India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SagarAg » 08 Oct 2014 23:31

skekatpuray wrote:Pukees are probably doing this on purpose. To divert attention from state elections and give Modi haters a chance to beat on him as 'see...see he's campaigning out here while soldiers are dying'

MSIyer calling for diplomatic contacts/peace with Pukees makes perfect sense now.

I have the same thought as well skekatpuray saar. Looks like panic button is pressed fearing BJP majority govt in Maha resulting in crackdown on their sleeper cells and other peaceful activities.

Another reason I can think of it diverting the attention from the happenings in easter sector in Momota didi Burdwan Party HQ jidahi hideout.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shravanp » 08 Oct 2014 23:52

Yes, even that is quite possible. With 10-years of gaddars ruling the nation, all our neighborhood has become so vulnerable that it's way to easy to cause imbalance that trigger the public discourse in the country. From east and west.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SagarAg » 09 Oct 2014 00:05

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Chandragupta » 09 Oct 2014 00:15

Attacks on Modi from Congress, SP & SS/MNS and attack on Indian Border by Porkistan. Is it a coincidence or is it a well timed manoeuvre? I think INC has deep links with ISI/TSPA and they are using each other to discredit Modi government. It is the most logical explanation of this.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby patel » 09 Oct 2014 00:24

This is the first time since 99 that we are standing up and giving it back to the pakis in the language they understand!! Jingo in me is very happy oneree.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shravanp » 09 Oct 2014 01:05

Chandragupta wrote:Attacks on Modi from Congress, SP & SS/MNS and attack on Indian Border by Porkistan. Is it a coincidence or is it a well timed manoeuvre? I think INC has deep links with ISI/TSPA and they are using each other to discredit Modi government. It is the most logical explanation of this.



Of course sar. Has to be. But as time goes on, I hope he puts some order in the country. Loose mouths, false stories publishing, character assassination should all be held accountable with punitive laws.

Here's the sad part. Most of the RW consist of talent mainly from STEM background and little in law or people managing skills. Kangress has mastered that. It's full of talented lawyers who really aren't afraid of Modi and will take arbitrate on behalf of thugs/goons. Newstraders precisely bank on this help as well. That's what I think.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gus » 09 Oct 2014 01:08

it could just be a push to get as much jihadis in before winter sets. probably happened every year, except this time we are firing back.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SagarAg » 09 Oct 2014 01:18

Gus wrote:it could just be a push to get as much jihadis in before winter sets. probably happened every year, except this time we are firing back.

So civilians causalities were there last year also?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SBajwa » 09 Oct 2014 01:30

So far in the border area it is not Indian Army vs nPaki Rangers.

It is BSF VS (nPakis Rangers and nPaki army).

ORBAT guys Which nPaki army units are deployed across from

Jaurian == Bajwat wildlife sanctuary and Kotli Loharan
Ranbir Singh Pura == Sialkote and Kundan Pur
Sambah == Chack Gamrolla, Chawinda, Pasrur Shakar Garh and Zafarwal

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ramana » 09 Oct 2014 01:47

Some one on twitter put together a 10 step summary of the current situation.

Looks like Indian Armed forces are ready for any escalation.

Vril wrote:https://twitter.com/Purple_Truth/status/519917110307602433/photo/1

lists the Indian army response and preparedness to paki perfidy.

not able to post the image so sharing the link.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shravanp » 09 Oct 2014 02:04

Will we ever witness "thandi shurvaat" in our lifetime? :)

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nirav » 09 Oct 2014 02:10

ramana wrote:Some one on twitter put together a 10 step summary of the current situation.

Looks like Indian Armed forces are ready for any escalation.

Vril wrote:https://twitter.com/Purple_Truth/status/519917110307602433/photo/1

lists the Indian army response and preparedness to paki perfidy.

not able to post the image so sharing the link.


Excellent.

The packees even with their unsound minds wouldn't dare escalate it to move beyond the current shooting zone.

While we are at it, might as well obliterate the odd KM or 2 from the border to demonstrate our resolve and punish them dearly for their perfidy.

Early diwali. :twisted:

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_26622 » 09 Oct 2014 02:30

Just what is expected in terms of escalation and using heavy equipment to drill sense. Hoping BSF gets 'ownership' of heavy gear to do a mini 'cold' retaliation when dumbo pakis try any more BS.

I am not a fan of cold start or entering Paki land - who in sane mind wants to jump in to a pile if sh*t!

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SwamyG » 09 Oct 2014 02:42

Any pictures of the destruction on the Pakistani military side?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_28797 » 09 Oct 2014 02:55

Actually it's good that the DDM isn't showing it. These types of things should remain private.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_22733 » 09 Oct 2014 03:07

I wont be surprised if Bakis shell their own civilians and claim India did it. Afterall, it clears the area from those pesky Cashmeres who ended up by choice or by (really hard) luck on the Baki side of the border.

Zarb-e-zamzam (aka Pakhtun genocide) now on the east side as well.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SwamyG » 09 Oct 2014 03:15

narendranaik wrote:Actually it's good that the DDM isn't showing it. These types of things should remain private.

Private? Public humiliation is necessary for the Paki Army. When aam Abdul in Pakistan realize that neither their Mullahs (Islam) nor their Army are all that pawarful, they will trust less of them. During the days of Mohammed, victories and loot motivated his followers to further ransack territories. Each victory led them to believe that Allah was on their side. That is how Islam worked.

Let them know their God and Army are not really powerful.

Sure releasing those pictures will cause takleef to sikulars and pseudo-liberals in desh and elsewhere. Obviously the released pictures would be sanitized and go through an approval process. Humiliating pictures should be effectively used as a tool to demoralize their soldiers and cool down fanaticism.

And Indians need to know, India is winning. Saar, in war propaganda is a must.

You guys are looking at a new leader and government. If Pakis release pictures, then they would be self-goals. Indian MSM who are affiliated with Pakistanis will no doubt shout "Murderer". But that is nothing new. Modi will stand up, own it and say....."sorry boss that it happened. we just retaliated." That is all it requires ONE statement from Modi, and Indians will realize they are in safe hands.
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 09 Oct 2014 03:32

I was looking at the pictures that I found on Yawn's website. They claim that the pictures are from both sides of the border (probably some attempt at ==).

BUT, the devastation on the Paki side seems to be much more severe - there wasn't a single building demolished in the Indian pics but several on the Paki pics. Better guns/ammo perhaps?

http://www.dawn.com/news/1136642/civili ... pak-border

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karan M » 09 Oct 2014 04:02

The day we had awaited came at last. As versus that wannabe Paki MMS, a true Indian PM has done what is necessary.
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Shanmukh » 09 Oct 2014 04:04

Folks-I am no expert on military matters. One question. Can the present crisis be utilised to grab important border posts from the Pakistanis and change the situation on the ground permanently? Not on a large scale, of course, but every time the Pakistanis play these games, can they be made to lose 5-10 posts (this is just a figure of speech, can be more or less as deemed appropriate). IIRC, Israelis used these games with the Syrians in the 60s to incrementally grab more and more of the Golan Heights (in fact, Rabin admitted to playing this game once). Can India do something similar?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 09 Oct 2014 04:19

nageshks wrote:Folks-I am no expert on military matters. One question. Can the present crisis be utilised to grab important border posts from the Pakistanis and change the situation on the ground permanently? Not on a large scale, of course, but every time the Pakistanis play these games, can they be made to lose 5-10 posts (this is just a figure of speech, can be more or less as deemed appropriate). IIRC, Israelis used these games with the Syrians in the 60s to incrementally grab more and more of the Golan Heights (in fact, Rabin admitted to playing this game once). Can India do something similar?


What a wonderful idea. If the Paki's retreat from the border in the face of the shelling, we should grab a couple of border posts - if for no other reason, to force them to stay in their posts in the face of future shelling :mrgreen:

We will kill more Paki's/shell that way.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_28797 » 09 Oct 2014 04:28

Is it possible to grab land everytime ceasefire occurs? That should take care of the paki problem by the time Modi completes his term. :mrgreen:

Now I can see why the sickular jihadis in India and the pakis were scared shitless of this Hindutva/communal/fascist leader. He takes action and is interested in defending the national interests of India, something the secular, nehruvian peace loving piss loving congress party and their cronies in media never did.

Is there more evidence needed to show how deeply ISI-Congress-Communist-Secular groups are connected?

Oh well..

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 09 Oct 2014 05:10

Sid wrote:What message we would be sending? That we are even more barbarians then Porkies are?


That's what Prithviraj Chauhan thought when he spared Ghouri umpteen times.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Nikhil T » 09 Oct 2014 05:17

ramana wrote:Some one on twitter put together a 10 step summary of the current situation.

Looks like Indian Armed forces are ready for any escalation.

Vril wrote:https://twitter.com/Purple_Truth/status/519917110307602433/photo/1

lists the Indian army response and preparedness to paki perfidy.

not able to post the image so sharing the link.

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I'd be highly suspicious of such one off 'sources'. Honestly, while I'm positive BSF is smashing the Rangers, these claims look highly exaggerated. Like how has the new Govt, in the limited time of 4 months, restocked the war reserves to such extent that 'long-term intense engagements' are now possible? Also the claim that IA has opened the Rajouri/Kargil sector away is unsubstantiated by any other news source & highly unlikely.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_23370 » 09 Oct 2014 05:30

It seems some desi propaganda. I can't imagine why GoI would reveal all these details.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Shrinivasan » 09 Oct 2014 06:52

SagarAg wrote:Image
This is amazing new.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Misraji » 09 Oct 2014 07:02

Sid wrote:What message we would be sending? That we are even more barbarians then Porkies are?

Yes, if need be.
That is exactly the message that needs to be sent.
There is a difference in bullying the meekest kid in the class vs the aggressive kid (I am not talking about the size here.)

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SanjayC » 09 Oct 2014 07:52

Sid wrote:What message we would be sending? That we are even more barbarians then Porkies are?


That is the only message that works with Islamist bullies.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 09 Oct 2014 07:59

Here is an article that warms the heart:

Islamabad shocked as Indian Army launches 'massive' retaliation to border firing... and confident PM Modi promises 'everything will be all right soon'

Islamabad may not be awed, but it certainly is shocked by the ferocity and volume of the Indian response to ceasefire violations along the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir.

Given complete freedom to act by the government, the Indian Army and Border Security Force are firing back at will from every spot the Pakistanis have targeted.

The volume and intensity of India’s return fire is much higher than the usual calibrated response the Pakistanis have come to expect.
Top government sources told Mail Today that Indian forces are systematically targeting infrastructure and force deployment nodes on the other side.

The damage on the other side is so high that Pakistan is, according to an internal report sent to South Block by the Indian mission in Islamabad, “ducking for cover”.

A media blackout of sorts is in place in Pakistan’s affected areas, so as to keep a lid on the extent of damage suffered. Pakistan’s military establishment is on the verge of losing face, and it doesn’t like the evolving situation one bit.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was the picture of confidence on Thursday evening during a function at Air Chief Arup Raha’s residence.

“Everything will be all right soon,” he said.

The government is understood to have also told Indian forces not to seek any flag meeting with the other side, thus sending the signal that it is in no mood to ease situation on the border with Pakistan until the ceasefire violations come to a complete halt.

Top government sources said that firing on the International Border was a result of Islamabad’s frustration over New Delhi blocking all of its attempts to internationalise the Kashmir issue.

Channels shut India’s massive retaliation to the ceasefire violations has resulted in at least 35 deaths across the border, as per an assessment based on open sources.
The government is not prepared to hold any discussion with Pakistan until the firing stops, as it wants to underline the point that Islamabad cannot dictate the terms of dialogue.

The border move is no flash in the pan; it comes after a series of deft diplomatic moves.

A top government functionary said a series of steps were taken in recent weeks to block every attempt by Pakistan to internationalise the Kashmir issue.

To begin with, the UN Military Observer Group (UNMOGIP) was made irrelevant.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s address to the UN General Assembly in New York ensured that Kashmir was not allowed to dominate the agenda.

Coupled with some diplomatic engagements with Japan and China, the moves ensured that the Kashmir issue became irrelevant.

Calling off the foreign secretary level dialogue with Pakistan because of its continued parleys with Hurriyat leaders also played a part in frustrating Pakistan.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is busy touring Haryana and Maharashtra where Assembly elections are due, has remained in close touch with the service chiefs to get the updates on the situation on the border. Sources said New Delhi is prepared for a long haul and will not stop at massive retaliation until its objective of keeping the sanctity of the ceasefire is met.

The reason

Firing along the Line of Control would not have attracted international attention, and sources ascribed this as the reason for why the International Border was chosen for a series of ceasefire violations.

But it hasn’t worked, and there is no pressure on India to scale down firing, said sources.

India does not want to give any space to Pakistan that can dilute or weaken New Delhi’s basic condition of ‘no dialogue in the shadow of gun’.

By resorting to tactics like ceasefire violations, Islamabad is only making matters worse, sources said.

Another reason for Pakistan’s latest border tantrum is the government’s concern that the BJP may do well in the forthcoming Assembly elections in the state and thus have a major say in a possible coalition government. Sources said there has not been major ceasefire violation along the Line of Control since Wednesday, but the International Border, particularly in the Jammu region, continues to be rocked by firing.

Secretary (Border Management) Snehlata Kumar has briefed Home Secretary Anil Goswami, who also met National Security Advisor Ajit Doval.

BSF chief D.K. Pathak is on the ground assessing the situation and personally supervising operations.

“Pakistani troops are targeting the civilian areas because they think that they are not being able to cause any big damage to the BSF posts,” he said, adding that at present there is no talk of a flag meeting.

IAF chief Arup Raha also said that firing on the border was “serious” and that the government wanted a quick resolution of the problem.

The latest episode marks a considerable toughening of India’s stand on border stand-offs. Similar resistance was shown during the stand-off in eastern Ladakh’s Chumar area last month.

After India refused to budge, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) vacated its positions in the disputed territory and agreed to the pre-1 September situation.

...there is more...



Allah O Akbar. Happy days are here again. :mrgreen:
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Islamabad shocked as Indian Army launches 'massive' retaliation to border firing... and confident PM Modi promises 'everything will be all right soon'
Islamabad may not be awed, but it certainly is shocked by the ferocity and volume of the Indian response to ceasefire violations along the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir.

Given complete freedom to act by the government, the Indian Army and Border Security Force are firing back at will from every spot the Pakistanis have targeted.

The volume and intensity of India’s return fire is much higher than the usual calibrated response the Pakistanis have come to expect.

Top government sources told Mail Today that Indian forces are systematically targeting infrastructure and force deployment nodes on the other side.

The damage on the other side is so high that Pakistan is, according to an internal report sent to South Block by the Indian mission in Islamabad, “ducking for cover”.

A media blackout of sorts is in place in Pakistan’s affected areas, so as to keep a lid on the extent of damage suffered. Pakistan’s military establishment is on the verge of losing face, and it doesn’t like the evolving situation one bit.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi was the picture of confidence on Thursday evening during a function at Air Chief Arup Raha’s residence.

“Everything will be all right soon,” he said.

The government is understood to have also told Indian forces not to seek any flag meeting with the other side, thus sending the signal that it is in no mood to ease situation on the border with Pakistan until the ceasefire violations come to a complete halt.

Top government sources said that firing on the International Border was a result of Islamabad’s frustration over New Delhi blocking all of its attempts to internationalise the Kashmir issue.

Channels shut India’s massive retaliation to the ceasefire violations has resulted in at least 35 deaths across the border, as per an assessment based on open sources.

The government is not prepared to hold any discussion with Pakistan until the firing stops, as it wants to underline the point that Islamabad cannot dictate the terms of dialogue.

The border move is no flash in the pan; it comes after a series of deft diplomatic moves.

A top government functionary said a series of steps were taken in recent weeks to block every attempt by Pakistan to internationalise the Kashmir issue.

To begin with, the UN Military Observer Group (UNMOGIP) was made irrelevant.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s address to the UN General Assembly in New York ensured that Kashmir was not allowed to dominate the agenda.

Coupled with some diplomatic engagements with Japan and China, the moves ensured that the Kashmir issue became irrelevant.

Calling off the foreign secretary level dialogue with Pakistan because of its continued parleys with Hurriyat leaders also played a part in frustrating Pakistan.

Prime Minister Narendra Modi, who is busy touring Haryana and Maharashtra where Assembly elections are due, has remained in close touch with the service chiefs to get the updates on the situation on the border. Sources said New Delhi is prepared for a long haul and will not stop at massive retaliation until its objective of keeping the sanctity of the ceasefire is met.


The reason

Firing along the Line of Control would not have attracted international attention, and sources ascribed this as the reason for why the International Border was chosen for a series of ceasefire violations.

But it hasn’t worked, and there is no pressure on India to scale down firing, said sources.

India does not want to give any space to Pakistan that can dilute or weaken New Delhi’s basic condition of ‘no dialogue in the shadow of gun’.

By resorting to tactics like ceasefire violations, Islamabad is only making matters worse, sources said.

Another reason for Pakistan’s latest border tantrum is the government’s concern that the BJP may do well in the forthcoming Assembly elections in the state and thus have a major say in a possible coalition government. Sources said there has not been major ceasefire violation along the Line of Control since Wednesday, but the International Border, particularly in the Jammu region, continues to be rocked by firing.

Secretary (Border Management) Snehlata Kumar has briefed Home Secretary Anil Goswami, who also met National Security Advisor Ajit Doval.

BSF chief D.K. Pathak is on the ground assessing the situation and personally supervising operations.

“Pakistani troops are targeting the civilian areas because they think that they are not being able to cause any big damage to the BSF posts,” he said, adding that at present there is no talk of a flag meeting.

IAF chief Arup Raha also said that firing on the border was “serious” and that the government wanted a quick resolution of the problem.

The latest episode marks a considerable toughening of India’s stand on border stand-offs. Similar resistance was shown during the stand-off in eastern Ladakh’s Chumar area last month.

After India refused to budge, the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) vacated its positions in the disputed territory and agreed to the pre-1 September situation.


'Pakistan didn't anticipate reprisals'

By Saurabh Shukla in New Delhi

It seems Pakistan’s military establishment did not anticipate a strong Indian response to the shelling at the Line of Control (LoC) and International Border. According to an internal report sent by the Indian mission in Islamabad to South Block, the Pakistani military establishment is now running for cover in the face of India’s retaliation.

Pakistan Rangers have been resorting to unprovoked mortar shelling and heavy firing along the International Border, particularly since Monday.

Constant ceasefire violations spread panic and encourage migration, J&K government says Indian Border security forces (BSF) patrols the barbed wires at Sakherewala out post in Thar desert where India & Pakistan shares the international border in Jaisalmer district in Rajasthan.Such patroling & checking takes place in specified time intervals as to ensure no tresspassing, infiltratation & exfiltrations occur between the two countries at the international border. India follows Pakistan's ceasefire violations with heavy mortars and small arms fire

But the Narendra Modi government in New Delhi is firm about disciplining Pakistan. Top sources in the government told Mail Today that NSA Ajit Doval has told the security establishment that the BSF should respond with full force and shouldn’t ask for any flag meeting with the Pakistani Rangers.

According to the Indian mission’s report, India’s retaliation has been so effective that Pakistani television channels have been directed by the Pak GHQ and ISI to completely black out any media coverage of the damage caused on the Pakistani side, and not to show any visuals of the casualties or damage on the ground.

Even the Dawn newspaper was asked on Wednesday by Pakistan Army commanders to tone down its initial report about a few people being killed in retaliatory Indian fire.

Pakistani diplomatic sources admit that even though they have petitioned the UN, in reality the Pakistan Army has tied itself into knots. Its aim of targeting India was to divert attention of Pakistani people from the internal strife and to test the new Indian government. But the plan has clearly backfired
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_22733 » 09 Oct 2014 08:16

Fundamentalist following of peace, i.e. putting peace at any cost is plain suicide. Peace or violence is the result of a set of thoughts and rationale that should originate from a well grounded philosophy. It also does not make sense from a game theory perspective. You are already a loser if you are removing your capability to inflict damage from being used to your advantage.

Justified violence has an equal role to play in daily conduct when compared to justified peace. Both are grounded on some policy or the other, and that policy should be rooted in one philosophy or the other.

Peace (or violence) at any cost is a philosophical absurdity, by finalizing an action first and then finding justification. Ijlamics and the peacenik fundamentalists are two sides of the same coin. They love each other for the same reason.

The "==" that sikularist draw should not be between the infamous yindooooo fundooos and malsic crazies. It should be between themselves+WKKs and Malsi fundoos.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Roperia » 09 Oct 2014 08:36

@dailymail-article :rotfl:

Pakis are telling the world that if you ignore us and mollycoddle Yindia, all hell will break loose on IB (not just LoC).

They want the west to "tell" India - talk or India-Pak won't be able to control this escalation (our WKKs are already shouting that at the top of their lungs). For e.g., this editorial in The Hindu advises us to talk to Pakistan - Save the ceasefire

India has given into this Paki blackmail for long. MMS's entire Pakistan policy was to tolerate the slap (cross border terrorism in Kashmir, beheading of our soldiers, terrorist attacks on our cities etc.) by the Uniformed Jihadis of Pakistan or he feared that they would nuke India (for pictorial representation imagine shivering MMS :mrgreen: ). What a shame he didn't get the Nobel peace prize! (Irony is that Obama got it for bombing 7 sovereign countries) :lol:

I think we should prepare to live with a hot border. Any loss of life or damage to property by not-uniformed brethren (LeT etc.) of the uniformed Jihadi army should be responded to on the border by killing uniformed Jihadis.

Pakis would be spoken to in the language they understand.
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_28797 » 09 Oct 2014 08:42

@dailywail farticle

Now that India is handing back porkistan it's a$$ back, the western puppeteers have convinently come out of the woodwork to whine about the ceasefire and "loss of lives". What about the lives lost on this border?

Also, note how not one mention is made of the fact that ceasefire violation was started by porkistan, we just ended it. Biased retards doing their usual meddling.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby pankajs » 09 Oct 2014 08:43

Another one
TOI India ‏@TOIIndiaNews 36m36 minutes ago

'India walking into Pak trap with fire for fire' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... IIndiaNews

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby member_28797 » 09 Oct 2014 08:57

aah.. here comes the secular media with it's secular candlelights.. yawn
Don't be surprised if all the western media also starts singing bhajan about "India's aggresion tomorrow"
interesting times ahead. Just hope the civillians of our country don't drink this stupid kool aid

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 09 Oct 2014 08:58

pankajs wrote:Another one
TOI India ‏@TOIIndiaNews 36m36 minutes ago

'India walking into Pak trap with fire for fire' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... IIndiaNews


Shite spouted by Josy Joseph who I think also wrote that crap about that coup that never was in Indian express..

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby g.sarkar » 09 Oct 2014 09:01

George wrote:What we really need is a cheaper Bramhos with 100KM range. Something that can be housed at a safe distance and will not follow a ballistic trajectory. Pinaka or other MBRL's are just not effective enough for precision strikes. And heavy arty takes too long to cause effective damage.
Currently Bramhos costs approx $4 million including support infra. If we can make a 100km cruiser with 100kg payload for $500K - 1 mil each, we can reduce their border infra to dust in a day.

Bramhos too expensive for vermin.
Anybody remember Stalin Orgel?
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Roperia » 09 Oct 2014 09:04

India's tough posture on border has been in place since June - TOI

NEW DELHI: India's tough stance on the border and heavy retaliation to Pakistan's ceasefire violations is not new-found aggression. It is a feature that has continued since June and was visible in the heavy casualties India inflicted on Pakistan in the July-August offensive. The October operation is only a heightened expression of it.

Through 2014, 13 Indians have been killed by Pakistani fire during ceasefire violations. Of this, only one was a soldier. On the Pakistani side, however, there have been close to 25 casualties which include three soldiers and two LeT terrorists due to Indian retaliation.

In 2013, as many as 12 Indian soldiers had died in a combination of cross-border firing and Pakistan BAT (Border Action Team) operation while one civilian was reported killed. On the other side, according to Pakistani media reports that quoted documents presented to the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, there were nine military casualties and six civilian deaths.

Even during the August 2014 offensive, Indian forces mounted greater firepower as compared to their approach during a similar offensive in August 2013. The result was that as many as eight people, including soldiers, LeT terrorists and civilians, were killed in Pakistan and over two dozen injured in the firings that began on August 16 this year. On the Indian side, however, there were only two casualties — of civilians. All these incidents took place on the International Border in Jammu guarded by BSF.

"We are thrice in strength of Pakistan Rangers and thus have as many weapons. This has resulted in heavy casualties on the other side even though Pakistan Rangers are being supported by their army. We will continue to retaliate fiercely until Pakistan stops firing," said a senior BSF officer.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Yagnasri » 09 Oct 2014 09:17

TOI India ‏@TOIIndiaNews 36m36 minutes ago

'India walking into Pak trap with fire for fire' http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... IIndiaNews …[/quote][/quote]

Shite spouted by Josy Joseph who I think also wrote that crap about that coup that never was in Indian express..[/quote]

The crap on Army Coup shows from where he is getting his payments. In respect of us becoming Barbarians. This is the times of Lord Krishna or Kalki Bhagavaan. Even if these are the times of Lord Rama, he killed all the male population in Lanka which took arms against him and Hanumanji burned Lanka just to send a message of good conduct to Ravana.

Just read Chanukaya and learn Dharma.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 09 Oct 2014 09:48

We should seek an opportunity and take back pt 5033 and like using combined arms. We have done it in past and can do it again:

http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/other-loonda-kargil-ii.html

But all this has to be done in secret


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