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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nachiket » 10 Apr 2020 23:13

Report on the same, plus some extra unofficial video shared by someone on the ground of the artillery firing:
https://www.livefistdefence.com/2020/04 ... today.html

A week after a devastating infiltration encounter in north Kashmir’s Keran sector — an operation in which five Indian Special Forces men were killed in action while eliminating five infiltrators — drone footage shared with journalists today is said to depict a fierce Indian artillery bombardment of Pakistan Army gun positions and depots in the same sector. Sources familiar with the action said it took place on Friday afternoon.

“Precision targeting of terrorist launch pads, gun areas and ammunition dumps was carried out. There are reports of heavy damage on the Pakistani side. There was no casualty on our side,” the Army has said.

A clip of uncertain origin was tweeted earlier today by a KashmirLife journalist. Army sources who shared the drone video said the ground clip was of the same bombardment. The guns seen in the video appear to be the Army’s Bofors FH77 field howitzers.

The Keran sector in Kashmir’s northern Kupwara district has been a well-worn infiltration highway. In August last year, the Indian Army said it had eliminated four Pak Army SSG infiltrators in the sector. Today’s artillery action is likely part of the retaliatory cycle, with calibre upped as a direct result of last week’s encounter. Pakistan has filled the gaps between major infiltrators with a regular spate of ceasefire violations with small arms and mortars. The Indian Army hasn’t commented on damage to the Pakistan Army except to say that it is likely significant in areas.

Several locals in villages near the Line of Control have tweeted videos of the guns echoing through the formidable terrain that defines this hostile sector.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ArjunPandit » 10 Apr 2020 23:41

i think there is a change in routes..is it due to season..few years back handwara used to be the more common route..off late i see kupwara keran sector..is it seasonal or is it change in tactics?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 11 Apr 2020 09:13

Yes they will always probe for a weakness we should therefore always be targeting them. I would love a pic of convoy PA trucks with Ammo Ammo missiles blowing up. Loss of Artillery men, mortars etc bridges etc. Overall reduce their capability while increasing our capability. In the long run Pakistan will start losing the battle of attrition, it is clear they are not interested in peace.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Nihat » 11 Apr 2020 19:46

We seem to have settled on a strategy based on asymmetrical response and a war of attrition as a counter to their prolonged 'bleed by a thousand cuts' strategy.

My only hope remains that we show more and more as aptitude to escalate, including incremental use of air power, ground based incursions, land grabs and continued targeting of PA infrastructure and not just terror launchpad.

These rag rag infiltrators are highly disposable commodities and the only way to impose a cost is to start striking deep and heavy into POK.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 11 Apr 2020 21:24

IMO, these artillery skirmishes aren’t cutting it. Pakistan needs to lose land somewhere. Their cannon fodder is replaceable, land isn’t.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby krishna_krishna » 11 Apr 2020 21:27

Nihat wrote:We seem to have settled on a strategy based on asymmetrical response and a war of attrition as a counter to their prolonged 'bleed by a thousand cuts' strategy.

My only hope remains that we show more and more as aptitude to escalate, including incremental use of air power, ground based incursions, land grabs and continued targeting of PA infrastructure and not just terror launchpad.



This strategy works only if you start land grab, On April 9 IMF confirmed aid to be send to porkis next week of 1.4 billion USD in addition to 6 billion bailout package. This amount is not to be paid back like others, now add another 1.5 in aid from Asian development bank. Like hooker with many patrons they will survive, I now at time laugh when people say that porkis are failed state, failing state or about to be failed state.

They will not wrap unless you make it happen, they are vermin of worst kind. They have to be dealt the way we did in 71 chop countries out of this artificial entity slowly. If you take away Pok they will disappear very fast.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 12 Apr 2020 03:21

khan wrote:IMO, these artillery skirmishes aren’t cutting it. Pakistan needs to lose land somewhere. Their cannon fodder is replaceable, land isn’t.


We should not get in to open war with the jokers in the west. This attrition war allows us to keep lid on things, while growing up the economy.

Having said that, we need to invest heavily in tech which betters our ability to hit PA positions specifically artillery.

Sadly we r not going it.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bart S » 12 Apr 2020 03:39

nam wrote:Having said that, we need to invest heavily in tech which betters our ability to hit PA positions specifically artillery.

Sadly we r not going it.


We are probably not doing enough, and could do a lot more, but I don't think that statement is accurate. Even the latest rounds used precision artillery (smart shells?) with drone based targeting.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Apr 2020 08:08

We are not yet in position to fight a decisive war, but as such I see Pakis are heavily import dependent from Trucks to steel, they cannot afford a war of attrition, they like old strategy of us being reactive, as we start ramping up our infrastructure and target them on thier side of LOC, weakpoints will be created on thier side of the LOC which willbe Ripe when we are ready.

They rely on us wanting peace while they attack, this strategy puts them off balance, they will key educated men and material- overall it will be very degrading for them.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 12 Apr 2020 10:13

Aditya_V wrote:We are not yet in position to fight a decisive war, but as such I see Pakis are heavily import dependent from Trucks to steel, they cannot afford a war of attrition, they like old strategy of us being reactive, as we start ramping up our infrastructure and target them on thier side of LOC, weakpoints will be created on thier side of the LOC which willbe Ripe when we are ready.

They rely on us wanting peace while they attack, this strategy puts them off balance, they will key educated men and material- overall it will be very degrading for them.

I am convinced that they don't care. They are fine fighting with bow and arrows while riding camels, so long as they can hide behind their nukes and send terrorists over. India can quite literally "attrition" them into the Stone Age and they don't care as long as their H&D is intact and they can keep cashmeere alive. They must be made to be humiliated and lose face.

Land grab is one way, an undeniable, humiliating act of war (like taking out a submarine on dock in Karachi or taking out a squadron of F-16's in their bunkers) is another way.

The Pakistani's need to lose something of value to "attrition" - not just cannon fodder or ammo dumps in remote areas no one gives a s**t about. Its time to raise the temperatue.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Apr 2020 10:15

Aditya_V wrote:We are not yet in position to fight a decisive war, but as such I see Pakis are heavily import dependent from Trucks to steel, they cannot afford a war of attrition, they like old strategy of us being reactive, as we start ramping up our infrastructure and target them on thier side of LOC, weakpoints will be created on thier side of the LOC which willbe Ripe when we are ready.

They rely on us wanting peace while they attack, this strategy puts them off balance, they will lose key educated men and material- overall it will be very degrading for them.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby yensoy » 12 Apr 2020 11:05

khan wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:We are not yet in position to fight a decisive war, but as such I see Pakis are heavily import dependent from Trucks to steel, they cannot afford a war of attrition, they like old strategy of us being reactive, as we start ramping up our infrastructure and target them on thier side of LOC, weakpoints will be created on thier side of the LOC which willbe Ripe when we are ready.

I am convinced that they don't care. They are fine fighting with bow and arrows while riding camels, so long as they can hide behind their nukes and send terrorists over. India can quite literally "attrition" them into the Stone Age and they don't care as long as their H&D is intact and they can keep cashmeere alive. They must be made to be humiliated and lose face...The Pakistani's need to lose something of value to "attrition" - not just cannon fodder or ammo dumps in remote areas no one gives a s**t about.

Very true. Fact is that if the Paki war machine is reduced in hardware capabilities and their coffers are empty our friends from China will replace their war machines on credit; hell even our new found Western friends will pitch in some funds if not some materiel just to keep thing simmering for us. Remember, their target is also to keep India preoccupied in a covert and deniable manner.

So we need to deprive Pakis of something which can't be replaced by their benefactors, or by their population factory. Land is a worthy pick, yes we need to first deny them use of their border lands, and at a future date grab them as restitution every time there is an attack. Much like what Israel does.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby srin » 12 Apr 2020 11:35

khan wrote:I am convinced that they don't care. They are fine fighting with bow and arrows while riding camels, so long as they can hide behind their nukes and send terrorists over. India can quite literally "attrition" them into the Stone Age and they don't care as long as their H&D is intact and they can keep cashmeere alive. They must be made to be humiliated and lose face.

Land grab is one way, an undeniable, humiliating act of war (like taking out a submarine on dock in Karachi or taking out a squadron of F-16's in their bunkers) is another way.

The Pakistani's need to lose something of value to "attrition" - not just cannon fodder or ammo dumps in remote areas no one gives a s**t about. Its time to raise the temperatue.


I 100% agree on the land grab part - we should do one LoC post at a time. It isn't that the artillery strikes are not going to help. It's just that the effects must be persistent.

And it's a win-win. If TSPA swallow pride and keep it quiet, then we win by salami slicing. If they go crying to Unkil, they lose face. And even then, we just call it a buffer zone.

And it'll force them to wage a defensive battle and place their regular troops at front.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Apr 2020 12:35

Yes we all want our land across the LOC, but guys be patient that stage is yet to come. The Chinese, USA and et al can make the Pakis match our capabilities when our MIC is small, but as economic and related military capacity becomes better the more Pakis are left behind, I have been following this for 20 years.

The Pakis had artillery capacity was better than ours in the 90"S, they were happily shelling us and we were losing Colenel level persons int he 90's in Kashmir. Post NDA operation Parakram they lost appitite of artillery duels and agreed for the so called 2003 ceasefire. Now when we are finally inducting Pinaka, 155mm artillery and have better indigenous Motors, they are feeling the effects even more.

The Chinese are also not able to keep supplying them and nor can they manufacture- they import every truck and Vehicle from Japan. There steel industry and engineering capability is negligible and it is going to go down as education spending is going down and is going to down Madarasa maths route. As we keep degrading their ability to defend across the LOC becomes less. In early 2000's militants had bases on our side of the LOC, now slowly we are making their side of the LOC unsafe for them, make these bugers trek 10-15km to the LOC in one night and try to the cross. The casualty ratio will keep getting better for us. As they keep not reporting casualties morale will be sapping slowly. Then we can slowly take land as thier ability to defend keeps going down.

in Nov 2008 they could attack Mumbai and get away with it, we should slowly make their homeland unsafe and our Industrial capability difference so high that their 3.5 friends cannot provide them with meaningful counteractive arms.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 12 Apr 2020 13:48

khan wrote:I am convinced that they don't care. They are fine fighting with bow and arrows while riding camels, so long as they can hide behind their nukes and send terrorists over. India can quite literally "attrition" them into the Stone Age and they don't care as long as their H&D is intact and they can keep cashmeere alive. They must be made to be humiliated and lose face.

Land grab is one way, an undeniable, humiliating act of war (like taking out a submarine on dock in Karachi or taking out a squadron of F-16's in their bunkers) is another way.

The Pakistani's need to lose something of value to "attrition" - not just cannon fodder or ammo dumps in remote areas no one gives a s**t about. Its time to raise the temperatue.


That is also the problem with deep capture in to PoK. Pak will not stop until we capture the whole of Pak. Probably not even after that. We do visible land grab, allows Pak to create the "india did reverse kargil on us" victim hood. They will fight the full war, until the world supports them as the victim.

Operationally moving the LoC involves building new defenses, monitoring new defensive lines, new fences etc! Lot of money.

So we need to hold the line. But better our killing capability.

Get better sensor to locate PA untis: infantry movement,bases, supplies & specially artillery. Ability to provide cordinates to our troops to target them. Ability to jam their drones flying along the LC.

Need to do of of these with minimum causalities on our side. Whenever any our trooper is killed, for whatever reasons, we launch a large area strikes.

It is a war of attrition, however it should be 10:1 attrition. On other fronts, we need to bring their economic to the knees, which for some reason are not doing it.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 12 Apr 2020 14:52

I think there are few areas like Neelum Valley, Poonch Bulge areas around Jammu, if Pakistan does in fact provide an opportunity we must change the alignment of the LOC. But easier said than done.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby mody » 12 Apr 2020 15:03

khan wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:We are not yet in position to fight a decisive war, but as such I see Pakis are heavily import dependent from Trucks to steel, they cannot afford a war of attrition, they like old strategy of us being reactive, as we start ramping up our infrastructure and target them on thier side of LOC, weakpoints will be created on thier side of the LOC which willbe Ripe when we are ready.

They rely on us wanting peace while they attack, this strategy puts them off balance, they will key educated men and material- overall it will be very degrading for them.

I am convinced that they don't care. They are fine fighting with bow and arrows while riding camels, so long as they can hide behind their nukes and send terrorists over. India can quite literally "attrition" them into the Stone Age and they don't care as long as their H&D is intact and they can keep cashmeere alive. They must be made to be humiliated and lose face.

Land grab is one way, an undeniable, humiliating act of war (like taking out a submarine on dock in Karachi or taking out a squadron of F-16's in their bunkers) is another way.

The Pakistani's need to lose something of value to "attrition" - not just cannon fodder or ammo dumps in remote areas no one gives a s**t about. Its time to raise the temperatue.


Agree completely. The losses on the paki side need to be big and visible.
Our artillery induction plan needs to be speeded up as much as possible. Pinaka-MK2 and guided pinaka, along with the Sharang, Dhanush maybe the 52 Calibre gun from Kalyani-Bharat-52 and finally ATAGS. We now manufacture the ammo ourselves and so government spending on defence, all manufactured by local indistry, helps in the current economic downturn.

With regards to land grab, the Haji Pir pass, should be our target no.1 on the LoC. Any other small paki posts etc. should be targeted, simply to gain a better tactical advantage along the LoC. However, we would also have to be prepared for a serious escalation, as this would mean the sactity of the LoC, no longer holds. This has been our position since 1965, that the LoC is treated as the de-facto border and the sanctity of the same has been maintained. If we violate the same, the pakis will be iching to try and grab some piece of land across the LoC on our side as well. This type of shallow incursions and small land grabs, actually suite them too, as compared to larger operations over a much wider front.

The major oppurtunity that we missed was during Kargil, when we could have followed up to grab a part of Baltistan, perhaps all the way upto Skardu. It would have solved the Siachen question as well and checkmated Chinese CPEC plans too.

The other major opportunity for war of attrition was missed, when WnCo Abhinandan was shot down. If that would not have happened, we could have kept up the agressive flying going on for a couple of months, with pakistan having to match the same. If their F-16 had not been shot down, we could have even crossed the border and bombed some of their airforce bases, from where the planes they used for attack on our brigade HQ came from. If the pakis would retaliate, it would only give us further opportunity to shoot down some of their planes or hit some other major targets in porkiland.
Imagine the pakis try to target some of our offshore oil rigs near Bombay High and we bombing the PNS mehran base and taking out the Paki P3C Orions fleet!!

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby srin » 12 Apr 2020 16:32

Discussion of recent events between Maj Gaurav Arya and Lt. Gen Ata Hasnain

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bart S » 12 Apr 2020 18:15

khan wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:We are not yet in position to fight a decisive war, but as such I see Pakis are heavily import dependent from Trucks to steel, they cannot afford a war of attrition, they like old strategy of us being reactive, as we start ramping up our infrastructure and target them on thier side of LOC, weakpoints will be created on thier side of the LOC which willbe Ripe when we are ready.

They rely on us wanting peace while they attack, this strategy puts them off balance, they will key educated men and material- overall it will be very degrading for them.

I am convinced that they don't care. They are fine fighting with bow and arrows while riding camels, so long as they can hide behind their nukes and send terrorists over. India can quite literally "attrition" them into the Stone Age and they don't care as long as their H&D is intact and they can keep cashmeere alive. They must be made to be humiliated and lose face.

Land grab is one way, an undeniable, humiliating act of war (like taking out a submarine on dock in Karachi or taking out a squadron of F-16's in their bunkers) is another way.

The Pakistani's need to lose something of value to "attrition" - not just cannon fodder or ammo dumps in remote areas no one gives a s**t about. Its time to raise the temperatue.


Slowly slowly catchee Pakee.

It is not an either/or situation, we just need to be patient IF (and this is a BIG IF) our govt and deep state can stick with a long-term strategy without getting distracted by frequent grandstanding by Pakis and their fourfathers.

You start by waging a war of attrition. This leads to their economy tanking further and their resources getting depleted, while not costing us too much in by way of economic or geopolitical capital. Any spectacular terrorist attacks that they may attempt to release the tension only suck them further into the quicksand.

All this while, it would still be difficult for us to do a unilateral land grab or large scale destruction of a military asset without bringing a lot of pressure on ourselves.

At some point the pressure gets to them, and they will either try to make a tactical retreat (hence my point on us having a long-term strategy that has continuity across govts), or start some Kargil/65 type operation. At which point we get the justification, space, and overwhelming superiority to make some Pakee 65. :D

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby VinodTK » 12 Apr 2020 20:07

15 Pak soldiers, 8 terrorists killed in Army’s LoC action, says intel report
The Indian Army’s artillery assault on terror launch pads at Dudhnial facing the Keran sector across the Line of Control (LoC) on April 10 killed eight terrorists and 15 Pakistan Army soldiers, two people in the security establishment told Hindustan Times.

It was a message to Pakistan, one of them said, that nothing goes unpunished.

On the banks of Kishanganga river, Dudhnial was targeted to retaliate to ceasefire violations by Pakistan. It was from this mountain town that the five terrorists neutralised by the Indian Army special forces in the Keran sector on April 5 had been launched.

Out of five terrorists killed, three belonged to Jammu and Kashmir and the other two had trained with Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM), people familiar with the development said. Efforts to establish their identity are still on.
Pakistan Army has confirmed that Indian Army fired in Sharda, Dudhnial and Shahkot sectors along the LoC, the de facto border. But it had claimed that only four civilians including a 15- year- old girl sustained serious injuries. Islamabad also blamed the Indian Army of 708 ceasefire violations in 2020, that it said, killed two civilians and injured another 42.

The Pakistan Army spokesperson also said the Pakistan Army countered the Indian assault by targeting Indian Army posts along the LoC with matching weapon calibre or simply put artillery guns and heavy mortars.

This, according to Indian intelligence reports, was an effort to camouflage the extent of the casualties on the Pakistani side.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby dinesha » 12 Apr 2020 20:21

srin wrote:Discussion of recent events between Maj Gaurav Arya and Lt. Gen Ata Hasnain


"No armed drones in India till today" ..is a surprise

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 12 Apr 2020 20:52



If the purpose of this was to somehow punish Pakistan for killing 5 SF soldiers, and deter them in the future - it failed.

The only language they understand is the language of H&D - the fact that they are able to deny the casualty count and their people believe their lies means that this was a sub-optimal effort.

You see - the entire reason they are doing this (inspite of huge punishment from IA) is because if they stop and cashmeeere becomes peaceful, then their deep state loses relevance. This is survival for their deep state.

The only way to counter this is by proactively making their deep state look like hijras.

Regarding this retaliation - they will just make a few more people starve, abandon a few more kilometers of roads and borrow more money to pay for the people they lost and salvage H&D.

The need of hour is to start hitting them in a way that makes them look like eunuchs.

As I said earlier, it’s time to take out a submarine base or a squadron of F-16’s and dare them to respond. Time to raise the temperature and the cost of this nonsense.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby RKumar » 12 Apr 2020 21:58

Nahi sir, it is working perfectly. What else we could ask from NaPak, we keep ban*ing them and they keep saying they are virg*ns :lol:

It’s one wrong move by napak and it’s check n mate. Let’s keep the pressure on PA and their non-existence political class. Chances are really good that they give us a great opportunity to set the records straight. You wish will be fulfilled at the right time.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gyan » 13 Apr 2020 00:11

I think we should turn the screws on Pakistan internally & on its northern borders. Let it fall apart.

Any major overt action on Indo-Pak border will unite Pak. Though regular Artillery shelling to take out Terrorist launch pads near border-LoC & even an Annual air strike is not a bad idea.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gyan » 13 Apr 2020 00:12

Aditya_V wrote:Yes we all want our land across the LOC, but guys be patient that stage is yet to come. The Chinese, USA and et al can make the Pakis match our capabilities when our MIC is small, but as economic and related military capacity becomes better the more Pakis are left behind, I have been following this for 20 years.

The Pakis had artillery capacity was better than ours in the 90"S, they were happily shelling us and we were losing Colenel level persons int he 90's in Kashmir. Post NDA operation Parakram they lost appitite of artillery duels and agreed for the so called 2003 ceasefire. Now when we are finally inducting Pinaka, 155mm artillery and have better indigenous Motors, they are feeling the effects even more.

The Chinese are also not able to keep supplying them and nor can they manufacture- they import every truck and Vehicle from Japan. There steel industry and engineering capability is negligible and it is going to go down as education spending is going down and is going to down Madarasa maths route. As we keep degrading their ability to defend across the LOC becomes less. In early 2000's militants had bases on our side of the LOC, now slowly we are making their side of the LOC unsafe for them, make these bugers trek 10-15km to the LOC in one night and try to the cross. The casualty ratio will keep getting better for us. As they keep not reporting casualties morale will be sapping slowly. Then we can slowly take land as thier ability to defend keeps going down.

in Nov 2008 they could attack Mumbai and get away with it, we should slowly make their homeland unsafe and our Industrial capability difference so high that their 3.5 friends cannot provide them with meaningful counteractive arms.


Nice post Aditya, but I don't India has used Pinaka after Kargil.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shyamd » 13 Apr 2020 01:12

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If the purpose of this was to somehow punish Pakistan for killing 5 SF soldiers, and deter them in the future - it failed.

The only language they understand is the language of H&D - the fact that they are able to deny the casualty count and their people believe their lies means that this was a sub-optimal effort.

You see - the entire reason they are doing this (inspite of huge punishment from IA) is because if they stop and cashmeeere becomes peaceful, then their deep state loses relevance. This is survival for their deep state.

The only way to counter this is by proactively making their deep state look like hijras.

Regarding this retaliation - they will just make a few more people starve, abandon a few more kilometers of roads and borrow more money to pay for the people they lost and salvage H&D.

The need of hour is to start hitting them in a way that makes them look like eunuchs.

As I said earlier, it’s time to take out a submarine base or a squadron of F-16’s and dare them to respond. Time to raise the temperature and the cost of this nonsense.

This is a routine op. Some IA announce and some they don't. IA policy post May/June last year is to conduct preemptive strikes at rear bases/terror launchpads and get out of the reactive cycle. IA is making some adjustments to increase effectiveness of their operations.

Info Warfare is still new to GOI/IA and yes still lots to be done in that domain.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 13 Apr 2020 09:33

shyamd wrote:This is a routine op. Some IA announce and some they don't. IA policy post May/June last year is to conduct preemptive strikes at rear bases/terror launchpads and get out of the reactive cycle. IA is making some adjustments to increase effectiveness of their operations.

Info Warfare is still new to GOI/IA and yes still lots to be done in that domain.


Calling this a PR “Info Warfare” problem is minimizing the problem. This is a target selection issue, not a PR problem. India needs to select targets where no deniability is possible on the Pakistani side.

As long as there is deniability, no matter how big India’s victory is, it is as if the victory hasn’t even happened. Not only that, they will find new sacrificial goats for IA artillery and new ways to borrow money to pay for these adventures.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby basant » 13 Apr 2020 11:10

bababanaras' Twitter account is suspended!
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Mollick.R » 13 Apr 2020 12:29

basant wrote:bababanaras' Twitter account is suspended!


really frustrating to know that, one by one in a systematic manner ISPR trolls mass report the a/c, and twitter also due to its extreme left leaning stance obliges immediately.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 13 Apr 2020 13:31

One the other hand ISPR must be really scared over whatever was going to be reported.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby la.khan » 13 Apr 2020 14:47

Aditya_V wrote:One the other hand ISPR must be really scared over whatever was going to be reported.

True. I read Babaji's tweets regularly, once every 1-2 days, since Balakote's air strike. What has he written today he hasn't in the last few months that got the goat of Twitter? Any ideas? The last tweets from Babaji were about artillery action on the LoC.

Hopefully, he will be back soon to report action on LoC/IB.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby basant » 13 Apr 2020 15:39

la.khan wrote:
Aditya_V wrote:One the other hand ISPR must be really scared over whatever was going to be reported.

True. I read Babaji's tweets regularly, once every 1-2 days, since Balakote's air strike. What has he written today he hasn't in the last few months that got the goat of Twitter? Any ideas? The last tweets from Babaji were about artillery action on the LoC.

Hopefully, he will be back soon to report action on LoC/IB.

Hope so. I used to read the tweets daily. My guess is that it has to do with posting about hitting civilian buildings (like hotels!?). I wonder if that was the trigger.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Mollick.R » 13 Apr 2020 17:16

basant wrote:
la.khan wrote:True. I read Babaji's tweets regularly, once every 1-2 days, since Balakote's air strike. What has he written today he hasn't in the last few months that got the goat of Twitter? Any ideas? The last tweets from Babaji were about artillery action on the LoC.

Hopefully, he will be back soon to report action on LoC/IB.

Hope so. I used to read the tweets daily. My guess is that it has to do with posting about hitting civilian buildings (like hotels!?). I wonder if that was the trigger.


I check his tweets every day several times a day.
Nope, to best of my understanding that was not the case. Some low level paki scum was trolling him. Babaji replied that "tu XYZ hai naa , son of XX, city this, street no this, house no this, father having a butcher shop at xyz market. Beta i got my source everywhere."

Ten ISPR trolls mass reported his account citing twitter policy of disclosing sensitive personal information and this happened.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shyamd » 13 Apr 2020 18:53

khan wrote:Calling this a PR “Info Warfare” problem is minimizing the problem. This is a target selection issue, not a PR problem. India needs to select targets where no deniability is possible on the Pakistani side.

As long as there is deniability, no matter how big India’s victory is, it is as if the victory hasn’t even happened. Not only that, they will find new sacrificial goats for IA artillery and new ways to borrow money to pay for these adventures.

Look, this isn't a new thought and has been considered many a time... look at who wins and loses in all angles (it's not just TSP vs India - the picture is much bigger and wider)... preference is for current situation which minimises costs to us and Make sure TSPA is worse off.

GOI security establishment is in the process of implementing its strategy - we have not seen the full plans at work yet.

Present plan is to unsettle the terror infra across the border. Artillery is key to preventing movement of TSPA and terrorists closer to LoC. Estimates are that a few hundred cross into India every year, this is the first year of current strategy... I suspect TSPA will not be able to get more than 100 across if IA/BSF play its cards well. We can evaluate only after current fighting season finishes.

You’ll see a gradual ramp up of IA offensive action across LoC beyond what we are seeing already.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby RKumar » 14 Apr 2020 02:31

Let’s remember, we are adding big guns after a gap of 30 years and these guns haven’t reached where these should be. As and when, these are placed at tactical locations - IA will be able to inflict maximum pain with better efficiency and minimum losses. The initial data points we are going in good direction.

On different topic - I am positively surprised to observe that even normal people are understanding NaPak psychology of - sports, people to terrorist contacts n music, which brings only benefits to them and harm to Bharatvarsh. People are outright rejecting such ideas from jehadis - good going at different levels.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Lisa » 14 Apr 2020 04:58

somdev wrote:Missing BabaBanaras


Search for his twitter account on Google and then read the cache. Its all there. I do not know how to reproduce that feed on this forum. Can anyone help?

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/ ... clnk&gl=uk

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Mort Walker » 14 Apr 2020 05:43

somdev wrote:Missing BabaBanaras


Unfortunately Baba went on ad infinitum. Lots of extemporaneous speaking. A few choice tweets with no reply to others would have been better.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 14 Apr 2020 12:51

https://theprint.in/opinion/artillery-s ... ts/400048/

He has a point, but why the pronounced negativity and cynicism? Why not appreciate, and spiritedly, what has been done, and the effort, precision and the risk involved in the action? India is retaliating and doing what is possible and sanctioned at this particular time. Indians display this negativity all the time, even when something really concrete has been achieved, like the Asat test, the first n-submarine deterrent patrol, the Agni-5 ICBM test, for that matter, Balakot!

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby khan » 14 Apr 2020 23:10

Varoon Shekhar wrote:https://theprint.in/opinion/artillery-strikes-on-pakistan-will-only-bring-good-pr-for-impact-india-needs-more-balakots/400048/

He has a point...


Yes. I agree. India needs to retaliate in a manner Pakistan _cannot_ retaliate. They have artillery too. Slaughtering them by artillery might be good background noise, but they need to figure out a way to cut through the noise. Hope the right people are working on this.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Varoon Shekhar » 14 Apr 2020 23:17

Again India is doing what it's capable of, at this present time. It's not insignificant, and positively not something to dismiss so arrogantly and snidely as the writer has done.


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