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Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Austin » 15 May 2017 11:31

IDEF 2017: Turkey Signed LOI with Pakistan for the Procurement of 4 Corvettes

http://navyrecognition.com/index.php/ne ... ettes.html

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Postby tsarkar » 16 May 2017 11:09

As per ongoing discussion on one of my Whatsapp group, there are indications that Pakistan is moving many Battalions to Jammu & Kashmir border that were earlier deployed in Operation Zarb-e-Azb that was scaled down / wound up in early 2017.

These battalions have newer US Communication Sets harder to intercept/jam than older sets, Thermal Imaging and better firepower.

Qamar Bajwa making two trips to LoC indicates some mischief being planned. He is an Ahmediya and has to re-iterate his credentials like the Muhajir Musharraf to hold on to power.

At the least, we'll have increased infiltration attempts, BAT actions, Uri/Pathankot type strikes etc.

I hope the media takes notice of this development. Paki's have found a new sponsor in China to replace US, and want to prove PoK is secure by taking the fight to India.

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Karthik S » 16 May 2017 11:15

May be they are there to protect cheeni investment.

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya_V » 16 May 2017 11:37

tsarkar wrote:As per ongoing discussion on one of my Whatsapp group, there are indications that Pakistan is moving many Battalions to Jammu & Kashmir border that were earlier deployed in Operation Zarb-e-Azb that was scaled down / wound up in early 2017.

These battalions have newer US Communication Sets harder to intercept/jam than older sets, Thermal Imaging and better firepower.

Qamar Bajwa making two trips to LoC indicates some mischief being planned. He is an Ahmediya and has to re-iterate his credentials like the Muhajir Musharraf to hold on to power.

At the least, we'll have increased infiltration attempts, BAT actions, Uri/Pathankot type strikes etc.

I hope the media takes notice of this development. Paki's have found a new sponsor in China to replace US, and want to prove PoK is secure by taking the fight to India.


If this true hope we are very well prepared, they are definately upto something.

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Austin » 16 May 2017 12:41

Take back our POK that would take care of any mischief from Pak and put an end to all Chinese dreams

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Bishwa » 16 May 2017 16:49

tsarkar,
Operation Zarb-e-Azb involved one division of troops from 10 Corps? It is possible they are coming back?

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby nam » 16 May 2017 20:15

tsarkar wrote:At the least, we'll have increased infiltration attempts, BAT actions, Uri/Pathankot type strikes etc.

I hope the media takes notice of this development. Paki's have found a new sponsor in China to replace US, and want to prove PoK is secure by taking the fight to India.


The monsoon will be soon up on us, hindering any counter offensive across the Punjab area.

That leaves the deserts and Kashmir region, allowing PA to manage resources. Some attempt on South Kashmir area to declare it "independent"?

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Gagan » 16 May 2017 20:35

They neither have the resources or the balls to do so. They don't have the leadership to do so either

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Postby Bishwa » 17 May 2017 05:48

The attached links have the proposed road, rail and fiber optic network of CPEC This is from a gov.pk extension site.

Road : http://cpec.gov.pk/map-single/1
Railway : http://cpec.gov.pk/map-single/2
Fiber Optic : http://cpec.gov.pk/map-single/3

Notice the proximity to the LOC. Notice also that the Fiber Optic map lists Kashmir under India :-) They lifted a map from Microsoft and did not bother to change it :-)

At one time 23rd Infantry Div from X Corp, 14th Infantry Division of II Corp, and 37th Mechanized Infantry Div from I Corp was deployed in FATA/Swat. At another time 19 Infantry Division fro X Corp may have swapped places with one of these. So X Corp had lost manpower.

As per tsarkars info they are getting some back it seems

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby chola » 17 May 2017 11:42

Paki pilot taking paki-chini bhai-behan seriously.

http://aaj.tv/2017/05/video-of-chinese-girl-in-cockpit-goes-viral-on-social-media/

WEB DESK: The video of a Chinese passenger in PIA flight from Tokyo to Beijing went viral where she allegedly spent some time in plane’s cockpit and come out when plane landed, reportedly.

Sources revealed that pilot-in-command left flight deck in order to invite the passenger.



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Postby krishna_krishna » 20 May 2017 05:46

Porkis modifying basic jet traner to an armed version:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1334127/pac-u ... operations

How effective is this in war ? I thought they had armed drones akready

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Postby shiv » 20 May 2017 05:59

krishna_krishna wrote:Porkis modifying basic jet traner to an armed version:
https://www.dawn.com/news/1334127/pac-u ... operations

How effective is this in war ? I thought they had armed drones akready

Despite the intense scepticism generally shown on BRF - one such plane in a lightly defended area could take many Indian lives. They have their uses and it is only a kind of dream war sequence in which a war front will be bristling with missiles and CAP aircraft overhead. I read a short but interesting book by one Sushant Singh (MIssion Overseas) about 3 army campaigns about which not much is written- the Maldives action, Sri Lanka and the rescue of Indian paras in Congo.

In two of these actions - just one armed helo was extremely effective in preventing hostile forces from catching up with friendlies. For example you have a road on which forces are moving towards and objective and they come under heavy attack with small arms in an ambush. Just one lightly armed aircraft will be able to disperse the attackers. There are not dozens, but hundreds of such stories

There are so many situations in which an armed drone and its attendant complexities of satellite communication with a base, and other disabilities can never equal one man in the cockpit. For example - in one action the trapped Indian soldiers attracted the attention of aircraft by setting a hut on fire and asked the pilot to look out for that hut. In another action the pilot was told "All forces north of an orange flare that was fired are enemies". The aircraft responded within minutes

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Postby Austin » 24 May 2017 12:28

Pakistan has ordered three more AWACS aircraft Saab 2000 AEW & C

May 24th, 1:01
As told the magazine "Air Forces the Monthly" , at the end of April 2017 the commander of the Pakistan Air Force, Air Marshal Sohail Aman told the magazine that the Pakistan Air Force ordered three additional aircraft Airborne Early Warning and Control Saab 2000 AEW & C with a radar complex Saab erieye with active phased array . The first of these to be delivered to Pakistan in December 2017. AEW Management and Saab 2000 AEW & C radar system with Saab erieye Pakistan Air Force (tail number "10025", SE-25, serial number). Dubai, November 2011 (c) www.ainonline.com

In turn, the May 15, 2017 the Swedish group Saab AB announced that it had signed with the unnamed customer contract for the supply of undisclosed number of aircraft radar complexes Saab Erieye worth about 1.35 billion Swedish kronor (US $ 162 million), with delivery from 2017 to 2020 years.

Recall that Pakistan earlier became the first customer of radar complex Saab erieye in the variant with the installation of a regional turboprop aircraft Saab 2000, received a contract in 2005 in 2009-2012 four aircraft Saab 2000 AEW & C radar-erieye complex, which is believed to be their acquisition for the Pakistan Air Force was financed by Saudi Arabia. Aircraft in service with the 3rd Squadron of Pakistan Air Force. August 16, 2012 one of the set of Pakistani aircraft Saab 2000 AEW & C was destroyed on the ground during the Islamist attack on Kamra airbase, and two more injured - two damaged aircraft were returned to operation only in 2016. Now ordered three additional aircraft. Pakistan Air Force also operates two conventional aircraft Saab 2000 (purchased in 2008 and 2016) as the transport and training.

Furthermore, in 2014, one plane Saab 2000 AEW & C with a radar Erieye complex received Saudi Arabia, which is planned to use it primarily for maritime patrol and detection of surface targets. Total Saudi Arabia contracted in 2010 ordered three of the aircraft, but in March 2015 the Swedish pravitelstvopo political reasons terminated the agreement on defense cooperation with Saudi Arabia and prevent further arms supplies to this country. As a result, the second almost ready aircraft Saab 2000 AEW & C has not been put. We can assume that now it is the aircraft and will be the first operational shipped to Pakistan in December 2017. According to some reports, the first staged Saudi Arabia's aircraft Saab 2000 AEW & C is also not actually in use.

Since the production of the regional aircraft Saab 2000 was discontinued in 1999 after the construction of 47 production units, the conversion in AWACS planes are taken car of this type of secondary civil market.

It is worth noting that, in addition to the three aircraft AWACS Saab 2000 AEW & C radar-Erieye complex, Pakistan Air Force also has a four- received in 2011-2013 AWACS aircraft and management of Chinese-made ZDK-03 Karakoram Eagle, made on the basis of Y-8F-400 aircraft ( series 3). ZDK-03 aircraft are part of the 4th Squadron PAF.

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby sum » 24 May 2017 12:34

Pakis have managed to build up a massive AEWC fleet for such a tiny country.....

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Aditya_V » 24 May 2017 12:47

Or indeed the earlier rumours of 3 losses in TTP attacks are true.

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Postby Aditya_V » 24 May 2017 14:01

Pakistan jets fly near Siachen, 'Indian air space not violated'

The last PAF time did this the Paki Army had occupied the Kargil heights. Has the PA done something which we are yet to find out. Kargil infiltration was discovered only in late May 1999.

Something is definitely not looking right. I hope it is just a bloody nose to the PA which is causing this?

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby nirav » 24 May 2017 15:20

Saar, why so much self doubt ?
The pakis have a tendency of using their air force for optics and domestic consumption..

Id say it's only a matter of time before a navigationally challenged Abdul of the fizzle yeah flies his Bandar into our airspace only to be shot down.

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby ashishvikas » 25 May 2017 20:14

Pakistan Air Force jet crashes while on training mission

By PTI | Published: 25th May 2017 06:43 PM

http://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2 ... 09016.html

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby ArjunPandit » 25 May 2017 20:25

ashishvikas wrote:Pakistan Air Force jet crashes while on training mission

By PTI | Published: 25th May 2017 06:43 PM

http://www.newindianexpress.com/world/2 ... 09016.html

Every time they indulge in such bravado, they lose planes, last time before before surgical strike they lost one or two planes. The (f)art of war, killing enemy without fighting..too much chanikyan....
What BRF made me realize is that our undies may have holes, but papi babes dont even have an undie are covering their assets with just a hanky panky

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Postby Nikhil T » 28 May 2017 07:08

TSP's 'war' on terror costs down by 40%
ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has cut direct and indirect losses to its economy on account of terrorism by slightly above 40 per cent to $3.88 billion (Rs407.21bn) in the first nine months of this fiscal year.

Economic Survey 2016-17 attributes this to an improving security condition in the wake of ongoing military-led counterterrorism operations in the nation’s tribal regions and elsewhere.


Their costs are down but their recent defense budget had increase of 10% (while ours was flat?). This is the fifth year in running their defense budget increased by 10% or more, whereas India's has been almost flat. Overall, TSP has been steadily creating fiscal space for its military, no wonder its recent misadventures on the border and fueling Kashmir's unrest.

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Sid » 28 May 2017 07:36

They are spending money which they don't have and own. Their concept of "Military As A Service" (MAAS) has its limit, and there are not many countries left where they can provide their mercenary forces for rent.

As WoT comes to a close, they found CPEC and so called "Arab NATO", where they literally rented out their former leader of the nation. Their forces must be engaged in Yemen as well, as they are rented out by SA.

Let's see how it unfolds for them, as military leaderships are trained to have a tunnel vision. And theirs specifically tend to make same mistakes every 20 years, meaning their balls takes 2 decades to grow back :)

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Postby DrRatnadip » 28 May 2017 17:54

Sid wrote:And theirs specifically tend to make same mistakes every 20 years, meaning their balls takes 2 decades to grow back :)

:rotfl: :rotfl:

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby sudeepj » 28 May 2017 23:44

I dont understand why India does not threaten to impose sanctions on western arms companies that do business with Pakistan. Either its completely shortsighted, or its terribly Chanakyan in that western sourced weapons are not expected to work in the case of actual hostilities, unlike other weapon sources for the Pakis such as Chinese. (Which are not expected to work at all!! :rotfl: )

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Re: Pakistan arms sales, ops, doctrine, etc

Postby Gagan » 29 May 2017 01:48

The more pakistan spends on defense, the less it will spend on its own economic prosperity
The war can be won, if there is enough civil discontent to destabilize them due to economic and political reasons.
In another few years, a lot of things are about to change for Pakistan. They are in a negative development spiral economically. They have further speeded it up with CPEC by several folds.

The people of pakistan are fast approaching a situation where they will eagerly seek any alternative to the entity of Pakistan. The people of Sindh, Balochistan and KP are already there it seems. Gilgit-Baltistan people are also protesting.

If Pakistan holds a plebiscite, all people except for Pakjabis will vote to secede from Pakistan today!


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