India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 01 Mar 2018 11:38

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What's up with our senior officers calling for "dialogue" with Pakistan, including Pakistani military?

First it was General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Army Training Command (ARTRAC), Lt Gen M M Naravane

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... e-5080953/

Lt Gen Naravane said that by virtue of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor passing through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, China has ‘willy-nilly’ become a third party to the J&K dispute despite India’s objections.
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Referring to the ongoing ceasefire violations on the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Army Training Command (ARTRAC), Lt Gen M M Naravane on Tuesday said that it will be difficult to restore peace on the border at tactical level, and that a lasting peace with Pakistan can only be found at the negotiating table.

Lt Gen Naravane said 2017 was the worst year in ceasefire violations, and the first two months of 2018 were no better. “Peace on border is difficult to achieve at tactical level alone. Restoring ceasefire requires statesmanship, not brinkmanship,” he said.

Addressing a seminar on “Emerging geo-strategic manifestations in Pakistan — Implications for India” at Panjab University, the Army Commander said that both India and Pakistan have been aggressively pursuing a policy of unrelenting tit-for-tat for the last few years. “But we need to analyse what will be the end result of this approach,” he said. “Kashmir still remains far from normal despite the strategy of matching response being followed by both nations. Be that as it may, there is no shying away from the fact that a lasting peace can only be found at the negotiating table.”

On the way ahead, Lt Gen Naravane said India will have to continue to act with a sense of responsibility, expected of a regional power, while trying to achieve a unanimity of purpose with regard to the policy with Pakistan.
The Army Commander said that Pakistan is like a mirror on the wall. “We need to look at it and not make the same mistakes, particularly in light of growing radicalisation and intolerance within our own society over mundane issues,” he said.:shock:


And then we have Lt Gen Surinder Singh, the General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Western Command, almost echoing his statements

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... l-5082346/

"I think this can be worked out. If we can improve our relations with China, we can develop the best possible leverage with Pakistan in times to come,” Lt Gen Singh said.
Does Gen. sa'ab really believe that?

“It will also help us secure one side of the border. People keep talking about a two-front war. It is never a good idea, never a smart idea to fight a two-front war,” he said. He added that there were various options, including re-negotiating some treaties, to bring about some pressure on Pakistan.

“In Pakistan, military’s writ runs. Therefore, sooner or later, we have to talk to their military. I am convinced that on our side also, military diplomacy plays a very important role. Therefore, there has to be a greater role to military diplomacy so that the militaries of the two nations can work with each other and bring about greater confidence in each other and we can go forward,” he said.

Referring to China, the Army commander said the relations were manageable. “There is not that sort of enmity, from people to people or from entire polity on one side and the polity on the other side. There are differences on demarcation of borders. I think this can be worked out. If we can improve our relations with China, we can develop the best possible leverage with Pakistan in times to come,” Lt Gen Singh added. “Working with China will secure one side of border,” he said.

The general also emphasised that Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence had reduced the window for conventional conflict.
“You can only push them conventionally to a limit and not beyond that. And no nuclear nation can be browbeaten beyond a particular stage. It is for that nation to lay down the red lines as to what is the limit of the punishment they will take,” he said.

Referring to the possibility of a conventional conflict with Pakistan, Lt Gen Singh said, “Sometimes, conventional conflict does not take place because you can achieve any great military objective but because at times you can get pushed into the conflict due to public opinion. Therefore, sometimes it becomes the case of tail wagging the dog.”


It seems the two senior generals are actually contradicting their COAS's previous statements about being prepared for a two-front war and calling Pakistan's bluff.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby yensoy » 01 Mar 2018 12:06

^^^^ The point about improving relations with China is valid. How do you think FATF greylist took place? We are in a geopolitical competition with China but there is no civilizational hatred (actually there is grudging admiration on both sides). We can on the one hand keep our military focus on China, yet on the other hand develop commercial and other relations to tide over the trust deficit (and hopefully trade deficit). If you think that is not possible, please look at the deeply conflicting relations China has with South Korea, Japan and the United States, and to an extent even with Russia.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Prasad » 01 Mar 2018 13:18

The chinese will rollover you if you don't stand up for yourself. Economy-wise and military-wise. In the FATF case, they were willing to let loose a poodle to gain a concession from US & India. It wasn't out of charity but plain quid pro quo.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby rkhanna » 01 Mar 2018 13:22

^^^ Sorry but honestly even Modi would not have the stomach to Proactively engage Pakistan in a full military Conflict. India simply cannot afford it. a Repeat of 1971 could easily put a massive hole in our treasury. The present govt is already feeling the pinch with the Fisc widening. Imagine what a war will do.

can we fight the war thrust upon us - yes. but we will not want to start one. NO govt going into re-election can afford a war.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby yensoy » 01 Mar 2018 14:03

Prasad wrote:The chinese will rollover you if you don't stand up for yourself. Economy-wise and military-wise. In the FATF case, they were willing to let loose a poodle to gain a concession from US & India. It wasn't out of charity but plain quid pro quo.


Yeah so how does that contradict with what I said? Of course we better stand up for ourselves. Please, don't make strawmen arguments.

This is not Chacha Nehru diplomacy. This is iron fist velvet glove diplomacy, which is the only thing that works. The learned General is reminding us of velvet glove part which the media in its living room belligerence has conveniently forgotten.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 01 Mar 2018 18:55

Things have been awfully quiet in the Media over the past few days, I hope we give the Pakis a surprise with count of Uniformed Jihadi Body bags. Hope its not business back to usual until they are upto thier nasty habits again.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby TKiran » 01 Mar 2018 20:17

Aditya_V, that is a good observation. ISI has only one objective "to bleed India with thousand cuts". They have been steadfast in their objective. But they also have another objective, "not to provoke India to retaliate". Thus they were controlling the terror tap till recently till about 2015.

But for some inexplicable reason, they changed their tactics to attack army. That is not ISI's tactic. Because now what is happening is that, Pakistan is with thousand cuts.

The immediate suspicion comes that may be China infiltrated ISI so much so that they are on suicidal mission right now. If the situation continues, Pakistan will not survive very long. But I am not sure about China infiltration of ISI.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 01 Mar 2018 23:51

The general also emphasized that Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence had reduced the window for conventional conflict.
“You can only push them conventionally to a limit and not beyond that. And no nuclear nation can be browbeaten beyond a particular stage. It is for that nation to lay down the red lines as to what is the limit of the punishment they will take,” he said.


Wouldn't this apply to India as well.. since we are a nuke power?

Now who in Pakistan will decide it has been punished enough? Given that Pakistan does not declare it's causalities on LoC, how can it laid down it's red lines? If it declared it's true casualities, then Pak will under tremendous pressure to laid down the "red line" and retaliate with it's crown jewels.

For all we know PA soldiers cannot be killed, because of jin power. So you cannot punish Pakistan.

So what can India do. We keep hammering them hard. Because Paki soldiers don't die, which is in a way good for us.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 02 Mar 2018 06:29

nam wrote:Given that Pakistan does not declare it's causalities on LoC, how can it laid down it's red lines?


Publicly they do not, but the casualties are admitted now and then

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/92 ... mu-Kashmir

“The Director General, Dr Mohammad Faisal, summoned the Indian Deputy High Commissioner Mr J.P. Singh today and condemned the unprovoked ceasefire violations by the Indian occupation forces along the Line of Control on 27 February 2018 in the Nikial Sector resulting in the Shahadat (martyrdom) of a 13-year-old boy.”

The ministry claimed that India was behind 400 violations this year alone along the LoC and Working Boundary that separates the two South Asian nations.

It added that 18 citizens have been killed and 68 have been injured due to attacks across the border.
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Retired Pakistani soldier, Fayaz Ahmad, declared that he heard announcements promising revenge over loudspeakers.

He declared: “They said that India has killed many of our soldiers, we will take revenge for it after we bury our dead today.

"People are advised to take safety precautions.”


They are not admitting their casualties publicly, but internally and locally they attempting to assuage feelings by promising retribution for their fauji being dispatched to hell.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby yensoy » 02 Mar 2018 06:48

There is also the fact that these casualties are taking place along the LoC or IB in Occupied Kashmir or other hard to reach areas, and together with the general clampdown in PoK, the media perception can be managed very well to suit the Paki narrative.

If we take the war to the plains of Punjab, it will be out in the open for the whole world to see, and there won't be any fig leaf of cover available to the establishment. This may or may not force them to retaliate with nukes, however the operating assumption/scenario would be different from what it is today.

So we can party on along the LoC - that is clearly established now - but we need to consider the implications of hitting other areas.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 02 Mar 2018 15:37

Kashi wrote:Publicly they do not, but the casualties are admitted now and then.


They don't publicly announce their losses is precisely to not to be under pressure to retaliate. The reason they denied surgical strikes. Why would PA go for a fight when it's people have not asked for it?

It has created the nuke bogeyman, where Pak abduls will ask for nuke attack even if we steal their briyani. As long as the amm abdul is blissly unaware of the losses this can go on.


We keep hammering them, announce we attacked. PA will deny it, amm abdul will believe that kafir is lying. It is perfect for us.

This is our version of sub-conventional warfare.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 02 Mar 2018 15:52

yensoy wrote:There is also the fact that these casualties are taking place along the LoC or IB in Occupied Kashmir


There's no PoK on the other side of the IB. It's Sialkot in Pakistani Punjab. A lot of casualties have been inflicted there as well and readily suppressed by the authorities.

Pakistan's abilities to deny and "absorb" casualties cannot be understated.

As nam pointed out, it is chiefly done to avoid a loss of face and having to retaliate to restore the ghairat

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 02 Mar 2018 15:57

Another reason they cannot loose face is they rule by the danda, look at what they have done to Miranshah, carpet bombed their own population, I am sure the local population is looking for revenge but is afraid of invincibility myths Paki army has created for itself. Being beaten by lowly Kafir's will open a Pandora's box with Pathan's baying for some serious revenge.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby yensoy » 02 Mar 2018 20:53

Kashi wrote:
yensoy wrote:There is also the fact that these casualties are taking place along the LoC or IB in Occupied Kashmir


There's no PoK on the other side of the IB. It's Sialkot in Pakistani Punjab. A lot of casualties have been inflicted there as well and readily suppressed by the authorities.

Pakistan's abilities to deny and "absorb" casualties cannot be understated.

As nam pointed out, it is chiefly done to avoid a loss of face and having to retaliate to restore the ghairat


Ha ha, when I wrote my reply I was expecting someone to pick up on this which is why also wrote "hard to reach areas" so if you quoted the full context you wouldn't pick on this. Anyway the fact is that IB across from Jammu and LoC is a no-go area in Pakistan - in particular for media and as you correctly say the casualty count is being suppressed. If we did the same in say Lahore area, that would blow up in public provoking a potentially irrational response from Pakis.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 03 Mar 2018 07:03

yensoy wrote: Anyway the fact is that IB across from Jammu and LoC is a no-go area in Pakistan - in particular for media and as you correctly say the casualty count is being suppressed.


Sialkot is not really a no go area, it's one of the larger urban settlements in Pakistan with quite a few factories producing sporting goods (footballs in particular that were famously "used" in the world cup) and surgical instruments (that the UK NHS keeps using and running into all sorts of quality issues) and it's not very far from the IB- Wiki tells me that it is the 12th most populous city in Pakistan. In such areas, information doesn't usually stay hidden for long, it finds a way to get out and quickly disseminate.

Even in such areas Pakis have been able to suppress the true extent of their casualties? Why? Not just because they do not want to lose face and be forced into an untenable sitution, but the mango Abdul and Ayesha also do not wish to acknowledge that their much vaunted fauj is taking a heavy beating on the border.

Why? Because they do not want to and the odd ones who may wish to do so, are quickly shouted down or intimidated in the name of deen and ghairat and find themselves quickly isolated. This is because accepting the true state of things by acknowledging these casualties is just not in their nature. If they do, the whole edifice of the mythical superiority of the mard-e-momin over the SDREs will come crashing down, precariously placed as it is. This is a country where lying is a second nature and all the idaare and the aawam have learned to blame everyone but themselves for their woes and for their sorry state of affairs.

Do remember, this is the same country where most people still believe that Pakistan won all the wars between India and Pakistan, because that is what they want to believe. Lahoris who were relentlessly and famously pounded and bombed in 1965 war, are amongst the most vociferous in claiming the mythical victories over India in 1965.- ditto for Karachiites, whose harbour was lit up by IN and IAF.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby AlapArya » 03 Mar 2018 21:38

https://www.thestatesman.com/india/pak-army-violates-ceasefire-day-after-summoning-indian-envoy-1502594911.html

Pakistani Army resorted to unprovoked firing along the Line of Control (LoC) in Rajouri sector in Jammu-Kashmir. The violation comes a day after Pakistan summoned the India’s envoy to Pakistan to complain against ‘unprovoked firing’.

According to reports, houses in Rajouri received extensive damage due to the ceasefire violation by Pakistan on Saturday, 3 March.

Indian Army was reportedly retaliating effectively to the violation by the Pakistani Rangers.

This is the second violation by Pakistan on the same day. A civilian was injured in Nowshera due to indiscriminate firing of small arms, automatics and mortars.

On Friday, 2 March, Islamabad summoned the Deputy High Commissioner JP Singh for the second consecutive day over the “unprovoked firing by Indian troops” along the LoC.

The Pakistani Foreign Office claimed that the firing led to the death of a civilian and injured his wife and son.

Islamabad accused India of carrying out more than 415 ceasefire violations along the LoC and the Working Boundary so far in 2018 resulting in the killings of 20 civilians and injuries to 71 others.

Four Pakistani soldiers were killed and as many Indians were injured, including two army men and two civilians, in border hostilities in Jammu and Kashmir in the last 48 hours.

India has said that four Pakistani soldiers were killed in retaliation on the LoC in Poonch and Rajouri districts in 48 hours since Thursday, 1 March.

“The Pakistani Army has been using 120 mm and 82 mm mortars to target defence and civilians facilities. Two of our soldiers and two civilians were injured during this period in Pakistan shelling and firing,” sources reportedly told IANS.

At least half a dozen residential structures have been damaged completely or partially in the shelling.


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 04 Mar 2018 01:57

Kashi wrote:
yensoy wrote: Anyway the fact is that IB across from Jammu and LoC is a no-go area in Pakistan - in particular for media and as you correctly say the casualty count is being suppressed.


Sialkot is not really a no go area, it's one of the larger urban settlements in Pakistan with quite a few factories producing sporting goods (footballs in particular that were famously "used" in the world cup) and surgical instruments (that the UK NHS keeps using and running into all sorts of quality issues) and it's not very far from the IB- Wiki tells me that it is the 12th most populous city in Pakistan. In such areas, information doesn't usually stay hidden for long, it finds a way to get out and quickly disseminate.

Even in such areas Pakis have been able to suppress the true extent of their casualties? Why? Not just because they do not want to lose face and be forced into an untenable sitution, but the mango Abdul and Ayesha also do not wish to acknowledge that their much vaunted fauj is taking a heavy beating on the border.

Why? Because they do not want to and the odd ones who may wish to do so, are quickly shouted down or intimidated in the name of deen and ghairat and find themselves quickly isolated. This is because accepting the true state of things by acknowledging these casualties is just not in their nature. If they do, the whole edifice of the mythical superiority of the mard-e-momin over the SDREs will come crashing down, precariously placed as it is. This is a country where lying is a second nature and all the idaare and the aawam have learned to blame everyone but themselves for their woes and for their sorry state of affairs.

Do remember, this is the same country where most people still believe that Pakistan won all the wars between India and Pakistan, because that is what they want to believe. Lahoris who were relentlessly and famously pounded and bombed in 1965 war, are amongst the most vociferous in claiming the mythical victories over India in 1965.- ditto for Karachiites, whose harbour was lit up by IN and IAF.


Correct. How can the sword of Islam ever loose....if they acknowledge this it will be an existential crisis for the state and the ideology.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby nam » 04 Mar 2018 04:40

Paks are pastmaster in hiding casualties. There is no public record of PA losses during the Afghan war with soviets, although regulars and ssg were heavily involved.

Nor any figures on support to tabilan against northern alliance and the recent fights with Americans.

Thousands must have died in these adventures, yet no record at all.

Fascinating how they hid such large casualties.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby shiv » 04 Mar 2018 06:52

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Correct. How can the sword of Islam ever loose....if they acknowledge this it will be an existential crisis for the state and the ideology.

Dead right. Islam cannot fail - only men can fail and to succeed they need more Islam, more piety, more sharia

Naipaul wrote
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back to the faith. The state had been founded as a
homeland for Muslims. If the state failed it wasn't
because the dream was flawed, or the faith flawed; it
could only be because men had failed the faith.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby salaam » 04 Mar 2018 10:20

Heard that Tatta Pani bridge and police station has been targeted recently.

There is unprecedented exodus from the border areas in pok. PkSena is facing huge issues due to loss of human shield.

Do keep in mind that India has no population within five kms of this sector.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Kashi » 04 Mar 2018 13:55

salaam wrote:Heard that Tatta Pani bridge and police station has been targeted recently.

There is unprecedented exodus from the border areas in pok. PkSena is facing huge issues due to loss of human shield.

Do keep in mind that India has no population within five kms of this sector.


This video has a discussion about the state of things on PoK side, they do mention Thatta Pani bridge and Police station being targetted

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6AyN_2D5JE



~ 1:58 a local politico over phone says that Thatta Pani bridge and police station have been targeted. Says that Indian firing has targeted a wide swath across the LoC.

~ 8:28 Says about 5 lakh people live along the Paki side of the LoC.

Noteworthy that NONE of the panelists are talking about "befitting reply" the fauji response. They are calling for an immediate ceasefire or at least evacuation of all afraad along the LoC.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Sumair » 04 Mar 2018 20:23

listen to the POK based politician 9 minutes on wards. He clearly admits to the necessity of the civilians on the LOC to prevent the Indian army from rolling over.They are using civilians as human shield, and thus the propaganda of civilian casualties to foreign envoys. Inadvertent admission, needs to be highlighted. Pak army needs the civilians to protect it from India.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 04 Mar 2018 22:10

In case of LoC, a lot of casualties are from Mujahid regiment, which is technically not a regiment of the Pak Army but their equiv of Territorial Army.

This probably helps them hide the casualties.

nam wrote:Paks are pastmaster in hiding casualties. There is no public record of PA losses during the Afghan war with soviets, although regulars and ssg were heavily involved.

Nor any figures on support to tabilan against northern alliance and the recent fights with Americans.

Thousands must have died in these adventures, yet no record at all.

Fascinating how they hid such large casualties.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vasu » 06 Mar 2018 14:36

Probably relevant for multiple threads, but clearly a big leg up from border security POV as well.

IAF's Dornier aircraft lands at Pakyong airport

The first aircraft landed today at the newly-constructed greenfield Pakyong airport in Sikkim, an airport official said.

The IAF aircraft was a fixed wing 19-seater Dornier 228 and it was learnt that all the systems worked well.

"This is a historic day for Sikkim. A 19-seater Dornier 228 aircraft landed successfully at 3:25 pm today at Pakyong Airport," Chief Secretary A K Srivastava said.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vips » 03 Apr 2018 02:51

Pilot project of CIBMS along Indo-Pak border in Jammu and Kashmir to be completed by April end: BSF.

Two pilot projects of Comprehensive Integrated Border Management System (CIBMS) in sectors along nearly 200 km long International Border (IB) will be completed by April end, DG BSF K K Sharma said.

CIBMS is an integration of a number of new gadgets and technologies to ensure electronic surveillance of borders.

"The two pilot projects of 5.5 and 5.3 kilometer of stretches each are nearing completion. I am hopeful that by the end of April, both these patches will be complete for the inauguration," Sharma told .

These provide feeds to BSF personnel at the border outposts, where monitors would be installed. In case of a threat, quick reaction BSF teams will intervene and neutralise it.

The BSF chief expressed hope that it will be able to plug the gaps in "vulnerable areas" along the country's borders with Pakistan and Bangladesh in the next three to five years.

He said that the BSF plans to put up a CIBMS in areas along the Indo-Pak and India-Bangladesh border, where it is difficult to put up a fence due to the nature of the terrain as well as check cross-border infiltration and smuggling.

The BSF has decided to go ahead on construction of 10-meter high wall cum embankment along IB in Jammu frontier after much delay.

The Central government had begun the process of building a wall 10 meters high and 190 km long IB to prevent infiltration, and protect locals from shelling across the border in 2016

The wall, called border embankment for strategic reasons, will be built along the 110 km stretch of the Kathua-Jammu region is going to be 135 feet wide. A proposal to construct 80 additional border posts has also been approved.

Out of 118 villages in the districts of Kathua, Samba and Jammu, authorities have completed land acquisition in 106 villages. In all over 1,600 acres of land is being procured at a cost of Rs 104 crore.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby arun » 19 Apr 2018 16:46

X Posted from the Army strikes terror camps in PoK thread.

Pakistan was informed of 2016 surgical strikes before announcing to Indian media, says PM Modi in London :

IANS

Predictably the Mohammadden Terrorism Fomenting Islamic Republic of Pakistan continues to deny:

Pakistan again denies surgical strikes across LoC, calls PM Modi's claims false and baseless

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby jaysimha » 30 May 2018 10:37

Ministry of Defence
DGMO Level Talks on Hotline for Ceasefire Implementation
Posted On: 29 MAY 2018 8:40PM by PIB Delhi
The existing Hotline mechanism was initiated by Pakistan’s DGMO at 1800 hours (IST). Both the DGsMO reviewed the prevailing situation along the Line of Control and International Border in J&K. Indian Army DGMO agreed with the proposal to undertake sincere measures to improve the existing situation to ensure peace and avoidance of hardships to the civilians along the borders.

Both the DGsMO agreed to fully implement the Ceasefire Understanding of 2003 in letter and spirit forthwith and to ensure that henceforth, the Ceasefire will not be violated by both sides. It was also mutually agreed that in case of any issue, restraint will be exercised and the matter will be resolved through utilisation of existing mechanisms of Hotline Contacts and Border Flag Meetings at Local Commanders’ Level.



Manoj Tuli

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya_V » 30 May 2018 10:49

This is BS they want a Happy Eid, we must prepare our ammunition defenses and hit some Hino trucks as they move around Eid.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Aditya G » 16 Jun 2018 14:40

Direct hit by BSF. I am guessing they employed a 76mm weapon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... 4KqVfSDKdU


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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby Vips » 23 Jun 2018 19:27

BSF readies 60 snipers to hit 'enemy at the gates'

A group of men crawl in green and white Ghillie suits with their rifles almost invisible, suddenly halt and resume moving surreptitiously. Meet the elite Border Security Force (BSF) snipers from Central School of Weapons and Tactics (CSWT), Indore, who are being trained to take down Pakistani marksmen deployed along the International Border in Jammu and Kashmir.

With rising incidents of snipers of Pakistani Army and the Rangers targeting BSF personnel, CSWT has increased the number of trainees. Earlier this month, two BSF men were killed by Pakistani sniper across the international border in Pargwal sector (Akhnoor), J&K.

According to intelligence sources, the Pakistani Army and the Inter-Services Intelligence have deployed 150 snipers across the Line of Control to target the BSF in Machhal, Uri, Tangdhar, Poonch, Bhimber Gali, Rampur, Krishna Valley. These snipers have been trained along with Pakistan's Special Operations Team in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir. Some of these snipers who belong to Lashkar-e-Taiba, Jaish-e-Mohammed and Hizbul Mujahideen are paid between Rs 50,000 and Rs 1,00,000.

Now, 60 marksmen, who follow the one-bullet-one-target rule of sniping, will not only take down terrorists trying to infiltrate into Jammu and Kashmir, but also Pakistani snipers trying to target the BSF. The BSF has decided to deploy one sniper on every border outpost in areas prone to infiltration and sniping by Pakistani marksmen.

BSF trainees are enrolled for a 8-week boot camp at CSWT, which hones their physical and mental capabilities to turn them into lethal killing machines. The training involves going empty stomach for an agonising 72 hours at a stretch at a particular position in -40 or 40+ degrees Centigrade. Only one out of 100 trainees makes it.

Inspector general RC Dhyani, who heads CSWT, told India Today that "whether it is border management or counterinsurgency, our snipers are capable of handling anything; they can tackle any challenge". CSWT has "state-of-the-art sniper rifles and the BSF personnel undergo rigorous training and learn new techniques", he added.

These BSF marksmen use the SSG 69, which is a bolt-action sniper rifle produced by Steyr Mannlicher and serves as the standard sniper rifle for the Austrian Army. While the Pakistani snipers use the semi-automatic Dragunov SVD-63, which was developed in the erstwhile Soviet Union. Both the rifles are chambered in 7.62×54 mm cartridge.

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Postby Aditya_V » 12 Jul 2018 13:55

Is there any good write up on the Tulung La inciddent in 1975 where 4 RR soldiers were killed by the Chinese?

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Postby tsarkar » 12 Jul 2018 15:23

Aditya_V wrote:Is there any good write up on the Tulung La inciddent in 1975 where 4 RR soldiers were killed by the Chinese?

Assam Rifles, not Rashtriya Rifles that was not in existence in the 70's

https://www.wikileaks.org/plusd/cables/ ... 671_b.html

Tulung La is where Dalai Lama crossed over from Tibet to Arunachal Pradesh in 1959.

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Postby Aditya_V » 12 Jul 2018 16:19

Sorry Assam Rifles. Thanks

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Postby g.sarkar » 13 Jul 2018 00:42

https://swarajyamag.com/politics/chines ... knew-about
Chinese Were Running Illegal Drug Factory In Bengal That None Knew About
Jaideep Mazumdar, Jul 11, 2018
State authorities in Madhupur in West Bengal’s Murshidabad district, which borders Bangladesh, have just woken up to an illegal drug manufacturing unit that has been running under their nose for over three years now.
The arrest of five Chinese nationals, by Government Railway Police (GRP) personnel, who were seen moving around suspiciously at the Kolkata railway station, has led to the discovery of the illegal drug factory being operated at Madhupur since 2014. The factory is now suspected to have also been involved in the production of amphetamine, a dangerous synthetic drug. It has also come to light that there are 30 Chinese nationals in a backward pocket of Murshidabad ‘trading’ in human hair and cellphones.
The said factory was set up on a 2.61 lakh square foot of land at Madhupur, which is just a few kilometers from the international border with Bangladesh, in 2014 and had always been shrouded in secrecy. The land belongs to a member of the Madhupur gram panchayat Boju Sheikh, who is also a local Trinamool Congress leader. Operations in the factory were shut down suddenly a few months ago.
The factory was discovered by Bengal’s Criminal Investigation Department (CID) quite by chance. The arrest of Chinese nationals occurred on the night of 29 June. “They looked like Chinese and when we asked them where they were headed to, they tried to run away. We arrested them and a search of their suitcases unearthed some tablets packed very neatly in 27 plastic packets. They turned out to be Chinese nationals with valid travel documents. We handed them over to the CID,” said a GRP officer. Narcotics cell experts have confirmed that the tablets were amphetamine tablets worth about Rs 40 crore. The Chinese men, aged between 30 years and 37 years, also had mobile phones, 60 credit and debit cards, and some cash on them. Only one of the five, identified as Wang Xiao Dong, could speak a bit of English and the CID had a lot of difficulty getting information out of him. Dong was uncooperative and refused to answer any questions, even claiming at one time that the suitcases from which the drugs were recovered did not belong to them.
A further search of their belongings led to the discovery of two train tickets from Belganga (in Murshidabad) to Kolkata. Confronted with this, and after sustained interrogation, Dong finally led the CID sleuths to the shut factory in Madhupur on 4 July. Another 1.9kg of amphetamine tablets were found in the factory along with some Chinese medicines and equipment like syringe pumps and grinding machines.
The factory is surrounded by high walls and had armed private security guards who would chase away locals coming too close to the property. Some locals who used to work there say that they were asked very strictly to stick to their designated workstations and the factory had some rooms that were always kept closed and to which only the Chinese had access. The factory used to procure jute stalk from local farmers at good prices and it was believed that they were making activated carbon for export to China. But no export documents have been found. Incidentally, activated carbon is used to treat overdoses of amphetamine and other drugs.
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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby abhijitm » 08 Aug 2018 11:19

Hi. Is there a website which list yearly all terrorists encounters in India? Thanks in advance.

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Try satp.org

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arshyam wrote:Try satp.org

Thanks arshyam!

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Postby Rakesh » 18 Aug 2018 21:31

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 9597495296 ---> DRDO is scouting for private industrial partners for the commercial production and marketing of their border surveillance system (BOSS).

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 8931973121 ---> BOSS can be deployed at unmanned observation posts for remote controlled all-weather day-and-night monitoring of designated areas. It consists of battlefield surveillance radar along with electro-optical sensors, IR, thermal imager, laser ranger and GPS mounted on a pan-tilt unit.

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 9197471745 ---> It can detect a light vehicle at a distance of 10-12 km and a group of persons at 8-10 km while operating in temperatures from minus 30 to 55°C. Real time data and video can be transmitted over a distance of 20 km to command post through wireless optic fiber link.

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Re: India Border Watch: Security and Operations

Postby krishna_krishna » 19 Sep 2018 04:57

RIP Brave heart, Javan killed by sniper fire. Twitter claims body was mutilated :

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/ind ... 862150.cms

Need to aggressively deploy snipers and counter snipers.


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