Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby keshavchandra » 07 Mar 2013 18:43

Just see the video, how effective aerostat are, to locate and then defuse (By the ground troops) the road side IED by US army in Afghanistan. Even with aerostat the control room track down the person who planted the IED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkxIfyvf_k

As seen, it is very effective for the border security and surveillance to use aerostat during piece time. On western border why we still have a mere of three of Akashdeep aerostat till now. At least IA should place a order of two dozen of aerostat for the line of control in J&K for the surveillance.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ramana » 07 Mar 2013 21:51

rohitvats, I think there is congurence with PRC on post 2014 sub-continent situation.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby srai » 08 Mar 2013 01:13

rohitvats wrote:^^^Good news.

30 Infantry Battalions will suffice for 3 x Infantry/Mountain Divisions + additional 1 x Infantry/Mountain Bde.

What is important to understand is that if components for MSC (2 x Mountain Divisions) are going to be raised between 2012-2017 (12th Five Year Plan), then, we can assume that the above increment ( in 13th Plan from 2017 to 2022) is in addition to what has been proposed for MSC.

Post 2002, it was surmised that IA wanted between 7-11 new divisions. With 2 x Division already operational in NE and 2 x Divisions required for MSC, these 30 Battalions/3 x Division would take the total to 7 new divisions being added to overall strength of the army.


With the budget being cut, how will IA be able to do all this? There are a lot of huge (multi-billion dollar) modernisation plans from individual weapons to artillery to tanks & ICVs to air-defense to aviation brigades. I don't think there is enough money for all this.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rohitvats » 08 Mar 2013 10:25

ramana wrote:rohitvats, I think there is congurence with PRC on post 2014 sub-continent situation.


How do we place the above increment in capacity and capability with the above? When the bulk of planned increment will be against China? Thanks.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Lalmohan » 08 Mar 2013 13:18

there is congruence on how to manage the wooly brigade spreading into uiguristan

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby nelson » 08 Mar 2013 15:17

Life at OTA, an e-book. OTA celebrated its Golden Jubilee POP yesterday.

http://issuu.com/unigross/docs/bookfinal

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby schowdhuri » 08 Mar 2013 22:52

Katare wrote:It's no different in any other field. Only 1 CEO, a few VPs and a hand full of Directors and couple of hundred managers would run a company with 100 K people.

Without this cut throat competition and rejection at each level, we'll end up with a very top heavy structure loaded with people who didn't really earn their place on merit alone. Financial compensation and help with finding other opportunities outside armed forces should be the way to solve this problem.


No. How many people in the pvt sector (let's not even talk about the sarkari jobs) don't reach at least the upper side of middle mgmt? Army is full of excellent officers, who retire at Col. stage.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rsingh » 12 Mar 2013 22:51

Officers Mess in Mumbai has waste choice of Chinese food. That was a big slap on my face. What a loss of H&D. In Europe such food is served in cheepest Chinese jugads which are frequented by lowest income groups.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Surya » 12 Mar 2013 22:55

In Europe such food is served in cheepest Chinese jugads which are frequented by lowest income groups.


that's just silly

So called Chinese food (aka Indo chinese) is part of the Indian tableau from cheapest to expensive

as long as it is well made - everything else is just sill H&D


PS: Europe has by average the lousiest Chinese food-

nelson

thanks for that great link

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Lalmohan » 12 Mar 2013 23:17

chinese restaurants mimic the cuisine habits of their host environments - if you got authentic chinese food, you might not want to eat it!!

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby shiv » 13 Mar 2013 06:33

:D There is no such thing as authentic Chinese food in India. It is always something adjusted to the Indian palate and spiced up to suit Indian tastes. I am dead sure army kitchens like club and restaurant kitchens all over India serve gobi and chicken "Manchurian" as Chinese food. Also "chop-chew" which is Indian for chop suey, like "manjuri" is Indian for Manchurian. And there will of course be "Chinese' chicken noodles or "Chinese " fried rice and "Chinese" stir fry veg

This has no connection with cheap and expensive. "Chinese food" is priced like all other Indian food and can be bought from street vendors or at star restaurants. Pork is rarely found as "Chinese food" outside star restaurants. I had some authentic tasting Chinese style pork at a fancy place where the bill came to a month's salary for some Indians. Luckily someone else paid. :mrgreen:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby shiv » 13 Mar 2013 06:53

keshavchandra wrote:Just see the video, how effective aerostat are, to locate and then defuse (By the ground troops) the road side IED by US army in Afghanistan. Even with aerostat the control room track down the person who planted the IED.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkxIfyvf_k



This has got to be one of the most stupid videos I have ever watched. These Americans are scared of getting off their armoured vehicles in Afghanistan. Not only do Afghans move about freely, but the video from inside the vehicle shows the scene of a man getting a heavy machine gun ready to take out a motorcyclist while the latter shows no fear as he goes over a suspected IED that the Yanks are trying to investigate with a broken down robotic arm. No one will get off - they are pant browning at the sight of a man sitting cross legged.

No wonder the Taliban are so confident of retaking the land when the Americasn get out. Watch from here for 5 minutes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkxIfyv ... ge#t=1679s

If you lose no men (or very few men) in a war and then fail to win the war, have you fought a war at all? Shooting. Not losing people. And not winning anything is what happens at shooting ranges. This is not war. It's a joke of a mess that the Americans have got themselves into.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby pankajs » 13 Mar 2013 18:43

Attack on Army patrol carried out by Pakistan Army's SSG group
The attack on an Indian Army patrol in January, in which one soldier was beheaded, was carried out by Special Services Group of Pakistan Army, Defence Minister A K Antony told the Rajya Sabha today.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby chetak » 13 Mar 2013 18:50

shiv wrote::D There is no such thing as authentic Chinese food in India. It is always something adjusted to the Indian palate and spiced up to suit Indian tastes. I am dead sure army kitchens like club and restaurant kitchens all over India serve gobi and chicken "Manchurian" as Chinese food. Also "chop-chew" which is Indian for chop suey, like "manjuri" is Indian for Manchurian. And there will of course be "Chinese' chicken noodles or "Chinese " fried rice and "Chinese" stir fry veg

This has no connection with cheap and expensive. "Chinese food" is priced like all other Indian food and can be bought from street vendors or at star restaurants. Pork is rarely found as "Chinese food" outside star restaurants. I had some authentic tasting Chinese style pork at a fancy place where the bill came to a month's salary for some Indians. Luckily someone else paid. :mrgreen:


No cuisine called "chinese" in Indian Armed Forces messes.

For the longest time the same has been called "asian" as in asian fried rice, for eg. :)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Surya » 13 Mar 2013 20:07

chetak

been to 3 air bases and 1 army mess

all had Chinese :)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby pentaiah » 13 Mar 2013 20:12

In authentic Chinese restaurant or culinary shop anything that moves gets cooked and served pronto
Of course barring the guests.

If that doesn't happen then they are all fake Chinese or as they are in
India Chai knees

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby shiv » 13 Mar 2013 20:39

Surya wrote:chetak

been to 3 air bases and 1 army mess

all had Chinese :)


No cook in any mess/kitchen in India will survive for more than a week if he can't supply gobi Manchurian or chicken Manchurian. No rice menu is complete without veg and meat versions of "Chinese" fried rice. The Chinese don't know nothing about Chinese cuisine.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby rsingh » 13 Mar 2013 21:23

Surya wrote:chetak

been to 3 air bases and 1 army mess

all had Chinese :)


Not only that. Chinese menu was 3 times bigger then desi one. What are we up to.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Surya » 13 Mar 2013 21:31

changing tastes

boss every gully in mumbai has 'chinese' food carts after evening sets in

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby putnanja » 13 Mar 2013 22:28

It was a real eye opener when I first went to a chinese restaurant in US and every single item on the menu looked strange, except perhaps fried rice and chop-suey. And even that tasted very different from the "chinese fried rice/chop suey" I had in good old Bengaluru :rotfl:

Some Indian restaurants now have a "indo-chinese" menu that serves the "chinese food" we get in India. There is also an "indo-chinese" restaurant, to which if a real chinese ever visits will wonder where the "chinese" part of the cuisine is :mrgreen:

PS: Even the chinese served in US is not the authentic chinese food as per chinese colleagues, though it is similar. As lalmullah mentioned, every ethnic cuisine is tailored to the local tastes

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Lalmohan » 13 Mar 2013 22:34

i thought i knew chinese food - after having tried various places around the world. then i went to a chinese place in londonistan frequented by mandarin speakers (as opposed to the cantonese who are the majority in ukstan) - and i was astonished at the different things on the menu and the flavours - quite different to what i had tried - and belive me i've tried! i was told that what was on offer here was more representative of beijing regular grub

i can assure you that 90% of desiloge would not touch that with a loooong bargepole

on the other hand, a few chinese places in londonistan specialise in desi-chinese - all heavily fried and msg'ed and chillied :)
and then dosa places also serve noodles and manchurian dishes like back in desh

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Yogesh » 13 Mar 2013 23:20

for once I thought it's nukkad or food thread.. :eek: Guru log back to IA matters please :roll:

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ramana » 14 Mar 2013 01:46

Yeah me too!!!

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ramana » 14 Mar 2013 01:46

Yeah me too!!!

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Postby VinodTK » 14 Mar 2013 04:04

Samba: Army to dismiss five soldiers for clashing with officers
The Army is set to dismiss five soldiers and has initiated action against a total of 55 personnel for a clash between officers and soldiers that took place at an armoured unit in Samba last year.

Having completed its inquiry into the matter, the Army has found five soldiers guilty of gross indiscipline and has decided to sack them.

Four officers, including the Commanding Officer of the 16 Cavalry Unit, have been recommended for administrative action, which can seriously impede promotion possibilities in the future.

Sources said the court of inquiry into the Samba incident, which occurred after a soldier in the unit committed suicide on August 8, has recommended an "administrative termination" of the service of five soldiers that can be executed immediately.

The inquiry, which was led by an officer of the rank of Brigadier, also recommended disciplinary action against 10 other personnel, including three Junior Commissioned Officers, which has now been confirmed by superior authorities. Nine personnel will face administrative action, including the Commanding Officer. As many as 39 soldiers will also be assigned to different units as part of the action.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Sachin » 14 Mar 2013 10:02

Any updates on the minor riot which happened in an Army Unit in Nyoma, Leh. Officers ganging up to bash up a Sahayak. The jawans then ganging up against the officers and bashing them up in return etc.? Has any one been punished or disciplined on this?

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Postby rohitvats » 14 Mar 2013 11:43

And here is TIMES of INDIA, living up to its reputation by giving a spin to the same story as linked above in Indian Express:

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Dark-side-of-Army-Soft-on-officers-harsh-on-jawans/articleshow/18963275.cms

NEW DELHI: The Army seems to have let off its higher-ranked officers lightly in connection with the ugly face-off that ensued between them and some jawans in an armoured corps unit at Samba in J&K last August. While five soldiers are being sacked, another four will face court martial under "disciplinary action".

On the other hand, three junior commissioned officers (JCOs) are to face "disciplinary action" while four other officers, including the unit commanding officer (CO), will face mere "administrative action" for the unrest that was triggered in the 16th Light Cavalry unit after a soldier, Arun V, shot himself with his service rifle on August 8, 2012 in Samba.

Administrative action can range from just a recordable or non-recordable censure to slightly stricter punishments. The much harsher disciplinary action — court martial after recording of the summary of evidence — can lead to rigorous imprisonment and even the ignominious "cashiering from service" that entails loss of rank, decorations and all retirement benefits.

While the five jawans are being sacked using the "administrative termination of service" provision in the Army Act, it has also been decided to post 39 other ranks out of the unit. This episode is just one of the alarming breaches in discipline that have shaken the Army in recent times.

Around 15 officers and over 100 other ranks are facing the music in four face-offs between officers and jawans that took place in armoured and artillery units deployed in Nyoma, Patiala, Gurdaspur and Samba areas.

<SNIP>


What this rag of a news paper forgets is that the Jawans would have been charged with something close to 'mutiny'...the angst or justification of their act notwithstanding. And while TOI for sure does not have content of the findings of COI against all those accused in these cases, it feels confident to pass a negative comment.

To me, the conduct of TOI WRT Services (and IA in particular) seems to follow a particular line - It has been championing and peddling the 'Aman ki Asha' nonsense and has been in the forefront of carrying loaded articles concerning AFSPA and Siachen issue. The way the above judgement has been reported is clearly an attempt to malign the army. The word of COAS carries weight when it comes to Siachen or AFPSA issues...and this weight is purely a function of the moral authority that Army has in the eyes of common man. To me, articles like above are a means to somehow discredit the army and take away the high moral ground. I mean, just look at the article heading..."Dark side of the army".

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Postby chetak » 14 Mar 2013 12:13

shiv wrote:
Surya wrote:chetak

been to 3 air bases and 1 army mess

all had Chinese :)


No cook in any mess/kitchen in India will survive for more than a week if he can't supply gobi Manchurian or chicken Manchurian. No rice menu is complete without veg and meat versions of "Chinese" fried rice. The Chinese don't know nothing about Chinese cuisine.



shiv,

I did not say that "chinese" menu was not served. I only said that the the cuisine has been renamed as "asian". This is confirmed for ALL Naval messes where for the longest time the word "chinese" in menu items has been been replaced by the word "asian" The recipe and serving style is the same as before.

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Postby Kanson » 14 Mar 2013 12:57

^ gobi manchurian is an Indo-chinese food. Origin is traced back to West Bengal, as it is known, from Chinese immigrants. In Singapore, you get gobi manchurian only in Indian restaurants and not in Chinese one. So aptly named as Asian cuisine.

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Postby Kanson » 14 Mar 2013 13:05

putnanja wrote:It was a real eye opener when I first went to a chinese restaurant in US and every single item on the menu looked strange, except perhaps fried rice and chop-suey. And even that tasted very different from the "chinese fried rice/chop suey" I had in good old Bengaluru :rotfl:

Some Indian restaurants now have a "indo-chinese" menu that serves the "chinese food" we get in India. There is also an "indo-chinese" restaurant, to which if a real chinese ever visits will wonder where the "chinese" part of the cuisine is :mrgreen:

PS: Even the chinese served in US is not the authentic chinese food as per chinese colleagues, though it is similar. As lalmullah mentioned, every ethnic cuisine is tailored to the local tastes
It is indeed Indo-Chinese. Cuisine developed by Indianizing as well evolving some of the Chinese dishes.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby krishnan » 14 Mar 2013 14:05

so what is chinese about gobi munchurians ???

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Postby merlin » 14 Mar 2013 18:42

krishnan wrote:so what is chinese about gobi munchurians ???


The word manchurian?

rohitvats, efforts to denigrate and slyly insinuate that the IA (and other services) are barbarians/fanatics/cowards/take-your-pick-of-other-slurs are gathering pace. Toilet paper and Paki-DNA are at the forefront with HT not far behind. There are serious efforts on to bring down the reputation of the services/DRDO etc. by all these rags.

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Postby Kanson » 14 Mar 2013 21:01

krishnan wrote:so what is chinese about gobi munchurians ???

:D from Wiki
It is believed to have been originally developed by a small Chinese community which lived in Kolkata for a century.
It i Chinese becoz it was developed in chinese community and it is Indian becoz these Chinese developed this in India with Indian vegetable/ingredients.

And Sorry for OT chit chat...

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Postby chetak » 14 Mar 2013 21:38

Kanson wrote:^ gobi manchurian is an Indo-chinese food. Origin is traced back to West Bengal, as it is known, from Chinese immigrants. In Singapore, you get gobi manchurian only in Indian restaurants and not in Chinese one. So aptly named as Asian cuisine.


The word "chinese" is anathema in Naval Messes ( and other Indian military messes) hence it is not used and instead the word "asian" has been substituted.

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Postby Yayavar » 15 Mar 2013 01:24

Kanson wrote:
krishnan wrote:so what is chinese about gobi munchurians ???

:D from Wiki
It is believed to have been originally developed by a small Chinese community which lived in Kolkata for a century.
It i Chinese becoz it was developed in chinese community and it is Indian becoz these Chinese developed this in India with Indian vegetable/ingredients.

And Sorry for OT chit chat...


Yes, if you order in Chinese restaurant outside India you will be informed it is not Chinese. Some (from PRC) will even baulk at the term Manchu in it :).

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Postby Yayavar » 15 Mar 2013 01:26

Rohit: unfortunately such articles and comments on Army are not new - I recall getting worked up reading The Week insinuating similarly during Kargil days.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby svinayak » 15 Mar 2013 02:02

Kanson wrote:
putnanja wrote:It was a real eye opener when I first went to a chinese restaurant in US and every single item on the menu looked strange, except perhaps fried rice and chop-suey. And even that tasted very different from the "chinese fried rice/chop suey" I had in good old Bengaluru :rotfl:

Some Indian restaurants now have a "indo-chinese" menu that serves the "chinese food" we get in India. There is also an "indo-chinese" restaurant, to which if a real chinese ever visits will wonder where the "chinese" part of the cuisine is :mrgreen:

PS: Even the chinese served in US is not the authentic chinese food as per chinese colleagues, though it is similar. As lalmullah mentioned, every ethnic cuisine is tailored to the local tastes
It is indeed Indo-Chinese. Cuisine developed by Indianizing as well evolving some of the Chinese dishes.


The Chinese menu served is Korea, Japan, Beijing, HK, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, and Blore are different. There is no one version which is same in all in all these countries. My HK friend was laughing about Chinese cookie served after lunch in US restaurants.

'Wongs Kitchen' which is an Indo chinese has opened in CA. Here they have all the setting and props just like the Chinese restaurants but the waiters are Indians. It is fun watching the Chinese come to the restaurant and watching all the surrounding and ordering very hot chilli 65! Right under their nose the chinese menu is being transformed into spicy variety! They thought only they can copy from the rest of the world.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby suryag » 15 Mar 2013 02:09

what is all this chinese food in this thread :)

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby Sachin » 15 Mar 2013 11:59

pkpandey wrote:http://www.tribuneindia.com/2013/20130108/main4.htm

Thanks. From the report..

Nearly seven months after officers and jawans of an artillery regiment clashed at Nyoma near the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in southeastern Ladakh, a Court of Inquiry (CoI) has blamed as many as 56 personnel, including at least five offices, for the incident.
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CoI findings
* A Court of Inquiry has blamed as many as 56 personnel, including at least five offices, for the incident
* It has recommended disciplinary action against 16 personnel, including the regiment’s commanding officer, second-in-* command and three other officers for failure of command and control, assault, indiscipline, etc
* In addition, administrative action has been recommended against 40 other personnel for their role in the incident

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Seven months, is quite quick especially when compared the normal judicial process. Any idea on what the disciplinary or administrative actions which were recommended? Does that include dismissal, reduction of ranks (if yes for whom), stopping further promotions etc.?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 15 Apr 2012

Postby ASPuar » 15 Mar 2013 13:34

Its not very quick, its about normal for the conclusion of a court of inquiry.

The army judicial procedure moves much faster than that in the civil courts.


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