India Border Watch: Security and Operations

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Oct 2016 07:55

^^ Looks like lots of activity happening at the border going by the selective info and bits and pieces being thrown about.

Guess BATs/SF from both sides are in full action all over the border zones....

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Oct 2016 08:01

Raheel is desperate and edgy to regain some ghairat before he retires or formally demands an extension or officially takes over as the new ruler of Isloo.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Oct 2016 08:07

Rudradev wrote:No big mystery why civilian dwellings are being targeted. These are predominantly Hindu (maybe some Sikh) areas of Jammu. They want to cleanse these areas of non-Muslims as effectively as the valley itself was cleansed by their proxies in early 1990s. It is a demographic war for Islam to claim these lands by sheer weight of numbers.**

Other areas of eastern Jammu (Doda and Udhampur, IIRC... Jamwal ji can correct me) have been slowly skewed towards Muslim-dominance, if not outright Muslim-majority, through years of terrorist atrocities and slow bleeding away of the non-Muslim population via a thousand cuts. The Hindus and Sikhs in these border areas were more tenacious and stayed put. Because GOI has begun to respond more robustly to infiltration, Pakis are now trying to remove these Indian citizens from their homes by force with artillery shelling.

**In fact, that's why the MSM is actually very quiet about the Pakistani ops. Ordinarily they would be shouting from the rooftops about Surgical Strike Failed, Blow To Modi etc. much loudER than they are now (they still are, but it is relatively muted). They don't want the story to become so big that Indians, especially Hindus, manage to digest what the intentions are behind Pakistani shelling.

but we will not do the same to them!!

Fight fire with fire onlee. the beggars don't understand any other language. Structures on their side of the line are all intact and life goes on normally there.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Oct 2016 08:12

chetak wrote:but we will not do the same to them!!

Fight fire with fire onlee. the beggars don't understand any other language. Structures on their side of the line are all intact and life goes on normally there.

How do you claim that? Baki media has been going on an on about civilian deaths in Indian firing, unless they are hiding military deaths as civvies. Plus people have been posting stuff like this.

See this tweet
https://twitter.com/Asif_Maher/status/7 ... wsrc%5Etfw

We must fight fire with 2x or even 10x the fire. Bakis are incapable of understanding anything else- laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahin maante

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 28 Oct 2016 08:59

Kashi wrote:
chetak wrote:but we will not do the same to them!!

Fight fire with fire onlee. the beggars don't understand any other language. Structures on their side of the line are all intact and life goes on normally there.
How do you claim that? Baki media has been going on an on about civilian deaths in Indian firing, unless they are hiding military deaths as civvies. Plus people have been posting stuff like this.

See this tweet
https://twitter.com/Asif_Maher/status/7 ... wsrc%5Etfw

We must fight fire with 2x or even 10x the fire. Bakis are incapable of understanding anything else- laaton ke bhoot baaton se nahin maante

paki media can say what it wants. We have not dealt with the pakis as they have dealt with us. Why do you find this surprising??

Time to take off the gloves and do unto others as they would do unto you. Works every time

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Oct 2016 09:04

chetak wrote:paki media can say what it wants. We have not dealt with the pakis as they have dealt with us. Why do you find this surprising??

Time to take off the gloves and do unto others as they would do unto you. Works every time

I think we are doing that to an extent. BSF does not seem to be sparing Baki civvie hamlets if the firing is coming from within, as Bakis are prone to doing every time. Now I am not sure if BSF are hitting these villages regardless.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Oct 2016 10:59

vijayk wrote:Sir Arnab ‏@iSirArnab 19m19 minutes ago
BREAKING: Border #Sundarbani is ATTACKED by Coward PAK Army and hence INDIAN ARMY been asked to GO ALL OUT... It's HIGH TIME to take POK in

Sundarbani is not near border,. It has a large Hindu population though. Can't truat all these random tweeta.

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 28 Oct 2016 11:33

As per twitter ANI account there is heavy shelling in Sundarbani

https://twitter.com/ANI_news

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 28 Oct 2016 12:03

Sandeep ‏@SandeepUnnithan

- Preparing for war? My story in the @IndiaToday 2day details govt fast tracking ammo buys. Rs 5000 cr approx. Largest since Op Parakram. 1/3
- MoD empowered teams in Israel, Russia, buying ammo off prod lines. Tank, arty, rockets. Building up WWR for 10-14 days 'Intense' war. 2/3
- Special Forces equipment buys fast tracked — Car Gustaf M4s, new Assault Rifles, LMGs, Thermal imagers. @IndiaToday 3/3

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Oct 2016 12:21

Sundarbani is 50 km from the border. Must be some settlements in the vicinity, not the town itself.

Is BSF deployed there or is it army ?

sum · Post by **sum** » 28 Oct 2016 12:40

kmkraoind wrote:Sandeep ‏@SandeepUnnithan

- Preparing for war? My story in the @IndiaToday 2day details govt fast tracking ammo buys. Rs 5000 cr approx. Largest since Op Parakram. 1/3
- MoD empowered teams in Israel, Russia, buying ammo off prod lines. Tank, arty, rockets. Building up WWR for 10-14 days 'Intense' war. 2/3
- Special Forces equipment buys fast tracked — Car Gustaf M4s, new Assault Rifles, LMGs, Thermal imagers. @IndiaToday 3/3

Blog which must not be named ( Trishul by prasun.S) also mentions in comments about how he bumped into teams of IA folks in 2 or 3 unlikely different countries and they seem on be on some desperate stocking mission of various weapon system spares

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 28 Oct 2016 15:38

Press Trust of India@PTI_News
15 #Pak Rangers killed in retaliatory firing by #Indian forces along IB: #BSF.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Oct 2016 15:41

Some local sources saying that calls for funeral processions from paki mosques can be heard on Indian side.

salaam · Post by **salaam** » 28 Oct 2016 17:00

Twitter Link

As firing continues along international border, Pakistan summons India’s deputy high commissioner JP Singh yet again tennews.in/as-firing-cont…

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 28 Oct 2016 17:06

jamwal wrote:Some local sources saying that calls for funeral processions from paki mosques can be heard on Indian side.

Insh allah

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 28 Oct 2016 17:08

This 15 Pak solidiers thing is not new. Its over a period of time including the 7 or was it 11 that were killed a few days ago. Waiting for 20-25 being killed in one strike.

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 28 Oct 2016 18:03

Soldier killed, another injured in Tanghdar

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/soldier-k ... -tanghdar/

A soldier was killed and another injured as Army foiled an infiltration bid along Line of Control (LoC) in Tanghdar sector of Kupwara district in North Kashmir today.
A group of militants waiting to infiltrate near the LoC fired upon an Army patrol at Gunda Post in Tanghdar sector today. One soldier, Sepoy Sandeep Singh, was killed and another injured in the attack.
Army foiled the intrusion attempt of militants and the injured soldier is undergoing treatment. Massive operation has been launched in the area.
A defence spokesman said here that troops intercepted a group of infiltrators along the LoC in Tanghdar sector today. “A soldier was killed and another injured in the gun battle. The operation is going on”, he said.
This evening, sources said, Pakistani troops targeted forward posts in Tanghdar sector and the fire was returned by the Army. Heavy firing is going on from both the sides.
And in a major blow to the Jaish-e-Muhammad (JeM) outfit, two associates of its commander Khalid were arrested by security forces today in North Kashmir’s Baramulla district.
The duo has been identified as Shahid Tantray and Fayaz Ahmad. They were arrested during operations launched by 46 Rashtriya Rifles of Army and Special Operations Group of Jammu and Kashmir Police, Baramulla in Faqir Wani and Boribagh areas of old town.
One AK-47 rifle, one UBGL grenade, one UBGL, four AK magazines, 200 rounds of AK ammunition, one hand grenade, one pistol, its magazine and ammunition were recovered from them.
The JeM is responsible for carrying out two attacks in Baramulla town in which two Army jawans and cop were killed on August 16 and one BSF jawan was killed early this month.
Earlier on October 22, security forces arrested two militants – Safeer Ahmad Bhat resident of Janbazpora, Baramulla and Farhaan Fayaz Liloo son of Fayaz Ahmad Liloo resident of Jamia Mohalla Baramulla – of the same module.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 28 Oct 2016 21:16

I don't like this arrest business. They might walk free after a while. Should not have disclosed the arrest...interrogate and ....

Sonugn · Post by **Sonugn** » 28 Oct 2016 22:48

Indian soldier's body mutilated

"In an encounter close to the Line of Control this evening, one soldier was martyred and one terrorist was killed. The terrorists mutilated the body of the jawan before fleeing back into Pakistan-occupied-Kashmir under the cover of firing by Pakistan Army," an army spokesman said.

He said the incident reflected the barbarism pervading in official and unofficial organisations in Pakistan.

"The incident will be responded to appropriately," he added.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 29 Oct 2016 00:32

^^ I fail to understand why do they do it ...ultimately they pay costs..may be rationality is against pakistaniyat...

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 29 Oct 2016 00:37

no, there is a rationale....bragging rights and the hindu baniya narrative. Helps to recruit cannon fodder from the huge unempolyed population.Also they have all become complete radical muslims from top down. This is the nature of the beast.

who pays costs ? Before now no one and now it wont be the fauji ruling class....

JayS · Post by **JayS** » 29 Oct 2016 00:50

One soldier KIA. His dead body mutilated. Shiv Arror reports it was beheading. This cannot just stop at 10-15 pakis killing. Need bigger thing. Something like the raid IA did on Brigade HQ in past. IIRC..

Very sad that we lost precious soldiers just before diwali. RIP. My heart goes to their families. Cant imagine their pain.

PS - Ohh it was posted already while I ws typing..

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 29 Oct 2016 00:55

on this diwali lets hope we do big fireworks. Only language...

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 29 Oct 2016 01:04

^^^ and hope we give adequate proofs too...so that the world knows too..few hundred dead bodies

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Oct 2016 01:05

Right now Pakis are headed towards a jihadi civil war. Nawaz Sharif has ASWJ and Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan, plus their allied tanzeems of Punjab, on his side. PA has Lashkar-e-Jhangvi and other groups on their side, plus their puppet Imran Khan and clerics like Tahir-ul-Qadri and the Ghazi of Lal Masjid.

PA, through Imran Khan, has announced an Islamabad Bandh where the groups allied to them will show their political strength and demonstrate against Nawaz Sharif's government.

Other powerful Jihadi Tanzeems... including LeT and JeM, are sitting on the fence and watching which side (PA or Nawaz) comes out ahead.

Here is the key as to how all this relates to India's border security. Back in the heyday of Kashmir jihad (1990s to 2007), LeT, JeM etc. would have been 400% on the side of the Pakistan Army... and against the civilian govt. However, there was bad blood generated between JeM and PA from 2007 until the 2013-14 Zarb e Azb operation... many JeM cadres sided with the TTP during that period. During the same period, political parties like PML-N began to enhance their own influence over jihadi groups like ASWJ, independently of the PA.

Only after Zarb e Azb did some of the top JeM cadres revert from TTP back to the umbrella of PA sponsorship. SShridhar ji has described, elsewhere, how the Pathankot AFB attack was part of PA's strategy to "rehabilitate" the returning JeM cadres as a core player in the anti-India jihad, after they had spent years fighting the PA as part of TTP.

So JeM's return to the PA embrace is still tenuous. There might still be people in JeM who bear grievances against the PA as a two-faced agent, and prefer the frank jihadism of ASWJ/SSP (who are on Nawaz Sharif's side) as an alternative. As for LeT, they were always on the side of the PA, even during the AfPak war. However, the Surgical Strike of 28/9 has left deep wounds in the LeT (many of their piglets died, as opposed to relatively few PA personnel). They are also tremendously angry with the PA for letting such an operation take place, and go unanswered.

Net net... there is a popularity contest going on whereby both Nawaz Sharif and the PA are vying for the support of influential jihadi groups in Pakistan. To bolster support amongst JeM and especially LeT at this critical time, PA needs to give them as much of a free hand (ability to claim clearly recognizable "victories") as possible. For this purpose, firing artillery across LoC or IB is not enough... PA needs to be seen by LeT/JeM as successfully enabling jihadi infiltration into India so that typical jihadi ops (mutilating or beheading Indians) can be carried out.

So the answer to "why have they done it" is to show that, far from being crippled by India's surgical strike in their ability to facilitate jihadi infiltration, PA remains willing and able to facilitate jihadi acts by LeT/JeM even now.

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 29 Oct 2016 02:41

Sure, no one ever said they were crippled....but a big cost was imposed and a huge strategic rubicon crossed. Precedent has been set.

Re your analysis, I have often thought that we must find a way to drive a wedge between PA and some tanzeems. One option is to talk to PA, launch big strikes on some tanzeems and let it leak that we had their support. Doval sir must be an expert in this...but these fissures must be exploited. And our actions significantly increased to hit them hard.

krishna_krishna · Post by **krishna_krishna** » 29 Oct 2016 02:46

Rdevji,

I disagree with you(probably first time) on the above, Nawaz and PA whatever they do they do it in Tandem wrt india. There are cases when they go shooting one another that is purely domestic control power play but when it comes to desh they are one and the same, make no mistake about it.

This is a message to desh for deep strikes and or a trap for us to do something. A calculated move, they will see in how many days a response happened and keep updating their rule book. What I would love to see is asymmetric response that cannot be gauged and or different method of delievering medicine each time they are unmanageable for them.

We need to dislodge few pigs using shmel rockets (probably) higher afsars. Then only you will see tunes change like war is not an option , only unstoppable dialogue, track thoo itiyadi

Gyan · Post by **Gyan** » 29 Oct 2016 02:59

We should use the Smerch rockets otherwise they will get time barred / expire.

We have 40 launchers of Pinaka, 54 of Smerch, 100 new Upgraded Grad, 6 Danush. All of them need to be tested, used.

Prem · Post by **Prem** » 29 Oct 2016 03:05

Gyan wrote:We should use the Smerch rockets otherwise they will get time barred / expire.

We have 40 launchers of Pinaka, 54 of Smerch, 100 new Upgraded Grad, 6 Danush. All of them need to be tested, used.

We need TOS 1 so they can do the proper well done BBQ .

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Oct 2016 03:08

Akshay, Completely agree on the precedent. It needs to be taken further.

My understanding is that the pro-Nawaz politicians, jihadi groups, and urdu media outlets began a campaign alleging that PA had proved itself to be napunsak in the face of Indian surgical strikes... the aim being to woo LeT, JeM etc. away from their erstwhile patrons, the PA, to Nawaz's side. That is what I meant when I said PA has to prove to LeT/JeM that it isn't "crippled", or impotent in supporting jihadi infiltration.

To your point I think the wedge has already been driven (perhaps with a little help from the invincible pigeon, perhaps not)... but it surely exists. SSP/ASWJ + Nawaz on one side, LeJ/others + PTI + PA on the other. Strategic takeaway for India is: either PA or civilian leadership (in this case Nawaz) getting too powerful is bad for India, because whichever side comes out dominant will use the tanzeems primarily against India to consolidate its power within Pakistan. The best outcome for us is when PA + its tanzeems is roughly equal in political strength to Nawaz + his tanzeems. Then they fight each other, and it's popcorn time for us.

When we punish the PA on the border, it strengthens Nawaz's hand. This is a new paradigm we have introduced into the Paki political landscape.

Until the mid-2000s, the civilian leadership were always on the back-foot, because PA dominated not only the India policy, but also (through ISI) all the jihadi tanzeems. Over the past 10 years, however, three things have contributed to changing the equation:

1) Many jihadi tanzeems defected away from PA (and towards TTP/Al-Qaida) during the US-AfPak conflict. Now the PA has to offer all kinds of inducements to woo them back on-side.
2) As PA became more of a corporate interest and less of a fighting force, jihadi tanzeems gained in strength and influence, and eventually amassed enough political power to become a third pole in the political landscape. They are not anyone's puppet now but an independent force that both the other two poles try to curry favour with.
3) With the Kerry-Lugar bill, PA was deprived of its last "trump card" against the civilian leadership... they cannot seize power in a coup, otherwise major $$$ are gone.

All these three developments reduced the relative strength of the PA, compared to the civilian leadership, in Pakistan as time went on. But even until recently, PA still held the upper hand.

And then, on 28th Sept 2016, a FOURTH thing happened to change the equation as dramatically as these other developments. For the first time since 1971, India was the principal actor in emphatically disrupting the political paradigm within Pakistan. THAT is the strategic Rubicon we have crossed.

As a result of this development, PA finds itself really struggling to hold on to its jihadi allies. The more ops we carry out like 28/9, the harder it will become for PA to maintain its credibility as the protector and mai-baap of the jihadi tanzeems. In fact, I would contend that the Imran Khan shut-down of Islamabad next week is in fact a panic reaction by PA, using PTI as a proxy to show that it still retains public (i.e. jihadi) confidence after the surgical strike.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 29 Oct 2016 03:13

krishna_krishna wrote:Rdevji,

I disagree with you(probably first time) on the above, Nawaz and PA whatever they do they do it in Tandem wrt india. There are cases when they go shooting one another that is purely domestic control power play but when it comes to desh they are one and the same, make no mistake about it.

No question of any mistake. Of course they are all anti-India. And when India didn't do anything in response to jihadi terrorism, it worked out fine for all of them.

That has changed now. All of a sudden jihadi groups are wondering who to back... can they trust the PA, who meekly succumbed to American pressure on Afghanistan, and now are seen to be helpless before an Indian surgical strike? Or should they pitch in with Nawaz instead? Or should they, perhaps, try to seize direct control of the government themselves?

Just because they are all anti-India doesn't mean they don't have violent hatreds and contests of ambition between themselves, which we can stoke and exploit.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 29 Oct 2016 04:32

rudradev ji, one thing that i feel reading your analysis is that NA-pakis in this "fog of war" (internal politics and external with india and declining relevance on world stage no ==) will commit some big blunder on border and force the hands of Indian establishment (MAD, IA) to accelerate the eventual collapse. Who knows may be next 5-10 yrs, anyways it has been over a decade since they did anything to Internationalize Kashmir (Kargil, 26/11..not counting Pathankot or Uri as they were tactical) to scare the world about Nuclear armaggeddon..
what bothers me most is are we prepared for such a scenario of migration much bigger than syria and full of people with nothing but indoctrinated hatred for us coming to our border for their roti and with people like barkha shouting for insaniyat and kashmiriyat in media..may be more than f-16 we need strong fences..

Akshay Kapoor · Post by **Akshay Kapoor** » 29 Oct 2016 13:40

Fences and fixed defences never hold Ranjan. From the Great Wall of China to the Alps (Hannibal) to the Maginot line.....attack is the only sensible defence. There is something in Rudradev ji's idea...we need to find a way of getting the Pakis to fight each other and break up. At the same time hammering them in consonance with our best interests.

habal · Post by **habal** » 29 Oct 2016 14:03

All things considered, all options weighed, I think Pakistan will fall under internal contradictions and global loss of face. They are giving us ample opportunities, we can accelerate their fall or postpone it as our wish. World community will be totally silent till Feb 18, we can do anything with them in interim, sacrifices of our soldiers shall not go in vain.

I am having naughty ideas of targeting sharif's handing over ceremony after Nov 30. We need to strike pindi at location.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 29 Oct 2016 14:04

Situation: Hot

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 124010.cms

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Amid Indo-Pak tension, Navy plans major drill
TNN | Oct 29, 2016, 03.25 AM IST

Amid Indo-Pak tension, Navy plans major drill

NEW DELHI: With the operational situation along the western front remaining volatile+ amid heavy exchanges of cross-border firing with Pakistani forces, the Indian security establishment is taking no chances in being ready for any contingency. Even as the Army and IAF airbases maintain top-levels of operational readiness+ , the Navy too is swinging into action with a major exercise "Paschim Leher (western wave)" in the Arabian Sea from next week.

Over 40 warships and submarines, backed by maritime fighter jets, patrol aircraft and drones, have already begun to amass on the western seaboard for the intensive combat manoeuvres, which include "a little cross-deployment" even from the eastern seaboard, say top defence sources. Concurrently, the defence ministry has delegated emergency financial powers to the three Service vice-chiefs, Lieutenant General Bipin Rawat, Air Marshal B S Dhanoa and Vice Admiral K B Singh, and set up empowered procurement committees to "make up deficiencies" in the ammunition and spares stockpiles of their forces "at the earliest", added the sources.

The Indian security establishment's assessment + is that Pakistan army chief General Raheel Sharif "may try something" in the form of BAT (border action team) operations or a major terror strike in the Indian mainland. "Gen Sharif is likely to keep tensions high in the run-up to his slated retirement towards November end," said a source.

"Gen Sharif may be angling for an extension as the Army chief or assuming some other important role despite his edgy equation with the Nawaz Sharif government. Since Thursday morning, there has been a sudden increase in firing by Pakistani forces both along the line of control (LoC) and international border (IB) in J&K," he added.

The firing has been particularly intense in the Sunderbani, Poonch, Bimber and Tangdhar areas along the LoC as well as the Kathua, Hiranagar and Samba regions of the IB. The cross-border exchanges have been largely restricted to 82-mm mortars and machine gun fire, except for an occasional use of 120-mm heavy mortars by the two sides. Artillery duels, which would mark a major escalation, have not been witnessed so far.

"The situation is not warlike. But it's certainly hot. Our forces have registered as many as 57 ceasefire violations by Pak forces since the Indian Army conducted surgical strikes against terror launch pads in Pakistan-Occupied-Kashmir a month ago on September 29," said another source. The creation of the empowered committees, which have already visited Russia and Israel, to fast-track acquisitions for artillery shells, rockets, missiles, tank ammunition and the like comes in the backdrop of the 1.3-million strong Army holding less than half of its authorised war wastage reserves (WWR) for 40 days of "intense fighting", as was reported earlier by TOI.

"Yes, the armed forces do not have enough WWR for even 20 days of a full-scale war. {why are these figures being leaked? Dafuq ....} But that does not mean they are not operationally ready. The empowered committees have been set up because it was seen that the normal capital procurement route was proving cumbersome and taking too long," said the source.

The Paschim Leher naval exercise, in turn, is a scaled up version of the earlier "Defence of Gujarat Exercise (DGX)" and geared towards tackling both conventional military as well as terror threats emanating from the sea. "The exercise, from November 2 to 14, of the Mumbai-based Western Naval Command will test operational readiness all along the west coast," said the source.

Bibhas · Post by **Bibhas** » 29 Oct 2016 23:14

JUST IN: 4 Paki posts destroyed in Keran Sector by IA. Major casualties inflicted.

sudhan · Post by **sudhan** » 29 Oct 2016 23:19

Aditya G wrote:Situation: Hot

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 124010.cms

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Amid Indo-Pak tension, Navy plans major drill
TNN | Oct 29, 2016, 03.25 AM IST

Amid Indo-Pak tension, Navy plans major drill

"Yes, the armed forces do not have enough WWR for even 20 days of a full-scale war. {why are these figures being leaked? Dafuq ....} But that does not mean they are not operationally ready. The empowered committees have been set up because it was seen that the normal capital procurement route was proving cumbersome and taking too long," said the source.

Must be deliberate misinformation, designed to invite the pork core kammandus to unleash strategic brilliance..

Not sure when the service chiefs were last granted emergency financial powers .. '99?

40 vessels bearing down on a moth eaten Pork navy.. if this doesnt cause spontaneous shalwar browning not sure what else will..

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 29 Oct 2016 23:27

Bibhas wrote:JUST IN: 4 Paki posts destroyed in Keran Sector by IA. Major casualties inflicted.

Keran is an Asterix spot for Pakiw. Like the Romans they get their ritual beating here every time the balloon goes up.

Amoghvarsha · Post by **Amoghvarsha** » 30 Oct 2016 00:44

Bibhas wrote:JUST IN: 4 Paki posts destroyed in Keran Sector by IA. Major casualties inflicted.

Maa Kali being offered Bali by her children.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 30 Oct 2016 01:26

Did not get an answer earlier...what is the reason we are able to destroy paki posts, but not the other way around. Just to be clear, I dont want any of our posts damaged or soldiers hurt. Both sides seem to use similar mortar, do we somehow have higher accuracy ?