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Postby Sid » 10 Jan 2017 23:03

Porkies leasing a SSN from Chinese is inevitable, I think everyone guessed that step as soon as we started to acquire an Akula. Latest Agni test only expedited that process.

But this will also end the whole Chinese charade of CPEC and all this anti-piracy patrol nonsense.

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Postby Rakesh » 10 Jan 2017 23:06

Prithwiraj wrote:I even doubt this ancient video with funny music.. did you see the ship that go hit by that harpoon-- I doubt PN even had a ship of that size which they used as a target after de-commissioning.

Knowing Porkis, anything is possible. However the PN has operated vessels of that size in the past.

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Postby Bheeshma » 10 Jan 2017 23:38

Chinese just bought about the K-5 induction faster nothing else. I hope we also pass on Prithvis-I/II to afghanistan. Its well short of MTCR limit and only threatens pakis.

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Postby Rakesh » 11 Jan 2017 02:25

STM selects Havelsan to help support Pakistan Agosta 90B upgrade
http://quwa.org/2016/12/27/stm-selects-havelsan-to-help-support-pakistan-agosta-90b-upgrade/

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Postby Bart S » 11 Jan 2017 02:30



This is very interesting, but IMHO an important reality is being glossed over here, i.e that most of "Pakistan's indigenous missiles/nukes/whatever" are fake in the sense that just clandestinely imported foreign stuff painted green. That would be the case even if the test firing and video were authentic.

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Postby ranjan.rao » 11 Jan 2017 04:02

what is heartening is that we have moved on from the "dhoti shivering" of late '90s when every missile test of theirs was a stunning success and ours was a grim failure

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Irrelevant, deleted
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Postby Rakesh » 11 Jan 2017 22:30

Bart S wrote:This is very interesting, but IMHO an important reality is being glossed over here, i.e that most of "Pakistan's indigenous missiles/nukes/whatever" are fake in the sense that just clandestinely imported foreign stuff painted green. That would be the case even if the test firing and video were authentic.


https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/status/818826847114797058 :rotfl:

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Postby Rakesh » 12 Jan 2017 23:07

The height of idiocracy. BTW, as per Google Chacha, this is the definition of idiocracy - a form of government in which a country or territory is run by fools. That clearly applies to Pakistan. Take a look below;

https://twitter.com/AmnaFazail/status/819476635103690752

Promote the PAF by photo-shopping a USAF F-15 and state no more blood, just peace here :D Just how much opium are these people on?

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Postby Gagan » 13 Jan 2017 04:52

Apart from Raj47s expose on Pakistans fake barber missile test, here is my input

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Postby Rakesh » 13 Jan 2017 11:02

Babur SLCM has warp nacelles which allow it to move rapidly defying time, physics, direction, speed and all other characteristics known to mankind.

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Postby arun » 14 Jan 2017 11:28

X Posted from the “Oppression of Minorities in Pakistan” thread.

A case of the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan encouraging the Mohammadden religion sanctioned practise of treating females of the “enemy” as sex slaves as they are considered as “Mā malakat aymānukum” or “what you right hand possesses”?

Islamic Republic of Pakistan born Pashtun freedom fighter forced to seek refuge in Afghanistan, Umar Daud Khattak, reveals that the Punjabi dominated Uniformed Jihadi’s of the Army of the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan have “kidnapped hundreds of Pashtun girls from Swat and Waziristan area to be used as sex slaves in Lahore.”:

Pakistan holding hundreds of Pashtun girls as sex slaves: Umar Khattak

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Postby Rakesh » 15 Jan 2017 00:39

I hope admins will allow to post these....hilarious...

Pak Army Bus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a-eEbOnSZDU

Exclusive video of Pakistan Army's surgical strike on India
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYky9oA5fiY

Funniest Video of Pak Army
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pfBqiW_DBI

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Postby Rakesh » 17 Jan 2017 04:55

2 ships sold to Pak Navy for Gwadar security
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56560951.cms

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Postby Samay » 17 Jan 2017 07:01

Rakesh wrote:2 ships sold to Pak Navy for Gwadar security
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56560951.cms

Now people in GoI and PIB should make an impression of running helter skelter abt this transfer of ships, saying things like we wont sit idle , etc, today its coast guard ships tomrw it could be a nuke sub. We should be creating a whole tamasha abt it . China starts slow and if unchecked , continues on a course, like a hunting animal. Sometimes we should kill few dozen of them in tibet whenever they sell some weapon to terrorists.

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Postby Rishi Verma » 17 Jan 2017 07:22

So Pakistan supposedly has developed all these (htf, shaheen, gazni, babur) land, air, sea launched missiles and not a single space rocket (or even experimental sounding rocket)? - even NoKo attempts to launch crap on some rusty rockets into space. Why India not exposing (naming shaming with satellite images etc) China and NoKo who are selling missile kits to stone-age goat-fkers. Why India can't make an aggressive case for NSG entry (even if mijjiles and NSG not related) by going on the offensive against China.

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Postby Samay » 17 Jan 2017 08:22

Rishi Verma wrote:So Pakistan supposedly has developed all these (htf, shaheen, gazni, babur) land, air, sea launched missiles and not a single space rocket (or even experimental sounding rocket)? - even NoKo attempts to launch crap on some rusty rockets into space. Why India not exposing (naming shaming with satellite images etc) China and NoKo who are selling missile kits to stone-age goat-fkers. Why India can't make an aggressive case for NSG entry (even if mijjiles and NSG not related) by going on the offensive against China.

That should be the methodology. India's NSG membership should be simultaneous with sanctions/restrictions on China. Not only that better they are ousted from NSG and UNSC . We gave them UNSC membership we shall arrange to take it back.

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Postby abhishek_sharma » 17 Jan 2017 10:01

RAJ ‏@rajfortyseven · 16m16 minutes ago

#Pakistan #PAF #Turbat airport has additional wider airstrip with triple fencing. Should see some new strategic deployments soon

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Postby ashishvikas » 17 Jan 2017 10:08

JF-17 BLOCK-II PRODUCTION CROSSES 30 PLANES

http://quwa.org/2017/01/15/jf-17-block- ... 30-planes/

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Postby Aditya_V » 17 Jan 2017 11:59

Still no talk of BVR or flight tests of BVR missiles from the Block II

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Postby ranjan.rao » 20 Jan 2017 10:57

Rakesh wrote:
Rakesh wrote:2 ships sold to Pak Navy for Gwadar security
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/56560951.cms


Warships sold, not gifted to Pakistan, says China :rotfl:
http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/Warships-sold-not-gifted-to-Pakistan-says-China/article17047384.ece

Obviously on the profits generated from CPEC

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Postby Philip » 21 Jan 2017 13:52

The two "ships" are nothing but piddly patrol craft. A more dangerous development here: Yet again India's MEA caught napping.
http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/azerbaij ... -pakistan/
Azerbaijan's Growing Military Cooperation With Pakistan
Baku is seeking out increased defense imports from Pakistan, including JF-17 aircraft.

By Fuad Shahbazov
January 13, 2017

Azerbaijan and Pakistan have a unique political relationship that has surpassed territorial boundaries and geographical distances. Pakistan was among the first states to recognize Azerbaijan’s independence following the 1991 Soviet collapse. Today, Pakistan is the only country that has not established diplomatic relations with Baku’s main foe, Armenia. The bilateral strategic cooperation between these two countries embraces the economic, cultural, political, and especially defense fields. Taking into account their close ties, the current level of military cooperation between Azerbaijan and Pakistan needs to be emphasized. While Azerbaijan’s defense industry has strategic relations with various countries, Baku has been seeking ways of expanding military cooperation with Pakistan in particular over the last years.

Given the Pakistan’s status as a nuclear power, combined with its dynamic military muscle, military cooperation can be seen as another fundamental building block of the bilateral relationship. The two countries signed a defense agreement in May of 2003, which allows Azerbaijani military staff, in particular special force units, to take part in annual military drills along with Pakistani armed forces. As a part of the agreement, Azerbaijani naval personnel participated in the biggest Pakistani-led multinational exercise, AMAN-2013, held in March 2013 in the Arabian Sea. In addition to this, Pakistan and Azerbaijan are planning to hold bilateral military exercises, according to comments from Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif during his official visit to Azerbaijan in October 2016.

Beyond joint exercises, military and defense cooperation between Azerbaijan-Pakistan takes the form of continuous dialogue in high-level meetings, as well as military agreements such as the military cooperation agreement that was signed in February 2014 in Islamabad. The same document was updated in 2015 and 2016, during the Working Group Meetings in Baku and Islamabad, respectively.

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Azerbaijan, which has been locked into a long-term bloody conflict with Armenia for more than a decade, considers the further development of its defense industry as a main priority. Baku, which enjoys Pakistan’s full diplomatic support with regards to the conflict, is also looking to Pakistan as a source of military hardware.

Azerbaijan is eyeing the JF-17 Thunder (also known as the FC-1 Xiaolong), a multi-functional aircraft that was jointly developed by Pakistan and China. Although Azerbaijan has expressed interest in importing the JF-17, no formal deal has been reached yet. Nevertheless, the Pakistani Ministry of Defense was invited to demonstrate the JF-17 at the 2016 Azerbaijan International Defense Exhibition (ADEX-2016) for the first time. During the exhibition, Minister of Defense Industry Yavar Jamalov repeatedly showed interest in importing new fighter jets. In the same year, Azerbaijan’s First Deputy Prime Minister Yaqub Eyyubov attended the International Defense Exhibition and Seminar (IDEAS), where he reiterated his government’s interest in buying new aircraft. Currently, the Azerbaijan Air Forces operate mainly MiG-29, Su-25, and MiG-21 aircraft.

The JF-17 aircraft had been produced as an affordable and modern replacement to French-made Mirage III and F-7 interceptors. Pakistan had long been trying to find countries to buy the JF-17 in order to reduce the per-unit cost the Pakistan Air Force pays. Thirteen countries have so far expressed interest in purchasing the JF-17 aircraft, including Azerbaijan, Zimbabwe, Bangladesh, Myanmar, Egypt, Iran, Lebanon, Malaysia, Morocco, Nigeria, Sri Lanka, Algeria and Sudan. As The Diplomat has noted previously, “the lightweight, single-engine, multi-role combat jet, jointly developed by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and China’s Chengdu Aircraft Corporation, sells at an attractive price point, with a unit cost of just around $15-25 million.” According to Pakistani media, in addition to the JF-17, officials in Baku may also seek to purchase MFI-395 Super Mushshak trainer jets.

The main reason driving Pakistan-Azerbaijan politico-military cooperation is the fact that Baku is still dealing with an unresolved territorial conflict in the Nagorno-Karabakh region. Azerbaijan’s government does not try to hide the fact that it wants to muster all possible backing in order to resolve the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. In the case of Pakistan’s own territorial dispute with India, Baku “fully supports the settlement of the Kashmir problem based on the relevant resolutions of the UN Security Council,” as President Ilham Aliyev said during a joint press conference with Sharif in Baku.

Despite differences between their militaries and defense industries, Azerbaijan-Pakistan military cooperation makes a significant contribution in terms of regional security. Both countries are concerned about border security and the growing threat of global terrorism.

With Azerbaijan having apparently seriously rekindled its interest in purchasing JF-17 Thunder aircraft, it’s likely that in 2017 a significant deal will be reached. Beyond that, Azerbaijan is looking to start the joint production of small firearms, guided munitions, and anti-tank missiles. Even though the Azerbaijani defense industry was established in 2005, it has shown significant development over the past decade. The country does manufacture the well-known Istiglal sniper rifle, which has been used by Pakistani special forces since 2012.

There is no doubt that Pakistan will try to make additional inroads into the defense market of Azerbaijan, as it is economically and strategically important for Pakistan to find new means to export aircraft, missile systems, tanks, and other kind of military vehicles. In this, Azerbaijan will be a willing partner.

Fuad Shahbazov (@fuadshahbazov) is Expert Adviser at the Baku-based Center for Strategic Studies under the President of Azerbaijan Republic.

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Postby SSridhar » 21 Jan 2017 14:09

Just to add to what Philip has posted about the growing Azerbaijan-Pakistan nexus, see this
Separately, Republic of Azerbaijan Ambassador Ali Alizada called on Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff Committee (CJCSC) General Zubair Mahmood Hayat at the Joint Staff Headquarters in Rawalpindi. Various facets of defence and security relationship between Pakistan and Azerbaijan came under discussion, according to an ISPR spokesman.

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Postby arun » 21 Jan 2017 15:29

Philip wrote:The two "ships" are nothing but piddly patrol craft. A more dangerous development here: Yet again India's MEA caught napping.
http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/azerbaij ... -pakistan/
Azerbaijan's Growing Military Cooperation With Pakistan
Baku is seeking out increased defense imports from Pakistan, including JF-17 aircraft.

By Fuad Shahbazov
January 13, 2017

Azerbaijan and Pakistan have a unique political relationship that has surpassed territorial boundaries and geographical distances. Pakistan was among the first states to recognize Azerbaijan’s independence following the 1991 Soviet collapse. Today, Pakistan is the only country that has not established diplomatic relations with Baku’s main foe, Armenia.

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The Mohammadden Terrorist Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s cosying up to fellow Mohammadden majority Azerbaijan has not gone unnoticed in Christist majority Armenia who are fending off Azerbaijan’s attempt to take control of the Christist Armenian ethnic majority enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh. In November last year, Armenia vetoed the Islamic Republic of Pakistan’s attempt to join the Collective Security Treaty Organization's parliamentary wing as observer:

Armenia Nixes Pakistan’s Ties With CSTO

The cosying up between the Azbaijan and Pakistan is also unlikely to go down well with that other Islamic Republic, Iran. Iran and Azerbaijan have a prickly relationship owing to Azerbaijan’s irredentist claims built on the large number of ethnic Azeri’s living in Iran. An early 2015 article in Iran’s Payvand on the subject of Azeri-Iranian relations:

Relations of Iran and the Republic of Azerbaijan: Potential friends and enemies

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Postby wig » 24 Jan 2017 18:21

http://www.dawn.com/news/1310452/pakist ... ce-missile

Pakistan on Tuesday conducted a successful test flight of the Ababeel surface-to-surface ballistic missile (SSM), the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in a statement
Ababeel has a maximum range of 2,200 kilometres and is capable of delivering multiple warheads using Multiple Independent Re-entry Vehicle (MIRV) technology, an ISPR press release added.

"The test flight was aimed at validating various design and technical parameters of the weapon system," it said.

Ababeel is capable of carrying nuclear warheads and has the capability to engage multiple targets with high precision, defeating hostile radars, the ISPR elaborated.

"The development of the Ababeel weapon system was aimed at ensuring survivability of Pakistan's ballistic missiles in the growing regional Ballistic Missile Defence (BMD) environment," read the press release.

The Ababeel test came on the heels of a successful test of submarine-launched cruise missile Babur-III earlier this month.

"The successful attainment of a second strike capability by Pakistan represents a major scientific milestone; it is manifestation of the strategy of measured response to nuclear strategies and postures being adopted in Pakistan’s neighborhood," the military had said after the Babur-III test.

The missile, launched from an undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean from an underwater, mobile platform, had hit its target with precise accuracy, the Army had said.

Babur-III is a sea-based variant of ground-launched cruise missile Babur-II, which was successfully tested in December last year.

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Postby Lalmohan » 24 Jan 2017 19:14

does 'next to the swimming pool in the Karachi Gymkhana' count as an "undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean"?

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Postby sum » 24 Jan 2017 20:56

The missile, launched from an undisclosed location in the Indian Ocean from an underwater, mobile platform, had hit its target with precise accuracy, the Army had said.

So another Chinese SSBN testing a SLBM in the Indian ocean?

Looks like Chinese are going the whole hog in transferring everything and we are quitely nodding along from the sidelines

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Postby Rakesh » 24 Jan 2017 21:33

Video of the launch....

https://twitter.com/OfficialDGISPR/stat ... 7432498176

And as per this link it has MIRV...comes with 72 :)

https://twitter.com/MaiPakistanHoon/sta ... 0709266432

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Ababeel surface-to-surface missile


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Postby saip » 24 Jan 2017 21:59

China acts swift. This and the Babur from 'under the sea' is its reaction to Agni V.

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Postby Bheeshma » 24 Jan 2017 22:04

The MIRV bit is usual paki bluster. So how is this different from shaeen-3 which has almost the same range? Wait till chinese khujli when K-4 mk2 is test fired.

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the notam area today
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To my untrained eyes it looks like a modified NK missile. Unlikely to be MIRV.


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