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India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby jrjrao » 30 May 2017 05:05

A preemptive jhapad was delivered by the para commandos today. Details here:

Army targets Pak troops in Uri; 2 killed, 4 injured
http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/army-targ ... 4-injured/
Srinagar, May 29: In a major offensive Special Forces of Army today targeted Pakistani troops along the Line of Control (LoC) in Uri sector inflicting casualties on them and the attack led to the cancellation of weekly Srinagar-Muzaffarabad bus service.

Sources said that para-commandos of the Army took positions near the LoC on a hill overlooking Chakoti-Muzaffarabad road in Pakistan occupied Kashmir (PoK) and targeted a Pakistani troop convoy early in the morning.

Sources said that there were three vehicles in the convoy on Chakoti Muzaffarabad road and they were targeted by the para commandos inflicting casualties on them. They said that the attack led to the killing of two Pakistani troops and injuries to at least four of them.

They said that it was a pre-emptive move by the Army as Pakistani troops have been attempting Border Action Team (BAT) strikes in the area besides infiltrating militants.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sum » 30 May 2017 05:16

^^ So was a BAT team which was being transported to the border targetted? Which means few SSG were hallaled?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 30 May 2017 05:34

sum wrote:^^ So was a BAT team which was being transported to the border targetted? Which means few SSG were hallaled?


According to hammerhead on DFI it was 4 SSG and 1 JCO halaaled and 6 regulars injured.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Prem » 30 May 2017 09:53

Kashi wrote:
sum wrote:^^ So was a BAT team which was being transported to the border targetted? Which means few SSG were hallaled?


According to hammerhead on DFI it was 4 SSG and 1 JCO halaaled and 6 regulars injured.


Then the rumor of Shape Shifting LOC is likely to be true.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 30 May 2017 10:02

Prem wrote:Then the rumor of Shape Shifting LOC is likely to be true.


That's another set of rumours flying about that. Don't know what to make of them. Is there any substance to them or will they go the same away as those that claimed that we have variously halaaled Hafiz/Salauddin/Masood Azhar etc. in the last years surgical strikes.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sum » 30 May 2017 10:48

From a very good source. This source is as good as @hammer head. This news is not in public domain and is confidential. IA is capturing advantageous posts, which are at higher places pushing loc into POK.

This is what is posted in DFI.
So maybe stuff is really going down there and the long held BRF wet-dream of taking over the posts aiding Porki crossings is now slowly gaining fruition

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Philip » 30 May 2017 12:41

In the article which was found by many to be very negative (India can't win a war with Pak and China),the actions we've been conducting recently was described as "letting off steam". The author deliberated on the course of an unpredictable war with China and Pak,who had over the last few years been engaged in working out a joint strategy to counter India,should we embark upon a limited campaign.

Whatever the merits of the assessment,whether we can or not,there is ample scope for "letting off steam" in a manner that can punish and hurt the Pakis.
The first principle should be to exterminate as many Pakis as possible everyday,whenever the opportunity presents itself.Graded fire at Paki positions using whatever the IA has in its pocket,barring tactical missiles,should be used. "Shaping" the border to our advantage wherever possible also excellent stuff. The chief "wild boar" at Paki GHQ should realise that we too can show off our capability at pigsticking with aplomb.

The second principle is to take the gloves off with the pro-Paki conspirators and activists in J&K. For too long we've allowed them to use our jawans and paras as cannon fodder,targets for stone pelting,etc. The major who used such vermin as human shields truly deserves a gallantry award. The Israelis used huge armoured bulldozers in Gaza.We should adopt the same tactics.Bulldoze buildings from where terrorists fire at our forces,use paint bombs to "mark" protestors who can be rounded up later and pro-Paki entities like the Hurriyat,who receive money from Pak,arrested and incarcerated if the evidence is there.

Special anti-terror courts should be set up with fast trials and verdicts. J&K traitors should be exiled from the state,imprisoned in the A&N islands ,given long sentences that reflect the severity of their crimes.No more black cats guarding them and funding from the GOI. These parasites upon the nation should receive their just rewards.J&K troublemakers should be removed from the state forthwith and incarcerated in prisons outside their home state to serve their sentences. Habitual offenders,those with a record of serious crimes,should be exiled foirever from J&K.

The third principle is to build a series of settlements like the Israelis have done all over J&K ,esp. in the Valley,to rehouse the Kashmiri Pandits who have been displaced.
These settlements could be designed like encampments/cantonements also housing mil forces,with built in security features to counter any terrorist attacks which may happen. These settlements could be established at regular intervals,terrain permitting,so that each can come to the other's aid when required. Helipads,bunkers ,etc.,and basement shelters to be incorporated in each house/dwelling complex .These should have the required medical,school and recreational facilities for the inhabitants. We have to reassert the rights of every Kashmiri and the GOI in J&K and show no mercy towards the Pakis and their offshoots.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby rvishwakarm » 30 May 2017 15:09

Apart from KPs have some UP/Bihar guys there as well.
The Vegetable vendor in my locality(Mumbai) always say "Sir hum UP waloh ko jane do wahan rehne ke liye, 10 din mein sare pathhar inke g**nd me daal denge" [Sir let people from UP settle there, within 10 days, all the stones will be in their **s]


Philip wrote:The third principle is to build a series of settlements like the Israelis have done all over J&K ,esp. in the Valley,to rehouse the Kashmiri Pandits who have been displaced.[/b] These settlements could be designed like encampments/cantonements also housing mil forces,with built in security features to counter any terrorist attacks which may happen. These settlements could be established at regular intervals,terrain permitting,so that each can come to the other's aid when required. Helipads,bunkers ,etc.,and basement shelters to be incorporated in each house/dwelling complex .These should have the required medical,school and recreational facilities for the inhabitants. We have to reassert the rights of every Kashmiri and the GOI in J&K and show no mercy towards the Pakis and their offshoots.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby asgkhan » 30 May 2017 15:11

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/sabz ... 66097.html

HOW DID ARMY TRACK SABZAR
Security forces had tracked down Bhat's location using technical intelligence provided to the troops on ground by the Jammu and Kashmir police cells. These units have been successful in nailing a large number of terrorists in recent years.

After failing to establish contact with terrorists, the raiding team decided to "smoke out the rats" and called for fire tenders filled with petrol instead of water.

"Petrol was poured inside the first house using hose pipes and it was set on fire but the two did not react. The result in the second house was also the same. But when the troops poured in petrol in the third house around 8:15 am, the two ran out of the house and tried to breach the cordon," the sources said. Before Bhat could open fire, the troops fired a hail of bullets. Within a few seconds, the two "propagandist terrorists" were lying dead on the ground.

Both the terrorists were tracked by technical intelligence sleuths and killed in similar brief encounters. Sources said in Burhan's case too, the terrorist was trapped when the technical cells of Jammu and Kashmir police had followed a terrorist named Sartaj and did not know about Burhan's presence there.

However, in Sabzar's case, they were tracking him directly and were sure about his presence in the Tral area.
Sources said the recent crop of local terrorists is high on propaganda and try to conjure up a hero-like status by spreading their pictures on social media in full combat gear. "Little do they know that this act of theirs is of big help for security forces in identifying them and locating them," the sources said.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sudhan » 30 May 2017 18:45

Fire tenders filled with petrol.. Brilliant!
Now the pigs will make a mad scramble to grab some fireproof langots.. gotta protect them jewels for the 72

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karthik S » 30 May 2017 18:49

If you are going to set the house on fire, why not blast it down.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sudhan » 30 May 2017 18:53

^ Probably it was in a built up area.. explosion might have caused collateral damage..

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shiv » 30 May 2017 20:14

Karthik S wrote:If you are going to set the house on fire, why not blast it down.
I bet it was a psychological ploy. Burning sends a very good signal - to people who expect burial and houris. And of course there was the possibility of surrender.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shiv » 30 May 2017 20:17

sudhan wrote:Fire tenders filled with petrol.. Brilliant!
Now the pigs will make a mad scramble to grab some fireproof langots.. gotta protect them jewels for the 72

I believe that fire tender will now be donated to Karachi Fire Service

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gagan » 30 May 2017 22:44

It might have been a petrol tanker
The fire truck must have been around to prevent the fire from spreading to other houses

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gagan » 30 May 2017 22:48

Very nice project by the forces.
If they get burnt, no heaven and no hoors for them

The army is right about calling them propaganda terrorists. Squeeze them right - everyone from the OGWs, local politicians who give them cover, hawala guys and regularly bash up the Pakistanis across the LOC

If you have ever served in J&K, you would know this - these guys respect pure power. Pandering to them doesn't work, it is taken as a sign of weakness

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nirav » 30 May 2017 23:39

rvishwakarm wrote:Apart from KPs have some UP/Bihar guys there as well.
The Vegetable vendor in my locality(Mumbai) always say "Sir hum UP waloh ko jane do wahan rehne ke liye, 10 din mein sare pathhar inke g**nd me daal denge" [Sir let people from UP settle there, within 10 days, all the stones will be in their **s]


:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:
Spoken like a true UPite 8)

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Rahul M » 30 May 2017 23:43

retired mil/CPO people with gun licences should be encouraged to settle there. that's how the romans did it.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Sridhar K » 30 May 2017 23:50

One of an ex-BRFite (more lurker), whose parents and inlaws were in the higher echelons of the Intelligence fraternity once told me how the Govt of the day (UPA) was bribing the Hurrirats, NCP, PDP and other separatist to keep the violence off and how it has morphed into a thriving blackmail industry. Since VKS'' TSD was exposing these machinisation, he shunted out and TSD wound down.

Is the rise in decibel levels on Kashmir due to the Govt squeezing the blackmail industry?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nirav » 30 May 2017 23:57

Sridhar K wrote:One of an ex-BRFite (more lurker), whose parents and inlaws were in the higher echelons of the Intelligence fraternity once told me how the Govt of the day (UPA) was bribing the Hurrirats, NCP, PDP and other separatist to keep the violence off and how it has morphed into a thriving blackmail industry. Since VKS'' TSD was exposing these machinisation, he shunted out and TSD wound down.

Is the rise in decibel levels on Kashmir due to the Govt squeezing the blackmail industry?


I was watching a video of Maj.Gaurav Arya on YouTube.a tedx talk on the Kashmir situation..

He publically 'requested' the PM to stop funding the Hurriyat.

How do we determine if Hurriyat is being funded by us?
If goberment is paying,it must account for it and give the information via RTI.

I recall Ram Madhavs interview on NDTV with Shekar Gupta on NDTV,off the cuff ..

He clearly stated that we *are* doing many things in Kashmir which can't be publically disclosed.. atleast not as of now.. I hope they take a public stance on Hurriyat funding.
It's bad press and is causing actual blue on blue politically.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bheeshma » 31 May 2017 00:02

No more news on cross border strike-2 ? I hope we receive some good news in future about skardu base being taken out.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Khalsa » 31 May 2017 02:39

Kashi wrote:
sum wrote:^^ So was a BAT team which was being transported to the border targetted? Which means few SSG were hallaled?


According to hammerhead on DFI it was 4 SSG and 1 JCO halaaled and 6 regulars injured.


What is hammerhead and what is DFI ?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby partha » 31 May 2017 02:46

Rudradev wrote:Posting this here, not because I believe half of it, but just because I want to see what Shiv says to it :mrgreen:

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2017/05 ... an/138129/


Let’s Not Kid Ourselves, India Will Not Win a War Against Pakistan by Raghu Raman

Capt Raman comes across as a sensible person in his TED talks but this article just reads like a copy paste from ISPR material. He could have as well mentioned 1 Muslim = 10 Hindus as one of the reasons why India can't win.

Chanikian spin: is this part of Indian propaganda to give a false sense of confidence to Pakistan army forcing them into committing a Kargil type blunder? What else could explain this idiotic article? We know Modi Govt is preparing for a short term war..

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 31 May 2017 02:47

Bheeshma wrote:No more news on cross border strike-2 ? I hope we receive some good news in future about skardu base being taken out.


No smoke without fire!

http://pakobserver.net/4-injured-ied-ex ... e-control/

ur Correspondent

Jhelum Valley

At least four people were injured in a blast after their vehicle ran over an improvised explosive device along the Line of Control (LoC) in Azad Jammu and Kashmir late on Sunday night, an official said on Monday.

The public transport vehicle was passing through Khilana area to drop passengers from Rawalpindi when the IED went off at about 9:30pm, according to deputy commissioner Jhelum Valley Abdul Hamid Kiani.

Located in Chakothi sector of Jhelum Valley district, Khilana area straddles the restive LoC and is vulnerable to a number of Indian army posts.

“While heading towards his last destination, the driver spotted rocks in the middle of the narrow road and as he tried to pass his vehicle from the edge of the road it hit and triggered an IED explosion,” Kiani said.

As a result, the driver and three passengers were injured, he added.

The injured persons were identified as driver Iram Abbas (a resident of Muzaffarabad), Mukhtiar Ahmed, Changaz Latif and Rehmat Hussain (residents of Khilana area).

They were shifted to a Muzaffarabad hospital and were said to be out of danger.

The DC said that since one of the Indian posts was located just across the site of the blast, the administration and army avoided search and sweep operation for fear of another blast, which did occur later at 10:30pm, a few yards away from the site of the first blast. :mrgreen:

He recalled that some two months ago, a similar blast had left some three people wounded in that area.

Also around the same time, a local resident was blown up while trying to prepare an explosive device in the upper storey of his house, Kiani said
:rotfl:

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sum » 31 May 2017 04:37

Khalsa wrote:
Kashi wrote:
According to hammerhead on DFI it was 4 SSG and 1 JCO halaaled and 6 regulars injured.


What is hammerhead and what is DFI ?

DFI is defenceforumindia website and Hammerhead seems to be a SF insider as he usually posts 100% accurate info on SF activities before the news is even mainstream

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Pathik » 31 May 2017 05:27

Gagan wrote:It might have been a petrol tanker
The fire truck must have been around to prevent the fire from spreading to other houses


True,its a risk for a non-inflammable liquid carrier to hold such a large quantity of petrol and with a power hose to go with it

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Khalsa » 31 May 2017 05:30

sum wrote:
Khalsa wrote:
What is hammerhead and what is DFI ?

DFI is defenceforumindia website and Hammerhead seems to be a SF insider as he usually posts 100% accurate info on SF activities before the news is even mainstream


^^ Thanks sum

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sum » 31 May 2017 13:19

The contours of Offensive defence. One can only imagine whats happening in the covert side. We will know in the years to come

Kashmir: India to keep pressure on Pakistan troops at the LoC


Bearing the brunt of attacks by Pakistani troops and the terrorist groups backed by them on the Line of Control, India has now adopted an "aggressive stance" and taking the war to the enemy's positions.

Senior Army sources told Mail Today that pre-emptive strikes are being carried out against Pakistani positions which may be readying themselves for carrying out attacks on Indian positions or trying to do a BAT action.

"Earlier, only our troops were on the vigil and on alert against any attack or personal assault against troops. Now, we are also taking the fight to them as we have started launching direct attacks on their posts and gun positions," the sources said.


The sources were discussing the recently-released video where Pakistani posts near Naushera sector were razed down with the use of antitank guided missiles and 105 mm artillery fire.


The sources were discussing the recently-released video where Pakistani posts near Naushera sector were razed down with the use of antitank guided missiles and 105 mm artillery fire.

NEW POLICY

After the ceasefire between India and Pakistan came into effect in 2003, Pakistan Army has been relatively in an advantageous position as they were engaged occasionally in attacking Indian posts or fire at them to push infiltrators whereas the role of Indian forces have largely been maintaining a high vigil round the clock against the possibility such actions by them.

This keeps Indian troops under constant pressure. However, under the new policy, India will be in a position to keep the enemy troops under a similar stress situation.

The sources said India has beefed up its troops' positions both in the Kashmir valley as well as on the Line of Control while strengthening the three tier counter infiltration grid there.

"Close to 4,000 troops belonging to the Rashtriya Rifles battalions and regular Army units have been moved on the LoC and Valley in places like Uri and Tangdhar from where infiltration attempts can be attempted by the Pakistan Army," the sources said.

"We are maintaining a vigil on their activities and the moment we see a marginal increase in their strength at a post or attempts by them to move close towards our positions, we are striking at them," sources said.

In one such incident, a Pakistan Special Forces operative was evacuated out of a Pakistani post and shifted to a medical facility where he died after getting injured in punitive Indian fire assault.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 31 May 2017 13:35

This is a start but still tactical i.e. Strike (largely fire assaults) on a post which is building up to launch. We need to move to the strategic level , launch attacks with troops in contact and with arty and if possible by choppers on a regular basis in a highly unpredictable way so that we completely wrest initiative. They have held the initiative for so long and tied huge numbers of troops down in not only the lc but also the hinterland.

We have to completely wrest the initiative and have them reacting to us, getting significant casualties , their costs escalating as more of their troops are tied down to prevent our attacks and fissures coming up between the so called regular army and their terrorist cannon fodder.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ArjunPandit » 31 May 2017 21:16

Akshay Kapoor wrote:This is a start but still tactical i.e. Strike (largely fire assaults) on a post which is building up to launch. We need to move to the strategic level , launch attacks with troops in contact and with arty and if possible by choppers on a regular basis in a highly unpredictable way so that we completely wrest initiative. They have held the initiative for so long and tied huge numbers of troops down in not only the lc but also the hinterland.

We have to completely wrest the initiative and have them reacting to us, getting significant casualties , their costs escalating as more of their troops are tied down to prevent our attacks and fissures coming up between the so called regular army and their terrorist cannon fodder.

It will get very hot before it gets colds. We all should be prepared for our MSM to refer this as mindless violence and hindrances to long term peace, lack of generosity. I think this is where vajpayee lost it, he did not follow it with his generosity arising out of old age. After '71, '90s terrorism, '99 backstab and the bloodshed till 03, and the recent periods if we believe in peace there is no bigger fool nation on earth than us. Every single life of our nation should be dedicated to the destruction of pakistan so that our future generations can peacefully focus on development and whatever they want to.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby A Deshmukh » 31 May 2017 21:37

We get squeamish and start dhoti shiver when we loose few soldiers.
Compare this:
Modi is in Leningrad. Russia lost 500,000 soldiers defending this city in WW2.
We are in a 1000 yr civilisational war. We will push them back.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gagan » 31 May 2017 22:57

Armed UAVs will likely be the next thing up the escalation ladder. They should be able to take out such targets in the vicinity of the LOC, keep track of where their camps are and take them out without any warning

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 01 Jun 2017 01:45

You don't need UAVs if men can do need the job!

Indian Army kills five Pakistani soldiers in LoC strike

The offensive on the Pakistani soldiers was conducted along the Line of Control in the Muzaffarabad sector by the Indian Army’s Para (special forces)

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A file photo. The offensive was conducted along the Line of Control in the Muzaffarabad sector by the Army’s Para (special forces). Photo: HT

New Delhi: The Indian Army’s special forces in Kashmir on Wednesday eliminated a Pakistani Border Action Team (BAT) of five enemy soldiers, a government official said.

The offensive was conducted along the Line of Control in the Muzaffarabad sector by the Army’s Para (special forces), the official said on condition of anonymity. BAT is a special Pakistani army unit conducting cross-border operations.

General Bipin Rawat has given the go-ahead to the Para (SF) to conduct a search and elimination operation of BAT teams of Pakistan. Heightened low-grade warfare is likely to take place this summer,” a government official said on condition of anonymity.

On 1 May, BAT raided the Krishna Ghati sector at the border, killing and mutilitating two Indian soldiers. Following this, the Indian Army on 22 May launched a series of punitive assaults on Pakistan bunkers, and released a video documenting another set of assaults on Pakistan bunkers in the Naushera sector. The government official quoted above said assaults will continue through summer.

“The army will be targeting bunkers. We will not wait for more of our men to die along the border or for more soldiers to be mutilated by Pakistan before we take action,” the official added.

While the Army did not officially clarify this, it stated that assaults were part of a “routine exercise.”

“These are routine things. They keep happening. Things have not escalated because it’s part of a routine exercise,” Army spokesperson Ashok Narula said.

While the Army revived cordon and search operations (CASO) in Shopian in Kashmir to flush out terrorists from the Valley, after a gap of 15 years, a defence official said the “army was going back to its methodology of the 1990s, with a more sophisticated approach.”

While General Rawat on Sunday asserted that the Indian Army was fighting a “dirty war” in Kashmir, referring to stone-pelters attacking troops, defence minister Arun Jaitley on 24 May gave the Army full authority to carry out operations in Kashmir as they deemed fit

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SBajwa » 01 Jun 2017 02:14

by Gagan
Very nice project by the forces.
If they get burnt, no heaven and no hoors for them


The local panwala tells me that some Pork fat was acquired and mixed in the petrol. This is the SOP now!! Smoke them out with fire and pork fat.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gagan » 01 Jun 2017 06:00

Aditya G wrote:You don't need UAVs if men can do need the job!

Indian Army kills five Pakistani soldiers in LoC strike

If I am not mistaken, this was across a stream (which ends up in the Jhelum up north), very close to Uri. The stream forms the LOC, the Para SF guys were on this side of the LOC, and the Pakistani trucks were transporting their BAT team on the road on the other side of the stream.

The pakis were asking for it :lol:

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gagan » 01 Jun 2017 06:04

The pakistanis only want to BAT.
When India does the BATting, the pakistanis' fielding is very sloppy, and they are dropping all the catches

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karan M » 01 Jun 2017 07:06

This was long overdue, and just testifies to how badly the IA was coerced by previous political establishments into playing by some fake gentlemanly rules. The BAT teams should be hunted down & any indication of any infiltration attempt should be attacked.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bheeshma » 01 Jun 2017 07:13

Nice.. Dil mange more!!!! How I wish they could post pics of the dead vermins and their eunuch SSG. Anyway keep u the good work IA.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gagan » 01 Jun 2017 07:15

New Delhi needs to internalize this:
There is NO POLITICAL SOLUTION to J&K. The solution is only military.
If India wants to solve it, then offensive action will be needed.
Until that military action is taken, a strong position needs to be taken across the LOC and within at all times, because Pakistan will continue to undermine India's security in J&K

Ultimately a solution to the Pakistan problem is a must. As they say, all is fair in love and not love

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Sanju » 01 Jun 2017 07:39

First military followed by repealing 370 and then settling a whole bunch of Indians across the cross section of society. Do away with that piece of legislation that only Kashmiris can own land in Kashmir.

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