGujRaj 2011 over western region

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Nov 2011 11:02

Pratyush wrote:IAF to hold MahaGujRaj 2011 over western region

Maharashtra, Gujarat, Rajasthan?

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 10 Nov 2011 11:08

yes thats where SWAC hangs out.

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Nov 2011 12:06

Well both of you have missed the most important aspect of the exercise.

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 10 Nov 2011 12:32

Pratyush wrote:Well both of you have missed the most important aspect of the exercise.

is either of these 2 quoted in the link

“In addition, joint operations will also be carried out with Southern Command, Army in conjunction with Exercise Sudershan Shakti,” he said.

All aircraft including Jaguars, MiG-29, MiG-27, MiG 21 Bison, Sukhoi-30 MKI and Mirage-2000 will take part in the exercise along with latest acquisitions like the Airborne Warning and Control System (AWACS) and some of the new networking systems,” the spokesperson added.

by new networking systems are referring to the MPR radars doing data transfers to aircrafts directly?

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Nov 2011 12:39

Nope...... That is just the end result of the recent modernisation of the force.

Bala Vignesh · Post by **Bala Vignesh** » 10 Nov 2011 12:46

Is it the AFNET and AWACS integration that you are hinting at???

Pratyush · Post by **Pratyush** » 10 Nov 2011 13:01

I give up.............

The month long duration of the exercise, and every thing that goes with it. If they are able to solve problems and keep serviceability up for the duration. Imagine the possibilities that are opened by that.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 13 Nov 2011 16:06

More orders for Mi-17 for IAF

India set to buy 59 more Russian helicopters in $1 bln deal

India is close to finalizing a second contract with Russia for another 59 Mi-17V-5 tactical transport helicopters after the phased delivery of the first 80 of these choppers began this fall, The Times of India reported on Sunday.

"The 59 more Mi-17s, which will cost around $1 billion, will be ordered under the follow-on clause in the first contract. They will also be weaponized for combat operations like the first 80," the paper said, referring to a well-informed source.

In November, India took the delivery of the first batch of 80 Mi-17V-5 helicopters ordered under a $1.345 billion deal in 2008.

A senior official at the Indian Defense Ministry confirmed to RIA Novosti that India was negotiating the purchase of an additional 59 helicopters from Russia.

"The negotiations are, indeed, going on. Possibly, a contract on the delivery of this additional batch of Mi-17 helicopters will be signed already this financial year, i.e. before March 31, 2012," he said

aniket · Post by **aniket** » 13 Nov 2011 16:46

It is widely known that the SU-30MKI can can refuel other SU-30MKI's.I have a question.
How many of these buddy refuel packs do we have,can they be attached to the aircraft in a short time or are they already integrated into some aircrafts available with some squadrons ?