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^^^
To think about it, maybe I’m seeing an increase in threats of banning (or warnings) and actual banning going on in the recent years ... “Oldies” are fading out or retiring.
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May be we couldn't hear from chaiwalas, the constant feed of existing information. Its all hard day. Nobody knows what happens next, whether life, job or basic food.. hope good things happens soon.
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Kartik wrote:Sadly, it seems that BRF is now getting quieter and quieter..not much movement on any threads.
Agree. Where have all the posters gone? Hardly one or two posts in each thread when I check BRF in the morning.
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Kartik wrote:Sadly, it seems that BRF is now getting quieter and quieter..not much movement on any threads.
Please do not make posts like this in other threads. We have a forum feedback thread for this purpose. It creates a cascading effect, which you can see in the number of replies. I have moved all the posts to this thread.

With regards to your observation, COVID has taken greater prominence over everything. It will pick up in due course.
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Haridas wrote:
Kartik wrote:Sadly, it seems that BRF is now getting quieter and quieter..not much movement on any threads.
Sadly its a reflection of the Moderator's tending of the eco system.

Food for thought.
+1
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Many birds have flown away and nesting somewhere else ?
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They are all nesting in the Strat Forum. Lots of action going on there.
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Not really. A lot of good posters left after ill advised closure of GDF. Few more were banned because a certain few moderators were having a bad day. Seems like average number of posts has been falling steadily since last 1.5-2 years.

If strategic forum is indeed very active, then it shows importance of GDF.
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Shutting down GDF, due to dhoti-shivering based on the threats of some SJW, was one of the stupidest decisions of BRF. It removed a lot of lustre from the forum.

A forum that calls itself "Rakshak" shouldn't have behaved in such a weak-kneed manner.

A lot of the action has moved to social media
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Guys - just cool down and some of you, kindly stop picking on moderators for unnecessarily perceived slights and angst.

Fact is most members, moderators included, resident in India and abroad are stressed out over the pandemic and the manner in which the second wave has hit. Its been almost a year and a half in this mess, and its only natural that many will take a break for a while. I am sure the situation is hardly less stressful wherever most of our non resident members are.

Next, GDF - that decision is done and dusted. Talk on the forum is one thing, but as repeatedly advised on even the strat forum, loose talk can have legal consequences and in that case, most folks cant contribute. Lets just leave it be.
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Most people who were active are busy dealing with the pandemic with various issues. Enough said about it as more cannot be told without maintaining confidentiality
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does BRF have a watsapp group? also - does BRF have any unified strategy for combining investments to promote home grown companies (koo for example).
even a small start there (with a little from everyone, invest in actual companies for actual returns - no asking for donations here) can slowly create a fund of sorts that can at the very least support some of the initiatives BRF wants to support?
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This is a forum feedback thread. Please take social media concerns to the Social Media Watch Thread.
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Cross posting from Tejas thread.
Rakesh wrote:
Kartik wrote:I have been saddened to see the slow withering away of the lively discussions on BRF. Twitter has lured many of us and it's done no good for BRF, but I think that we need to loosen up some of the excessively strict posting here..not saying that the quality of discussions must drop but we must allow newbies to feel comfortable and not leave just because they feel they cannot contribute here.
How many times must we point out to you that there is a Forum Feedback thread for posts like this? This point was made very clear to you the last time, but you are still continuing on this. Do NOT make posts like this in this thread or any other thread for that matter. Feel free to make posts like this in the Forum Feedback thread - that is the whole point of that thread.

This is your last reminder. And do not reply to my post in this thread. Feel free to do so in the Forum Feedback thread.
If this is how the mods want to respond to a post on a serious issue then I don't find it surprising that BRF has managed to lose so many of it's regular posters.

Last reminder? Threatening me huh? Point out where you mentioned this earlier to me specifically.
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Kartik wrote:If this is how the mods want to respond to a post on a serious issue then I don't find it surprising that BRF has managed to lose so many of it's regular posters.
COVID-19 is ravaging India and people are dying in hundreds (if not thousands) DAILY. Which rock are you living under?

Every forum member has family in India or are themselves living in India and are affected by this. Visiting BRF daily - in the midst of a nationwide and personal pandemic - is the last thing on forum members' minds. In the midst of personal loss, you want forum members to come and give you regular and daily updates on Indian military projects? What is wrong with you? What is surprising is the traffic BRF is actually getting in the midst of this. And I have the forum stats and dates to prove this.

So what is a serious issue to you, is a non-issue to everyone else on this forum. And that is because they have their own health and a family that takes priority over BRF. Their own well being and the well being of their loved ones is crucial. And when this pandemic is finally over, the forum will gradually pick right back up. And I use the term gradually, because each individual takes a different length of time to deal with personal loss. And no one will come on BRF to share that personal info either. So spare us your analysis and reasoning on the "supposed" decline of BRF.
Kartik wrote:Last reminder? Threatening me huh?
I do not need to threaten you. I am giving you the courtesy of stopping this, but I do not have time to baby sit you. Next time, I will not remind you and no one will miss your presence. And that is not a threat, but feel free to take it in any manner you wish.

BRF rules exist for a reason. Learn to follow the rules or please leave.
Kartik wrote:Point out where you mentioned this earlier to me specifically.
And as for my earlier reminder, it is right here on this very page. Click on the link below.

And you have seen this message, because I replied to your post and therefore it shows up on your notifications. So don't the play the ignorant act.

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Kartik wrote: If this is how the mods want to respond to a post on a serious issue then I don't find it surprising that BRF has managed to lose so many of it's regular posters.
This has been elucidated above by Karan M (and now by Rakesh), but repeating again: We do need to keep in mind that BRF has been always about national security as a whole and not just about military tech discussions. The two topics (and threads) that had a tremendous amount of participation recently has been the Wuhan virus thread and the Ladakh thread. That is because those are the top top national security issues, which affect India in a very direct and visible way.

I hope you dont make erroneous conclusions of "losing folks" etc, because fact is each one of us have lost folks in India and it is tough to read such statements. Also a fact that we will rarely come to know if we lost any forum buddy or valuable poster to covid, because we dont have meetups like we used to have and it is tough to keep tabs based on social media post frequency etc.

Once this national crisis is over, we will certainly hear a lot more progress in lots of the technical programs, because a lot of pent up tasks are being done (atleast that is what I heard in the space domain).

Also, it is a standard practice for all webforums (and social media posting groups) to corral all discussions about a forum management into a single thread. This serves two purposes - keep discussions focused on thread topic and a single point trouble-ticket kind of tracking mechanism for current/future admins to refer back to. In future, you should post such generic forum queries or thoughts here, so all admins can take a stab at explaining or sorting it out

Hope you get the points from the admin POV and take it in the right spirit.
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Suraj wrote:This is a forum feedback thread. Please take social media concerns to the Social Media Watch Thread.
This was a general question on brf groups. Not really about social media like Twitter or fb.
What about the other question?
Any interest to create a brf fund for profit and use it to invest in Indian security/home grown industry?
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Please understand that this thread is for discussion questions relating to actiivities on the forum. It has nothing to do with what people desire to do outside of BR simply because they know each other off the forum.

The moderation team is not in any position to do anything actionable about such requests because that's not part of our charter. If you feel so enthusiastic, take it up yourself, win the respect of your BRF peers and get them to support your initiative. It's no different from starting and driving a new thread on a new topic - just a lot harder.
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agreed @suraj. apologies if this came across as asking for more work from moderators. I dint want to bring up something that already exists or if it was tried before.
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Thank you for your insight. Have a nice day!
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I received a warning from suryag for this post, with no reason specified. I am asking for some clarification here since I made this post communicating my intent to the OP to actually involve the mod team, and that's what I did. The result, the mod gave me a warning for the same post. If the person reporting a trolling post gets a warning without any rationale why would anyone report a post? Needless to say, I am a bit taken aback by this action from the moderator given that I generally consider myself to be a responsible poster - my posting record here should speak for itself.

Yes, I know mod decisions should not be questioned, and I am not, as long as I know what I was warned about. It's a basic expectation from anyone.

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The warning appears to be erroneous, and I have removed it from your record. Thanks for bringing it to our attention.
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^^ Thanks for looking into it, Suraj-san.
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Considering the way Farmer protest is spreading; should we have a dedicate thread for it mods ?
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Post by LakshmanPST »

Just like we can embed Youtube videos in posts, is it possible to create an option to Embed Tweets from Twitter directly...?
As of now, we are pasting links and copy-pasting the entire text... Any videos or photos are being posted separately...
Embedded Tweets would be more easier...

(I know all of us hate Twitter... Still it is the source of major news these days for now...)
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I made two posts on missile thread and both were deleted. Didn't get any message about it.
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How do I post images/photos on BRF?
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rajkumar wrote:How do I post images/photos on BRF?
Upload your photos into a photos site such as Flickr or Photobucket etc and then link them in BRf through the <img> tag while posting
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Is it possible to delete my forum posts and pictures posted on main website?
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jamwal wrote:Is it possible to delete my forum posts and pictures posted on main website?
I don't know if this is the right forum to reply on, Mods may move this if ts not in the right place.

Jamwal Saar, Can we please have cooler heads and not storm off over what is a trivial stuff over larger scheme of things (posting images with links are the forum guidelines and everyone needs to follow it). Maybe your post might not cause an issue but an another one will definitely bring the hammer down on this forum for there seem to be the watchful eyes of "Sauron" from Mordor to shut any and all indic sites at any given oppurtunity..

We need posters like you who are also Indic leaning and have some knowledge of terrain and people in especially J&K. Please reconsider this.
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Rakesh- This has got to stop. You are misusing your moderator rights. Mort Walker has been an effective contributor. If anything he has been articulate and polite. Your actions are unfair and unfortunate. This is the second effective forum poster you have suspended. I remember the Tsarkar episode. Just because you dont like someone questioning Russian equipment, you cannot be heavy handed with that poster and suspend him, on a different pretext, in this case, "alleged allegations"
All moderators and Ramana- This kind of behavior by Rakesh in particular is egregious and he needs to lose his Moderator rights. We have already lost forum contributors ranging such as Arun_S, JCAge, Shiv Shastry, Rohit Vats, Singha, and many more, and this kind of biased unchecked behavior is to blame.
Dont fob this off by asking me to put this on the forum feedback. i will post there, as well.
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I also request other mods like Ramana, Karan M etc. to review banning of senior members at the drop of a hat. It does feel like a moderator can support Russian or French equipment the way he/she wants but the moment a poster comes out with praise for American systems he/she is branded and targeted at the very next slip-up. We all are humans and frustrated by perceived lack of support to domestic MIC vs euphoria for foreign wares, it is all natural to cross line here and there. Pls don't look at one post but do evaluate a user on series of posts. Banning everyone with a difference of opinion is wrong trend on BRF.
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Let me just put a few points here, though Rakesh can and will of course speak for himself.

No poster is banned for supporting his preferred equipment.

However, moderators cannot let accusations against the AF or Govt taking kickbacks etc slide. That forces a moderators hand but of course moderators take into account a members posting history. As of today, the Indian AF are deployed in hostile conditions and the GOI is literally facing a two front threat. As such these comments couldn't have come at a more inopportune time.

Please understand it was a relatively light action - posters without Morts long history and contributions on the forum, might have well received a harsher action. So clearly Rakesh took that into account. For instance a new member who made these statements (as Mort might have, in the heat of the moment) would have been turfed out as a troll. So Mort only got a one month ban, relatively light in comparison.

Another member referenced here above, tsarkar - in due time, we might share more details, but suffice to say there is a lot that the forum doesn't know, please take that as all we can share at this point of time.

Even without those specific details, he had also abused his member privileges to the max possible, attempting to browbeat fellow posters, moderators etc whenever he'd post flat out wrong claims and somebody dared to question his statements. It was a well thought out and deliberate strategy. Action against him was long overdue.

Unfortunately while moderator action is flagged only when such interventions occur what often goes unnoticed is the number of times moderators edit posts or delete them to ensure the members dont land up with infractions. However that also leads to members getting upset at moderators for deleting their posts and the edits!

Long story short - there is no eqpt bias or bias in any form here in play, apart from the overt preference of supporting India's interests in all forms. Other moderators were under attack a few months back IIRC for banning some pro Russia poster/s after they completely flouted forum rules one too many times.

All we can request is irrespective of your like/dislike for any country's equipment please think of India's needs first and foremost when articulating your viewpoint. That's all.
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Karan Saar, I've lurked on BRF since 2003, and been posting since 2007. I don't have any comment on the specific action that led to Avik's comment above, but if I may offer a suggestion/comment, from when I joined BRF vs now, (a) the ban periods for similar offenses seem to be much longer, and (b) it's a lot harder to figure out what might lead to mod action. It's not capriciousness, but more a lack of clarity on what rule is broken by a particular post.

I asked this question about a mod action a few months and got a temp ban for just asking (I was being sincere in my question btw). I don't have any hard feelings about that, but I still don't understand why the ban that I originally asked about happened.

Also, for some posts that get bans, I feel a vigorous response from others or simply calling out the unsubstantiated comment is enough -- we're all well-educated, rational humans here who can see a stupid point for what it is. Hair-trigger bans with unclear rules only serves to create uncertainty, force self-censorship, and kill vibrant and potentially informative discussions

I have been off-and-on from BRF (blame the PhD life) so admittedly I'm not aware of what's been happening to force the mod's hands, but maybe some clarity on rubrics and reasons for such actions would help tamp down questions.

JMTC.
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k prasad wrote:Karan Saar, I've lurked on BRF since 2003, and been posting since 2007. I don't have any comment on the specific action that led to Avik's comment above, but if I may offer a suggestion/comment, from when I joined BRF vs now, (a) the ban periods for similar offenses seem to be much longer, and (b) it's a lot harder to figure out what might lead to mod action. It's not capriciousness, but more a lack of clarity on what rule is broken by a particular post.

I asked this question about a mod action a few months and got a temp ban for just asking (I was being sincere in my question btw). I don't have any hard feelings about that, but I still don't understand why the ban that I originally asked about happened.

Also, for some posts that get bans, I feel a vigorous response from others or simply calling out the unsubstantiated comment is enough -- we're all well-educated, rational humans here who can see a stupid point for what it is. Hair-trigger bans with unclear rules only serves to create uncertainty, force self-censorship, and kill vibrant and potentially informative discussions

I have been off-and-on from BRF (blame the PhD life) so admittedly I'm not aware of what's been happening to force the mod's hands, but maybe some clarity on rubrics and reasons for such actions would help tamp down questions.

JMTC.
Hi KP hope your PhD is going well and welcome back to the forum. Missed your detailed AI reports!

I understand your point about being clear with which rule was broken. AFAIK - though I don't remember what was the issue that led to your temp ban, and will not second guess it, moderators do specify why they did impose a ban.

I will try and address the remaining questions in general. To clarify this isn't related to the current episode or poster which sparked this discussion but my comments are more generic in nature.

One of the big reasons why ban periods appear longer now is IMHO purely because of the fact moderators wait and wait and only take action when they are pushed to do so. Its often that the individual in question has accumulated such a "history" that moderators finally think enough, please.

Yet that action merely because its not frequent tends to gather a lot of attention. For instance members who've been given a lot of leeway and have abused it may receive a long duration one.

In other cases, i.e. temp bans, moderators use temp bans as a means of breaking up a fight wherein a particular member has either crossed the forum rules, refused to heed moderator requests and is headed for a more severe infraction.

What are the usual ones? Some of the reasons I've seen happen more frequently are picking fights with mods, or fellow members, abusive posts, asking for sensitive information (this may be a misunderstanding on the side of the poster but please understand the forum's liability and concern), making abusive or legally dodgy posts vs distinguished constitutional posts, accusing the AF and GOI of being corrupt or useless or incompetent (without providing a detailed fact based critique), making inflammatory posts or non factual ones (lowering the tone of the discussion, vwithout evidence).

These are what I've seen as the most common ones in recent times. They invariably lead to a moderator trying to intervene, trying to fix issues and on rare occasions inciting a ban.

The real issue as to why moderators have been forced to use bans as versus relying on vigorous responses etc is because those vigorous responses end up putting everyone on the same page.

The person who made an intemperate remark ends up taking three, four or even more serious members along with him into infraction territory. So not only does it over stress the moderation team, it ends up cheesing off a much wider group who then blame the forum, state its standards are declining, accuse the moderation team of being biased or ineffective etc.
This is why we request the forum members to report offensive posts as versus relying on themselves to police offensive viewpoints.

We do our best to not rely on bans but infractions. But using the temporary ban system does occasionally ensure that there are no further back and forth on that topic. The member returns with (hopefully) a cooler head and is not willing to fight over the same thing all over again. Otherwise that sort of thing usually leads to longer bans because human nature means many folks can't and won't back away from the argument.

Trust that clarifies.
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Rakeshji, I see plethora of posters making multitude of allegations that they are unable to prove, albeit those are made against desi-kalluram-infested orgs, striving to deliver desi products, only to be rebuffed by the merry-go-round of "tests", to ensure gora-TFTA products get a chance to be inducted.

I can understand everybody has their biases (political and idealogical ones as well), and those yielding admin powers are no exceptions - plus of course, BRF is a private entity, with membership rules defined and executed by that private entity etc etc - but a modicum of balance is called for, isn't it?

Anyway, without naming anybody, let me point out, another poster was recently asked to go for being vocal in support of indigenous products - so, is a decison being taken, that since the idea of true-atmanirbharata has taken roots amongst quite a few here despite the striped-label-worshipping types here, time to weed-out of these as many as possible, and maintain this newly-defined "BR values" - is it?
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Thank you KaranM. Greatly appreciated.
Avik wrote:Rakesh- This has got to stop. You are misusing your moderator rights. Mort Walker has been an effective contributor. If anything he has been articulate and polite. Your actions are unfair and unfortunate. This is the second effective forum poster you have suspended. I remember the Tsarkar episode. Just because you dont like someone questioning Russian equipment, you cannot be heavy handed with that poster and suspend him, on a different pretext, in this case, "alleged allegations"
If I had to ban Mort Walker earlier (in your own words ---> questioning Russian equipment), I could have done that. I disagree with his claims of 25% serviceability of the S-400 and Tejas in place of S-400. That is his view. I have faith in the IAF - who is far more knowledgeable than anyone on this forum - with regards to the acquisition of the S-400. And this is the same IAF that has stated - on record - that acquisition of the S-400 is not a solution to the squadron shortage.

Mort Walker earned that one month ban because of his statement of, "Other acquisitions seem like foreign government appeasement and kickbacks." And because he is Mort Walker, I only gave him a one month ban. If it was anyone else, the punishment would have been far severe. This present government has done far more for Indian defence than the previous 10 years of the UPA Govt. This current government has removed a number of bureaucratic bottlenecks to streamline acquisitions in the face of a 2 front war. To accuse the ruling government of the appearance of kickbacks - without evidence - is not something that will be tolerated.

If I let that slide, what stops another poster from saying something even more egregious?

A long time poster (since the birth of BRF back in 1997), was permanently banned earlier this year. Every post of his was not just in support of Russian maal, but also in deriding local maal. It was a unanimous decision to ban him from the forum for good after countless temporary bans. If I had this much love for Russian maal, I would not have agreed with such a decision to remove that poster from this forum.

With regards to my permanent banning of tsarkar, it would be unwise to comment any further than what KaranM has stated. Hopefully in the future - when a more favourable environment is available - additional information about tsarkar can be shared on the forum. Till then, I will wear the title of unfair moderator (or whatever else) with regards to tsarkar. I have no issue with that.
All moderators and Ramana- This kind of behavior by Rakesh in particular is egregious and he needs to lose his Moderator rights. We have already lost forum contributors ranging such as Arun_S, JCAge, Shiv Shastry, Rohit Vats, Singha, and many more, and this kind of biased unchecked behavior is to blame.
With the exception of Shiv Sastry, every other name you have mentioned above is active on this forum. I am unable to provide their present username, as that would violate their anonymity. Some of them have also changed their posting style for that reason.

And Shiv has taken a self imposed exile. He has not been banned. The door is still open for him to return, but that is his choice.
Avik wrote:Dont fob this off by asking me to put this on the forum feedback. I will post there, as well.
Thank you for posting your feedback in this thread, as I deleted your same post in the IAF thread.
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Post by Rakesh »

Maitya-ji, I have moved your post to this thread.
maitya wrote:Rakeshji, I see plethora of posters making multitude of allegations that they are unable to prove, albeit those are made against desi-kalluram-infested orgs, striving to deliver desi products, only to be rebuffed by the merry-go-round of "tests", to ensure gora-TFTA products get a chance to be inducted.
I have addressed the allegations viewpoint, in my post above to Avik. Please do see.
maitya wrote:I can understand everybody has their biases (political and idealogical ones as well), and those yielding admin powers are no exceptions - plus of course, BRF is a private entity, with membership rules defined and executed by that private entity etc etc - but a modicum of balance is called for, isn't it?
Again, please see my post above.
maitya wrote:Anyway, without naming anybody, let me point out, another poster was recently asked to go for being vocal in support of indigenous products - so, is a decison being taken, that since the idea of true-atmanirbharata has taken roots amongst quite a few here despite the striped-label-worshipping types here, time to weed-out of these as many as possible, and maintain this newly-defined "BR values" - is it?
I don't know which post (or poster) you are referring to above, so I am unable to provide a specific reply.

But in the larger vein of true-atmanirbharata, are we to throw simple logic out the window?

I see a number of posters talking about immediately retiring all the MiG-21s and replacing them with Tejas, not realizing that any order for additional Tejas will take three years for delivery. If the IAF retires the MiG-21 and the balloon goes up between now and when the entire delivery is completed, what is the IAF expected to fight with? Or is the enemy going to wait till all the Tejas are delivered to the IAF and all pilots have completed their conversion training on the type?

A few posters have consistently argued for cancellation of the Rafale in favour of the Tejas Mk1/Mk1A, stating that the latter is far more superior and capable than the former. I don't even know where to begin with this. I once asked would it be wise to replace all the Su-30MKIs with Tejas Mk1/Mk1As? I got no constructive reply.

Atmanirbharata is a wonderful strategy and not that my opinion matters, but it is something I am fully behind. But to blindly follow that and throw all phoren maal out the window, is quite frankly inviting peril. It is however going to take decades to achieve that reality, but we will get there. And with the reality of a 2 front war on our doorstep, the armed forces have to acquire whatever they can afford and get their hands on.

Those acquisitions have to be weighed against a number of geopolitical and military realities that India is facing.
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KaranM & Rakesh, great posts explaining the logic. Completely with you on this.

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