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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby suryag » 27 Dec 2010 11:10

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Austin » 27 Dec 2010 11:17

Dileep wrote:Had the opportunity to talk to a paanwala somewhere in the pvt sector, who sold paan to the people working late midnight, trying to grab some slices of RTA pie. Heard the term NCAD (National Civil Aircraft Development) for the first time. Did a search here at BRF, got no hits. Checked googlammaan and got the site: http://www.nal.res.in/ncad/index.htm

I found that the same LCA habit of shooting the moon does persist. The apparent target is to 'out-spec the 787'.


787 Dreamliner is the best spec civil aircraft till date ,the best part about it is 50 % composite by weight.

RTA and Dreamliner are in different category , RTA is in the category of Chinese ARJ21 ,Russian Superjet 100, Embrarer 190 which are 80-100 seater depending on its layout.

NAL should first target making the RTA competitive amongst its rival which itself is a tall task keeping schedule in mind but can be achieved if they select the right international risk sharing partner , gets the funding and get a llocal captive market

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Pratyush » 27 Dec 2010 15:07

indranilroy wrote:From whatever, I have read I have come across the Saras as a Dornier replacement. I would be very glad to know better.

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Even I was under the impression that the Saras will replace the 228.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Pratyush » 27 Dec 2010 15:11

neerajb wrote:
indranilroy wrote:^^^ This is not right. Hack and Saras are nowhere in same payload category. So Saras's where never meant to replace Hacks.


I believe you meant Avro HS 748, HACK is the name of the testbed that crashed and not all Avros are hack. Just nitpicking. :)

Cheers....


I thought HACK was the Avro which carried the LCA nose and avionics for the Air born tests in the early part of 2000s. The one which crashed was the ASP Avro.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby neerajb » 27 Dec 2010 15:45

Sorry, you are right. 'Hack' indeed is the second testbed and not the one that crashed. It was originally intended as an ASP platform and carried the rotodome assembly for some time and later used for Tejas radar.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby rohitvats » 27 Dec 2010 19:48

^^^The Avro test bed has been used for both testing the MMR and AWACS rodome....have pic of such a test besd with modified nose one and pylons on the roof for rodome - but without one.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Pratyush » 27 Dec 2010 20:26

Rohit

Please see the page 3/4 th of the way down. Is this what you are taliking about.

From the discription

Between 1996 and 1997, the ASP H-2176 was reconverted into a testbed for the avionics and radar of the Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). Now known as the 'Hack', the only major structural modification besides the removal of the rotodome assembly, was the addition of the LCA's nose cone in order to accomodate the Multi-Mode-Radar (MMR). Special provisions include a GPS based target tracking system, the Sigma-95 INS, a high density data recorder, a mission crew intercom system, ARINC-429 plus MIL-STD-1553B databuses, a dedicated thermal management system and an 120 KVA APU with 115V-400 hz AC, 230V-50 hz AC and 28 DC supplies. The aircraft also hosts 15 consoles with an equal number of operators. The post-processed data from radar testing is analyzed on the ground using the appropriate software tools. Even as the Hack was being configured, some elements of the ASP H-2175, now the only remaining ASP, were still undergoing integration, the fully integrated ASP system ready for demonstration only by August 1998.


The MMR radar is seen installed on the 'Hack' aircraft. This radar is being developed under the LCA 'Tejas' programme and has an intended detection range of 120 km vs a 2 sq.m target. The Hack is offered for other testing purposes as well. (CABS via B Harry)

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Abhibhushan » 27 Dec 2010 22:24

^^The utilization of transport aircraft to try out / experiment with / train aircrew on new electronic/radar/avionic gadgets is an age old practice. In the 1950s there used to be a Dakta modified with an air interception radar used in the night fighter version of the Vampire that was attached to Number 10 Squadron to develop tactics and train the navigators on radar operators' role. A while later, the Navigation and Signals School used Dakotas modified as airborne class rooms to let trainee Navigators and Air Signallers learn their tricks of the trade. Later, in the early 80s, one Avro 748 was modified to try out the DARIN system before bits and pieces were fitted to an experimentally modified Jaguar to obtain IOC and FOC for the DARIN Jaguars. If I remember correctly, even that aircraft was called a 'Hack'. The use of another 748 a a 'Hack' to try out the LCA's electronic/Radar suit is therefore entirely 'normal' and 'traditional'.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby shiv » 28 Dec 2010 07:07

I have cross posted this video from the Intl Aerospace thread because it seems to be such a great illustration of what was discussed earlier in this thread. Although the video itself is of a tragic event you need to watch only from 20 sec to 35 sec.

Starting from 20 seconds watch the left (port) wing. You can see spoilers (that act like ailerons) lift up on that wing to cause the left wing to go down and the plane goes into a bank. Simultaneously the rudder is deflected to the left presumably to reduce the yaw mentioned by others.

Once the required bank angle is reached the spoilers go back to their resting position and the plane remains in a banking turn. When the pilot wants to level off - watch the right wing. Spoilers on the right wing lift up and the right wing is pushed down. Once the plane levels off - the spoilers go back to the neutral position. The rudder is deflected in the opposite direction while this happens. Just 15 seconds - from 20 to 35 sec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBwMJUOFmlM

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby ManjaM » 29 Dec 2010 06:47

Article from the latest issue of AW&ST -

IAF sees need for upto 18 C-130Js

The C-130Js in Indian service will be orimarily for special forces training and missions, with tactical freight as a secondary profile. The C-130J will give India its first all-weather airdrop capability


Some of the follow-on aircraft could be KC-130Js, which would feature tanking capability similar to that used by the USMC and Italian AF. The Indians intend to use the C-130Js to refuel helicopters


Besides the C-130, India is exploring other tactical airlifter acquisitions. the air force leaders have asked Alenia Aeronautica to supply information to support a potential buy of 16 C-27J Spartan medium transports, which are seen as a possible payload bridge between the An-32 and C-130J, while also serving as a long term AN-32 replacement

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby vic » 29 Dec 2010 10:19

I think C-27s are good planes and we should go place order for around 100-200 in one go and set up an assembly line rather than piece meal imports. C-27s order was placed by USA by competitive bidding hence a quick order may also be cost effective. C-27s are the proper replacement for Avros and An-32s. By the time we set up the production line, An-32s/Avros will start retiring in numbers. This tech base can later be used for turboprop RTA.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Rahul M » 29 Dec 2010 11:02

Aditya G wrote:
...NAL also sees possible demand for 150 military variants to replace the Indian air force's Antonov An-32 fleet....

Such claims of "possible demand" from IAF are more reason for heartburn. Will the IAF ever replace a rear ramp cargo hauler with a civvie passenger jet? In any case it is the HAL-UAC jv that will ultimately produce the An-32 replacement.

there is a very big military potential for an aircraft like this in MPA, ELINT, AEW&C etc.

we need literally dozens of MPA's.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby krisna » 31 Dec 2010 06:35

India's first C-130 heads for base in 2011
India's first two Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules aircraft will be flown from the United States to their home base at Hindon early next year.

The contract stipulates 80 percent availability of the C-130J fleet at any given time. To ensure this, Lockheed must supply an extensive support package to India because no infrastructure exists to maintain and repair the aircraft.
Support functions and programs include crew training and maintenance technicians, spares, ground support and test equipment, servicing carts, forklifts, loading vehicles and cargo pallets.
Lockheed also will supply a team of technical specialists based in India for the three-year initial support period at Hindon Air Force Base in Uttar Pradesh state which borders Nepal to the north.

Much of the on-board electronic equipment is Indian-designed and Indian-manufactured but contracts also have been signed with Western avionics firms, including FLIR Systems.

The first plane is to arrive in India just ahead of the Aero India Air Show Feb. 9-13 in Bangalore. The C-130J is set to be on show at the biannual event in the southwestern state of Karnataka.

The Indian air force's shopping list includes a confirmed order in March for an initial 10 Boeing heavy-lift C-17 Globemaster III aircraft to replace its IL-76 transporters.

India bought IL-76 aircraft in the 1980s and operates fewer than 20 of the planes. It has a 45-ton cargo capacity with a crew of six. The C-17 carries 70 tons and needs a crew of three and one person can operate the heavy-lift hydraulics for cargo handling.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby aditya_d » 31 Dec 2010 08:28

First C130J landing in India today ?

As per http://chhindits.blogspot.com/2010/12/f ... on-31.html

C-130J Super Hercules of the IAF to touch Indian soil on 31st Dec, 2010, in Jamnagar, and will remain in Delhi till 9th Jan, 2011, and will fly to Bangalore on 9th Jan with national media onboard, for LCA-IOC to be declared in Bangalore by Defence Minister A K Antony on Jan 10, 2011, and will be inducted into service on Feb 1, 2011 in Bangalore by the Minister. Year begins with a bang for IAF. Cheers!!

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby aditya_d » 31 Dec 2010 11:28

C-130Js arriving today - NDTV

http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/iafs- ... oday-76036

The first two of the six C-130 J Super Hercules transport Aircraft that the IAF has bought from the US will arrive at the Jamnagar base later today.


India's new airlift fleet will be based at Hindon Air Force Station.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby D Roy » 31 Dec 2010 12:20

"payload bridge" ... "range gap" .... nice cute terms.

The Agni 2P will "bridge the gap" by having a range of exactly 2749.99 kms which is between the Agni II which has range of 2749.98 km and the Agni III which has a range of of 2750 km.

India *must must must* buy a freaking transport plane for every particular load in the SUPREME INTERESTS of "Optimally" operating its transport fleet. So if there were transport planes which were discreetly optimal at 6,7,8,9,10,11 and .. so on, India would buy 5 each of each. The crowning glory would of course be if different countries produced each plane. then the MEA's transport diplomacy would be complete.

Let's shut down this stupid thread and all agree that India *must must must* operate the AN-32 for 5 -6 tonnes, the C-27 for 10-12 tonnes, the C-130 for 18-20 tonnes, the A-400 for 35-40 tonnes, The IL-476 for 55-60 tonnes, the C-17 for 65-70 tonnes, the An-124 for 130-150 tonnes and get hold of the incomplete second AN-225 airframe , pay Antonov more than we paid for the Gorshkov and keep it on standby for that sublime moment when 4 arjuns will have to be airlifted to Lhasa for the HHDL's victory parade. The range categories I have outlined are not for the sake of people on this thread - who by the way are ALL correct.

it is for those other aerospace entities to give them an idea of where the "gaps" are in India's transport fleet and how *they* can stand up to the plate and provide a * PAYLOAD bridge* for India's amazing conventional force modernization saga.

Investors meanwhile, please take note , my signature advice to you will be to invest in that company which is say currently testing a transp[ort plane in the say 95-100 tonne category because that is where the biggest discreet payload bridge is required.


Look boss multiple types operate karna hi khuda ki dain hain. Yeh sab commonality and all is "old and orthodox" thinking. The new and brave hindustan ne saari duniya ke aerospace industry ka thekha le rakha hai.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Pratyush » 31 Dec 2010 15:02

D Roy,

So you support the creation of a circus of diffrent payload transport aircrafts for the IAF. :P

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Lalmohan » 31 Dec 2010 17:42

i wonder if the lalchix know that they have a fanclub?

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Gilles » 04 Jan 2011 00:07

Austin wrote:Gilles AFAIK all the modern Airbus and Boeing have full quad digital FBW with no mechanical backup , only older aircraft had a mix of both , thats probably because the technology was not mature or they did not want to keep full faith in full FBW , a mechnical backup also added weight to the aircraft and perhaps added complexity , weight is always an issue for any aircraft.



I have just discovered that you were more correct in your post than I originally thought. The mechanical rudder I mentioned for the A-330 has been deleted from the more Modern Airbus 330, called "enhanced A-330" which basically are all models built after 2004. It has been replaced by a Fly by Wire rudder control which has an independent backup power source and control computer. Only the Horizontal Stab is still mechanical in these versions....

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Sanku » 05 Jan 2011 17:36

D Roy wrote:and keep it on standby for that sublime moment when 4 arjuns will have to be airlifted to Lhasa for the HHDL's victory parade.

Look boss multiple types operate karna hi khuda ki dain hain. Yeh sab commonality and all is "old and orthodox" thinking. The new and brave hindustan ne saari duniya ke aerospace industry ka thekha le rakha hai.


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Gilles » 14 Feb 2011 06:27

Those who have been following the C-17 thread and this one will remember that I have been claiming that the C-17 received a waiver in order to carry the M-1 Abrams tank, and that other operators of C-17 that have main battle tanks, have never carried them in the C-17, namely the UK and their Challenger tanks and the Canadians and their Leopard II tanks. When around Oct or Nov the Canadians announced that they would soon be shipping 20 new Leoaprd II tanks to Afghanistan, I wrote on this forum that this airlift would be done not with one of the 4 C-17s that the Canadians own, but with An-124s. Of course, there are people who are going to find all sorts of excuses for this, but still claim that it COULD have been done in a C-17. Right!


http://www.defpro.com/news/details/21760/?SID=429b555ba876a5df4e25a89b81d9a44b

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby GeorgeWelch » 14 Feb 2011 06:35

Gilles wrote:Of course, there are people who are going to find all sorts of excuses for this, but still claim that it COULD have been done in a C-17. Right!


It was cheaper to ship via An-124 back then and it still is, nothing's changed.

The US shipped some MRAPs to Iraq with an An-124. I guess that 'proves' an MRAP won't fit on a C-17 too :rotfl:

Gilles wrote:namely the UK and their Challenger tanks


And of course I linked you to a quote of someone who personally helped load the Chally2 on a C-17, but you conveniently forgot that :roll:

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Gilles » 14 Feb 2011 07:27

GeorgeWelch wrote:
And of course I linked you to a quote of someone who personally helped load the Chally2 on a C-17, but you conveniently forgot that :roll:


Thats an anonymous person a Forum who says he did it. No article, no picture, no proof.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Gilles » 14 Feb 2011 07:33

GeorgeWelch wrote:
It was cheaper to ship via An-124 back then and it still is, nothing's changed.


And please explain to me one more time why its cheaper for one An-124 to carry one Leopard II than it is for one C-17 to carry one Leopard ii (for the An-124 can only carry one Leo II at a time)

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby GeorgeWelch » 14 Feb 2011 08:20

Gilles wrote:Thats an anonymous person a Forum who says he did it. No article, no picture, no proof.


Kind of like your claim it's impossible to load a Chally2 on a C-17? No article, no picture, no proof :D

Gilles wrote:And please explain to me one more time why its cheaper for one An-124 to carry one Leopard II than it is for one C-17 to carry one Leopard ii (for the An-124 can only carry one Leo II at a time)


You've posted the figures before, I'm sure you could dig them out if you cared.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Sanku » 14 Feb 2011 19:31

Thanks Gillies; meanwhile with all the Single vendor contracts coming back and biting the Govt in a big way; I do hope IAF/MoD still looks at reason while there is time and does not set the stage for another round for muck raking via CAG.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Lalmohan » 14 Feb 2011 20:38

you see how evil you yindoos are? nice goraloge come to BRF and soon start fighting with each other!!
chee chee

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Tanaji » 15 Feb 2011 16:28

Sanku wrote:Thanks Gillies; meanwhile with all the Single vendor contracts coming back and biting the Govt in a big way; I do hope IAF/MoD still looks at reason while there is time and does not set the stage for another round for muck raking via CAG.


Absolutely couldn't agree more. Start by scrapping the mother of all single vendor deals i.e. the T90 purchase.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Sanku » 15 Feb 2011 17:03

Tanaji wrote:
Sanku wrote:Thanks Gillies; meanwhile with all the Single vendor contracts coming back and biting the Govt in a big way; I do hope IAF/MoD still looks at reason while there is time and does not set the stage for another round for muck raking via CAG.


Absolutely couldn't agree more. Start by scrapping the mother of all single vendor deals i.e. the T90 purchase.


:rotfl:

I am not asking to remake history, only not make further mistakes in future/present.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Philip » 15 Feb 2011 17:19

There's a gorious pic of a MI-26 salvaging a downed US helicopter in Afghanistan,a helo called the ...er...Chinook,supposed to be its contender in the heavylift stakes! Russian manufacturers have assured the IAF/GOI that IL-76MDs earlier acquired for the Phalcons would be replaced by upgraded IL-476s with better avionics,engines,economy,etc.,for the extra 3 Phalcon platforms.The same has been accepted.This ends any doubt as to new IL-476/IL-78 tanker production availablity,plus the new Ukranian govt. is in concert with Russia,streamlining its entire defence industry to mesh with Russia so that there would be no stoppage of earlier Ukranian-Russian joint weapon systems still in demand worldwide.All IAF AN-32 transports are being upgraded in concert with Ukraine/Russia.

PS:Out of contxt here,but since there is a quote about T-90s and the FMS route,the T-90 acquisition was a knee-jerk reflex by the IA/GOI in the wake of Pak's coup of acquiring at low cost hundreds of Ukranian T-80UDs after the collapse of the USSR,dramatically altering the armour qualitative balance in its favour .At that time,no western nation was willing to sell us their wares,even if was possible at exorbitant unafffordable prices.The T-90 deal was thus concluded as Arjun had not matured by then as it had not taken the IA into the loop in its development as was the case with the LCA too.It was only after Arjun matured several years later and was found superior in many respects to the T-90,that extra Arjuns have been ordered and a MK-2 version being developed to rectify/improving Mk-1s shortcomings.Here we must remember an impotant point,the disparity in size and weight between the three-man crewed T-72/90 and the four-man crew of Arjun,making it more difficult to transport Arjun.Arjun also comes in at a greater cost than a T-90 and we must admit,is not entirely indigenous contains a v.high % of foreign components,with some official sources saying that costwise about 70% foreign.One is sure now that Arjun will be ordered in larger numbers in the future especially when Mk-2 arrives with the upgrades that the IA has requested.

Another vital factor to remember that the production rate of Arjuns,T-90s and T-72 upgrades all being done simultaneously by HVF,leaves a lot to be desired,as all programmes are reportedly behind schedule.Perhaps a second HVF establishment should be set up or expansion of the existing facility.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Surya » 15 Feb 2011 18:24

I am not asking to remake history, only not make further mistakes in future/present.


So you agree that T 90 was a stinker and a mistake :mrgreen:

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Sanku » 15 Feb 2011 18:51

Surya wrote:
I am not asking to remake history, only not make further mistakes in future/present.


So you agree that T 90 was a stinker and a mistake :mrgreen:


Only with the fact that it was purchased without multi-vendor bid. With the tank and deal details, TINA factor plays out.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Baldev » 15 Feb 2011 19:45

Sanku wrote:
Surya wrote:So you agree that T 90 was a stinker and a mistake :mrgreen:


Only with the fact that it was purchased without multi-vendor bid. With the tank and deal details, TINA factor plays out.
abram needs refueling every 4 hours and leo2 needs refueling every 12 hours this is true for t80 and t90
t80 sucks more fuel because of turbine engine compared to t90's diesel engine.and as far as multi vendor bid was concerned abram,chally,leo were all 20 or more tons heavier to replace t72 on one on one basis.and pak already getting t80 so it was out of question.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Surya » 15 Feb 2011 19:55

Ok ok

off topic for this thread

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Gilles » 02 Mar 2011 08:05

There is news that the IAF may deploy IL-76s to evacuate Indian citizens from Libya

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Craig Alpert » 03 Mar 2011 05:08

IAF aircraft to join evacuation operations from Libya
NEW DELHI: As Libya swiftly descended into civil war, India decided to use an Il-76 transport aircraft of the IAF to ferry stranded citizens. From Thursday, the "Gajraj" aircraft will ferry people between Sirde in Libya and Cairo.

A wide-bodied aircraft has also been requisitioned by Air India to ferry people out of Sebha, sources said.

Sirde and Sebha are two towns with 2,000-strong concentrations of Indians each.


Officials acknowledged that India had been slow to start evacuation, but was currently taking out about 1,000 people every day and promised to complete the process by next week.

Even as China seemed on the verge of completing evacuation operations in Libya, having already pulled out over 32,000 of its nationals from the country, India only had a little over 6,000 evacuees to show for its efforts till Wednesday evening. The Chinese figure of 32,000 evacuees, mostly being doled out by official news agencies, however, seemed to have stirred a debate with foreign secretary Nirupama Rao herself saying that there was "no clarity'' over the number of Chinese evacuees.
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Close to 12,000 Indians though are still stranded in the country, many of them in the interiors who are finding it increasingly difficult to reach Tripoli from where evacuation flights are operating.

A ship, MV Scotia Prince, carrying 1,188 Indians docked in Alexandria on Wednesday night. After their papers are processed, they will travel back to India on EgyptAir flights. The ship will turn around to go back to Benghazi, reaching on March 5 to pick up another 1,100 Indians.

A second ship may be put into service in a more sensitive part of Libya where some Indians are stuck.

Officials said Indian companies were actually sending their managers back into Libya to help bring back their employees. This is very different from companies from other countries who are leaving their Asian employees behind.

Three flights -- two Boeing 747s and one Airbus-330 -- brought back 1,045 Indians from Tripoli early Wednesday. Another three flights have left for Tripoli and are expected to ferry back 1,002 people. Three daily flights to Tripoli will continue over the coming days and these may be stepped up, said the foreign ministry.

Separately, a chartered flight carrying 78 Indians from Sirde (Libya) reached Larnaca ( Cyprus) on Tuesday evening. These people will be booked on commercial flights to India.

So far 126 Indians have left Libya in small numbers on their own, in coordination with Indian missions in and around Libya, the MEA said. As many as 267 Indians have, by now, crossed over to Salloum ( Egypt) by the land route and the Indian embassy in Cairo has already facilitated the return of some 180 of them in batches, to Mumbai by regular Gulf Air flights, it said.

Also, close to 1,400 people persons have reached Djerba in Algeria, where the Indian embassy staff from Tunis have put them up in hotels.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby GeorgeWelch » 03 Mar 2011 06:38

Philip wrote:There's a gorious pic of a MI-26 salvaging a downed US helicopter in Afghanistan,a helo called the ...er...Chinook,supposed to be its contender in the heavylift stakes!


I'm not really sure what your point is, but since photos of Chinooks getting lifted gets you excited, here's a Chinook lifting a Chinook:
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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby arnab » 03 Mar 2011 07:12

Sanku wrote:

Only with the fact that it was purchased without multi-vendor bid. With the tank and deal details, TINA factor plays out.


Now this is what is known as circular logic :) If there was no alternative to T-90 (TINA), then there is obviously no point in having a multi-vendor process. Which is why you should read the DPP in full and understand why it also allows for a single vendor option (instead of quoting a minister's speech which touched one aspect of DPP).

Assuming that "LMGs and Bazookas on the back of a Qualis" is not an alternative to the T-90 (because that is not what the army wants, hence TINA), then in the same vein, C-17 has the TINA factor even more sharply for that particular class of aircraft.

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Surya » 03 Mar 2011 08:44

oh arnab

you know the answer - he will come back and say how do you know the TINA factor applies till RFIs were issued yada yada

:)

george - good one

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Re: Transport Aircraft for IAF

Postby Gilles » 04 Mar 2011 09:10

A picture of K-3000 undergoing heavy maintenance in Russia

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