India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Nikhil T · Post by **Nikhil T** » 02 Dec 2016 04:53

schinnas wrote:Something is seriously wrong with Ajay Sukla. Even if we assume that there is truth to his assertion of sloppiness in our Army, he is advocating that India remain a punching bag and just focus on securing itself because Pukistan's behavior cannot be changed. What a loser.

Ajai Shukla is the most egoist, self-centered, short-tempered journalist I have seen. He just cannot agree with or appreciate anyone. In his mind, the he is The Enlightened One.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 02 Dec 2016 10:44

Nikhil T wrote:
schinnas wrote:Something is seriously wrong with Ajay Sukla. Even if we assume that there is truth to his assertion of sloppiness in our Army, he is advocating that India remain a punching bag and just focus on securing itself because Pukistan's behavior cannot be changed. What a loser.
Ajai Shukla is the most egoist, self-centered, short-tempered journalist I have seen. He just cannot agree with or appreciate anyone. In his mind, the he is The Enlightened One.

happens when one is banned from the MoD, one's arms brokering business takes a massive hit and and one's middleman career is brutally cut short with one's credibility totally destroyed.

All this did not happen because shukla was innocently playing tiddlywinks

brvarsh · Post by **brvarsh** » 02 Dec 2016 13:44

Irrespective of how much we hate to read his view there are certain points in his assertion which can not be ignored - First to change anything at the source of the problem we should have power and capacity and Situation management to completely annihilate Pakistan without going for an all out war. We will keep pinching their nerves and they will keep creating a new wave of nuts who would want their 72s. We must ensure the damage at the destination is minimized. Frankly in all of such cases be it in Pathankot, Uri or Nagrota these pigs could have been dispatched right at the gate or with in the outer perimeter without having any casualties. We did a good job recently with preemptive strikes, breaking the financial backbone of their supporters and making LOC largely impregnable by the "traditional" methods but look - the asset Pakistan already has are capable to mount such high profile attacks a few times before our work at the border and inside starts to take shape. How do we damage control till then? The next phase of solutions are needed and there could not be any better time to execute than now.

ragupta · Post by **ragupta** » 02 Dec 2016 14:37

we should have power and capacity and Situation management to completely annihilate Pakistan without going for an all out war.

Any type of capability, requires time and money. With the decades lost in the past due to indecision, it is going to take time, but there is enough capacity to punish TSP anytime, not overwehlmingly but enough.

Give few more years and things will be good.

yensoy · Post by **yensoy** » 02 Dec 2016 22:19

1. Be tough, act tough, think tough, stay tough. Don't chicken out. This may not mean going to war, but no more candles and photo-ops at Taj Mahal. It's this schizophrenic mentality of fighting like cats and dogs one day, and making up the other, which should be ended immediately. At best, a cold peace.
2. Diverge, economically, socially, politically and militarily. The differences have been appearing starting about 10 years ago (for a long time Pakis were actually ahead of us in many positive metrics). We are still only around "1.2x-1.8x" better. When we get to a point we are "4x" better (say by per-capita GDP), the conversation will be very different from today.
3. Have a clear vision. A prosperous Pakiland is not in our interests because their belligerence is not going away. It has to be cut 4-5 ways. This is a 10+ year goal; and we can't have second thoughts after 5 years.
4. Plot, plan and cultivate non-state actors in Pakiland that will lead to the above goal. Exploit every internal division. Have backup plans, everybody should be on our payroll. Have a clear sales strategy for the states after dismemberment.
5. Do all the above without raising the decibel level from where we are today. Radio silence is golden.

Rudradev · Post by **Rudradev** » 03 Dec 2016 03:08

There are three things they care about.

1) Life and limb of Pakistan Army and ISI officers, and their families.
2) Property holdings and commercial investments of Pakistani Army and ISI officers, and their families.
3) CPEC... because it is a gravy train for Pakistan Army and ISI officers, an overall proof-of-concept for FDI into Pakistan, and a glue that cements China's economic, military and political investment into Pakistan.

These are the three categories of targets that will cause maximum pain if hit. Enough quanta of pain sustained over a long enough period of time, without respite, will have the best chance of yielding dividends.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 03 Dec 2016 03:33

Only on BRF will you read such lucid posts as above. Thank you Rudradevji!

Bart S · Post by **Bart S** » 03 Dec 2016 12:38

Rudradev wrote:There are three things they care about.

1) Life and limb of Pakistan Army and ISI officers, and their families.
2) Property holdings and commercial investments of Pakistani Army and ISI officers, and their families.
3) CPEC... because it is a gravy train for Pakistan Army and ISI officers, an overall proof-of-concept for FDI into Pakistan, and a glue that cements China's economic, military and political investment into Pakistan.

These are the three categories of targets that will cause maximum pain if hit. Enough quanta of pain sustained over a long enough period of time, without respite, will have the best chance of yielding dividends.

They also care about loss of face, i.e anything that undermines their narrative about the Pak Army being a> invincible and b> the only essential and working institution in Pakistan. Which is why the surgical strikes which threatened none of those 3 points you listed was such a big problem for them.

If this narrative is proven false, there are enough people within that dysfunctional country who will openly have their knives out for them.

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 03 Dec 2016 20:20

[quote="yensoy"]1. Be tough, act tough, think tough, stay tough. Don't chicken out. This may not mean going to war, but no more candles and photo-ops at Taj Mahal. It's this schizophrenic mentality of fighting like cats and dogs one day, and making up the other, which should be ended immediately. At best, a cold peace.
2. Diverge, economically, socially, politically and militarily. The differences have...etc

This is excellent, what I have been thinking, but failed to articulate so well. Yes, place India on a much higher plane, in every way, than Pakistan. While keeping a cold distance, and guarding the borders.

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 03 Dec 2016 21:03

We all know that H&D is super imprtant for pakis, the surgical strike was the first attempt to hurt that. One can be sure with Modi at the helm, things will get more overt as time passes. With the DeMo going on, Modi may wait or do some other covert action in Pak. The Nagrota strike might have been Rawheel's last hurrah and parting gift...its not clear if the new COAS had any say in the nagrota strike.

Prasad · Post by **Prasad** » 03 Dec 2016 22:57

H&D only goes so far. They always twist failure into victory no matter how terrible. They explained away their 90k POWs in 71 and losing half their country. H&D thappads are over-rated imo. Wholeheartedly agree on RD's post above. Hit them where it hurts the PA really. Financial strength of the PA/ISI.

Bishwa · Post by **Bishwa** » 04 Dec 2016 02:12

Regarding tunnels.

From Israel, the army has since Lance Naik Hanamanthappa’s death in Siachen, imported larger numbers of Xaver barrier-piercing radars that are supposed to see through 20 metres of obstacle. This is as per a report in Tribune.

Maybe something like this could help. Israel has similar tunnel problems in its home front.

Rohit_K · Post by **Rohit_K** » 04 Dec 2016 02:55

BSF foils intrusion bid, kills Pakistani intruder
http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... r-4408872/

BSF has foiled a cross-border intrusion bid after it shot dead a Pakistani intruder at Border Out Post Dhindha in Gurdaspur sector of Punjab. “BSF troops of Border Out Post Dhindha Sector Gurdaspur observed suspicious movement of a Pakistani intruder who crossed the International Border and came inside the Indian territory. BSF troops challenged him to stop but the intruder continued with his aggressive posture. Hence, BSF troops opened fire in self-defence and killed him,” a BSF official said.

Pakistan refuses to accept body of intruder shot dead in Pathankot
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... ii3dP.html

Pakistani authorities refused on Saturday to accept the body of a suspected intruder who was shot dead by India’s border guards in Punjab’s Pathankot district, officials said. The rebuff by Pakistan Rangers, which guards the country’s borders, is seen as its refusal to acknowledge the suspected intruder’s Pakistani citizenship, officials said. Border Security Force (BSF) had called a “flag meeting” with Pakistan Rangers on Saturday to hand over the body. Pakistani currency, a cigarette packet, a matchbox and a soft drink pouch were found on the slain intruder, said Pathankot senior superintendent of police Rakesh Kaushal.

Pic of what they found on him: http://www.hindustantimes.com/rf/image_ ... 3aec4d.jpg

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 04 Dec 2016 07:04

Rudradev wrote:There are three things they care about.

1) Life and limb of Pakistan Army and ISI officers, and their families.
2) Property holdings and commercial investments of Pakistani Army and ISI officers, and their families.
3) CPEC... because it is a gravy train for Pakistan Army and ISI officers, an overall proof-of-concept for FDI into Pakistan, and a glue that cements China's economic, military and political investment into Pakistan.

These are the three categories of targets that will cause maximum pain if hit. Enough quanta of pain sustained over a long enough period of time, without respite, will have the best chance of yielding dividends.

There is a degree of turmoil in Pakistan that makes things even more interesting - though it does not make the Paki army stronger. While you are right that hitting the Paki army directly will be effective the "new reality on the block" is the fact that many in the Pakistan army now fear saying anything that antagonizes Sunni/Wahhabi Islamic groups. This means that they have to fight Shias and America as well as India. But making peace with India is not an option and any statement that seeks to normalize ties or reduce tensions with India could earn the army officer a 72.

There are now senior officers in the Paki army who have encouraged promotion on the basis of ability to recite the quran. People who have come up that way will likely express an intent to fight the entire world. Accepting aid from the US has become tricky - it has to be accepted as aid to fight India, or else it will be construed as sucking up to the US. Musharraf and Kiyani were both accused of sucking up to the US and were both powerless in implementing what the US wanted despite generous aid. It is only under Raheel Sharif that US aid started drying up.

There are, IMO two consequences of this.
1. For India the near to medium term future is going to be the need to tackle the likes of Lashkar-e Toiba and Hafiz saeed -who have tremendous grass roots political support. That is in part because of the way Islam works - it ensures that its own population (Pakis) are intimidated into benefiting by not showing any dissent. The LeT is itself claims an army of 300,000 but is still in a position where it needs to "appeal to the army" to take a harder line on India. So they do not wield the power that the Paki army represents

2. What the US does will still be important - because if the US is fooled by Pakistan they will fund the Paki army to fight at the Afghan border and kill Baluchis, while equipment and funds will "leak" to the LeT which is responsible for tackling India.

I think a bomb blast at an LeT meeting would be something to look forward to, but the LeT has foolproof ISI/army security

Varoon Shekhar · Post by **Varoon Shekhar** » 04 Dec 2016 07:26

yensoy wrote:1. Be tough, act tough, think tough, stay tough. Don't chicken out. This may not mean going to war, but no more candles and photo-ops at Taj Mahal. It's this schizophrenic mentality of fighting like cats and dogs one day, and making up the other, w.

Also, keep the memory of terrorist attacks alive. It's absolutely disgusting how the general public,and large sections of the media, barely( if at all) remember Kaluchak in May 2002, and what a horrible atrocity that was. The same stupid forgetfulness should not be allowed for Uri, Macchil and Nagrota. And needless to say, for Mumbai. And keep reminding the public in whatever forum, about the number of terrorist attacks that were thwarted, and how many lives were saved.

Sridhar K · Post by **Sridhar K** » 04 Dec 2016 08:55

Now we have Sartaz Aziz in Amristar attending some conference, meeting Modi and sending roses to Sushma Swaraj for speedy recovery.

With DeMo, nobody remembers Nagrota now and we are expecting people to remember kaluchak

khan · Post by **khan** » 04 Dec 2016 10:17

Sridhar K wrote:Now we have Sartaz Aziz in Amristar attending some conference, meeting Modi and sending roses to Sushma Swaraj for speedy recovery.

With DeMo, nobody remembers Nagrota now and we are expecting people to remember kaluchak

This could be good. Now that Pakis know haw far India is willing to go, Modi might be negotiating terms for a face-saving surrender.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Dec 2016 10:47

Sridhar K wrote:Now we have Sartaz Aziz in Amristar attending some conference, meeting Modi and sending roses to Sushma Swaraj for speedy recovery.

With DeMo, nobody remembers Nagrota now and we are expecting people to remember kaluchak

a public rebuff this time to the pakis, would perhaps have brought more dividends.

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Dec 2016 12:50

Why was the selection of Bulletproof jackets delayed by the UPA?

Foot soldiers of India deprived of Bulletproof jackets?

Foot soldiers of India deprived of Bulletproof jackets?

Why was the selection of Bulletproof jackets delayed by the UPA?
By Kshatriya -
November 29, 2016

353000 Bulletproof jackets needed, only 5000 supplied till Oct ’16

Standing in front of TV cameras or while participating in debates inside the Parliament politicians cutting across party lines never shy away from sympathising with the foot soldiers of the Indian armed forces.

But when it comes to providing safety equipment for these soldiers the same set of politicians are found lacking in discharging their duties.

On all these platforms these politicians stand tall and raise patriotic slogans to woo the jawans to salvage their lost image in the eyes of their electorate.

But when it comes to providing safety equipment for these soldiers the same set of politicians are found lacking in discharging their duties.

Since 2009 the Indian army is waiting for the supply of over 3.53 lakh Bulletproof jackets but in reality only 5000 pieces have been made available to them till October this year.

This despite the fact that the jawans have been complaining about the more heavier version of the jacket as it hinders the smooth movement during counterinsurgency operations on ground zero.

The army opted for modern version to bail out the jawans. But lengthy procurement process stalled the immediate procurement of the crucial safety equipment.

As per new technological specifications these Bulletproof jackets were meant to adequately protect the head, neck, chest, groin and sides of foot-soldiers.

They would also have allowed soldiers to move with greater agility during counter-insurgency operations in hostile terrain.
According to official records the original plan of purchasing Bulletproof jackets ran into rough weather as none of the samples approved during the tedious procurement process could fulfil the criteria. This happened when Congress led UPA govt was in office.

The Request for Proposal (RFP) was issued to 36 vendors on March 3, 2011, but had to be retracted on December 8th, 2011 to address issues in respect of conduct of trials.

The samples were submitted for field trials after the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC) had accorded Acceptance of Necessity (AoN) in October, 2009 for procurement of 3,53,765 Bulletproof jackets (BPJs), including quantity 1,86,138 to be procured in the 11th Army Plan.

As many as 1.86 lakh jackets were to be supplied to soldiers by 2012 and another 1.67 lakh vests were to be supplied by 2017 as per the original plan.

The Request for Proposal (RFP) was issued to 36 vendors on March 3, 2011, but had to be retracted on December 8th, 2011 to address issues in respect of conduct of trials.

The RFP was issued again on December 7th, 2012 to 39 vendors. However, as none of the BPJs produced by the vendors for trials were found to be compliant to the RFP parameters, the RFP was retracted on October 5th, 2015.

A fresh RFP has been issued on April 4th, 2016. On completion of the technical evaluation of the offers, trials will be scheduled by Army Headquarters. However, to meet the immediate requirement of Bulletproof jackets (BPJ) an order for supply of 50,000 BPJ’s through revenue expenditure route has been placed on March 31, 2016 against which the first consignment of 5000 BPJ’s have been delivered on October 15, 2016. Now it remains to be seen whether the lengthy process would be expedited to acquire the Bulletproof jackets or the ambitious plan to equip our soldiers with better safety equipment would once again meet the dead end and they would continue to suffer and indulge in chest thumping.

durairaaj · Post by **durairaaj** » 05 Dec 2016 19:28

Somebody posted in Defenceforum India this message that 3 Nagrota attackers were part of the 20~30 member terrorists group, which had already infiltrated India. If it is true, we have to steel our hearts to hear more heart wrenching stories. Hopefully, the defence forces prevent these vermins before they cause any mayhem.
Link

jamwal · Post by **jamwal** » 05 Dec 2016 20:43

Its impossible for foreign Paki terrorists to reach nagrota with weapons without local help. I said that earlier too. Local malsi population in area needs a good shakeup before more such shit happens. Just came to know that even Rohangiya vermin from Myanmar are living in Jammu when even Indian citizens can't buy land there.

Even the PoK refugees from 1947 war don't have full citizenship rights after all these years mostly because they are not muslims. But foreign muslims are being settled in Jammu of all places. Both GoI and JK govt need to be hauled up for this crap

Bheeshma · Post by **Bheeshma** » 07 Dec 2016 11:14

Looks like IA uses Vidhwanshak rifles ? I heard they are being used at the LOC right now. Any idea how many inducted.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 10 Dec 2016 16:59

Found this critique of Praveen Swami's report from 2013 "15 years of bloodletting on LoC" (sic) How vested interests can exploit reputed journalists and publications to further their agendas.

Post Surgical Strike era, we cannot let dubious articles such as Swami's to be considered outright truth. Pakistani sources want to paint IA in a bad light to counter the sheet ugliness at their own side - and they use likes of Swami and Hindu to do that.

Must read in full;

http://centreright.in/2013/02/the-prave ... Evf6rKLTIX

...

Anyway, to return to my investigation about Swami’s sources, the response from UNMOGIP-Delhi made me suspicious about the existence in the public domain of these “classified” documents. If they were classified, how had Swami obtained access to them? So as advised by Delhi, I emailed the UN Headquarters in New York. I was informed that any declassified documents they held would be available in their online database, and it seems to be true, given that the latest document listed there is from January 18, 2013.

....

Swami is indeed right that the Pakistanis complained to UNMOGIP about the massacre of 22 civilians at Seri, Bandala, on April 26-27, 1998. However, though the report mentions mutilation of bodies by daggers and the presence of notes (as well as Indian ammunition casings and an Indian-made watch), it does not carry gory details Swami mentions such as decapitation or the gouging out of eyes. Neither is there any mention of a note asking, “How does your own blood feel?”

In the Nadala enclave incident, the Pakistani complaint to UNMOGIP of January 24, 2000, was quite sparse. There is no evidence presented, and the only mention is of two dead and five missing Pakistani soldiers from the alleged company-sized attack with mortars and “recoilless rifle bunker-busting fire.” There is no mention of Pakistani soldiers being tied up and dragged across a ravine. In fact, the report looks like a regular instance of cross-border firing and little else.

Nothing was found on the other events mentioned – Bhimber Gali on September 18, 2003, Bhattal on June 19, 2008, or Sharda on August 30, 2011.

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Even on the 1998 Bandala incident where his story lines up most, the UNMOGIP report has been embellished with external material.

By the way, complaints are, by definition, one-sided. Even if Swami produces all the documentation he has cited, it does not prove the Indian Army’s guilt but merely merits an investigation from the Indian side. It is not the media’s job to adjudicate on guilt, something they seem to forget quite often.

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Journalists frequently make use of their privileged access to people in power, but that is a double-edged sword – you may as easily be a propaganda mouthpiece as the journaliste du jour. It is also, in my opinion, good research ethics to explain the nature of one’s sources.

I am told that Swami has blocked people on twitter for asking him about his sources (RTing to him my two chirps) and I understand not wanting to be inundated with requests for information, especially when the matter puts one in an awkward light. However, given the sensitivity of the piece and the reaction it has provoked, the responsible thing to do would have been for The Hindu, Swami’s employer and the tabloid that carried the story, to put up links to these alleged documents – documents are not people and need not be protected in the same way journalists protect their human sources. Swami could also have been clearer about the sources of the extraneous details he added.

If these documents are indeed classified and we have to accept the author at his word – which is fine – this whole fancy article based on “classified documents” can also be rewritten as “Sources say…” The latter seems, to me, a little more honest in that it does not even hold the slightest hope that the information can be verified, whereas “classified documents” implies that they might be available somewhere and have just been or are about to be declassified.

As was pointed out to me yesterday on twitter, “classified documents” can also mean a leak. This raises questions about how selectively documents were leaked, who these leaks were, and what their motivations for such a revelation were, that too when
Indians were just beginning to forget the LoC decapitation of two Indian soldiers.

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Original article by Swami:

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/l ... 358199.ece

Another review - see the comment stream for interesting analysis - suspect some to be from BRF members:

https://www.newslaundry.com/2013/02/05/ ... -out-there

See this tweet by Wajahat Khan prior to publication by Hindu. Knowlegde of the article by a Pak journolist before publication destroys any credibility of the article

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Edit: The tweet by Wajahat was for a different article. Nevertheless shows the influence Pakistan has over our media

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 10 Dec 2016 17:22

Kaoboy B Raman had put up a series of tweets on Swami's article:

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 10 Dec 2016 18:09

The original B.Raman is dead. Are these old Tweets or a spoof account

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 10 Dec 2016 19:25

shiv wrote:The original B.Raman is dead. Are these old Tweets or a spoof account

These tweets are from 2013.

rkhanna · Post by **rkhanna** » 12 Dec 2016 16:56

In the Nadala enclave incident, the Pakistani complaint to UNMOGIP of January 24, 2000, was quite sparse. There is no evidence presented, and the only mention is of two dead and five missing Pakistani soldiers from the alleged company-sized attack with mortars and “recoilless rifle bunker-busting fire.” There is no mention of Pakistani soldiers being tied up and dragged across a ravine. In fact, the report looks like a regular instance of cross-border firing and little else.

interesting info regarding the above incident here

http://defenceforumindia.com/forum/thre ... 0/page-221

Bishwa · Post by **Bishwa** » 14 Dec 2016 09:08

http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... i-4425827/

We have discussed the PA orbat across kashmir and the implications of the operations in NWFP on it.

This article has some interesting information on how much the NWFP operations is putting on the PA.

"Planned as an 8-week, $ 250 million counter-insurgency expedition against the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in North Waziristan, Zarb-e-Azb has now run for two and a half years, tied down a quarter million troops across the region, and cost 10 times more than estimated."

So estimated cost : $2.5 billion over 2.5 years. Approx $billion per year
Manpower : 250,000 troops tied down in the region.

Aditya G · Post by **Aditya G** » 14 Dec 2016 14:47

^

But an explosion in Afghanistan, Pakistan’s military commanders are painfully aware, could set their North-West alight, too. Gen Bajwa knows he needs to douse the powder.

Does PA believe in a stable afghanistan? Why would they be? A stable Afghanistan and India (Kashmir) are not in their interests as perceived by them.

Bishwa wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... i-4425827/

We have discussed the PA orbat across kashmir and the implications of the operations in NWFP on it.

This article has some interesting information on how much the NWFP operations is putting on the PA.

"Planned as an 8-week, $ 250 million counter-insurgency expedition against the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in North Waziristan, Zarb-e-Azb has now run for two and a half years, tied down a quarter million troops across the region, and cost 10 times more than estimated."

So estimated cost : $2.5 billion over 2.5 years. Approx $billion per year
Manpower : 250,000 troops tied down in the region.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 14 Dec 2016 16:07

Bishwa wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... i-4425827/

We have discussed the PA orbat across kashmir and the implications of the operations in NWFP on it.

This article has some interesting information on how much the NWFP operations is putting on the PA.

"Planned as an 8-week, $ 250 million counter-insurgency expedition against the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in North Waziristan, Zarb-e-Azb has now run for two and a half years, tied down a quarter million troops across the region, and cost 10 times more than estimated."

So estimated cost : $2.5 billion over 2.5 years. Approx $billion per year
Manpower : 250,000 troops tied down in the region.

The cost metrics needs to be taken with a very large container load of salt. Pakis are counting payroll, modernization and operational cost of their army as part of the cost of this operation to get biksha from their masters - specifically clueless Americans for whom a billion is a small price to pay if it helps reduce Taliban problem to some extent.

schinnas · Post by **schinnas** » 14 Dec 2016 16:22

Bishwa wrote:http://indianexpress.com/article/explai ... i-4425827/

We have discussed the PA orbat across kashmir and the implications of the operations in NWFP on it.

This article has some interesting information on how much the NWFP operations is putting on the PA.

"Planned as an 8-week, $ 250 million counter-insurgency expedition against the Tehreek-e-Taliban Pakistan in North Waziristan, Zarb-e-Azb has now run for two and a half years, tied down a quarter million troops across the region, and cost 10 times more than estimated."

So estimated cost : $2.5 billion over 2.5 years. Approx $billion per year
Manpower : 250,000 troops tied down in the region.

The cost metrics needs to be taken with a very large container load of salt. Pakis are counting payroll, modernization and operational cost of their army as part of the cost of this operation to get biksha from their masters - specifically clueless Americans for whom a billion is a small price to pay if it helps (in their naive perception clouded by Paki false promises) reduce Taliban problem to some extent.

Kashi · Post by **Kashi** » 30 Dec 2016 19:09

Press Trust of India@PTI_News
Heavy cross-border firing by #Pakistan army along the Line of Control in #Poonch sector of Jammu and Kashmir.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 03 Jan 2017 18:01

Shiv Aroor ‏@ShivAroor · 2m2 minutes ago

Sources: Pak drone breached Indian airspace on Jan 1 in Uri sector, flew 400 metres across LoC before flying back.

abhishek_sharma · Post by **abhishek_sharma** » 09 Jan 2017 08:12

ABP News ‏@abpnewstv · 26m26 minutes ago

J&K: Terror attack at GREF camp in Akhnoor, three jawans lost their lives

Nick_S · Post by **Nick_S** » 28 Jan 2017 16:50

Pakistan pumps diluted heroin into Punjab, triggers fear
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... n=ETTWMain

Disappointing to see so much drugs getting through the borders.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 04 Feb 2017 22:29

Govt. sanctions 800 cr to instal the world's best anti-infiltration tech with Israeli help at IB
http://www.defencenews.in/article.aspx?id=250261

chetak · Post by **chetak** » 04 Feb 2017 22:38

Nikhil T wrote:
schinnas wrote:Something is seriously wrong with Ajay Sukla. Even if we assume that there is truth to his assertion of sloppiness in our Army, he is advocating that India remain a punching bag and just focus on securing itself because Pukistan's behavior cannot be changed. What a loser.
Ajai Shukla is the most egoist, self-centered, short-tempered journalist I have seen. He just cannot agree with or appreciate anyone. In his mind, the he is The Enlightened One.

his fond hopes of becoming an arms dealer/middleman have been completely smashed by this Govt.

Hell hath no fury like a beggar scorned.

All his congi contacts via family and marrying maneka's sister have produced zilch profit.

now only the ISI is left for free daru, khana and travel plus other comforts of home.

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 13 Feb 2017 03:22

ITBP troops get snow scooters to patrol Chinese border
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 110330.cms

Rakesh · Post by **Rakesh** » 13 Feb 2017 03:36

12,000 ITBP personnel to be deployed along China border
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 950748.cms

Guddu · Post by **Guddu** » 13 Feb 2017 11:39

Its good that the govt is strengthening the border with China. However, its also possible that the govt expects a major war (teachable moment) with pak in the next year or so and are covering their weaknesses. Note the somewhat hurried purchases of armaments (bullets and bombs etc) mentioned in the news a few weeks ago. I hope this is in preparation of a definitive retaliation to Pak.