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Intelligence and National Security Discussion

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 28 Dec 2016 18:50

ahh. thanks.. Thats what i get for skimming quickly

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby sanjaykumar » 29 Dec 2016 11:48

Many northeasterners can pass for Chinese..

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 29 Dec 2016 16:17

>>Many northeasterners can pass for Chinese.<

No. Even a Japanese / Korean cant pass for a Chinese.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Kashi » 29 Dec 2016 17:20

rkhanna wrote:No. Even a Japanese / Korean cant pass for a Chinese.


Unless they speak Mandarin/Cantonese or other Chinese dialects without Japanese/Korean accents.

North Eastern China has a large ethnic Korean population who speak both Mandarin and the Northern dialect of Korean. They are indistinguishable from the local Chinese.

Likewise, zainishi Koreans in Japan are hardly distinguishable from Japanese since they speak the language with nary an accent.

It's the accents that give the game away. There are some facial features that are claimed to be clearly distinct but nothing definitive.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Neshant » 30 Dec 2016 09:06

Cosmo_R wrote:Love to know more from emails. Can we collect the revelations (if any) here?


How does anyone know if its real or just a plant from abroad.
Anyone can generate fake emails.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby jamwal » 06 Jan 2017 17:58

http://thediplomat.com/2017/01/declassi ... ar-device/

Declassified: How India Tracked Pakistan’s Development of a Nuclear Device
Newly declassified documents reveal how New Delhi tracked Islamabad’s pursuit of a nuclear device.

Soon after the 1998 tests by both countries, Indian intelligence was looking at supply chains for Pakistan’s Shaheen-II ballistic missile, almost four years ahead of its first test in 2004.There was already specific knowledge available with India on Shaheen-I, including on the hardware that was involved in steering the missile. Additionally, New Delhi was not entirely convinced that Pakistan would not use choose to use non-nuclear chemical warheads for its missiles

The trail of documents begins with a Joint Intelligence Committee Report (dated February 24, 1976) titled “Pakistan’s Capability to Produce Nuclear Weapons.” This paper was an update to a JIC Paper from March 1975. It assessed that in absence of assistance for plutonium-239 or uranium-235, “Pakistan could not be in a position to explode a nuclear device at least for four years from now.” Further, the report noted that all was not well with Karachi Nuclear Power Plant. It had developed faults due to “leakage in boiler flow down valve which resulted in reactor poisoning.” It was shut down six times in 1975 with the largest one in mid-1975 when Canadian experts were recruited to repair the leakage of heavy water from the heat exchanger.

Moreover, in 1976, diplomatic cables from the Indian Embassy in Ottawa reveal that India was becoming aware of Chinese scientists’ presence in Pakistan. A Hungarian diplomat informed an Indian diplomat in Ottawa that the Canadian government was aware that Chinese scientists were being given access to facilities with Canadian material in Pakistan, despite the Karachi Nuclear Power Plant (KANUPP-I) coming under IAEA safeguards.

Pakistan was also sharing Canadian technical knowledge with the Chinese in return for military supplies. Henry Kissinger, then-U.S. secretary of state, had visited Pakistan in 1976, where he was attempting to forge Afghan-Pakistan rapprochement following the visit of Prime Minister Bhutto to Kabul. Kissinger’s secondary agenda was to probe the France-Pakistan nuclear agreement. According to briefings received by Indian officials in Washington, Kissinger and Bhutto agreed that on the nuclear issue, “both sides will avoid confrontation.”

By September 1977, India’s external intelligence Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) had begun to report on Pakistan’s plans in detail, issuing a report called “Pakistan — Clandestine Purchase of Nuclear Equipment and Materials.” Pakistan’s Atomic Energy Commission (PAEC) had set up a purchasing channel in Bonn, Germany, and Abdul Waheed, a cousin of General Zia-ul-Haq, oversaw the funds for these clandestine contracts. $11 million was already spent by Pakistan in Western Europe on plutonium technology, including the purchase of a “shearer” for use in its reprocessing facility.

The Pakistan explosive device program was coming together and, in 1981, a “Monthly Report” from the Indian Embassy in Islamabad warned New Delhi that “it is very likely that Pakistan will succeed in exploding a nuclear device, possibly this year.” The embassy also informed that “Zia was extremely keen to explode the nuclear device at the earliest possible.”

In the same year, J. N Dixit, who would go on to become India’s national security advisor (2004-2005), circulated a report entitled “Pakistan race to Nuclear Weapons” to all heads of missions. The note concluded that the question of whether “Pakistan has indeed embarked on a nuclear weapons program” could be answered affirmatively. Dixit assessed that “Kahuta, Islamabad, and Sihala form a sort of protected centrifuge triangle.” Kahuta was protected with Crotale surface-to-air missile systems. Pakistan had also gained the capacity to produce uranium hexafluoride.


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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 11 Jan 2017 21:37

Indians against India
http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/indians-against-india/

By RSN Singh - a former military intelligence officer who later served in the Research and Analysis Wing, or R&AW and author of books Asian Strategic and Military Perspective and The Military Factor in Pakistan. His latest book is The Unmaking of Nepal.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 18 Jan 2017 18:43

Police suspect Pakistan's spy agency ISI hand in two rail accidents in Uttar Pradesh

The ISI hand was exposed following the arrest of three criminals Umashankar Patel, Motilal Paswan and Mukesh Yadav from Motihari on the Indo-Nepal border who were working at the instance of an ISI agent, a Nepalese citizen based in Dubai.

"These criminals were arrested for their involvement in placing a cooker bomb on the railway track near Ghorasahan in the district on October 1 last year. They have confessed to having worked for an ISI agent," district SP Jitender Rana told TOI over phone, adding one of them confessed to his involvement in planting explosives to derail the Indore-Patna Express and Ajmer-Sealdah Express trains near Kanpur last year.

The disclosure marks a new dimension of the subversion carried out by ISI, and has exposed the vulnerability of railways to terrorists. With the case throwing up clear external linkages with conspirators based in Nepal, Pakistan and UAE, the NIA is closely following the investigation by the Bihar police.

"Our team of investigators are in touch with the local police and will examine the disclosures made by the arrested accused. If our preliminary conclusions vet the ISI-link theory, there is a possibility of NIA taking over the investigation," said an NIA official.

Those involved in the plot could have killed many more if they had succeeded in derailing a passenger train by setting off an explosion on a rail track. Also, a major train accident was foiled on January 1 by the railway patrolling staff, who detected that 50 elastic rail clips and three pairs of fishplates were removed and deliberate damage caused by a hacksaw on the track between Kalyanpur and Mandhana stations in the Farrukhabad-Kanpur Anwarganj section.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Rishi Verma » 18 Jan 2017 20:39

W. Bengal Villagers Riot Against Outsiders AKA Muslims

Police uniforms were recovered from the village of Khamarati. Villagers suspect that the group of outsiders, alleged members of Arabul Islam, opened fire on the agitators while wearing these uniforms.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 19 Jan 2017 11:24

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Unless they speak Mandarin/Cantonese or other Chinese dialects without Japanese/Korean accents.

North Eastern China has a large ethnic Korean population who speak both Mandarin and the Northern dialect of Korean. They are indistinguishable from the local Chinese.
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OT i know. But the above statement is not true. I grew up in Japan and Korea - Physical feature wise big difference. They could pass as residents yes but not natives.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Kashi » 19 Jan 2017 11:51

rkhanna wrote:OT i know. But the above statement is not true. I grew up in Japan and Korea - Physical feature wise big difference. They could pass as residents yes but not natives.


Depends on which part of China. North Eastern China saw a large influx and intermixing of Manchu (including Jurchens) and Han people, so they are not necessarily exactly the same as Han people from elsewhere.

My own experiences and I have also had interactions with many natives from these lands (Japan, China and Korea) and even they admit that they are hard-pressed to tell if someone is a Japanese, Korean or a Chinese, until and unless they open their mouths. Of course people can guess based on some stereotyped features (roundedness of the eyes, flatness of the face/jaw, thickness of the hair etc.), but by and large it's a hit or a miss.

There's a large ethnic Korean population in Japan (especially Osaka) and it's rare that people are able point them out as Zainishi Chōsenjin, until and unless they know their names, since their spoken/written Japanese too is indistinguishable from the natives.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby wig » 25 Jan 2017 19:19

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 781030.cms

Uttar Pradesh ATS busts international call racket spying on Army units, 11 arrested
The anti-terrorist squad of Uttar Pradesh police (UP ATS) on the intervening night of Tuesday and Wednesday arrested 11 people from different parts of Uttar Pradesh and NCR for abetting war against the country. .

The group used to help callers based in Pakistan, Nepal, UAE and Bangladesh eavesdrop on military operations in Jammu and Kashmir using 'interconnect bypass fraud.' That means they allegedly helped these groups conceal their identities by sending call made through the internet to a SIM box capable of redirecting VoIP traffic to mobile networks. .
The kingpin of the group has been identified as Gulshan Sen a resident of Delhi's Mehrauli. Gulshan, who is in mid 30s, teaches at FIITJEE. The group also allegedly caused financial losses to the government through illegal activities in telecom sector. .

UP ATS acted on an input provided by the Jammu and Kashmir Military Intelligence unit two months back, and was asked to probe two dozen internet call logs.

"Military officials posted in vital locations in Jammu and Kashmir were receiving calls from landline and mobile numbers. Identifying themselves as senior Army officers, the unidentified callers asked for specific information. Unsuspecting Army personnel shared the required information," said inspector general ATS Asim Arun.

Soon, sleuths posted at the Jammu and Kashmir military intelligence unit realized something was wrong and tried contacting the numbers which had flashed on the screen of the targeted Army personnel. But they couldn't get through. .

The Army then asked UP ATS to probe the case. While analyzing the case further, it was noticed that targeted personnel received illegal VoIP traffic on their mobile phones, which is against rules laid down by department of telecommunications. As genuine numbers of different Army units were spoofed, the ATS took up the case on priority, sensing an elaborate spying ring. .

The ATS got in touch with Telecom Enforcement Resource and Monitoring Cell, the technical arm of the department of telecommunications which acts as interface between security agencies and telecom service providers. Data analytics based on network protocol analysis made it clear that internet calls originating from foreign countries were being bypassed as local calls through 16 SIMbox in three different locations in Uttar Pradesh. And Gulshan Sen in Delhi was providing technical support to the three parallel illegal telephone exchanges.

The three locations were raided on Tuesday night in sector J Aliganj, Lucknow, Hardoi and Sitapur. 10 persons including Rahul Rastogi, Shivendra Mishra, Harshit Gupta, Vishal Kakkad, Rahul Singh, Vinit Dikshit, Rishi Hora, Shyam Babu, Uttam Shukla and Vikas Verma were arrested from the three districts. Gulshan was also arrested and was being brought to Lucknow for a further probe.

The five different teams which worked on the case recovered 10 mobile phones, 16 SIMbox along with 140 prepaid SIM cards of different telecom companies, five laptops and 28 datacards.

Arun said an FIR was lodged against the group, and sections amounting to waging war against the country and forgery have been pressed against them. "We have pressed section 121(A) of IPC apart from 467, 468, 471 and 420 against them," said Arun.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 29 Jan 2017 16:17

‘CIA assessed Rajiv assassination 5 years before he was killed’

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/% ... 112340.ece

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby rkhanna » 10 Feb 2017 17:17

BY WAY OF DECEPTION - By Major Gaurav Arya

"In 1997, RAW suffered a massive setback. Prime Minister IK Gujral wanted peace with Pakistan. And he wanted peace to such an extent that he ordered the closure of CIT-X and CIT-J, as a goodwill gesture towards Pakistan. It is said that hundreds of agents and their identities were compromised. Many RAW assets inside Pakistan were killed. This set back RAW capabilities by decades, a setback from which they have still not recovered. It takes backbreaking work and funds to create an operative or a double agent. And it takes time, trust and bandwidth."

"The CIA has gone on record to say that RAW provided valuable inputs leading to the neutralization of Osama bin Laden. It was RAW that sent a message to ISI telling them that President Parvez Musharraf was about to be assassinated. Musharraf was saved just in time. They did this possibly because at that time the Govt. of India wanted Musharraf alive. And it was RAW that launched Operation Chanakya and engineered a vertical split in the Kashmir based terror groups. It created pro-India groups that started decimating the ranks of terrorists."


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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 04 Mar 2017 12:14

Pakistan Plans to Play Terror Card by Prosecuting Alleged Indian Spy

https://sputniknews.com/politics/201703 ... ia-spying/

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 07 Mar 2017 20:08

WikiLeaks publishes 'entire hacking capacity of the CIA'

https://twitter.com/wikileaks

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2017 10:03

Apple, Samsung, Microsoft: WikiLeaks blows lid on scale of CIA’s hacking arsenal

https://www.rt.com/news/379757-your-who ... is-hacked/

According to the preliminary release, the CIA has the capability to hack, record and even control everyday technology used by billions of people around the world.

These include smartphones, tablets, smart TVs and even vehicles with remote control navigation systems.

On these devices themselves, the CIA can allegedly hack into some of the world’s most heavily encrypted social media and communications platforms such as WhatsApp, Weibo, Confide, Signal and Telegram before any encryption can even be applied.

For example, WhatsApp’s end-to-end encryption means that only the direct participants in a conversation can read messages; not even WhatsApp is capable of reading them.

The CIA, however, was able to hack into individual private WhatsApp messages before encryption could even be applied.

“Your messages are secured with a lock, and only the recipient and you have the special key needed to unlock and read your message,” the company writes on their website.

To understand the sheer scale of the leak and of the CIA’s high tech surveillance operations, the hierarchy of divisions within the agency’s cyber division can be looked at below.

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According to WikiLeaks, the manufacturing division for the Agency’s hacking tools, or ‘zero days’ as they are dubbed in the leaks, is the EDG (Engineering Development Group), which is under the umbrella of the agency’s CCI (Center for Cyber Intelligence).

Smartphone devices


The CIA's Mobile Devices Branch (MDB) developed a variety of tools and techniques to remotely hack and control the world’s most popular smartphones and tablets.

Once hacked, phones can be used to transmit their “geolocation, audio and text communications” directly to the CIA without the user’s knowledge. In addition, the CIA can remotely activate the phone’s microphone and camera.

Apple devices

Despite Apple holding a minority share in the global smartphone market in 2016, the CIA’s Mobile Development Branch has a specific division dedicated to the hacking of Apple devices which run the iOS operating system from smartphones and tablets.

WikiLeaks also alleges that the CIA not only developed but collaborated on or purchased a variety of hacking tools or ‘zero days’ from intelligence agencies and contractors around the world such as GCHQ, NSA, FBI or Baitshop.

Samsung


The EDG has produced a ‘zero day’ capable of hacking Samsung smart TVs, switching it into a fake ‘off mode’ where the device appears to remain on standby while actually recording audio and transmitting it to nearby secured CIA servers.

For context, Samsung was the top-selling television brand in the world for the last decade with a global market share of 21 percent as of 2015. WikiLeaks did not specify in the initial release whether video recordings were also a part of this particular ‘zero day.’

Vehicle control

As far back as 2014, WikiLeaks alleges that the CIA was exploring the possibility of infecting control systems in modern cars and trucks. While the exact goal of such control has yet to be established, WikiLeaks suggests that such hacks could be used for almost undetectable assassinations.


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Android devices (Samsung, HTC, Sony)

The majority of the world’s smartphones (approximately 85 percent) run on the Android operating system, with roughly 1.15 billion Android devices sold last year, according to the WikiLeaks statement. Naturally, the CIA devoted an entire subdivision to hacking Android devices, with 24 individual weaponized ‘zero days’ targeting Android devices.

Microsoft


The CIA’s cyber division has developed numerous local and remote ‘zero days’ to hack and control Microsoft Windows users.

These ‘zero days’ include, but are not limited to: air gap jumping viruses such as ‘Hammer Drill’ that are capable of infecting computers or phones that have never been connected to the internet; hacking tools that focus on removable devices such as USB drives; systems for hiding data, be it in covert disk areas or in images; particular ‘zero days’ that are manufactured to self-perpetuate and hide themselves from detection on an ongoing basis.

Before any tech experts gloat, WikiLeaks also alleges that the CIA has developed advanced, multi-platform malware attack and control systems that cover Windows and Mac OS X but also mixed source platforms like Solaris and open source platforms like Linux. Wikileaks names these specific ‘zero days’ as the EDB's ‘HIVE,’ ‘Cutthroat’ and ‘Swindle’ tools.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby sum » 08 Mar 2017 11:01

^^ The Khan is truely at a different level here.
I would be amazed if any of our data which is in electronic form is not in their hands

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2017 11:54

Was the Pukhrayan rail accident in November 2016, which killed 150 people, an act of sabotage? The NIA sees a terror hand.

The Kanpur Conspiracy

http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/kanp ... 94890.html

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Zynda » 08 Mar 2017 11:57

Gotta hand it to Khan. Having the entire ecosystem originated from Khan, they truly have options others can only wish for. Even in Linux OS, they have back doors and what not. Is there any alternative that is out of reach of Khan?

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2017 11:57

sum wrote:^^ The Khan is truely at a different level here.
I would be amazed if any of our data which is in electronic form is not in their hands


It would be a serious worry if GOI does not reduce dependencies on US Company SW like Microsoft or CISCO and build something indiginous for critical Tier 1 and 2 infra and MIC ,Scientific and Economic Institutions etc , all these US based Software have some kind of backdoor built into them "Zero Days" with connivance of these big majors

If GOI has not done this already this should be a wake call for them.

Thanks to Wikileaks we know such things even exist

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2017 12:03

Zynda wrote:Is there any alternative that is out of reach of Khan?


Yes and for that matter alternative to any proprietary system. Any proprietary system is dangerous as we dont know what goes inside it , its like a black box be it from US , China or Sweden

Build your own SW , Procure and Build your own HW and Networking after vetting the SW and HW by DRDO labs they have competencies

There would still be hacking going on but we will have much better control in terms of what goes inside it and deal with it.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2017 12:13

The kind of information wikileaks have released on CIA Hacking techniques is simply mind boggling , It would be a great opportunity for our agency to study this deeply

https://twitter.com/wikileaks

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Zynda » 08 Mar 2017 14:43

Austin, I meant for us consumers...alternate SW/OS even if it is for daily usage. I hope GoI, its ministries etc. take the above seriously and start chalking up alternative plans. Anyways, what does stop GoI from issuing a tender or request for our desi IT Vity companies to step up and come out with an OS. GoI can even fund majority of the project if not in its entirety. Good way to put use our workforce instead of depending on US for doles and panicking each time a GOTUS rep starts baying about H1B/India job loses. Kinda take a leaf from HAL on how it developed HTTP-40 even though there was no definitive requirement from IAF.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby manjgu » 08 Mar 2017 15:04

seriously ..alternative plans !!! we use chinese, swedish, Taiwanese routers, switches etc etc. The indian IT vity is nothing but a hot air ballon.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 08 Mar 2017 23:35

WikiLeaks' #Vault7 reveals that internet routers from US company Cisco are a top target for CIA malware infestation

CIA Hacking Tools in review: Cisco was a primary target

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cia-hack ... craig-dods


^^ one of my friend few year back working on IAF AFnet program ( it was subcontracted to Indian IT company ) told me that the entire backbone was on CISCO switches and routers :roll:

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby GShankar » 08 Mar 2017 23:47

Alternate OS - https://www.bosslinux.in

Any comments on our own linux distro?

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Zynda » 09 Mar 2017 00:01

^^I would think the kernel is Linux standard which is where from Khan would have exploited the loophole. Anyways, the above is another Gnome based distro...with added additional language features and such. Nothing unique and still vulnerable.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby g.sarkar » 09 Mar 2017 00:30

Just found this:

http://www.rediff.com/news/interview/a- ... 170308.htm
A remarkable Indian you never heard of
Last updated on: March 08, 2017 12:03 IST
A C Narayanan Nambiar's name will not ring a bell because he operated in the shadows where statecraft and secrecy overlap.
.....
The answer to this is given by British historian Christopher Andrew who was given full access to British intelligence records to write the 'authorised history' of MI-5.
One of the unwritten agreements during the transfer of power to India in 1947 was the secret positioning of a 'security liaison officer' (SLO) at New Delhi as MI-5's representative.
He was almost 'embedded' in the Intelligence Bureau.
As a result IB closely followed Britain's intelligence priorities even though an independent democratic country was born.
Andrew quotes instances: T G Sanjeevi Pillai, IB's first director, did not like V K Krishna Menon although he was a close confidant of Prime Minister Nehru.
Declassified British archives speak of a loud disconnect between the Nehru government's strategic policies and the priorities pursued by the IB.
Apart from the Krishna Menon episode, the disconnect was evident during the exchange visits of Soviet leaders Bulganin and Khrushchev to India and Nehru's visit to the USSR which heralded closer Indo-Soviet relations in 1955.
One year later there was a chill in Indo-UK relations when Nehru condemned the Anglo-French invasion on the Suez Canal.
Andrew says that this 'had little impact' on the IB-MI-5 collaboration.
IB even allowed an MI-5 officer to study their records on Moscow's subsidies to Indian Communists.
....

Gautam

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby Austin » 09 Mar 2017 22:20

Today Wikileaks Press Conference with Julian Assange


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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 10 Mar 2017 04:28

Gautam,
I too read the Rediff article but its an enigma wrapped in mystery. What did ACN Nambiar do in real life? No one wants to tell.

I guess need to buy the book.

Wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._C._N._Nambiar

A.C.N. Nambiar was close relative of Lt Gen K.P. Candeth who liberated Goa.

So very high connected family. Sir C. Sankaran Nair was also related.

Caravan Magazine excerpt of V. Balachandran book. This details the meeting with Nehru in 1938

http://www.caravanmagazine.in/vantage/a ... ambassador

BTW, Virendernath Chattopadhya or "Chatto" is the prototype for Somerset Maugham's Chander in his Ashenden stories. He is brother of Sarojini Naidu.

Chatto was well known in Great Britain and India as a revolutionary. He is believed to have inspired Somerset Maugham's character of "Chandralal" in his short story, "Giulia Lazzari;" (its character of Ashenden was based upon Maugham).[citation needed]. The American writer Agnes Smedley, who was involved with Chatto for eight years, used him as a model for the character Ananda in her novel Daughter of Earth


I didn't know Zimmerman Telegram was his idea!!!!

Read JLN comments about Chatto. Scumbag.

Also looks like Palme Dutt was also part of this group. We can trace Rajiv Gandhi's Bofor scam to Olaf Palme_Dutt who was murdered in Stockholm soon after the scam broke.

and a blog musing : http://maddy06.blogspot.com/2009/01/nam ... rmany.html

Sometimes, in the course of searching for something, you come across something else that proves interesting. That is how I chanced across another very interesting person, one whom I have never heard of. When Independent India started young in 1947, Nehru had three Malayali’s serving key positions as ambassadors/high commissioners. One was VK Krishna Menon in the UK, the other was KM Panickkar in China and the third was ACN Nambiar in West Germany.

ACN Nambiar was well known to the freedom fighter clan, but I doubt if anybody will even recollect anything about such a person, today. In many ways his work resulted in the ‘proverbial straw’ breaking the camels back when it comes to the British leaving India!! That will be better explained in an upcoming article on the Germany based Indisch legion during the WWII. Well, here was a man who hobnobbed with the elite in Europe, even though just a journalist. He was India’s link man in Germany and met often with people such as Himmler Hitler, Goebbels etc when Bose visited Germany.



Nanu Nambiar as he was fondly called by Jawaharlal Nehru, was a well known journalist in the 1930’s and 1940’s working in Germany. He was prominent with the upper echelons of society (!) who went on to become leaders of free India, mainly due to three reasons, one his presence in Germany for many years thereby establishing him as the key Indian contact, two - his friendship with NSC Bose and the third - his being the brother in law of Sarojini Naidu, thus cementing his relationship with the Nehru Clan. When Bose left Germany after two years of stay there, he handed over the reins of the free India centre to Nambiar, who managed it eminently till the Azad Hind armies were sent back to India.



In the 30’s Germany was the maelstrom of politics, intrigue and anti Semitic feelings. As the Nazi juggernaut (now this word Juggernaut has its origins at the chariot procession of the Puri Jaganath temple!!)was rolling on the anti British movement was just picking up in India. Bose had other ideas, wanting a different approach from the Satyagraha concept favored by Gandhi. He decided to find the enemies of the British and befriend them. The first was Hitler’s Germany. Escaping from house arrest, he moved through the North of India, via Afghanistan to Prague. It was here that he first met Arathil Candeth Narayanan Nambiar, a roving journalist covering Europe.

Venkayil Kunhiraman Nayanar, MLA of Madras legislative assembly, Coronation medal holder fondly known as Kesari, wrote for many papers and magazines (also the first Malayalam short story Vasanavikriti). Nayanar, hailing from Chirakkal Cannanore, was a good friend of both Herman Gundert and William Logan. Nayanar's son Arathil Kandoth Narayanan Nambiar married Suhasini, the sister of India's National Poet Sarojini Naidu. In European circles, the name is recorded as Arathil Candeth Narayanan Nambiar or Narain Nambiar.

Nambiar is not mentioned often in most history books, only passing references are made of him. Mihir Bose in his book Raj, secrets and revolution – A life of Subash Chandra Bose reveals some details. Nambiar, was first noticed and recorded as a suspect civilian Indian in the continent of Europe after reaching there from London. He moved to Germany in 1922. This was the time when the British were tracking VKK Menon and many others like Chatto (Virendra Chatopadhaya) for communist leanings. Nambiar’s wife Suhasini (Sarojini’s and Padmaja’s younger sister) was a Communist party member, close friend of Chatto and had been to Russia. There were three Indian groups in Germany at that time, one the group comprising Chatto & Champakaraman Pillai, the second that had links with the German socialist party and the third which was formed by Nambiar who in turn was sponsored by Nehru ( NSC Bose’s autobiography penned by Narayan Gopal & Bose)



Upon reaching Germany, Suhasini and he got divorced for reasons best known to them and she left back for India. Nambiar met and continued a relationship with Eva Geisler, a typist in the German Communist party office. Eva’s sister Louise was at that time, MN Roy’s paramour. Nambiar then started administering the Indian student’s information bureau in Berlin and was the FPI Berlin correspondent. In addition to this, he was AICC representative in Germany. But things would not be too comfortable for him. On 28th Feb 1933, he was accosted by some Nazi Thugs, pistol whipped and arrested. He was served deportation orders on 25th March for being an undesirable alien in the Third Reich and was given 8 days to leave.


Bose who had reached Berlin by then and was establishing contacts with the Nazi machine through Lothar Frank (member of Indo German society) heard about this and many other incidents related to Indians living in Germany. Bose went to the German foreign office where he met Curt Pruefer, who headed the British Empire section. With his help, Bose managed to get the deportation order on Nambiar delayed for some months and (1,000DEM) compensation awarded. After that event Nambiar was provided with a ₤5/- monthly retainer by Bose.


Why did Bose do all this? Because according to Mihir Bose, NSC Bose wanted Nambiar back in Berlin. He saw Nambiar as the unifier of Indians resident in the region. The Indians as usual were by then in split movements, pro and anti Nazi as explained previously. Nambiar belonged to the latter, whereas Champakaraman Pillai belonged to the former.



Bose waited to meet the fuehrer, but it would prove to be a long wait, taking all of two years. In the meantime he tried to move on to Russia using the contacts of Eva Geisler, but the Russians thought otherwise. All this time he was sick and tiring in health (Gall bladder stones). Around then, Bose met Mussolini, toured the Balkans, got his illusions about Istanbul Turkey rudely shattered, eventually landing up in Vienna. Bose wanted his writings published and while hunting for a stenographer, he met Emilie Schenkel, who became his secretary, later his lover and finally his wife.



Nambiar had in the meantime moved on to Prague, and was an established journalist for many Indian papers. Eva moved with him. Nehru was in Europe to meet his wife Kamala who was ailing and admitted there. Even though Bose could not get along well with Gandhi, he was good friends with Nehru even though their positions sometimes differed. Nehru, Kamala and Indira moved from London to Vienna. Here was where Nambiar got introduced to Nehru by Bose. Soon Nambiar was Naanu to the Nehru family. Kamala Nehru used to discuss with Nanu her anxiety about Indira marrying Feroze, Indira’s dress sense and hairstyle. (Indira Gandhi – by Katherine Frank)

When Bose returned to Berlin to try & meet Hitler, Nambiar was taken along to interpret. After that visit, Bose & Nambiar remained in constant contact and in 1942, when Azad Hind radios started broadcasting propaganda; Nambiar was very much involved in the management. When Bose met the top guns like Reinhard Heidrich and Himmler, Nambiar was his station deputy.

In Feb 1943, Bose sailed to Japan, leaving the Indian legion or the Azad Hind in Nambiar’s care. Nambiar also became the official European representative in Bose’s (Exile government) parliament.

Nambiar is famous for this story on how his Indian name helped him escape Nazi border guards…(Sourced from Sociology of Names and Nicknames of India, With Special Reference to Kashmir -by Ram Krishen Kaul)


Mr A. C. N. Nambiar was informed by his German friends that Hitler's S.S. was after him and two other Indians and they should hasten to escape to Switzerland. Nambiar took the advice, collected the two Indians and left Berlin. As they came within a few yards of the Swiss border, an S. S. Captain arrived from nowhere and stopped them. He lined them up asking questions in English. First was the Bengali, who was voluble and argumentative individual.

S. S. Captain: Name?
Bengali: Basu
S. S. Captain: Christian name?
Basu: There is no such thing in India
S. S. Captain: (shouting) Christian name?
Basu: Tarapada
S. S. Captain: Catholic or Protestant?
Basu: There is no such thing in India
S. S. Captain: (Furious) Catholic or Protestant?
Basu: Protestant
Next came A. C. N. Nambiar who knew German well.
S. S. Captain: Name?
Nambiar: Nambiar
S. S. Captain: Christian name?
Nambiar: Arathil Candeth Narayan
S. S. Captain: Catholic or Protestant?
Nambiar: Catholic
Bengali (intervening): He is no Catholic
S. S. Captain (Angry): Do you know punishment for lying?
Nambiar: I shall explain. If you look at the map of Europe you will see all the northern countries are predominantly protestant and the southern countries are predominantly Catholic. This is the result of Reformation. Mr Basu comes from northern India, that is how he is protestant. I come from the south of India, that is why I am a Catholic.
S. S. Captain: (impressed) You must be a Brahmin.
Nambiar: Yes, (Actually he is a non-Brahmin).
Last came the Telugu Brahmin who was smart.
S. S. Captain: Name?
Telugu Brahmin: Prathivadibhayankaram Thiruvenkatesh Warayya Pantulu Garu.

The S. S. Captain was flabbergasted. He looked around and made sure that no S. S. man was spying on him. Then he said, "Go, I will never be able to write this". All the three walked over to the safety of Switzerland.

Many years later, in 1947, Nambiar was appointed Ambassador to West Germany. Nehru had arrived as Indian Prime Minister, to meet Chancellor Adenauer. Around there was secretary general (External affairs ministry) NR Pillai as well who came up with this interesting anecdote (Quoted from Sankar Ghose’s autobiography of Nehru). Nambiar wanted liquor to be served for the dinner, but Nehru was famed for never permitting it. In this particular case, he said; OK tell Nanu that he can start with serving sherry followed by Moselle Wine and Rhine wine, nothing else. He and NR Pillai should abstain from drinking…

Not much is known about Nanu Nambiar or Eva Geisler after the Ambassadorial posting to Germany. All I could find was the document signed by him with the new Germany about caring for the Indian war graves in Germany. Considering that he was a year older than Bose, he would have been just 51 in 1947…

And the others in the story? “Chatto”, as the famous revolutionary was called, had managed to escape to the USSR, where (Leningrad) he worked in for many years in the Soviet Academy of Sciences. He was among the many foreign communists who lost their lives in Stalin’s “purges” of the nineteen-thirties. Suhasini Nambiar as explained earlier, escaped in the late twenties from Germany after the Nazis came to power and reached India as a stowaway in a boat. Suhasini was the first woman to join the then underground Communist Party of India and became its president. She then married Marathi trade union leader R.M. Jambhekar. Champaka Raman Pillai – Well, I covered him briefly in my blog on Emeden. He was involved in all kinds of activities, before being poisoned to death in Germany & finally succumbing to it in Italy. Bose vanished from the face of this earth and many conspiracy theories abound.

Pics - Internet - thanks





Wonder who was that Telugu Brahmin escaping Nazi Germany!!!!

What a name he gave!!!

svenkat you will get a kick out of it.

Gautam thanks for making me search for ACN^2.

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby ramana » 10 Mar 2017 05:04

From V. Balachandran account Indira Gandhi also was beholden to ACN^2 for having helped her during nervous breakdown. So its not just Nehru's interest.

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Postby krishna_krishna » 10 Mar 2017 06:08

Wow Ramana Garu,great find.No wonder Sir S Nair was who he was because of his upbringing. My respect for him and his family has increased many fold

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Postby Austin » 14 Mar 2017 22:41

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/840632925863448579


Full doc: CIA's custom mesh network system 'Fluxwire' which is used for malware control & exfiltration #Vault7 https://wikileaks.org/ciav7p1/cms/page_36405256.html


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Postby Austin » 14 Mar 2017 22:45

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Thanks!

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Re: Intelligence and National Security Discussion

Postby sum » 15 Mar 2017 10:21

Was this ever posted earlier?
Lesson from Mongolia

Mongolian intelligence has a secret agreement with the Research and Analysis Wing and the National Technical Research Organisation - which is directly under the Prime Minister's Office (PMO) - for forensic analysis of the entire raw cyber data traffic that goes across its border into China. The Mongolia-China crossing is a goldmine for such raw data given the lie of the land for global cyber traffic.

In the long run, this agreement is critical to preventing a possible cyber attack from China against Indian computer networks, especially national security networks including those of India's defence forces. The crucial agreement was finalised after China hacked computers in Manmohan Singh's PMO and other ultra-sensitive Indian establishments.



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