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India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby VKumar » 01 May 2017 23:05

It is only since 2014 that we have a nationalistic government and not 15 years ago. In the last 15 years our defence preparedness and economy have suffered and being revived recently. Let us give credit for sagacity to our leaders. Not all of them are wimps or mir jaffars. I see us getting stronger and more confident in our relationship with our neighbors. Dalai Lama visited AP recently despite strong protests by China. We are showing moral and political support to Baluchistan. Our relationship with Vietnam, Mongolia, South Korea, Japan is improving. We need to respond to pinpricks in an astute manner. Not throw away our future, which is what every other nation would like to see.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kakkaji » 01 May 2017 23:07

Government gives Army free hand to avenge Pakistan's mutilation act: Sources

Government sources on Monday said the Indian Army has been given a free hand to respond to the fresh beheading, with defence minister Arun Jaitley holding that the sacrifice of the two Indian men in uniform would not go in vain.

The Army, on its part, promised "appropriate" retribution for the "despicable act". General Bipin Rawat, incidentally, was in the Kashmir Valley on Monday to review the operational situation along the LoC as well as the counter-insurgency operations in the hinterland.

"While fire assaults are already under way in different sectors of the LoC, the retaliation for Pakistan army's unsoldierly act in mutilating the bodies will be well-planned and executed at a time and place of our choosing," said a senior officer.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby abhik » 01 May 2017 23:11

The best time to "resolve" the J&K problem was 1947/48. The Pakis did not wait for 20 years, by which time India was supposed to have collapsed as per many international pundits, but took the initiative and captured a good chunk of our land.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby DrRatnadip » 02 May 2017 00:23

Aditya G wrote:If economy was everything, then NoKo, Syria, Russia etc all would have been invaded and destroyed by US.
.


If it is not economy then i dont know why GOI is not punishing pak for its sins...They encourage stone pelters, openly support separists, kill and frequently mutilate our soldiers..And we tend to punch much bellow our weight..We just lack national will to accept and absorb economic loss..I sincerly feel that every time we accept mutilated bodies of our soldiers without paying back pakis we fail as a nation..I "had " too much faith on Modi And Doval sir..But slowly that faith is going away. .More or less this is the case with many fellow indians.. We must avenge loss of our soldiers and that too in some or other visible way.. If China is blocking our bid against Hafiz Sayeed then we must target his location with brohmos.. We must kill every person who challenge us.. I genuinely feel that aircraft carriers will not earn us respect..Its will to fight for our pride , will to punish every entity who challenges our authority..

If we as a nation care more about why Kattappa killed Bahubali and less about how to avenge loss of our brave soldiers we unfortunately dont deserve seat in UN security council..

Sorry if i spoke more than i should..

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bheeshma » 02 May 2017 00:46

Who said they are not avenged? GoI or IA simply do not tom-tom the killings of pakis and pakis as usual try to hide their losses. Instead of breast beating we need to have some confidence in GoI and IA.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby ArjunPandit » 02 May 2017 00:54

DrRatnadip wrote:
Aditya G wrote:If economy was everything, then NoKo, Syria, Russia etc all would have been invaded and destroyed by US.
.


If it is not economy then i dont know why GOI is not punishing pak for its sins...They encourage stone pelters, openly support separists, kill and frequently mutilate our soldiers..And we tend to punch much bellow our weight..We just lack national will to accept and absorb economic loss..I sincerly feel that every time we accept mutilated bodies of our soldiers without paying back pakis we fail as a nation..I "had " too much faith on Modi And Doval sir..But slowly that faith is going away. .More or less this is the case with many fellow indians.. We must avenge loss of our soldiers and that too in some or other visible way.. If China is blocking our bid against Hafiz Sayeed then we must target his location with brohmos.. We must kill every person who challenge us.. I genuinely feel that aircraft carriers will not earn us respect..Its will to fight for our pride , will to punish every entity who challenges our authority..

If we as a nation care more about why Kattappa killed Bahubali and less about how to avenge loss of our brave soldiers we unfortunately dont deserve seat in UN security council..

Sorry if i spoke more than i should..

+100

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Prem » 02 May 2017 02:11

https://twitter.com/Defence_360/status/ ... 7484607488
The intensity of shelling is so high that the skies are lit up ...as per unofficial reports as many as 20.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby disha » 02 May 2017 02:18

Is the balloon going up? Gone up? Just curious.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Surya » 02 May 2017 02:20

BSF pulled back and Army letting loose with arty

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bart S » 02 May 2017 02:30

Prem wrote:https://twitter.com/Defence_360/status/859117377484607488
The intensity of shelling is so high that the skies are lit up ...as per unofficial reports as many as 20.


No credible source is covering that so far. I very much wish it's true, but there are too many idiots and attention seekers on social media these days so best to wait for a better source to confirm.

That picture is not of Indian artillery but US and is ripped off from here:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/201 ... opped-to-/

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Nikhil T » 02 May 2017 03:18

^ agree with above.

I wish we retaliate in a way that can't be matched. AFAIK after surgical strikes (Sep 28, 2016), there was an upswing in violence at LoC and we lost nearly 20 soldiers in next two months.
http://www.newindianexpress.com/nation/ ... 42254.html

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Cosmo_R » 02 May 2017 03:29

Stop and start and reactive never works. We have to initiate strikes and they have to be continuous. Let the pakis also worry about defense. That is how you keep your capabilities well oiled and ready.

If Dovalji has not put this strategy in place, we're sunk. Elephant/Hippo guarding against hyena attacks, Zebras admitting necessary sacrifices for the well being of the herd. It's not viable in the long term (5 years).

Not having a full time Min of Defense is also worrisome. Jet Li doesn't have what it takes.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby malushahi » 02 May 2017 04:43

https://twitter.com/gauravcsawant/statu ... 1965623300

GAURAV C SAWANT‏ @gauravcsawant

2 Pak posts that gave cover fire to Pak BAT razed to ground, army sources tell me & this is not even the beginning of India's real response

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bheeshma » 02 May 2017 05:04

A good strategy is to give targets or goals to the army. If this week you killed 5 pakis, next week it should be 10 and then 15 ..no draw down or rest. Just keep killing as many as possible.
A simple pooch. How do we know if these paki posts were occupied? Given the paki nature to run away at the slightest hint of trouble they may have decamped. I wish we hit something like battalion HQ or something inside pakjab.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Khalsa » 02 May 2017 06:29

disha wrote:Is the balloon going up? Gone up? Just curious.


No .... if the act of torturing and mutilating our soldiers in peacetime can become normal (in Pakistan (denials not counting)).
Then the act of pulverising across the LoC will be normalised (in our view and our land).

This will not be WAR.
J&K will continue to be a hot border.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Prem » 02 May 2017 06:57

This is opportunity to test ATAGS if ready even half way decent. I wish there IA figure out how top take Skardu out using artillery. May be have few special long range guns to punish Paki every night.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Pathik » 02 May 2017 07:04

ArjunPandit wrote:
DrRatnadip wrote:
If it is not economy then i dont know why GOI is not punishing pak for its sins...They encourage stone pelters, openly support separists, kill and frequently mutilate our soldiers..And we tend to punch much bellow our weight..We just lack national will to accept and absorb economic loss..I sincerly feel that every time we accept mutilated bodies of our soldiers without paying back pakis we fail as a nation..I "had " too much faith on Modi And Doval sir..But slowly that faith is going away. .More or less this is the case with many fellow indians.. We must avenge loss of our soldiers and that too in some or other visible way.. If China is blocking our bid against Hafiz Sayeed then we must target his location with brohmos.. We must kill every person who challenge us.. I genuinely feel that aircraft carriers will not earn us respect..Its will to fight for our pride , will to punish every entity who challenges our authority..

If we as a nation care more about why Kattappa killed Bahubali and less about how to avenge loss of our brave soldiers we unfortunately dont deserve seat in UN security council..

Sorry if i spoke more than i should..

+100


True. History only remembers wars and winners and no in betweens. Muh tod jawab or nothing at all. I guess the total random beheadings of indian soldiers since 47 must have crossed at least 100 in number by now

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby chetak » 02 May 2017 07:12

Khalsa wrote:
disha wrote:Is the balloon going up? Gone up? Just curious.


No .... if the act of torturing and mutilating our soldiers in peacetime can become normal (in Pakistan (denials not counting)).
Then the act of pulverising across the LoC will be normalised (in our view and our land).

This will not be WAR.
J&K will continue to be a hot border.


mutilation is a long standing barbaric islamic centuries old terror tactic.

the SOB's only understand brute strength and are cowed down only when buggered in the battle field.

Any solution based on talk and discussion only shows your fear and this encourages them to greater barbarism.

take them out where ever you see them.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Khalsa » 02 May 2017 07:38

chetak wrote:
Khalsa wrote:
No .... if the act of torturing and mutilating our soldiers in peacetime can become normal (in Pakistan (denials not counting)).
Then the act of pulverising across the LoC will be normalised (in our view and our land).

This will not be WAR.
J&K will continue to be a hot border.


mutilation is a long standing barbaric islamic centuries old terror tactic.

the SOB's only understand brute strength and are cowed down only when buggered in the battle field.

Any solution based on talk and discussion only shows your fear and this encourages them to greater barbarism.

take them out where ever you see them.


Agreed. Time to show them their rightful place, amongst their virgin-72s

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sudeepj » 02 May 2017 07:44

Killing a few mango Pakis on the border is besides the point. Since when did Paki generals care enough about their soldiers and mango people any way? Any casualty will be used to whip up even more 'hate India' campaigns and so on. In any case, we wont kill enough to make a meaningful difference and symbolic strikes serve no other purpose than propaganda. Which is better than nothing I suppose.

What we need to do is not raze the border outposts but targeted killing of the colonel of the battalion or the brigadier of the brigade that launched the attack. Kill his family. Instead of killing 5 mangos, kill 5 of the officer class that runs the show.

One well directed krasnopol shell on the battalion mess (should be at least a few in range of the newer guns) or during the morning prayer is all it takes.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby putnanja » 02 May 2017 07:57

sudeepj wrote:Killing a few mango Pakis on the border is besides the point. Since when did Paki generals care enough about their soldiers and mango people any way? Any casualty will be used to whip up even more 'hate India' campaigns and so on. In any case, we wont kill enough to make a meaningful difference and symbolic strikes serve no other purpose than propaganda. Which is better than nothing I suppose.

What we need to do is not raze the border outposts but targeted killing of the colonel of the battalion or the brigadier of the brigade that launched the attack. Kill his family. Instead of killing 5 mangos, kill 5 of the officer class that runs the show.

One well directed krasnopol shell on the battalion mess (should be at least a few in range of the newer guns) or during the morning prayer is all it takes.


Target the HQ, in Kargil we hit their Skardu HQ. If its possible again, hit it, or take out few high ranking officers, preferably brigadiers and above. Pakis have zero concerns about their own ordinary soldiers, and that has stayed true from 1971 till Kargil, where they refused to accept their dead. Their own soldiers are cannon fodder.

Target their higher officers, who come up with these tactical ideas without caring about their own at the LoC. And hit them hard, take out a few of them. Hit the HQ so that its visible, and causes deterrant. Anything less is useless as pakis themselves don't care for their non-officer soldiers.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby chetak » 02 May 2017 08:27

putnanja wrote:
sudeepj wrote:Killing a few mango Pakis on the border is besides the point. Since when did Paki generals care enough about their soldiers and mango people any way? Any casualty will be used to whip up even more 'hate India' campaigns and so on. In any case, we wont kill enough to make a meaningful difference and symbolic strikes serve no other purpose than propaganda. Which is better than nothing I suppose.

What we need to do is not raze the border outposts but targeted killing of the colonel of the battalion or the brigadier of the brigade that launched the attack. Kill his family. Instead of killing 5 mangos, kill 5 of the officer class that runs the show.

One well directed krasnopol shell on the battalion mess (should be at least a few in range of the newer guns) or during the morning prayer is all it takes.


Target the HQ, in Kargil we hit their Skardu HQ. If its possible again, hit it, or take out few high ranking officers, preferably brigadiers and above. Pakis have zero concerns about their own ordinary soldiers, and that has stayed true from 1971 till Kargil, where they refused to accept their dead. Their own soldiers are cannon fodder.

Target their higher officers, who come up with these tactical ideas without caring about their own at the LoC. And hit them hard, take out a few of them. Hit the HQ so that its visible, and causes deterrant. Anything less is useless as pakis themselves don't care for their non-officer soldiers.


every time there is some state visit, the pakis show their true colors.

They are watching you very very very carefully across the border to discern troop and patrol movement patterns, SOPs and alertness.

Why do we get caught time and again?? It's the same old story.

expressions of "kadi nindha", "time of our choosing", rinse and repeat ad nauseum.

At times like these, bring your weapons to the ready in a very obvious manner, before the visit, and unleash everything on them including the kitchen sink.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby putnanja » 02 May 2017 08:36

If I remember right, the last time such beheadings happened too, it was either the paki COAS or some higher officer visiting the LoC, just like this time. Next time, organize a fire party whenever any of their senior officers visit LoC, be proactive, and if possible take out few of their top. shameless terrorists in uniform, teach them in the language they understand

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby DrRatnadip » 02 May 2017 08:42

sudeepj wrote:Killing a few mango Pakis on the border is besides the point. Since when did Paki generals care enough about their soldiers and mango people any way? Any casualty will be used to whip up even more 'hate India' campaigns and so on. In any case, we wont kill enough to make a meaningful difference and symbolic strikes serve no other purpose than propaganda. Which is better than nothing I suppose.

What we need to do is not raze the border outposts but targeted killing of the colonel of the battalion or the brigadier of the brigade that launched the attack. Kill his family. Instead of killing 5 mangos, kill 5 of the officer class that runs the show.

One well directed krasnopol shell on the battalion mess (should be at least a few in range of the newer guns) or during the morning prayer is all it takes.


+108 sir..Massively visible responce against real planners of these BAT operations is need of hour..
Unfortunately Pakis are trying to do something similar to us ..Since artillary is punishing them hard they are reapeatedly trying to target our artilary units with ununiformed jihadis..Its time we strike fear in paki officer corps..
I have full faith in our army..Army will punish them ..I just hope this time higher officers pay for this mischief..
Also i feel articles in media like 'army given free hand" etc should be stopped.. I want pakis to cry so loud that their cries are herd in all major capitals..

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karthik S » 02 May 2017 09:12

Time to take back PoK, we have enough justification now if worrying about log kya kahenge.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby DrRatnadip » 02 May 2017 10:23

Karthik S wrote:Time to take back PoK, we have enough justification now if worrying about log kya kahenge.


That should be our ultimate goal..

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby SajeevJino » 02 May 2017 11:04



Chapter 1

India's retaliation SOP


[Sequence mode On ] Attack Happens, IA suffers causality, Govt give free hands to IA to dealt with the incident, Action Ends, Hands tied again [Sequence mode on ]

waiting for the same to repeat again

Open chapter 1 and do the Sequence mode again,

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby kmkraoind » 02 May 2017 12:06

Prem wrote:https://twitter.com/Defence_360/status/859117377484607488
The intensity of shelling is so high that the skies are lit up ...as per unofficial reports as many as 20.


Just a request. For such news, plz post the content in full. Now the original link is dead. TIA.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Marten » 02 May 2017 13:36

The fact that the link was pulled means either it is false (from a previous incident), or we are entering a soft state of war where arty will rain down death across multiple sectors (while Baki Jarnails go around the country having high tea and pretending the chaps that died deserved heaven, hoors etc.).

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Deans » 02 May 2017 14:04

I wonder if IA has moved more artillery to the LOC, since it would reasonably have judged that we are going to be in for a hot summer in
Kashmir. We need to outnumber Pak 2:1 in heavy artillery, if large scale fire assaults (which I think are is simplest way of retaliating and causing visible damage) are going to work. One of our 2 artillery divisions should be on the LOC along with our SMERSH & Pinaka regiments and the bulk of our gun locating radars & drones.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karan M » 02 May 2017 14:05

For now we have a nationalist Govt, not headed by crooks. So hope remains.

The two main things to wage decisive conflict are training & serviceability of equipment. The latter is how UPA hamstrung the forces. Now that is being addressed. Its a shame Parrikar was taken out and sent to Goa. Even so, with the ammunition restocking underway & Su-30s et al achieving decent serviceability levels, our warmaking capacity will increase. The key thing is to open the spigot to Bharat Forge et al, bypassing the near defunct OFB. Until this is done, the ammo situation will not resolve in plenty.

If this Govt is serious, there is no reason why we cannot order some 500 Dhanush & 500 of Bharat Forge's 155mm gun while ATAGs is ready. And stockpile 155mm ammo. Similar provisions for small arms to FSAPDS.

This will itself provide the depth, and fire assaults which backup to wage constant surgical strikes and lure BATs into ambushes and constantly attrit the TSPA's war making capability.

Unless this is done, we will continue to bleed.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Deans » 02 May 2017 14:18

Among non military measures, any reason why we can't to all of the following immediately:

1. Stop the Wagah border tamasha. We can do our flag ceremony, behind a closed gate.
2. End cross border trade, particularly Kashmir, which is a means to finance terrorism / stone pelting etc, by over-invoicing. (that includes
power exports, in case Capt is still in love with Pak).
3. Visas reduced to a trickle (e.g. for unavoidable Pak govt delegations).
4. Stop PIA from operating in India - its a 9/11 waiting to happen.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Karthik S » 02 May 2017 14:20

First declare pak a terrorist state. RS MP Rajiv C brought in private member bill to declare pak that, but it didn't pass.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 02 May 2017 14:50

Most of the Paki attacks, which might force GoI to act happens in the second half of a year.

A attack in May(Kalkauck attack 2002) means the deserts are super hot. It will rain soon and the Kutch area will be swamped, fundamentally restricting India reaction in mountains where the passes will be clearing.

A attack in July (Mumbai train bombing) heavy rainy session... again restricting action to J&k mountains.

An attack in Sep/Oct/Nov/Dec (26/11, Parliament, Aksradam, J&K Assembly) means passes closed, kutch swamped, restricting major across IB desert & Punjab. Generally these months are when there is major Paki terror attack.

So Pakis try to restrict Indian response to particular region, so as to concentrate their forces.

This attack seems to be trying to tie us in a knot similar to the Bangladesh incident, where Hasina was in power and BDR killed our troops. Modi seems to be doing some back channel with Nawaz directly and PA hit two birds with a stone. Modi will be pressurized to act, but to keep the back channel going he has to hold himself off. Nawaz would have to respond, if Modi acts there by negating the back channel.

Ofcourse we are idiots, who fall for this Nawaz PA game. Nawaz acts like the loser who wants peace, allowing PA to constantly attack us. GoI goes extra length trying save the back channel.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 02 May 2017 15:01

One thing I am yet to understand is how are Pakis able to maintain conflict (even low level) against India, Afghanistan, Iranian border, Baluchistan & Waristan.

How come Pakis are able to beg/borrow/manufacture ammo for 5 fronts? while we crib all the time.

It sounds so bizzare that India which haven't fought a major war since 2003 is always short of ammo, while the bl***dy Pakis have been bombing & killing thousands since years and yet have time to needle a country having 8 times it's GDP.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby fanne » 02 May 2017 15:22

Because in tsp the army has a country.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bart S » 02 May 2017 15:32

nam wrote:One thing I am yet to understand is how are Pakis able to maintain conflict (even low level) against India, Afghanistan, Iranian border, Baluchistan & Waristan.

How come Pakis are able to beg/borrow/manufacture ammo for 5 fronts? while we crib all the time.

It sounds so bizzare that India which haven't fought a major war since 2003 is always short of ammo, while the bl***dy Pakis have been bombing & killing thousands since years and yet have time to needle a country having 8 times it's GDP.


Several reasons for that:
1> Our production agencies for the most part are unionized socialist hellholes where productivity goes to die, and no GOI or political party seems to have the b@lls to tackle that fundamental problem
2> Production of weapons in Poakistan is given top priority and everything is directly fasttracked
3> While we are planning for war wastages etc, all they are doing really is equipping themselves for terrorism and low-grade guerilla warfare. Much simpler to do.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 02 May 2017 15:52

Bart S wrote:Several reasons for that:
1> Our production agencies for the most part are unionized socialist hellholes where productivity goes to die, and no GOI or political party seems to have the b@lls to tackle that fundamental problem
2> Production of weapons in Poakistan is given top priority and everything is directly fasttracked
3> While we are planning for war wastages etc, all they are doing really is equipping themselves for terrorism and low-grade guerilla warfare. Much simpler to do.


I just checked wiki, POF has 27K employees, OFB has 164K. ratio of 6:1. PA maintains approximate 50% of our force level. Even if OFB has 1/6 the productivity it should be able to produce the same amount as POF i.e. to equip a army of 500K. So POF at 1/6 the workforce is able to sustain a 500K army of 250B GDP for constant fights in 5 fronts and we can't do one?

If IA wants OFB to produce X and they deliver .25X, then we assume in fours years they will reach X. Even if we assume training & ops use of 50% of .25X, then in eight years we should have unused stock of X. Given that war can happen anytime, IA will make it utmost to maintain stocks.

Ofcourse this is a simple calculation, where shelf life is not considered.

We haven't had a full fledge conflict for 14 years. Where did all the ammo go?

The same OFB was able to equip IA for a two front, full fledge war in 71 within a year. The same OFB is not able to do it now?

Personal view shortage of ammo preventing a response is nonsense.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bart S » 02 May 2017 19:16

nam wrote:
Bart S wrote:Several reasons for that:
1> Our production agencies for the most part are unionized socialist hellholes where productivity goes to die, and no GOI or political party seems to have the b@lls to tackle that fundamental problem
2> Production of weapons in Poakistan is given top priority and everything is directly fasttracked
3> While we are planning for war wastages etc, all they are doing really is equipping themselves for terrorism and low-grade guerilla warfare. Much simpler to do.


I just checked wiki, POF has 27K employees, OFB has 164K. ratio of 6:1. PA maintains approximate 50% of our force level. Even if OFB has 1/6 the productivity it should be able to produce the same amount as POF i.e. to equip a army of 500K. So POF at 1/6 the workforce is able to sustain a 500K army of 250B GDP for constant fights in 5 fronts and we can't do one?

If IA wants OFB to produce X and they deliver .25X, then we assume in fours years they will reach X. Even if we assume training & ops use of 50% of .25X, then in eight years we should have unused stock of X. Given that war can happen anytime, IA will make it utmost to maintain stocks.

Ofcourse this is a simple calculation, where shelf life is not considered.

We haven't had a full fledge conflict for 14 years. Where did all the ammo go?

The same OFB was able to equip IA for a two front, full fledge war in 71 within a year. The same OFB is not able to do it now?

Personal view shortage of ammo preventing a response is nonsense.


I agree with you to the extent that there is lack of political will and the rest are excuses. In addition, the issue with the OFB is tactical in nature, the bigger issue is at the strategic level with the political leadership over the last few decades who have at best neglected to fix the issues and at worst probably knowingly let the issues remain as a way of sabotaging our warfighting ability. India of 1971 was led by IG (who despite all her flaws could take tough decisions) and we had just come off some hard knocks in the preceding decade due to which the complacency was not as much as it is today.

However, in addition to all of that I think we do really have an issue with availability of arms and ammo for a full-fledged war, and more importantly the infrastructure and means to churn out the stuff locally for an extended war.


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