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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 13 Nov 2012 12:01

darshhan wrote:<SNIP>Vivek ji, I think that Ghatak platoons attached to RR battalions are used for COIN ops. However the Ghatak platoons which are attached to regular infantry battalions will be used for supporting regular combat operations. I was reading somewhere that these Ghataks can be used for operations requiring shallow ingress thereby freeing Special forces to carry out operations deep behind enemy lines. Also SF targets will be relatively more strategic in nature.

The idea is to provide the commanding officer of the battalion with his own mini SF detatchment.


Ghatak Platoon is organic to a battalion and is formed from the men within the battalion. It more often than not consists of the most fit men from the paltan and generally led by a young subaltern. So, there is no attachment business here....

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Postby darshhan » 13 Nov 2012 13:36

^^Thanks for the correction. Meant the same but used the wrong word

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Postby Will » 13 Nov 2012 15:18

koti wrote:Army Orders for Local Sights
Link


The army has been complaining of night blindness. This should certainly help. The weight should still be brought down to 2-2.5 kg IMHO but a great start nevertheless. Indian industry and Indian brains can acheive great things if the GOI and the Army gives them a chance instead of the fetish for all things foreign.

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Postby Kersi D » 13 Nov 2012 20:59

rohitvats wrote:3 divisions with organic helicopter support and airlift.... :eek: :eek: :shock: .....no wonder it will cost 65000 crores!!!!

VK Singh seems to have planned for assault on Lhsasa...!!!!


:D :D :D :D

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Aaryan » 13 Nov 2012 23:17

Happy Diwali to our brave Jawans and Officers of Indian armed forces.. And also to our Jingos.. :D

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Postby member_23629 » 14 Nov 2012 00:01

Ordered to do menial tasks, Army jawans desert Patiala unit

Chandigarh: In yet another breach of discipline in the Indian Army, around 16 soldiers of an armoured regiment based in Patiala left their unit after being forced by their seniors to perform 'menial tasks'.

As per reports, the jawans were part of the 56 Armoured Regiment stationed at Patiala as part of the elite 1 Armoured Division.

The jawans were allegedly asked by some officers to carry out 'menial tasks'. They allegedly protested stating that they belonged to Army's clerk cadres and were supposed to do specific tasks only, The Indian Express reported.


Reports stated that the soldiers returned to their regimental centre in Ahmednagar after the Commanding Officer (CO) issued orders to punish them for showing dissent.

CO had the jawans put through a 'Battle Physical and Proficiency Test (BPET) which requires one to run several kilometres and cross obstacles in full battle gear. They were then forced to do a 'route march’.

The newspaper added that queries to Western Command's Chandimandir-based headquarters went unanswered and no statement was issued in this regard.

Over a 1,000 soldiers have committed suicide since 2003, with the yearly toll regularly climbing over 100. Incidents of fragging (to kill or wound a fellow soldier) have also become a regular phenomenon in the 1.13-million strong Army.

A report by the Defence Institute of Psychological Research had held that "perceived humiliation and harassment, over and above occupational and familial causes", by their superiors often serves as the final "trigger" for jawans in stress-related cases in the forces.

The Army has, meanwhile, ordered a probe into the matter.

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Postby member_22906 » 14 Nov 2012 00:41

^^

Not understood the report clearly. Is the dissent shown because the clerks were ordered to do BPET? :shock:

Is that the "menial task" that upset them? Or have I got it wrong in my understanding?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Will » 14 Nov 2012 00:52

Has the army got rid of that colonial concept of orderlies yet? Red somewhere that the practice was to be abolished or was already abolished. Dont rightly remember.

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Postby Gaur » 14 Nov 2012 04:34

Army cannot take that decision on its own. It had sent a proposal to MOD to do away with the system.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... lonels-sas

The Army headquarters has suggested that the 'sahayaks' be replaced by civilian personnel. Sources said Shimla-based Army Training Command carried out a detailed study of the concept of buddy system existing in major armies around the world. The study was ordered by General V K Singh early on his tenure as Army chief. The training command submitted several scenarios, from which the final 'solution' was submitted to the ministry.


The Army proposes to replace soldiers with two kinds of civilians - Service Assistants (SA) and Non-Combatant Assistants (NCA). It would require 2,358 SAs and 22,620 NCAs to replace sahayaks. The Army has projected a monthly expenditure of Rs 3.54 crore for the SAs and Rs 11.31 crore for NCAs. The annual expenditure for the civilian setup to be brought in place of 'sahayaks' would be Rs 178.20 crore a year, according to Army estimates.

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Postby srin » 14 Nov 2012 08:52

Gaur wrote:Army cannot take that decision on its own. It had sent a proposal to MOD to do away with the system.

http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes ... lonels-sas

The Army headquarters has suggested that the 'sahayaks' be replaced by civilian personnel. Sources said Shimla-based Army Training Command carried out a detailed study of the concept of buddy system existing in major armies around the world. The study was ordered by General V K Singh early on his tenure as Army chief. The training command submitted several scenarios, from which the final 'solution' was submitted to the ministry.


The Army proposes to replace soldiers with two kinds of civilians - Service Assistants (SA) and Non-Combatant Assistants (NCA). It would require 2,358 SAs and 22,620 NCAs to replace sahayaks. The Army has projected a monthly expenditure of Rs 3.54 crore for the SAs and Rs 11.31 crore for NCAs. The annual expenditure for the civilian setup to be brought in place of 'sahayaks' would be Rs 178.20 crore a year, according to Army estimates.


Would these civilians have protection under Geneva Convention ? Or would they be restricted to non-combatzones only ?

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Postby Virupaksha » 14 Nov 2012 10:33

srin wrote:Would these civilians have protection under Geneva Convention ? Or would they be restricted to non-combatzones only ?

Srin,

The abuse of the Sahayak system is more severe in non-combat zones and during peace time. During war, somebody needs to cover officers while they are performing coordinating, radioing or for acting as a runner or as a driver. These are very important army duties for which sometimes exclusive personnel are needed and if the sahayak system was used exclusively for this, no one would have looked twice.

Using soldiers to help out for the families or getting the dress ready and using them for shoe polish, i.e. the abuse in non-combat peace zones is what brings the system to disrepute. For example each and every single one of the sahayak right now in Delhi is a gross abuse. That some of these duties are "official" doesnt make the duties or system right.

Some sahayaks are used by MoD civilian personnel as domestic helps and it was rumoured/conjectured that this was where the MoD reluctance came from.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby member_22906 » 14 Nov 2012 10:41

Here we go again... Now where did the Sahayak link come into this news report? :roll:

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Postby Virupaksha » 14 Nov 2012 10:46

Ajay Sharma wrote:Here we go again... Now where did the Sahayak link come into this news report? :roll:

Does Indian army have sahayak system? Then it comes under this thread, whether one likes it or not. Suddenly do we have problems for writing inside the thread topic itself.

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Postby member_22906 » 14 Nov 2012 11:14

^^
Pls go through my question again... "Where did the Sahayak link come into this news report?"

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Postby rohitvats » 14 Nov 2012 12:18

While it would not be appropriate to guess-estimate what happened in 56 AR w/o further information, IMO, this argument of doing specific tasks in the army is BS of the highest order. Generally, troops in the Clerks Grade would not be asked to do anything outside their scope of work - they are a rare commodity as it is.

But there may be a possible explanation for this act - 56 AR is a new formation - it has been raised recently under the expansion plan authorized for the Armored Corps. And mind you, when a new unit/formation is raised, the entire set up is beehive of activity with hell lot of stuff required to be done. So, in such circumstances, it is likely that some personnel were asked to do what can be conceived by them as 'menial task'. On top of this, I would really be interested to know the age bracket of this group of dissenters.

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Postby ASPuar » 14 Nov 2012 19:21

Dunno how these armoured regiments do it, but in an Infantry battalion, EVERY soldier is an infantryman, regardless whether he is a cook, cleaner, washerman, clerk or what have you. Everyone does what he is told. And no task is too menial.

It will probably turn out that these fellows were asked to pitch in, and didnt. They will have been very unkindly put upon by their colleagues who had to fill in for them.

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Postby member_22906 » 14 Nov 2012 19:26

^^
Agree that the Clerks Grade generally won't get the "ragda" of BPET, however, technically everyone in the unit is expected to do. If this was a case of they feeling BPET to be "menial", then its very surprising

Either ways, not a good news in terms of this happening and (ofcourse) this getting the bytes in media

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Postby member_22906 » 14 Nov 2012 20:10

ASPuar wrote:Dunno how these armoured regiments do it, but in an Infantry battalion, EVERY soldier is an infantryman, regardless whether he is a cook, cleaner, washerman, clerk or what have you. Everyone does what he is told. And no task is too menial.


Not sure of how it is in Armoured Regts, but in Inf and Arty all grades have a primary weapon assigned to them and the well oiled units ensure that these folks (cooks, washermen, drivers, etc.) go through their basic training including acceptable levels of physical fitness

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Postby narmad » 15 Nov 2012 02:40

The way i read the news item and chain of events

.> Some Offiers of armoured regiment based in Patiala asked Army's clerk cadres to carry out 'menial tasks'.
.> They allegedly protested.
.> Commanding Officer (CO) issued orders to punish them for showing dissent.
.> CO had the jawans put through a 'Battle Physical and Proficiency Test (BPET) which requires one to run several kilometres and cross obstacles in full battle gear. They were then forced to do a 'route march’.
.> These soldiers left their unit returned to their regimental centre in Ahmednagar.

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Postby atreya » 15 Nov 2012 06:27

Ajay Sharma wrote:^^
Agree that the Clerks Grade generally won't get the "ragda" of BPET, however, technically everyone in the unit is expected to do. If this was a case of they feeling BPET to be "menial", then its very surprising

Either ways, not a good news in terms of this happening and (ofcourse) this getting the bytes in media


From what I can infer from the news report, the BPET and route march were the punishments and not the 'menial tasks' they were asked to do. They do not mention anywhere what exactly those tasks were.

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Postby Sachin » 15 Nov 2012 10:49

Ajay Sharma wrote:Not understood the report clearly. Is the dissent shown because the clerks were ordered to do BPET?

If I got it right. The deserters landed back at their Regimental Centre, and then they were put on BPET and a route march as punishment. The 'menial task' business happened before this. BTW, are'nt clerks in Army "combatised"? That is they are as good as a regular soldier, with the clerk part being a trade.

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Postby akimalik » 15 Nov 2012 15:50

Hi all,

I have a personal request and I wanted to know if anyone can help me.

My mausaji is son of Brig. Hoshiyar Singh who won the PVC in 1962.
On 27th Nov 2012, there is a function being held in his village in remembrance of his supreme sacrifice 50 years ago.
My mausaji wanted to know if there is any Defence Correspondent who would be interested in covering this event.

Does any one have any suggestions / links?

Thanking you in Anticipation,
aX

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Postby Hiten » 15 Nov 2012 16:52

akimalik wrote:Hi all,

I have a personal request and I wanted to know if anyone can help me.

My mausaji is son of Brig. Hoshiyar Singh who won the PVC in 1962.

is it Col Hoshiar Singh, PVC you are referring to?
http://twdi.in/node/1061
MAJOR Hoshiar Singh, 3 GRENADIERS, (IC-14608)
: 1971 : India
http://india.gov.in/myindia/paramvircha ... _list1.php

No Brigadier by that name, in the list, who won a PVC in'62

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Postby kenop » 15 Nov 2012 17:07

Officer-jawan acrimony denting morale
quoting full report
With as many as four incidents of serious face-offs between officers and jawans in the last one year alone, the Army has realised that there is an urgent need for bridging the generational gap between the two sides at the operational units.

A recent study by the Army also found that the vital connection between officers and jawans, crucial for fighting battles, is slowly fading out and this can pose serious problems of man management.

Hence, the new human resource development policy — titled Professional Military Education — put in place by the Army since last week calls for special focus on having more junior officers and giving them longer stints in the operational units to increase camaraderie among the unit members.

Facing acute shortage of officers in battalions, having just about six officers against the sanctioned 20 officers), the study leave policy has also been completely rehauled. Officers will now avail of study leave only after serving mandatory years in the field. But they can undertake only those courses which are relevant to their present job profile.

Even junior commissioned officers (JCO) or jawans will now be given opportunity for undertaking courses normally meant for junior officers. Further, the stress is more on usage of internet and online facilities for studies.

At present, there is an overall shortage of more than 12,000 officers despite the Government taking several measures to make a career in the armed forces more attractive.

The posting of junior officers, officials said, will ensure that they spend more time in their units in the field while studying through the internet facilities. Sources said one of the main reasons of face offs was shortage of junior officers in units operating in stressful environment like counter-insurgency. And reworking of study leave will enable more officers to be in the field rather than undergoing courses at far off places.

Explaining the ground situation, officials said, at present, there only six to seven officers present in a battalion (1,000 men) instead of the sanctioned strength of 20 officers. Most units are managed by 10-12 officers and out of those three are generally on study leave while one or two are on annual leave. This puts tremendous pressure on the remaining five or six officers thereby affecting their performance and growing distance with the men they lead, officials said.

As per the new HR policy, courses have been categorized as “must do, should do” and “could do”. Preference will be given to “must do” courses, which are generally professional in nature like studying strategy or weapon craft or related topics, officials said.

This will give more exposure to jawans and at the same time free the junior officer to be in the unit and interact more with his men, learn about their problems and generally act as their elder brother or mentor.

Giving specific examples of restricting study leave, officials said now an officer will be allowed to sit for the Staff College examination only after completing 12 years of service. Earlier, an officer could appear for this examination till the age of 34 years.

This led to officers concentrating more on studies than their professional duties resulting in neglect of the men under their command. Officials said the issue came up for discussion during the recently concluded army commanders’ conference.

They said these measures meant for cutting edge officers in the service bracket of six to 15 years and who have to lead their men into battle will see the strength of officers in units going up by 18 to 20 per cent in the next one year or so.

Moreover, only combat arms officers like infantry, armoured corps and artillery will now undergo the Junior Officers’ course instead of all the army officers made to do the course earlier. This measure will free many more officers for field duties, sources said.

One thing that I have not been able to understand is that the shortfall of number of officers in the army is always around the same levels. It was 20 years ago that I read the shortfall was 15000. Could it be one of the "30% of NASA engineers are Indians" type number that gets quoted without any checks/confirmation from reliable sources?

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Postby rohitvats » 15 Nov 2012 20:08

I think what the above report tries to convey is that Junior Officers will spend more time doing Regimental Duties then on courses and may be less on (not mentioned-my interpretation) various courses and staff duties. But it uses the term 'Study Leave' erroneously...Study Leave is a special term used when officers after X amount of service can avail 2-year paid leave to pursue professional courses.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby akimalik » 15 Nov 2012 21:00

Hiten wrote:No Brigadier by that name, in the list, who won a PVC in'62


no I am referring to Brig. Hoshiyar Singh of the Jat Regiment
Refer to the links below:
1962 War: The Chinese invasion - III
The Se La Debacle of 1962


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Postby ASPuar » 16 Nov 2012 00:43

An amazing video on Indian Army Aviation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFRawI-bEw4

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Postby mody » 24 Nov 2012 17:29

The media exposure to the various corruption scandals that have dogged the army and the India military in the past few years have also contributed to the friction between the Jawans and the officers in the army.

During a recent visit to North sikkim, a jawan pointed out a 6x6 tatra truck to me and another civilian working with the army stating, "see thats the tatra truck that has been in the news for corruption". I discussed the issue with him and pointed out that the performance of the truck wasn't really a problem and what was the exact issue as far as the allegation of corruption was concerned. The jawan concurred that yes, the truck is able to climb the mountainous terrain easily when required and mentioned that he was aware that the over pricing of the trucks was the main issue.

Issues like this can breed a kind of cynicism in the minds of the ordinary Jawans, that the things at the top and in Delhi are not quite right. When a stressful incident then happens in their line of duty, the tempers flare up.

Incidently the jawan had also served previously in Nyoma and Demchok and when I mentioned about the incident at Demchok, he immediately said, yes there had been a fight between the officers and Jawans at Demchok. The posts at Demchok by the way can be seen from the chinese side with the help of Binoculars.

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Postby krisna » 28 Nov 2012 04:10

Take Pak to ICJ for war crimes: Martyr’s dad
Retired scientist N K Kalia will not rest in peace till he gets justice for his martyred son Captain Saurabh Kalia, who was captured, brutally tortured and killed by Pakistani intruders just before the Kargil conflict erupted in the summer of 1999.


Continuing his lonely 13-year-long battle, the senior Kalia is now knocking on the doors of the Supreme Court seeking directions to the Union government to take his son's case to the International Court of Justice (ICJ) at The Hague, contending the brutal torture of 22-year-old officer constituted a war crime in blatant violation of the Geneva Convention.

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Postby RoyG » 28 Nov 2012 06:05

Captain Kalia and his men were in captivity for over twenty-two (May 15, 1999 – June 7, 1999) days and subjected to torture as evident from their bodies handed over by Pakistan Army on June 9, 1999.[3] The postmortem revealed that the Pakistan army had tortured their prisoners by burning their bodies with cigarettes, piercing ear-drums with hot rods, puncturing eyes before removing them, breaking most of the teeth and bones, fractures of the skull, cutting the lips, chipping of nose, chopping off limbs and private organs of these soldiers besides inflicting all sorts of physical and mental tortures and finally shooting them dead, as evidenced by the bullet wound to the temple. The postmortem report also confirmed that injuries were inflicted ante-mortem (before death)[9][3][10][11][1]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saurabh_Kalia

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Postby Nikhil T » 28 Nov 2012 16:08

Re-arming the Indian Army's troops with lethal, modern weapons
New Delhi: The Indian Infantry - that hard working, non-complaining arm of the Army - is at last likely to get the attention it deserves, if plans envisaged by Army Chief General Bikram Singh and the Directorate of Infantry fructify in the next couple of years.

Starting 2014, several basic weapons used by the 350-odd infantry battalions are likely to be replaced by a new and more lethal ones. So the assault rifle, the carbine, the light machine gun (LMG), the sniper rifle and even the anti-tank guided missile (ATGM) - essentials in an infantry battalion - all are set to be replaced over the next five years. Many of these weapons, currently used by the troops are of 1960s vintage. The Dragunov sniper rifle, for instance. Or the ATGMs which are on second generation variety.

To begin with, the current mix of 7.62 self-loading rifle and the 5.56 INSAS rifle used by some battalions is likely to be replaced by a new double barrel rifle complete with a conversion kit which will enable the troops to make dual use.

"When an infantry battalion is deployed in counter-insurgency, counter-terrorism (CI-CT) role , it will have the option to use the 7.62 mm barrel but when it gets posted to a peace station, the 7.62 mm barrel can be mothballed in field stores and the same rifle can then be converted to 5.56 mm bore."

Each infantry battalion in the Indian Army normally holds about 494 pieces of the basic rifles. In the first phase, 120-odd battalions deployed in CI-CT role under Northern and Eastern Command will get these rifles by mid-2014. In phase II, transfer of technology will be ensured and the production will then be taken up by India's Ordnance Factory Board (OFB).

Well-known gun brands like Colt and Beretta are among five or six companies competing for the big tender of 60,000 assault rifles estimated to cost Rs. 5,000 crore at current prices. According to Army Headquarters, field trials are currently on and are expected to go on till mid-2013 before a winner emerges.

The current version of the LMGs - 45 in each battalion - are of 5.56 mm bore and are bulky at 6.23 kg. The Army plans to replace them with much lighter and more lethal ones with longer range and 7.62x51 mm bore. The general staff qualitative requirements (GSQR) for the new LMGs are being worked out currently, according to informed sources in the Army HQ.

Procurement of third generation ATGMs worth about Rs. 2,000 crore is being given priority since the current lot of eight launchers to each battalion is of much older vintage. The Army wants to graduate from the Milan ATGMs (which has a semi-automatic command line of sight) to a third generation ATGM which will be an 'automatic command line of sight' ability. In other words, it will have the "fire and forget" mechanism. Trials are currently on for this version of ATGMs in the western sector where they would be initially deployed given that tank warfare will dominate any conflict in this area.

The other big procurement on the anvil is the induction of the new generation carbine. India has plans to procure over 43,000 carbines at a cost of over Rs. 3,200 crore. Each infantry battalion currently holds an inventory of about 230 carbines. While trials are on, the first induction of the newer generation of carbines is likely to take place in 2014.

Sources in the Army HQ say Army Chief General Bikram Singh, an infantry officer himself, is keen that the foot soldiers in the forefront of CI-CT and conventional operations, get the best of weaponry to match their undoubted courage and commitment.

Sounds like a Press Release by Gen Bikram Singh in the face of recent scathing articles by Ajai Shukla.


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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Raja Bose » 29 Nov 2012 10:50

akimalik wrote:Hi all,

I have a personal request and I wanted to know if anyone can help me.

My mausaji is son of Brig. Hoshiyar Singh who won the PVC in 1962.
On 27th Nov 2012, there is a function being held in his village in remembrance of his supreme sacrifice 50 years ago.
My mausaji wanted to know if there is any Defence Correspondent who would be interested in covering this event.

Does any one have any suggestions / links?

Thanking you in Anticipation,
aX


Are you sure your mausaji's father won the PVC in '62? :-? AFAIK only 3 people won the PVC in 1962 - Dhan Singh Thapa, Joginder Singh and Shaitan Singh. The only Hoshiar Singh I know of who won the PVC was Col. Hoshiar Singh in 1971 (non-posthumous).

Anyhow you can contact Mandeep Bajwa (he is based in Chandigarh and was/is a member of BRF)- one of the admins can probably provide you his e-mail address.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 29 Nov 2012 13:53




So, one Indian Jawan is found guilty because his DNA matches that of one of the children while 3 others are reprimanded for command and control failure. So, how are 4 people found guilty of 'sexual misconduct'?

Secondly - IMO, this is a misconduct in a sense that the Jawans undertook an action which goes against the grain of the prescribed code of conduct by the Army and for UN Peace Keeping Missions. As per the reports, there is no case of any rape or forcible sexual intercourse - the liaison was between two consenting adults...AFAIK, outside of Army Court of Inquiry and code of conduct, this would not merit any case or have legal standing.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby anand_sankar » 29 Nov 2012 14:41

@rohitvats

Agree with you partially in the fact that it seems to be a consensual encounter so there is no criminal misconduct.

But every unit/contingent CO has the powers to set fraternization rules in the area of operation for the soldiers. If fraternization was banned and the soldier had relations with a local woman, he is guilty of misconduct. But the punishment will be far less than say with rape. And the immediate superiors can be censured for command failure.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 29 Nov 2012 14:54

Agreed Sir, that is what I said. And the officer(s) seem to have already been reprimanded for command failure.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby vishvak » 29 Nov 2012 14:55

Indian Army could take concrete steps to make sure that no one, least of all from amongst current bunch of sensationalizing reporters, has been given any automatic/default or procedural rights to play blame game and attempt to tarnish Indian Army's image under any misconceptions.

Headlines making such wild accusations and generalizing false reports should be matter concern.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby putnanja » 03 Dec 2012 08:22

Rifle-cramped army sets sights on five

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New Delhi, Dec. 2: The army is now evaluating five rifles, any which will become the standard issue firearm for the Indian soldier.


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The five competitors are well-known names, each inspiring movies and stories and each used in small and big wars around the globe. But none is as widely used as the original Avtomat Kalashnikov, designed by the eponymous Soviet General in 1949. The Insas itself is a derivative of the Kalash.

Beretta, Colt, Sig Sauer are among the American and/or US-Swiss weapons makers. Israel Weapons Industries’ two rifles — the Galil ACE and the Tavor TAR 21 — are in the fray. The TAR 21 is in limited use in the Indian Army’s special forces and some units in Jammu and Kashmir. The Ceska Brena, from the Czech Republic firm, has a new version of its Bren.

The army’s first order is likely to be for 66,000 rifles. The order is part of a programme called F-Insas — Future Infantry Soldier as a System. It has stipulated that the rifles must have inter-changeable barrels for both 5.56mm and 7.62mm rounds.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby putnanja » 03 Dec 2012 08:29

Now, Army to get own mini air force soon

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Army chief General Bikram Singh has approved the creation of a permanent cadre for the Army Aviation Corps (AAC) by the end of this month, which will operate light observation and attack helicopters in the short-term and medium-lift choppers and even fixed-wing aircraft in the long-term, sources said.

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Moreover, raising of "aviation brigades" for each of the 1.13-million strong Army's three "strike" and 10 "pivot" corps (each has around 75,000 soldiers) has already commenced, with one already in place at the 14 Corps deployed in Ladakh.

At present, the AAC operates around 250 light helicopters like Druv, Cheetah and Chetak, while attack and medium-lift choppers were always the IAF's preserve. The Army now wants one attack helicopter squadron (10-12 choppers) for its three "strike" formations - 1 Corps (Mathura), 2 Corps (Ambala) and 21 Corps ( Bhopal) -- in keeping with their primary offensive role. Moreover, it has plans to induct another 114 'Rudra' light combat helicopters for the 10 'pivot' corps.

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The force's long-term plans include a squadron each of attack/armed, reconnaissance/observation and tactical battle-support helicopters for all the 13 corps. In addition, the force wants each of its six regional or operational commands to get "a flight" of five fixed-wing aircraft for tactical airlift of troops and equipment.

At present, the AAC has a temporary cadre of around 10,000 personnel, half of them being technicians. The other 5,000 come on deputation of two to three years from the infantry, artillery, air defence, mechanized infantry and the like. "These 5,000 will now be given the option to opt permanently for AAC," said a source.
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IAF is worried that it will lead to sheer duplication of efforts and waste of scarce resources. The Army, however, is all gung-ho about getting its own "tactical" mini air force, implying IAF can continue with its "strategic" air role.


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