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India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Khalsa » 19 Jul 2017 03:20

sudeepj wrote:Hanut Singh, Sagat Singh, Harbaksh Singh, J.F.R Jacob.. Sons of the soil delivered victories to India, but a different kind of general was promoted for PR purposes.


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Raja Bose » 19 Jul 2017 06:09

rkirankr wrote:some duniya news on twitter reporting china fired rockets at Indian positions. Gaurav Arya has denied it happened


There are a lot of fake news images circulating among social media groups in Sikkim showing images of what look like IA stallion trucks gutted in an apparently Chinese barrage of fire. Our mir jafars are in full flow.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 19 Jul 2017 16:52

Why is Chinese making such a song and dance about threatening India. Seems to be morre with Paki morale, looks the Paki comments and false news on Indian casualties.

This more looks like a attempt to create a diversion since the Pakis seem to screwed baddly at the LOC.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/china-moved-huge-military-hardware-into-tibet-after-sikkim-standoff-report/articleshow/59665316.cms


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby VinodTK » 19 Jul 2017 17:42

Aditya_V wrote:Why is Chinese making such a song and dance about threatening India. Seems to be morre with Paki morale, looks the Paki comments and false news on Indian casualties.

This more looks like a attempt to create a diversion since the Pakis seem to screwed baddly at the LOC.

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/china-moved-huge-military-hardware-into-tibet-after-sikkim-standoff-report/articleshow/59665316.cms

I am not sure if China would go to this extent for Pakistan. In the past India, Pakistan crises China made verbal statements and did not move any of its assets. I feel this time around it is China acting on behalf of China.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sum » 20 Jul 2017 15:00

Read Live mint article which confirms that the 5 hallaled in drowning were a BAT team which was ambushed by SF.
COAS has given go ahead to activively hunt BATs within PoK territory and many further such actions will happen soon

Also, massive fire assult underway and 14 PA KIA as per DFI reliable postors. The Indian HC was summoned again today to protest this new massive assault ongoing as punitive punishment for 2 jawans sniped

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Narad » 20 Jul 2017 16:14

sum wrote:Read Live mint article which confirms that the 5 hallaled in drowning were a BAT team

Sir please share the link. Thanks

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shaun » 20 Jul 2017 16:18

Narad wrote:
sum wrote:Read Live mint article which confirms that the 5 hallaled in drowning were a BAT team

Sir please share the link. Thanks

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/GX...l ... trike.html

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby DrRatnadip » 20 Jul 2017 18:48

shaun wrote:
Narad wrote:Sir please share the link. Thanks

http://www.livemint.com/Politics/GX...l ... trike.html

Page is not available.. :?:

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby salaam » 20 Jul 2017 19:28

DrRatnadip wrote:

Page is not available.. :?:


http://www.livemint.com/Politics/GXNeTxBJFbij9Y7yshCNVP/Indian-Army-kills-five-Pakistani-soldiers-in-LoC-strike.html

"The Indian Army’s special forces in Kashmir on Wednesday eliminated a Pakistani Border Action Team (BAT) of five enemy soldiers, a government official said"

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Lisa » 20 Jul 2017 19:37

Date of the above article is

Last Published: Thu, Jun 01 2017. 05 03 AM IST

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 22 Jul 2017 15:47

For records

http://www.dailyexcelsior.com/another-a ... tyred-loc/

...

Meanwhile, Defence Minister Arun Jaitley said that India has inflicted heavy losses on Pakistan side during cross-LoC shelling and firing in Jammu and Kashmir.

“We have taught Pakistan a lesson. They have been given befitting response. There have been massive losses on Pakistan side. I can’t tell everything here,” Jaitley said in the Parliament while replying to members’ concerned.

“Pakistan has been taught such a lesson, which was never given in the history,” he said.

Jaitley’s statement came close on heels of the reports that several Pakistan army jawans were killed and injured while their bunkers and posts were destroyed in retaliatory action undertaken by the Indian Army during past few days in Nowshera and Manjakote sectors of Rajouri district and Balakote, Mendhar, Sabjian and Shahpur sectors of Poonch district.
India lost three Army soldiers and a civilian in the shelling this week.

There have been reports that nine posts and bunkers of Pakistan army were completely decimated in retaliatory action undertaken by the Indian troops in the two border districts of Rajouri and Poonch.

...


Pakistan's advantage is that it has in place full media censure on their casualties. Thanks to Social Media some stuff is leaking out but the situation is not too different from the way it was in 90s.

Its a very peculiar strategy, which in a sense works for them:

1. Deny or outright lie about your losses.
2. Believe your own lies to be the truth.

Thus, never learn any lessons from it and continue the way things are.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby pandyan » 24 Jul 2017 04:41

Excellent talk by Col Lalit Rai and great background on history, people, topography of Jammu & Kashmir. Watched this for the first time.
Colonel Lalit Rai’s sterling account of the role played by his battalion in the icy heights of Khalubar, coupled with first hand accounts of daring, death and triumph moved the 1200+ audience to tears. It was particularly poignant that General Thimayya had 50 years earlier in 1949 played an equally stellar role in Kargil.

Posting here because of relevance to recent discussions on hardship (With examples) faced by armed forces. His speech starts around 38 minutes.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Rajesh_MR » 24 Jul 2017 05:37

^^^ Listened to Col Lalit Rai at work few months ago at work. Only a fauji can narrate life, valor and death as a matter of fact

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby pandyan » 24 Jul 2017 06:11

+1.

Thanks to @Yusufdfi for tweeting about this speech.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bishwa » 25 Jul 2017 06:36

https://www.facebook.com/shatrujeet009/ ... =3&theater

Shatrujeet posted this pic of the pakistani army truck that was shot and fell into the Neelam/Kishenganga river resulting in 4 or 5 casualties. It is a Hino truck

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 25 Jul 2017 08:08

^^A truck that size fell into a swollen river and only 5 casualties? Usually it carries more troops doesn't it?

Wonder if Bakis are upto their usual mischief and under-reporting the numbers.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Rahul M » 25 Jul 2017 08:43

must be officers. the rest don't matter to the TFTA RAPE afsars of TSPA.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby sum » 25 Jul 2017 09:39

^^ As per the Daily excelsior report, it was a BAT team. So the other folks in the truck might be "nonstate actors" and hence, not counted, only the officers/SSG folks would get that honour.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bala Vignesh » 25 Jul 2017 13:34

Is it just me or does it look very similar to our stallion??

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 25 Jul 2017 13:46

It is just you, yes Stallion has some o the Features but shape of the cabin , the drive rod is in the center not the side etc are different. The other thing is the Pakis don't have the technological ability to manufacture thier own vehicle or design thier own small arms but talk of ready to deploy CM's and BM's at short notice.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 25 Jul 2017 23:21

Aditya_V wrote:It is just you, yes Stallion has some o the Features but shape of the cabin , the drive rod is in the center not the side etc are different. The other thing is the Pakis don't have the technological ability to manufacture thier own vehicle or design thier own small arms but talk of ready to deploy CM's and BM's at short notice.


Havent checked but aren't Hino and Stallion british Leyland products? Maybe that explains common design heritage.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Bart S » 26 Jul 2017 01:22

Hino is Japanese and has nothing to do with British Leyland which is now defunct and Leyland Trucks which is basically an assembly operation for DAF/Paccar. Ashok Leyland's stallion is their own design, the only link with Hino is that they used to license some engines from Hino a while back.

But yes, most trucks around the world look rather similar from a distance, the pimped out American 18-wheelers (Peterbilt etc) probably the only exception

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vivek Kumar » 30 Jul 2017 22:50

Kind of video that'll warm cockles of a Rakshak's heart. Talking to pakis in a language they understand. Seems somewhere along LoC. No dearth of ammunition there, you see :rotfl:

https://www.facebook.com/CanadaPunjab.Com1/videos/2005918769694371/

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby DrRatnadip » 12 Aug 2017 23:09

http://m.timesofindia.com/india/one-jaw ... 036261.cms

One jawan martyred, another injured as Pakistan violates ceasefire in Poonch

NEW DELHI: An Army soldier was martyred while another was critically injured as Pakistan violated ceasefire on Saturday by shelling mortars and firing on forward posts along the LoC in Poonch district of Jammu and Kashmir.
The Indian Army retaliated strongly to the ceasefire violation.
"One jawan was martyred, and another one was critically injured during ceasefire violations by Pakistani troops," a senior Army official said.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby DrRatnadip » 12 Aug 2017 23:12

Vivek Kumar wrote:Kind of video that'll warm cockles of a Rakshak's heart. Talking to pakis in a language they understand. Seems somewhere along LoC. No dearth of ammunition there, you see :rotfl:

https://www.facebook.com/CanadaPunjab.Com1/videos/2005918769694371/

Thanks for posting that video..I wish we could see pakis running , hiding and getting 72 virgins due to this rain of fire.. :twisted: :twisted:

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby DrRatnadip » 14 Aug 2017 14:54

http://m.economictimes.com/news/defence ... 044263.cms

Israel fence systems, quick response team at Pakistan borders: BSF DG

NEW DELHI: India is deploying along its volatile border with Pakistan a smart Israel-developed fencing system having a 'quick response team' mechanism which strikes when the CCTV-powered control room detects an infiltration attempt.

The BSF is implementing an ambitious project called the comprehensive integrated border management system (CIBMS) as part of the Narendra Modi government's plan to completely seal the Indo-Pak and India-Bangladesh borders in the next few years.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Singha » 14 Aug 2017 15:29

looks like a well run 81mm mortar crew can release one round every 3 seconds per tube. thats nearly 20 a minute. they can quickly plaster an area

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Gaur » 14 Aug 2017 17:32

Vivek Kumar wrote:Kind of video that'll warm cockles of a Rakshak's heart. Talking to pakis in a language they understand. Seems somewhere along LoC. No dearth of ammunition there, you see :rotfl:

https://www.facebook.com/CanadaPunjab.Com1/videos/2005918769694371/


Doesn't look like Kashmir to me. Looks more like Artillery School at Deolali, Maharashtra.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 14 Aug 2017 17:41

If we could use this amount of rounds in training, why do we keep hearing about ammo shortages?

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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