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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby partha » 03 Apr 2019 00:53

https://tribune.com.pk/story/1942317/1-qureshi-asks-washington-help-resume-dialogue-india/
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood has urged the United States to play its role for resumption of dialogue between Pakistan and India such that all outstanding disputes could be resolved.

The demand was made during a telephonic conversation between Qureshi and his US counterpart Mike Pompeo, said a statement issued by the Foreign Office on Tuesday.

Relations between the nuclear-armed rivals are tense since the attack in occupied Kashmir which killed over 40 Indian paramilitaries.
The foreign minister informed the US foreign secretary about the de-escalatory measures taken by Pakistan including the handing over of captured Indian pilot Abhinandan Varthaman.

US special envoy arrives in Islamabad on two-day visit on April 4

Both the leaders exchanged views on the current situation in the region, as well as discussed bilateral issues.

“Both sides agreed that de-escalation was important for peace and stability in South Asia,” the communique read.

Qureshi said bilateral relations between Pakistan and the US carried special significance for peace and stability in the region. The US role for de-escalation in the region was laudable, he added.

After reaching out to China to help de-escalate, Pakistan is now begging US to help de-escalate tensions with India. There is definitely something big happening along LoC. Babaji may turn out to be right!

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ArjunPandit » 03 Apr 2019 01:05

Pakistan of today reminds me of India of MMS time. It's fun watching things turn this way and being aware of it too.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ashishvikas » 03 Apr 2019 01:50

Report: 10 Pakistani soldiers dead in cross-border firing along Rakhchikri Sector of Rawalakot at LoC

https://twitter.com/DDNewsLive/status/1 ... 35009?s=19

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vips » 03 Apr 2019 18:30

partha wrote:https://tribune.com.pk/story/1942317/1-qureshi-asks-washington-help-resume-dialogue-india/
Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood has urged the United States to play its role for resumption of dialogue between Pakistan and India such that all outstanding disputes could be resolved.

The demand was made during a telephonic conversation between Qureshi and his US counterpart Mike Pompeo, said a statement issued by the Foreign Office on Tuesday.

Relations between the nuclear-armed rivals are tense since the attack in occupied Kashmir which killed over 40 Indian paramilitaries.
The foreign minister informed the US foreign secretary about the de-escalatory measures taken by Pakistan including the handing over of captured Indian pilot Abhinandan Varthaman.

US special envoy arrives in Islamabad on two-day visit on April 4

Both the leaders exchanged views on the current situation in the region, as well as discussed bilateral issues.

“Both sides agreed that de-escalation was important for peace and stability in South Asia,” the communique read.

Qureshi said bilateral relations between Pakistan and the US carried special significance for peace and stability in the region. The US role for de-escalation in the region was laudable, he added.

After reaching out to China to help de-escalate, Pakistan is now begging US to help de-escalate tensions with India. There is definitely something big happening along LoC. Babaji may turn out to be right!


You SDRE yindoo who says Pakis beg? Check the report (in paki paper) it says a 'demand was made to USA to play its role for resumption of dialogue with india. :rotfl:

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby manoj_niketa » 03 Apr 2019 21:12

https://www.google.ca/maps/@31.0686946, ... !1e3?hl=en

I just read on twitter that, this area got Indian name plate?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 03 Apr 2019 22:24

The rumor on twitter relates to this

https://goo.gl/maps/LyXpSDYjtv22

But twitters rumors must be taken with bucketfull of salt

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby vipins » 03 Apr 2019 22:26

J&K: Civilian movement to remain closed every Sunday & Wednesday from 4 AM*-5 PM on the NH from Baramulla through Srinagar, Qazigund, Jawahar-Tunnel, Banihal & Ramban till Udhampur. This measure will remain in effect till 31 May, 2019.
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby jamwal » 03 Apr 2019 22:28

Just take a look at number of houses and guess how many people live in this bulge. How it is possible to hide capture of such a large area with so many civilians by either side ?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Singha » 03 Apr 2019 23:06

earlier they could launch a mass casualty attack and walk away
1- india would do nothing
2- india would do a bit of shelling on border
3- dossier
4- diplomatic "offensive" to "isolate pak" as congis used to say

this time to their horror they find india is sticking with them and not letting them disengage and slip away giggling, DESPITE all the support given by sections of MSM and Oppn parties and SM propagandu machine , bestern analcysts, turkiye, cheen... all these cards are played out now.

and not only that, india is proactively prodding and pinpricking them daily rather than let it be.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby UlanBatori » 03 Apr 2019 23:22

What happens I wonder if a small detachment with armor and ATGMs and some artillery, crosses LOC and parks there. Like "Bridge Too Far" but with good air cover and plenty of missiles, and constant re-supply but no immediate effort to "break out" and expand the pocket. Will they bring in PAF? Or shell their own village to dust? Will they throw a battalion in?
I no longer think this is "unthinkable" as in "immediate escalation to Nukular War".
IMO Pak won't announce it, India won't admit it. Which may be exactly what has happened. The new "10 Pakis killed" sounds like what happened when Pakis tried counter-attack.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby JTull » 03 Apr 2019 23:36

Singha wrote:earlier they could launch a mass casualty attack and walk away
1- india would do nothing
2- india would do a bit of shelling on border
3- dossier
4- diplomatic "offensive" to "isolate pak" as congis used to say

this time to their horror they find india is sticking with them and not letting them disengage and slip away giggling, DESPITE all the support given by sections of MSM and Oppn parties and SM propagandu machine , bestern analcysts, turkiye, cheen... all these cards are played out now.

and not only that, india is proactively prodding and pinpricking them daily rather than let it be.


+108

The whole of LOC is a "terror launchpad". And whole of PoK is Indian. No need to let them get away giggling this time.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby mmasand » 03 Apr 2019 23:38

jamwal wrote:Just take a look at number of houses and guess how many people live in this bulge. How it is possible to hide capture of such a large area with so many civilians by either side ?


Speculation is rife across SM about the chicken's neck, I don't find it plausible considering this is the IB. I doubt the IA would transgress w/o political approval the govt of the day. This would amount to an act of war?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 04 Apr 2019 00:21

Dont waste time with such rumours and fake news handles

mmasand wrote:
jamwal wrote:Just take a look at number of houses and guess how many people live in this bulge. How it is possible to hide capture of such a large area with so many civilians by either side ?


Speculation is rife across SM about the chicken's neck, I don't find it plausible considering this is the IB. I doubt the IA would transgress w/o political approval the govt of the day. This would amount to an act of war?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby jamwal » 04 Apr 2019 00:24

UlanBatori wrote:What happens I wonder if a small detachment with armor and ATGMs and some artillery, crosses LOC and parks there. Like "Bridge Too Far" but with good air cover and plenty of missiles, and constant re-supply but no immediate effort to "break out" and expand the pocket. Will they bring in PAF? Or shell their own village to dust? Will they throw a battalion in?
I no longer think this is "unthinkable" as in "immediate escalation to Nukular War".
IMO Pak won't announce it, India won't admit it. Which may be exactly what has happened. The new "10 Pakis killed" sounds like what happened when Pakis tried counter-attack.



Seems more like a video game strategy than a sound battleplan.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby V_Raman » 04 Apr 2019 00:40

India will not stop until Masood Azhar is declared a terrorist by UN is what I think.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby jamwal » 04 Apr 2019 00:42

Even if he is declared a terrorist by UN, then what ?
More Nehru World-Kya-kahega syndrome ?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Rudradev » 04 Apr 2019 03:43

The point is this.

For many years, the discourse overseas was that India and Pakistan are morally equivalent, Kashmir is disputed "majority Muslim" territory governed by "Hindu Majority" India, etc. etc. In the 1990s the US and its allies (in a unipolar world) used this sort of equivocation and moral posturing to bring all kinds of pressure against India on Kashmir.

After 9/11 that reduced somewhat, but there was still a lot of pressure from the US not to retaliate against any Pakistani terrorist attack, because it would have upset their Afghan war designs. The fear in New Delhi was that the West could still use moral posturing and virtue signaling on behalf of "Kashmiri self-determination" to intervene against us if we actually took retaliatory action against Pakistan.

In today's world, after Paris/other European Attacks, Syrian refugee troubles, and general disruption of previously-dominant globalist networks (thanks to Trump election, Brexit, etc.) there is much less appetite in the West for virtue signaling or posturing on behalf of Islam. At the same time India has grown into the 6th-largest economy in the world, and there is great reluctance to push us around. This was a window that Modi saw open and swiftly moved into.

This is the time to get the UN (especially Western nations) on record saying that the prime movers of Pakistani terrorism against India are, in fact, officially designated terrorists. Hafiz Saeed and Dawood Ibrahim have already been declared so. Now Masood Azhar will likely also be similarly designated (it is becoming progressively harder for China to shield him, as witnessed by Pompeo's recent remarks about China's hypocrisy in this matter).

Once we have the UN (especially UNSC P5) on record saying that these people are international terrorists, we cannot be censured or sanctioned for taking pro-active, unilateral measures against them and all the apparatus that supports them-- at any time in the future. Anybody protests or objects, we will shove their official words back at them. It is a useful thing to have in the diplomatic bank account.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Nikhil T » 04 Apr 2019 06:30

V_Raman wrote:India will not stop until Masood Azhar is declared a terrorist by UN is what I think.


It's more like India will not begin acting until Masood Azhar is declared a terrorist.

We shouldn't make a UNSC resolution such a big deal because:
1. It's not like the countries that are funding these pigs do it via a bank draft at a ceremony. They do so clandestinely. So, a resolution drawn up in distant NYC doesn't mean anything to their funding. Everyone knows squat nothing happened to Dawood/Hafiz Saeed and their protection even after UNSC resolutions were passed against them.
2. That these pigs are terrorists is already accepted by most of the countries that actually matter (i.e.. P5 - China), since they have already placed them on their individual ban lists.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 05 Apr 2019 01:17

https://www.satp.org/second-sight-volume-1-no-31

Tactical Assertiveness and Strategic Purpose

The latest India-Pakistan crisis seems to have dropped of the public gaze as escalation concerns have subsided, but this has happened even as an unabated war by other means has continued on the Line of Control (LoC) and to a lesser extent along the International Border (IB). According to partial data on the South Asia Terrorism Portal (SATP), since Balakot and the subsequent Pakistani response in 79 incidents of ceasefire violations until March 29, 2019, including the raid by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF), 17 casualties (2 killed and 15 injured) have been inflicted on Security Forces, while 14 casualties (5 killed and 9 injured) have been inflicted on civilians on the Indian side. Till March 29, 2019, 135 violations have taken place.

Official data indicates a yearly uptick in ceasefire violations from 2016, when 449 violations took place, with 971 violations in 2017 and 1962 violations until November 30, 2018. Corresponding fatalities suffered by security forces are 13 killed in 2016, 19 killed in 2017 and 24 killed until July 31, 2018. Civilian fatalities stand at 13 in 2016, 12 in 2017, and 28 killed untill July 31, 2018. The current violence has largely been concentrated along certain areas of the LoC, particularly Rajouri and Poonch Districts. It is however not unusual for the two militaries two exact retribution from each other after a major incident, but this dynamic is now complicated with the emergence of new tactics and capabilities. A slew of acquisitions in the pipeline however suggest that India may be pushing to achieve escalation dominance along the border. This could potentially transform into an overt punitive option at lower levels of the escalation ladder.

An evident trend is the increase in use of sniper tactics. After the ‘surgical strikes’, sniper units have been permanently attached with Pakistan military units. According to SATP,

4 incidents of sniping along the LoC and IB occurred in 2015;
5 in 2016;
4 in 2017;
11 in 2018;
and 4 such incidents already occurred in 2019, till March 26.

29 casualties (15 killed and 14 injured) have been inflicted in these 28 incidents of sniper firing, with almost one casualty per incident.

There is tremendous psychological advantage that military units derive simply by communicating the presence of snipers, degrading the adversary’s tactical movement and logistical functions and morale. Since the Indian side of the border is manned in a counter-infiltration mode and often visited by officers, it offers ample and high value targets for such tactics. Pakistan uses the latest precision sniper rifles, including the US-made Remington models with an effective range of 1200-1,500 meters, compared to India’s Russian origin Dragunov sniper rifles, with an effective range of 800 meters. Dragunov rifles are also incompatible with several modern zooming and sighting systems. In a game of margins, even a slight advantage in lethality impacts operational capabilities.

A second facet has been the introduction of higher calibre weapons by Pakistan that marks a definite escalatory trend. From the initial use of 81mm infantry mortar, firing graduated to 105 mm artillery, and finally to 130 mm artillery, with their greater range and destructive capacities. In response, India has targeted Pakistani positions with the 155mm calibre Bofors guns.

Even as India has always sustained proportional retaliation on the LoC and IB, acquisition trends indicate a quest for total tactical dominance. The procurement of 5,719 sniper rifles, including Barrett's .50-calibre M95 and Beretta's .338 Lapua Magnum Scorpio TGT, of which some have already been inducted for the frontline forces, both with an effective range beyond 1,500 meters, with the former having the ability to penetrate concrete and metal, have the potential to significantly shift the balance.

In addition, India is now starting to conjure up a serious artillery profile. This includes the imported K-9 Vajra-T (Self Propelled Howitzer); M-777 ultra-light Howitzer, and the indigenous 155 mm/45 calibre Dhanush Howitzer. The indigenous Dhanush, which is still to be inducted, is highly accurate, has better maintenance and a self-propulsion unit allowing better mobility for the hilly terrain. More importantly it has a higher range than any towed gun or howitzer artillery gun in Pakistan’s repertoire. On the other hand, the M-777 can be ferried quickly by newly inducted heavy lift Chinook helicopters. To add to this arsenal, induction ofthe indigenous Multi Barrel Rocket Launcher (MBRL) Guided Pinaka II, which can take out targets at more than a 70 to 90 kilometer range with a fairly-low Circular Error Probability (CEP), is also on the anvil.

Without going into further specifics of these weapons systems, it is obvious that the induction of this new equipment in strong numbers will augment the current counter-infiltration stance of the Indian security forces. The range of some of these weapon systems is also good enough to take out terrorist infrastructure deep within Pakistan held territory. Artillery duels and sniper fire are already the new normal at the border. However, India’s edge in both quantity and quality would create an effective punitive option.

Crucially, after the Pulwama/Balakot crises, the political necessity of an overt punitive option without risking fighter jets and pilots would be most appealing. It is significant that there was heavy calibration in the ‘surgical strikes’ in 2016 as well as the Balakot air strikes and in both cases ‘non-military’ targets were attacked. This, however, is not the case at the border, where both militaries routinely target each other. The meat-grinding at the border has hitherto served no political objective, and has had no impact on Pakistan using terrorism and terrorists as expendable assets. However, tactical dominance could serve a strategic purpose, particularly as the repeated use of air-strikes will have diminishing returns, especially for want of lucrative terrorist targets away from civilian areas, when the next crisis-point arrives. Soldiers unlike militants are not expendable assets; such tactics, consequently, would have punitive value, though, in the longer term, this could also move the source of escalation between India and Pakistan from major terror incidents to the border itself.

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These are some points which are worthy of a closer look;

1. India is developing arty, especially rocket arty as a palatable option for punitive strikes. IMHO this is going to be the next surgical strikes.

2. Air strikes, or strategic strikes have a diminishing return.

3. How does the fighting on LoC help India? Is it in our interest to revert to 2003 - 2013 ceasefire state?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vips » 16 Apr 2019 04:03

Army to deploy fleet of hovercraft along Pakistan border at Rann of Kutch.

Army Chief General Bipin Rawat said on Monday that Army will deploy a fleet of hovercrafts at Rann of Kutch for guarding the international border with
Pakistan.The Army Chief said that the "training" and "operation" of the hovercrafts would be done by the Army in coordination with the Coast Guard which have experience in operating it.

"They are being based on the western coast in the Rann of Kutch," said Rawat when asked about the deployment of hovercrafts. The Army Chief was talking to ANI here after inducting the Coast Guard ship "Veera" into the maritime force took after the security of the eastern coast.

The India Coast Guard and the Army were cleared to buy around 12 hovercrafts for surveillance in marshy and marine areas in the Gujarat border.
"The Indian Coast Guard has been carrying out its task in a very professional manner and they have been continuously upgrading their
effort. Today I am very happy that Indian coast guard ship Veera has been commissioned and it will add to the coast guard strength and
help them monitor the coastline of the country more effectively," said General Rawat.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sudhan » 16 Apr 2019 19:36

There is a NOTAM active for Karachi: From 17-Apr 0200 till 18-Apr 1400

Possible anti aircraft exercises.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vips » 16 Apr 2019 19:39

Foiling Pakistan Army's BAT actions almost daily: Top Army sources.

Amid high tensions, the Indian Army is foiling Pakistan Army's BAT actions almost every day along the Line of Control (LoC) and even taking pre-emptive actions against the Pakistani positions trying to help terrorists in their infiltration attempts, sources said on Tuesday.

"If you look at the intelligence inputs, every day there are reports about attempts by Pakistan Army border action teams (BAT) to target our posts all along the LoC. We are taking all possible steps to thwart their actions," top Army sources told ANI.

In an attempt to thwart the Pakistani actions, the Indian Army posts on the LoC are taking action against any movement from Pakistan's side towards the fence on the LoC, sources said.

The Pakistanis are now encouraging terrorists and their BAT teams to carry out their actions in civilian attire and avoiding combat fatigues, sources mentioned.

The BAT teams of the Pakistan Army include both regular Army personnel and terrorists from groups such as Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) and Lashkar-e-Taiba (LeT) and are tasked to carry out surprise hits on Indian positions along the LoC.

Sources said Pakistani forces have been trying to violate ceasefire in almost all sectors after the Balakot airstrikes by the Indian Air Force on February 26 but their attempts have been foiled.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ramana » 17 Apr 2019 22:53

I think we should look at open source information on Paki bunkers around LOC.

Something doesn't gel.
They need a direct hit to demolish them.
That means those guided Krasnopol shells would have come handy if only IA had allowed the mfg to be set up like China did.
Or had the DRDO reverse engineer them instead of sneering at their technical capability.
In the last 15 years something useful would have been worked out.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vips » 19 Apr 2019 07:08

Pakistan used heavy artillery 74 times to attack Indian Army positions in March.

There have been 74 instances of ‘calibre escalation’ through the use of heavy artillery and mortars by the Pakistan Army on Indian Army positions and civilian areas along the Line of Control in March.

The development came to light in an internal army report, whose details have been shared with ET. There have been 267 instances of ceasefire violations last month as well, making it the highest this year.

Pakistan has also taken precautionary steps near the Line of Control (LoC) by moving their reserve formations forward, according to the report. In fact, a few days after the February 14 Pulwama terrorist attack in which 40 Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) troops were killed, Pakistan in expectation of a major retaliation by Indian forces had mobilised its troops along the border with India.

On the Kashmir front, the situation appears to have improved following a decline in civilian protests, stone pelting incidents and recruitment of locals into terrorist ranks. There were 17 stone pelting incidents in March, 16 in February and 20 in January. There have also been only 18 locals recruited into terrorism upto March this year, as compared to 32 and 23 during the corresponding months last year and in 2017.

Meanwhile, officials explained that the 74 instances of calibre escalation by the Pakistan Army includes the use of most of the artillery guns in its inventory. This includes 105mm, 130mm and 155mm artillery guns.

Last month, the army had stated that their Pakistani counterparts had targeted Indian posts and civilian areas with mortar bombs and heavy artillery guns. The army has been retaliating in equal measure. Earlier this month as well, the army claimed to have hit terrorist launch pads in Nikial, Rakhchakri, Kotli and Bhimber in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. These areas are notorious for Border Action Team (BAT)-comprising Pakistani Special Service Group commandos and terrorists- attacks against Indian Army posts and patrols across the LoC.

The army believed that Pakistan will attempt to carry out attacks through not just BAT, but sniping, planting of improvised explosive devices (IEDs) near Indian patrols as well, and also use infrastructure against it, explained officials. So it dominated the LoC by fire assaults to ensure that the Pakistan forces doesn’t resort to these measures.

Since the Pulwama attack, the ceasefire violations between the armies of the two countries has increased. It became high on February 26 when the Indian Air Force carried out air strikes on a terrorist facility in Balakot, Pakistan and on the next day as well when the Pakistan Air Force retaliated made a failed attempt to target Indian military installations in J&K. While the ceasefire violations numbered 267 in March, they were at 215 in February and 203 in January.

Meanwhile, data compiled from August last year shows stone pelting incidents in J&K have reduced. It was 66 in August, 38 in September, 55 in October, 41 in November, 37 in December, as compared to 17 last month. “Local recruitment has also been restricted only to South Kashmir,” said an official.

There have been six local terrorist recruitments in March, seven in February and five in January. All this comes in the backdrop of the security forces going all out to target the Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) terrorist group, which claimed responsibility for the Pulwama attack.About 68 terrorists have been killed until April this year, including 27 from the JeM.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 19 Apr 2019 14:30

So confirmation that we have been pounding Pak with 155MM... the true weapon of peace on LoC.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Apr 2019 14:41

nam wrote:So confirmation that we have been pounding Pak with 155MM... the true weapon of peace on LoC.


The weapons which identify, destroy ammo, weapons and equipment and give 72 PA staff are the true peacemakers on the LOC. But falls on deaf years of many in India.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 20 Apr 2019 02:20

Terror launch pads hit - this time by Arty;

Vips wrote:Pakistan used heavy artillery 74 times to attack Indian Army positions in March....... Earlier this month as well, the army claimed to have hit terrorist launch pads in Nikial, Rakhchakri, Kotli and Bhimber in Pakistan Occupied Kashmir. These areas are notorious for Border Action Team (BAT)-comprising Pakistani Special Service Group commandos and terrorists- attacks against Indian Army posts and patrols across the LoC......


I do want to ask the question though - how does the continued LoC war help us in the larger scheme of things? Is it better to revert back to peace times of 2003 - 2008?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby mmasand » 20 Apr 2019 03:09

The economic cost of keeping the border hot is something cannot be sustained by TSP. Imposing a rent for merely occupying their BoP's is something that will lead to a breakdown in relationship between Dimmi and his master Bajwa + friends.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vips » 20 Apr 2019 03:47

How trade in California almonds through LoC funded terror in J&K.

California almonds, known worldwide for their high nutritional value, are being used in cross-LoC trade as a mode to earn profits which are funnelled to terrorists and separatists in Jammu and Kashmir, officials said on Friday.

India had on Thursday indefinitely suspended cross-LoC trade at two points along the Line of Control effective from Friday, following reports that it was being “misused” by elements from across the border to smuggle weapons, narcotics and fake currency.

The almonds produced in California in the US have been regularly finding their way through LoC trade involving a large transport network.

According to the modus operandi, Pakistani traders under-invoice products like California almonds. After receiving the consignment, traders on the Indian side sell California almonds at the prevailing market price and make extra and undue profit due to the under-invoicing, a security official said. The extra money generated is handed over by the traders to terrorists, separatists or anti-national elements in the Kashmir valley to fuel anti-India activities, the official said.

It has also come to the notice of security agencies that a significant number of trading concerns engaged in cross-LoC trade are being operated by persons closely associated with banned terrorist organisations, specially the Hizbul Mujahideen.
Some Indian nationals who have crossed over to Pakistan and joined militant organisations have opened trading firms in the neighbouring country. As a result, many Pakistan-based trading firms under the control of militant organisations are trading with firms operated by their relatives in the Indian side.


The cross-LoC trade is also being used as a regular channel for funnelling drugs such as cocaine, brown sugar and heroine into the Kashmir valley, adversely impacting the youth and converting many into addicts, the official said. In a recent example, 66.5 kg heroine was seized from a valley-based consignee and it was found that the drugs came through the cross-LoC trade.

The trade is being exploited for periodically smuggling arms and ammunition into the valley. Numerous seizures have been made of pistols, grenades, spares and ammunition.

Recently, a large cache that was concealed in a consignment of bananas was seized from the driver of a cross-LoC vehicle from Kulgam, another official said.

Trade across Chakan-Da-Bagh and Salamabad was intended as a confidence building measure for the population living in remote areas of Jammu and Kashmir and living across the LoC in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. However, third parties manipulated and misused it for trading goods being produced from outside Jammu and Kashmir.

Businessman Zahoo Ahmed Watali, who is currently in jail in terror funding cases, was the president of LoC traders association and he was allegedly found to be funnelling money to terrorists, separatists and subversive elements in the valley. The Enforcement Directorate has already attached his property worth crores of rupees and further investigations are on.

The National Investigation Agency has decoded the modus operandi of dubious hawala transactions for terror financing. Consignments of fake Indian currency notes have also been seized and over a dozen of people arrested.

“In the light of such large-scale misuse and loopholes being exploited for illegal and anti-national activities, Government of India has been compelled to suspend the LoC trade from Friday,” the official said. The government will revisit the issue of resuming the LoC trade after stricter measures and systems are put in place to address these issues.

Meanwhile, another report said that trading of 21 items like red chili, mangoes, herbs and dry fruits will be hit following the indefinite suspension of cross LoC trade in Jammu and Kashmir.

Around 280 traders, who were directly involved in the trading will also be affected after the suspension of the business, which has touched ₹6,900 crore since its inception in 2008.

The 21 items listed for the cross LoC trade include bananas, embroidery items, tamarind, red chili and cumin for exports while imports mainly were almonds, dry dates, dry fruits, herbs, mangoes and pistachio.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 20 Apr 2019 03:53

Aditya G wrote:I do want to ask the question though - how does the continued LoC war help us in the larger scheme of things? Is it better to revert back to peace times of 2003 - 2008?


No matter how many Let/JeM/ XYZ terror groups we kill, the only we get to punish the real puppet master i.e PA is on LoC.

Instead of just doing a caliber to caliber fight, we need to get good at carrying out standoff war from LoC.

Induct better sensor for detecting PA position, better weapon to target PA position. Better protection for our units to reduce casualities.
LoC is free for all. We can punish PA for decades, there is no "world crisis".

We are free to fire off 2000 155MM guns at once on LoC.. no one will say a word. Drop one 200KG bomb using IAF jet, it is "nuclear flashpoint"!

We cannot change PA behavior by wars like 1971. It is a decades of attrition warfare. We need to get better at it.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Nikhil T » 20 Apr 2019 06:13

^We must unleash Dhanush to provide a warm welcome to Raheel Sharif as he builds his new home.

Raheel Sharif allocated 90 acres land near India border

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby yensoy » 20 Apr 2019 08:05

Nikhil T wrote:^We must unleash Dhanush to provide a warm welcome to Raheel Sharif as he builds his new home.
Raheel Sharif allocated 90 acres land near India border


Is there any doubt that these worthies aren't the true successors of the Delhi sultanate? A big jagir worth about 9M$ given to the general, probably land stolen from displaced Hindus & Sikhs. We need to keep a tally of the amount of land that was lost by the partition displaced who migrated to India (whether in 1947 or recent), and extract an equal measure of land from the Pakis at the time of paki qayamat as settlement.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Guddu » 20 Apr 2019 08:17

Does the baki awam know of this largesse enjoyed by the paki army ?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 20 Apr 2019 08:43

Guddu wrote:Does the baki awam know of this largesse enjoyed by the paki army ?


They do and are fully supportive of it, publicly at least. Many of them wish to join the fauj exactly for these purposes.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 20 Apr 2019 11:54

Pakistan is a Jihadi state they will revolt if Paki miltary is weak. Please see how revolts by Pastuns in Miranshah Baluchistan have been put down. Thats why H&D is impotant and Pakis cant announce miltary losses against weak Kaffirs. Paki miltary takes what it wants

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Mahesh_R » 21 Apr 2019 03:33



I wonder how it went undetected for so many years ?
Simple question on why the hell are they selling the items for much cheaper than market price would have helped this track long back...

We have good resources still in took so many years to detect something of this magnitude... not a good indicator of the checks in place...

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2019 05:46

AdityaG, Status quo has not brought us peace only cold war.
The Pak bunkers need to be defeated. Direct fire hit from 155mm Dhanush will do the job. They have been tried out in trials.
These give cover to snipers, BATs, wombats etc.
Meantime using WLR with Dhanush in Counter battery mode will destroy the Pak artillery.
Need to change the status quo.

Then we can stop saying Om Shanti to all the brave soldiers being sacrificed to the Pak monster.

I have read lot of the literature from WWII, 1965 and 1971 on bunker defeat. Only direct hit with 100 lb shells does the job and takes 4 to 6 direct hits.

I wonder if guided Pinaka with its PCB warhead would do the job. Maybe needs a Electrical Optical seeker to hit point target.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby UlanBatori » 21 Apr 2019 07:24

I think LOC should be moved, using massive armored thrust if needed. Then the bunkers will be east of the LOC. Hopefully this is happening already. If they build new bunkers, move the line another 5km. Of course Jamwal will say that this is all hallucination and he may be right, but it is time to end this war. Peace. And that needs moving the LOC to the Durand Line. Once the tanks and air support are west of the bunkers I have a feeling that the collapse will not be long in coming.

Some way must be found, of getting behind the bunker line, with mobility into the hinterland.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2019 10:33

Exactly.. Need to end this.
Balakot style.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ramana » 21 Apr 2019 10:38

Now I understand those extensive trials of the Krasnopol shells. The shell does not have the energy to be guided precisely. Besides the blast is not enough. Needs 4 to 6 hits. Better to hit with a SAAW sized warhead.


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