Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 28 Sep 2016 16:47

Yes, chatter is that they are still looking for the pilot.

Anywho, this is Bandar showing its Chinese upbringing..

It's being speculated that it went down during "hard maneuvering"..

Amazing stuff, if hard maneuvering is enough to get the Bandar down

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 28 Sep 2016 23:31

https://twitter.com/Pak_ArmedForces/sta ... 9507529729
If the Chinese only saw this....

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 28 Sep 2016 23:43

LOL Super LOL

Sid · Post by **Sid** » 29 Sep 2016 00:12

lol, really a low blow for a their all weather frnd.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 02 Oct 2016 19:22

Never new all these '65 generation pilots were trained and led by ex.polish RAF pilots till 80's Wow. And never knew this gentleman was involved in their new clear bum program. Interesting read:

http://www.dawn.com/news/1287122/pakist ... sh-patriot

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 02 Oct 2016 21:24

Bandar crash confirmed.

AoA.

Kartik · Post by **Kartik** » 04 Oct 2016 02:40

And it is being reported on another forum that the pilot was not recovered from the sea.

Cosmo_R · Post by **Cosmo_R** » 06 Oct 2016 02:53

This has to do with Chuck Yeager. I did not want to put into the US-India thread because it's more about Chuck than about the US.

"British people are 'nasty' and ‘arrogant’ says WWII flying ace Chuck Yeager". So who says Chuck doesn't still have some judgment left?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10 ... ace-chuck/

arun · Post by **arun** » 07 Oct 2016 12:05

X Posted from the STFUP thread.

Various earlier posted stuff on BRF for background.

The Video with a hat tip to Narad :

CNN-NEWS18 SPEAKS TO SP OF MIRPUR IN POK

The story in text:

Surgical Strikes: Despite Days of Doctoring by Pakistan, Here's Proof From Across LoC

The Full Text of CNN TV 18’s conversation with Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir:

Surgical Strikes: Full Text of Conversation That Exposed Pakistan

Very interesting and significant that the CNN-TV18 story linked above where CNN TV18 has disclosed that their journalist Manoj Gupta had conned Ghulam Akbar, Superintendent of Police (Special Branch) of the Mirpur Range in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir into confirming India’s post-Uri croos Loc Boots on the Ground Surgical Strike by pretending to be Akbar’s (fictitious?) superior IG Mushtaq, has not been mentioned in any English language newspaper in the Islamic Republic of Pakistan despite the passage of some 48 hours even if only to debunk CNN TV18’s story. Thus no mention of this news in Dawn, The News, Jang’s Nation, Daily Times or Express Tribune.

The Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Punjabi Dominated Military of the Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic certainly have the ability, even during times the Islamic Republic is ostensibly run by civilians, to throttle any story that shows the Uniformed Jihadi’s to have lied to her civilian citizens.

arun · Post by **arun** » 08 Oct 2016 10:12

The Mohammadden Terrorist fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s Ministry of Foreign affairs claims that person whom CNN TV18 recorded is not Ghulam Akbar, SP Special Branch, Mirpur Range, Pakistan Occupied Kashmir.

No mention of this denial in Dawn, The News, Jang’s Nation, Daily Times or Express Tribune as well:

Indian TV channel affiliate of CNN airs fake interview, editor impersonates as IG Punjab, Pakistan

(2016-10-06) CNN News 18 Global Exclusive, an Indian affiliate of CNN International, has aired a forged interview of SP Special Branch AJK, Mr Ghulam Akbar, in which he has allegedly confirmed India's surgical strike. The Reporter impersonated himself as Inspector General Police Punjab.

SP Ghulam Akbar has categorically denied having spoken over phone and that it is not even his voice on the recording run by the said Indian TV channel. It is highly regrettable that the said Indian TV channel, affiliated to a world renowned media house CNN, indulged in an unethical and fraudulent act.

Pakistan strongly denounces Indian media's despicable act of fraud of airing of a fake program aimed at twisting and fabricating stories for domestic political consumption. This is a clear indication that certain quarters in India are desperate to prove Indian false claim of surgical strike by hook or by crook.

We hope that CNN would take up the matter very seriously with the affiliate Indian TV channel and initiate action against the channel, as not doing so will be regarded as directly owning to this unethical and manipulative act. We reserve the right to take necessary legal action against the said TV channel.

Islamabad
06 October 2016

From here:

Clicky

Karthik S · Post by **Karthik S** » 08 Oct 2016 10:14

Man it's turning out to be a vicious cycle of claims and rebuttals.

Singha · Post by **Singha** » 08 Oct 2016 10:21

China skimped on the test plan and left it to paf to work on the stress tests.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 08 Oct 2016 10:45

SP Ghulam would obviously deny it else the ISI would deal with him , With the state of pakistan denies that they support terrorist in India so nothing new about these denials

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 08 Oct 2016 13:09

A broke Pakistan cannot possibly match India's multi-billion dollar deals with Russia
http://defencenews.in/article/A-broke-P ... ussia-8580

kit · Post by **kit** » 08 Oct 2016 13:19

Philip wrote:A broke Pakistan cannot possibly match India's multi-billion dollar deals with Russia
http://defencenews.in/article/A-broke-P ... ussia-8580

we dont want to beggar ourselves as well do we ??

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 11 Oct 2016 05:15

If relationship between pakis and Roos keep on the path they are, expect orders for Schmel flame throwers be placed long before SU35s are even thought of.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 15 Oct 2016 00:52

Not sure if these videos were posted. My apologies if it has. I have not personally seen anything on the PAF this up close. Check them out. Hosted by a guy called Wajahat Saeed Khan. The videos talk about CCS (Combat Commander's School). Their version of the IAF's TACDE (Tactics & Air Combat Development Establishment). CCS is based at PAF Mushaf (formerly PAF Base Sargodha).

Mahaaz with Wajahat Saeed Khan - 26 March 2016 - Pakistan Air Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3qOywdxlac

Mahaaz with Wajahat Saeed Khan - 02 April 2016 - Pakistan Air Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EyuBLw7FvI

Mahaaz with Wajahat Saeed Khan - 02 July 2016 - Pakistan Air Force
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQobmWNNaGo

Mahaaz with Wajahat Saeed Khan - 24 September 2016 - Pakistan Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNW0jLYYOfc

He has more videos on youtube. Just search them under Wajahat Saeed Khan.

Never mind. here is the link...

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... f0kfbysXHZ

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Oct 2016 19:56

Another PAF jet has crashed. This was a Mirage.

PAF Mirage fighter jet crashes, pilot killed
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... n=ETTWMain

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Oct 2016 20:00

Raheel Sharif has started his own petition (through his cronies) to extend his military service.

Make General Raheel Sharif a Field Marshal, says petition
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Oct 2016 20:03

Here we go again...military rule here I come!!! Ties in so beautifully with the above article. Just a FYI...the last coup was in Oct 1999. History may repeat itself again 17 years later.

Military boys set timer device on Nawaz Sharif government
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... aign=cppst

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Oct 2016 20:16

This just proves how successful the surgical strike was. Raheel Sharif now wants revenge and realises that Nawaz Sharif is useless and will not help him further his plans. R Sharif is tired of being sharif with N Sharif and wants off with his head.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 18 Oct 2016 20:22

corrected post , Thanks Rakesh

China confirms plans to export eight submarines to Pakistan

http://www.janes.com/article/64719/chin ... o-pakistan

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 18 Oct 2016 20:23

Wrong thread Austin.

kittoo · Post by **kittoo** » 18 Oct 2016 20:44

Austin wrote:corrected post , Thanks Rakesh

China confirms plans to export eight submarines to Pakistan

http://www.janes.com/article/64719/chin ... o-pakistan

We must consider China an enemy nation and act accordingly. We should give our most potent weapons to Vietnam.

Also, how are the Pakis going to pay for these? Or another handout?

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 19 Oct 2016 00:37

Edited my post

The more defence deals get funded by the Chinese Tax Payer the more happy I am.
it teaches Pakistan that you don't have to work, pay taxes, educate your kids and work hard to survive as a nation.
You can still be a prosperous nation by continuously criticising everyone around the neighbourhood except that Red Uncle who gives you the good stuff in the evening.

#freeDrugsAnyone

i was so bloody happy this year when F-16s came without any discount. Now we hear China will be giving them more discounted and free stuff.
Super Duper I say. It shifts the burden from good tax paying people of USA to China.

I hope China gives everything for free to Pakistanis , Jay 1 to J twenty .... give it all.
Free Please. I want China to spend everything bankrupting themselves for their Islamic Crony partner.

India and its economy is about to go super qualitative and China due to its weight is about to attract everyone's ire in the pacific.

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 19 Oct 2016 02:31

Agreed, but along with China having to fund pakis we should be boycotting any chinese products to help the cause. The swadeshi movement should help Make in India become Buy Indian.

Pakis are finally settling for chinese products after trawling the ends of earth for second hand western weapons.

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 19 Oct 2016 02:42

Correct Bheeshma

I agree we need to keep focusing on swadeshi. Right now a massive synchronised yet not co-ordinated industrial attack is upon our industry by the likes of China, USA and EU to prevent the Indians from being able to learn to create.

Arjun tank is a possible casualty. Although I am still in denial.
Tejas is under fair amount of attack.
AMCA possibly too

The only one that is goind just okay is Navy.

The Common Indian man shall rise and kick ass.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 19 Oct 2016 05:49

Reducing import from China has the potential to hit them over 400-500 Billion $ in a decade.Hope PRC wills ave more $$ on Ceepeck.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 19 Oct 2016 07:30

Ssg appears to have this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRAC_F1

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 19 Oct 2016 11:26

Pakis dont have to pay in terms of $$ but the chinese are getting something in return. That is all they need really.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 19 Oct 2016 12:59

Paul wrote:Ssg appears to have this...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/LRAC_F1

French equivalent of Carl Gustaf. Slightly bigger at 89 MM

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 22 Oct 2016 21:24

Joking and Bluffing even beyond reach. Their doctrines have reached even higher levels of bluff
http://www.defencenews.in/article/We-ca ... taff-18865

DavidD · Post by **DavidD** » 24 Oct 2016 13:21

First confirmed export of the JF-17, 3 to be delivered to Nigeria before the end of the year.

http://www.nta.ng/news/security-news/20 ... dominance/

Aditya_V · Post by **Aditya_V** » 24 Oct 2016 13:25

good we can now see how JF-17 is and how it performs operationally rather than being in Burkha in Pakistan.

Manish_P · Post by **Manish_P** » 24 Oct 2016 15:37

How convenient

Any problems with the bandar will promptly be attributed to the incompetency of the bandar-log (the african nigerians)

What beats me is why would the Nigerians not buy direct from China.

Ah i get it... the ummah thing

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 25 Oct 2016 00:08

bakis must have made an under table deal to supply mujahideen err, counter terror training to the Nigerians ..

Philip · Post by **Philip** » 28 Oct 2016 13:12

Whatever our derision at the Paki's defence products,selling its trainers to Turkey,Qatar and Nigeria is a landmark achievement.One only has to examine HAL's dismal performance on that score. Even our Dhruv sales to Ecuador crashed,literally and the Ecuadorians are now selling their remaining Dhruvs.We should've offered to take them back to restrore our damaged reputation. The DEear Lord only knows when and IF the Tejas will ever be exported as we produce LSP numbers of the underperforming Mk-1 at snail's pace.

So let's not underestimate our enemy.We still manufacture,under licence,far better products like MKIs,etc.,and will kick the sh*t oit of the Pakis,but they're making their mark slowly and modestly as an international defence supplier. We need to overtake them and accelerate at speed with sales of BMos,etc.

Qatar Plans To Buy Pak JF-17 Fighter Jet, Super Mushshak Trainer
Our Bureau01:58 PM, October 27,

Pakistani JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft Pakistani JF-17 Thunder fighter aircraft - A +
Qatar has expressed interest to buy JF-17 fighter jets, Super Mushshak trainers from Pakistan.
Qatari Defence Minister called on Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and expressed interest in buying Mushshak and JF-17 Thunder aircraft to strengthen bilateral defence ties, Tribune reported Thursday.
“We are desirous of buying Super Mushshak and JF-17 Thunder aircraft from Pakistan and also want to set up military cooperation and production of equipment in Qatar with the assistance of Pakistan and Turkey,” a PM House statement quoted Dr Khalid bin Mohammad Al Attiyah as saying.
Nawaz Sharif said that Pakistan, Qatar and Turkey can set up joint ventures for undertaking defence related manufacturing of military equipment. “Our relationship with Qatar means a lot to us and you can count on Pakistan as your closest ally and brotherly state.”
“The trade volume between Qatar and Pakistan will multiply, especially after the import of LNG from Qatar,” Sarif added.
Pakistan Aeronautical Complex (PAC) and Qatar Emiri Air Force had signed an agreement for supply of Super Mushshak Aircraft in June this year.
In February, the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) made a goodwill visit to Qatar with two Super Mushshak trainers and two JF-17 multi-role fighters.
Pakistan recently signed a contract to sell 12 Mushshak trainers to Nigeria. It is also likely to sell JF-17 fighters to Nigeria during the IDEAS show in Karachi in November. Nigeria has signed a memorandum of understanding with Pakistan to purchase the Pakistani-Chinese PAC/CAC JF-17 Thunder multirole fighter in September this year

kit · Post by **kit** » 29 Oct 2016 13:35

http://www.janes.com/article/64906/new- ... submarines

Pakistan Navy Agosta 90B submarines will be modernised with the SERO 250 periscope and OMS 200 optronic mast
STM is prime contractor for the Agosta 90B upgrade

Airbus DS Optronics - shortly to be rebranded under the Hensoldt imprint - is to replace the existing search and attack periscopes on the Pakistan Navy's three Agosta 90B submarines with a new search periscope and a low profile optronic mast.

The three Agosta 90B boats were commissioned into the Pakistan Navy between 1999 and 2008. The first boat, PNS Khalid , was built by what was DCN - now DCNS - at its Cherbourg yard in northern France; the second, PNS Saad, was assembled by Karachi Shipbuilding and Engineering Works (KS&EW) from a materiel kit; and the third, PNS Hamza, was built locally by KS&EW.

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Nov 2016 11:26

JF-17 Thunder over Zhuhai #China - 2016

Austin · Post by **Austin** » 04 Nov 2016 11:27

Pakistan Air Force JF-17 枭龙 Air Show China 2016