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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Austin » 20 Mar 2017 11:14

srai wrote:
Austin wrote:^^ I was thinking if we can cut a deal with Ukraine and build this at HAL as logical replacement for An-32 of IAF , Antonov needs customer and would be happy to part technology to make this in india.

Better to lump 54 Avro replacement with 100 An-32 replacement. Airbus CN-295 with TATA partnership is in the works to replace the Avros. More viable to continue CN-295 with more orders.


TATA wont be doing any thing more than Screwdriver Giri with these CN-295 , all they will do is assemble this in India.

Atleast with An-132 we might have a chance to get the design/tot and lic to build it in India.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Bheeshma » 20 Mar 2017 11:18

Why would Ukraine agree to such a deal ? If it goes to HAl then expect screwdriver giri again.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Indranil » 20 Mar 2017 11:27

How many will screwdriver An-132. It was brought to light by the Saudis financing it with Taqnia. Why would they let it go? Anyways, this is too close to the 295s. For the same reason, Il-114s don't make sense. HAL should try the medium 20-40 Ton freighters and RTAs.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby srai » 20 Mar 2017 16:35

Austin wrote:...

Atleast with An-132 we might have a chance to get the design/tot and lic to build it in India.


Don't count on JVs too much. Look what has happened to the MTA.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby putnanja » 20 Mar 2017 16:59

We still don't have the full ToT for SU-30MKIs or for T-90s. Its just a little more than screwdrivergiri. In fact, many learnings of Hawk were applied to LCA and now to HTT-40, like the processes and such, which means India at least gained something on the manufacturing side. Learnings for license building Russian items seems more like what not to do than what to do better.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Rakesh » 24 Mar 2017 23:06

Indian Air Force to acquire at least 60 Airbus C-295 transport aircraft
http://indianewengland.com/2017/03/indi ... -aircraft/

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Austin » 25 Mar 2017 00:03

Did C-295 compete with other types in its class to win out right or this was single vendor approach ? US had offered any options , I recollect ATR-72 was also offered.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Indranil » 25 Mar 2017 01:54

Main opponent was the C-27J Spartan. Proposals from Ilyushin and Antonov came and went.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby ranjan.rao » 25 Mar 2017 02:49

Regarding the C295: The total no.s built so far is 136; that is across 15 countries; and our initial order is close to half of it; orders may go up in future once Tatas start producing it

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Aditya G » 25 Mar 2017 03:38

I like C-295 because the base aircraft has several variants including AEW and MR.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby srai » 25 Mar 2017 09:27

IMO, C-295 is a good choice. Mature product with lots of variants. If Indian armed forces and paramilitaries standardize on it, there would be more than 200 units on order.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby abhik » 25 Mar 2017 21:09

AFAIK this is a single vendor contest, C-27J could not compete because the AW chopper scam, not sure about the Russian and Ukrainian planes. So we don't really know if we are getting the best in terms of price and/or know-how. If the aim was to support an alternative aircraft manufacturer to HAL then the tender should have based the selection on which proposal has the best transfer of know-how in the relevant areas and what % of work gets done here. For example why should the first 14 be imported, How did they come up with that number? May be some one would have offered all 60 to be assembled/manufactured right here. But I doubt the MoD will squeeze much out of the vendor, it might basically be a free lunch for Airbus/Tata.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby srai » 26 Mar 2017 06:29

^^^

Competitive bidding/selection process sounds good on paper but doesn't necessarily get the results you are describing. Look what happened to the MMRCA process where the Rafale came out the winner. The lesson there is that no country will part with the know-how's of their critical technologies and will make costs so prohibitively expensive in order to deter their transfer. Besides, a competitive process in India takes a very long time--a decade plus. Better approach is G-2-G deals where strategic goals can be aligned.


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