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Artillery Discussion Thread

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Pratyush » 13 Apr 2018 18:01

The atags APU generates 95kw from reports and is capable of moving the gun at a top speed of 12 kph. Which is 5 kph more than fh77b.

An improvement over every other parameter from Fh 77b.

Please select a winner and place the order.

The more I look at the gun traverse mechanism on the carriage. The more confident I become that we have the building block for a turreted SPH. As both the gun and the mount can be transposed on the SPH.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Kartik » 13 Apr 2018 23:59

From Livefist twitter

OFB 155mm/52 cal MBS

Can see the OFB 155mm/52cal MBS with the gun on the ground. There are hydraulically operated rakes that are used to support the system when it is to be placed on the ground. The mechanism for rotating the gun is also visible. As for questions about the truck tipping over when the gun is pointed 90 degrees to the truck, if that could happen then stabilizing supports that are hydraulically operated could be placed at the sides of the truck.

Does not seem to be as much of a hack job as what some other posters were stating earlier.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 15 Apr 2018 09:04

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120 mm guided mortar from Bharat FOrge - Elbit and auto loading system.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Thakur_B » 15 Apr 2018 10:05

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Who makes what in ATAGS, column on the left. Massive collaborative effort by DPSUs and private industry. Magnificent.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby nrshah » 15 Apr 2018 13:09

Pratyush wrote:The atags APU generates 95kw from reports and is capable of moving the gun at a top speed of 12 kph. Which is 5 kph more than fh77b.

An improvement over every other parameter from Fh 77b.

Please select a winner and place the order.

The more I look at the gun traverse mechanism on the carriage. The more confident I become that we have the building block for a turreted SPH. As both the gun and the mount can be transposed on the SPH.


As per poster, it is 110kw and and top speed is 18kmph..

Absolutely stellar efforts by India MIC... This is way to go for all the programs.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby jaysimha » 16 Apr 2018 10:57

Found this news in drdo news

https://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/npc/20 ... il2018.pdf

Sharang-The Bow of Vishnu
A Few years ago, the army decided to go in for upgrading it’s old Russian howitzers which could fire
only around 20 kilometer and were outdated. “Our system which has now been named Sharang after the bow of Lord Vishnu proved to be the most accurate in the first trials where the guns outperformed the other
competitors who had collaborated with Israeli and East European vendors,” Rituraj Dwivedi, director of
Ordnance Factory Kanpur told MAIL TODAY. The guns are now ready for induction, where they will take
part in operational roles. The cost of upgrade is around `200 crore which the experts estimate may have gone up considerably if other vendors had won it.


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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby ramana » 17 Apr 2018 02:22

Kakarat, Any clear picture of left side of that Mortar round?

Elbit version is expensive.

Ok here is the Elbit Link to LG2MK:

http://elbitsystems.com/product/guidanc ... ose-bombs/

Its not like the PGK which is a smart fuze but a whole guidance kit for mortar shell.
Looks like a laser and GPS guided shell.

Will cost quite a bit.

Jaysimha Thanks for the pdf on Sarang.


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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Kakarat » 17 Apr 2018 12:02

ramana wrote:Kakarat, Any clear picture of left side of that Mortar round?

Elbit version is expensive.

Ok here is the Elbit Link to LG2MK:

http://elbitsystems.com/product/guidanc ... ose-bombs/

Its not like the PGK which is a smart fuze but a whole guidance kit for mortar shell.
Looks like a laser and GPS guided shell.

Will cost quite a bit.

Jaysimha Thanks for the pdf on Sarang.


Sorry i missed it, on the first day we were out of time and rushing through and on the last day they did not allow people inside the stall. I have one low rez view of the shell from a pic of the ULH

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Aditya G » 18 Apr 2018 01:34

Any pictures of sharang?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Kakarat » 18 Apr 2018 01:40

Kalyani Conventional Recoil Bharat Ultra Light Howitzer (ULH) 155mm 39 CAL
https://twitter.com/kakarat2001/status/ ... 4570903553
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Kalyani Advance Hybrid Recoil Bharat Mounted Gun System (MGS) 155mm 39 CAL
https://twitter.com/kakarat2001/status/ ... 7065339904
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Brochures of Kalyani Conventional Recoil Bharat Ultra Light Howitzer (ULH) & Advance Hybrid Recoil Bharat Mounted Gun System (MGS)
https://twitter.com/kakarat2001/status/ ... 8698834944

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby ramana » 18 Apr 2018 01:47

Dhanush firing trial at DefExpo 2018

https://twitter.com/DrUddipan/status/98 ... 59136?s=19

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby ramana » 18 Apr 2018 01:49

Aditya G wrote:Any pictures of sharang?



Lot on Twitter.
Follow DrUddipan the PRO for OFB.

He has PhD from TIFR

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Prem » 18 Apr 2018 06:17

https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/04 ... -guns.html
Door Opened To India For Deeper Striking M777 Guns

While the first lot of guns are being supplied direct by BAE Systems, its Indian joint venture production partner Mahindra’s Assembly, Integration and Test (AIT) facility opens on Delhi’s outskirts by end June and will begun to supply Indian-assembled guns at a rate of five per month starting March 2019.Meanwhile, BAE Systems, which has been involved in a U.S. Army requirement to extend the range of current and future M777s with a longer barrel (from the current 39 cal to a new 55 cal barrel) has opened the door to the Indian Army to join up if its interested. BAE Systems showcased M777 and M777ER models side by side at DefExpo 2018.Speaking to Livefist, Paul West, India Campaign Director – Weapon Systems at BAE Systems said, “It could be a simply logistics decision for the Indian Army if it is interested in the extended range M777.”The M777ER is a set of six modules that can be retrofitted on existing M777 guns, doubling their effective range to between 54-70 km depending on the sort of ammunition used. The modules include a modified barrel, suspension and recoil system, and adds approximately 500 kg to the M777’s existing weight, though BAE Systems engineers are working to see if the modification can be effected with no change in the gun’s weight.The discussion and the M777 extended range option isn’t meant to be disruptive or to interrupt the Indian build program. However, it is a safer way for India to modernise looking into the future,” West says.With the BAE-Mahindra joint venture to begin churning out guns from later this year, the Indian Army has been briefed that it has the option of either retrofitting its M777s to the ER standard later, or modifying the Faridabad assembly line itself so that later tranches of the gun could be of the extended range version. The Indian Army has heard out the offer, though it remains very unclear how much manoeuvering room it may have with the existing deal considering intensifying budgetary pressures. The Army could conceivably understand the merit of advance planning on a modernised gun that it has fought hard and long for, especially with the attendant Make in India skin it will bear. But selling an additional cost on an existing deal at a time when other modernisation priorities tread water will be something else altogether.
BAE, though, is looking ahead. A more realistic option could lie beyond the current order of 145 guns. The current order is a bare 20 per cent of India’s known requirement of at least 700 ultra-light howitzer guns for its mountain divisions. West says an India-specific extended range barrel could be considered as part of work undertaken by BAE-Mahindra in India. The U.S. Army will get to fire six M777ER prototypes in 2020. The Indian production run of the M777 will be complete by June 2021.“It would be a good idea for a three-way discussion to take place at this time between the Indian Army, the U.S. Army and us. There’s huge commonality between the M777 and the M777ER,” West says.The Indian Air Force’s new Boeing CH-47F Chinook heavylift helicopters, which begin arriving in March 2019, will almost definitely count as one of their missions transporting underslung M777s to forward areas for training and exercises. The M777ER will also be Chinook-transportable, BAE Systems confirms.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 18 Apr 2018 06:45

the archer artillery of bofors also has the entire thing hanging off the back like the ofb design



the pzh gun on mlts vehicle....you can see the recoil forces ... no anchor spades


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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 18 Apr 2018 06:46

good thing is our kit is now as tfta both in function and fit n finish as the best around. the BF ULH so soothing on the eyes

the germans and soviets had the 120mm vehicle mounted mortar (including a huge 240mm 2S4 with a huge base plate).... germans had wiesel.

it can be good force multiplier for the infantry esp as another vehicle can cart lots of reload rounds. increased lethality can be done with airburst fuses and in future some sensor fused pkgs. 120mm is a real pain for infantry units to carry manually .... they are better off with the regular 81mm.

they are learning all the tricks of the big bro howitzers - in a way they are - just shorter in range and low in cost


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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Prasad » 18 Apr 2018 09:03

Interesting bit of info on the Bharat MGS on their board -
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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Pratyush » 18 Apr 2018 10:57

Has the Kalyani ULH been tested by the IA?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby hnair » 18 Apr 2018 11:03

Prem wrote:https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/04/door-opened-to-india-for-deeper-striking-m777-guns.html
Door Opened To India For Deeper Striking M777 Guns

Meanwhile, BAE Systems, which has been involved in a U.S. Army requirement to extend the range of current and future M777s with a longer barrel (from the current 39 cal to a new 55 cal barrel) has opened the door :lol: :lol: :lol: to the Indian Army to join up if its interested


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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby hnair » 18 Apr 2018 11:05

Time to give some firm pre-production orders to Kalyani-sir and see what other doors are condescendingly opened up for the native

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Kakarat » 18 Apr 2018 11:15

Pratyush wrote:Has the Kalyani ULH been tested by the IA?


No only the gun has been proof tested at CPE Itarsi. the total system (both) is heading for trials in may 18 and subsequently will be offered to the Army

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Singha » 18 Apr 2018 18:42

we should look to subsidize our domestic products by giving them as military aid (money goes GOI->desi OEM), product goes desi OEM->ally like gotus does with its aid pkgs. so while IA might not own 4 types, the unwanted can be funded and desi ecosystem built up with foreign sales.

these guns could be given to bangladesh, bhutan, sri lanka. if we dont offer or sell, the chinese surely will. offer them to nepal as well, and get its army deep into indian weapons and wean them away from whatever maoist tyrant assumes the throne in kathmandu. we can also sell them to africa, south america, afghanistan, CAR states, syria, iran :D, oman and east asia. far more useful kit than the billion dollah Thaad and F-solahs the khan finds excuses to sell all over.

arms and money are the two biggest diplomatic instruments not yak yak talk talk.

we should also build export variants of our growing family of EW and land based radar.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Prasad » 18 Apr 2018 19:48

Uh Afghanistan wants tanks, attack choppers etc. We could give them ULH and Dhanush :)

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Karan M » 18 Apr 2018 20:37

hnair wrote:Time to give some firm pre-production orders to Kalyani-sir and see what other doors are condescendingly opened up for the native


Just love that post with Kalam sir!

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby raghuk » 18 Apr 2018 21:14

From the little interaction I had at DefExpo, everybody wants the LCH either free of cost or at any price we may quote depending on the country. Almost the same with the tejas but we can only make so many of both.
Cheers!

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Will » 18 Apr 2018 23:05

hnair wrote:Time to give some firm pre-production orders to Kalyani-sir and see what other doors are condescendingly opened up for the native


Expect the IA to say that’s it’s heavier than the M777 by 5 kg and hence not suitable :roll:

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Kartik » 18 Apr 2018 23:42

raghuk wrote:From the little interaction I had at DefExpo, everybody wants the LCH either free of cost or at any price we may quote depending on the country. Almost the same with the tejas but we can only make so many of both.
Cheers!


Didn't get the "free of cost" part..but it seems the sentiment is positive for both the LCH and the Tejas..are you referring to foreign customers for both products? Any chance you could reveal the nationalities?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby ramana » 19 Apr 2018 00:49

hnair wrote:
Prem wrote:https://www.livefistdefence.com/2018/04/door-opened-to-india-for-deeper-striking-m777-guns.html
Door Opened To India For Deeper Striking M777 Guns





BAE has not lost any of their arrogance even after becoming a mostly US company.

Have they resolved what happened to their guns during trials?

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Prem » 19 Apr 2018 02:58

BAE afraid of India making her own matching gun or even best them in this game.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby Cybaru » 19 Apr 2018 04:12

raghuk wrote:From the little interaction I had at DefExpo, everybody wants the LCH either free of cost or at any price we may quote depending on the country. Almost the same with the tejas but we can only make so many of both.
Cheers!



What about the users, what are you hearing back from them? things you can talk about ofcourse, if you can't that's ok.

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Re: Artillery Discussion Thread

Postby raghuk » 19 Apr 2018 08:11

Kartik wrote:
raghuk wrote:From the little interaction I had at DefExpo, everybody wants the LCH either free of cost or at any price we may quote depending on the country. Almost the same with the tejas but we can only make so many of both.
Cheers!


Didn't get the "free of cost" part..but it seems the sentiment is positive for both the LCH and the Tejas..are you referring to foreign customers for both products? Any chance you could reveal the nationalities?

As in gift from the Indian govt to keep the fire breathing lizard out. Yes I was referring to foreign customers. Guessing thr nationalities shouldn't be a problem if you get what I mean.
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