Artillery: News & Discussion

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 18 Sep 2018 09:11

compared to basic desert camo here in siachen base camp, the grey or blue overlays in pic I linked will blend in better
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3EPk_0d2A8s/hqdefault.jpg

I dont see anything wrong in it.

desi effort people will instinctively boo boo.
german leopard people will wah wah
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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 20 Sep 2018 03:13

Because I have OCD :), I added all the numbers below...a tad below 3,000. But the point to note is, WOW :eek:

If all goes to plan, in 7+ years, Indian Artillery will undergo a serious transformation!

https://twitter.com/iPraksy/status/1041009599300550656 ----> Indian Army's Artillery Guns Programme for 3,000+ Guns by 2025:

▪ Ultra-Light Guns: 145 155mm × 39 M-777
▪ Tracked Guns: 100 155mm × 52 K9 Vajra-T
▪ Towed Guns: 114 + 300 155mm x 45 Dhanush and 190 + 1,000 155mm × 52 ATAGS
▪ Mounted Guns: 814 155mm × 52 Dhanush-2
▪ Upgraded Guns: 300 155mm × 45 M-46

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 20 Sep 2018 03:17

https://twitter.com/strategic_front/sta ... 7158519808 ---> The indigenously developed Mounted Gun System (MGS) from Gun Carriage Factory (GCF) OFB will commence testing in November. The system utilizes the Dhanush 155mm x 52 gun. The Indian Army has a stated requirement for 814 such systems.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 20 Sep 2018 03:21

ks_sachin wrote:

My question was what makes a weapon TFTA???


Good question. The requirements people would deliberately choose technology so far out that rivals will eternally be seeking to play catch-up. A TFTA weapon system will trap you into eternal game of catch up.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 20 Sep 2018 06:51

ramana wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:My question was what makes a weapon TFTA???


Good question. The requirements people would deliberately choose technology so far out that rivals will eternally be seeking to play catch-up. A TFTA weapon system will trap you into eternal game of catch up.

So why does BR or some people have a fetish about TFTA? I keep reading comments about it from people who probably know bugger all about weapos and dev.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Pratyush » 20 Sep 2018 12:41

We don't have a fetish for TFTA. We're used to sdre things and get surprised at stuff that is not sdre.

So by default it gets classified as TFTA when its fit and finish is more uniform or the paint job is high quality. Instead of being dunked in a drum of paint.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Manish_P » 28 Sep 2018 12:11

It's Gunners Day today

So wishing a Happy Gunners Day to our artillery folk - "Sarvatra Izzat ‘O’ Iqbal"

Keep Booming, you Gods of War!

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 28 Sep 2018 13:55

Hear. Hear.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 29 Sep 2018 04:11




Again 13 modifications proposed and implemented on a gun already accepted and made in world!

What prompts IA to tinker with already made products?

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Kashi » 29 Sep 2018 05:32

Wasn't one of the modifications about enabling the Vajra to operate in desert environments, quite different from the hills and fields of Paju-Kaesong corridor.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Philip » 29 Sep 2018 11:08

Sorry, shouldn't it be Vajra hits targets in Porkistan? We're told that yesterday the Porkis suffered heavy casualties from our arty fire.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 29 Sep 2018 11:57

the MGS looks very soothing and low slung. a mix of the OFB MGS and bharat forge Denel should be ordered

one thing we are clueless about is mixing large orders to keep all big operators in business (boeing/LM/NG/raytheon) .... US goes to extent of letting the L2 bidder build the L1 bidders design....thats why i believe the DDG51 gets built in 2 shipyards.

by using political clout, OFB should not be allowed to corner all orders.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 29 Sep 2018 14:54

Singha wrote:the MGS looks very soothing and low slung. a mix of the OFB MGS and bharat forge Denel should be ordered

one thing we are clueless about is mixing large orders to keep all big operators in business (boeing/LM/NG/raytheon) .... US goes to extent of letting the L2 bidder build the L1 bidders design....thats why i believe the DDG51 gets built in 2 shipyards.

by using political clout, OFB should not be allowed to corner all orders.

Why mix. If MGS works the order just that Multiple types play havoc with logistics...let Bharat forge also manufacture the same.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Khalsa » 30 Sep 2018 04:19

Rakesh wrote:
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I love this gun & the set up especially.

SP, light as it could be, agile.
Dhanush barrel.
Desi and no more money to the middle men or our own.


Just full marks on all aspects !!

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Vips » 30 Sep 2018 05:57

If only the Tatra truck is replaced by TATA or ASHOK Leyland 8X8. I hope OFB does not give lazy BEML the opportunity to show topline growth every year just by doing screwdrivergiri. Pretty stupid to buy foreign stuff when Indian products would atleast be equal if not better.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Thakur_B » 30 Sep 2018 12:38

Singha wrote:the MGS looks very soothing and low slung. a mix of the OFB MGS and bharat forge Denel should be ordered



Singha ji it's Tata Denel MGS with that TFTA lintel design.
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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 01 Oct 2018 00:10

Our neighbor's joy and pride, with it's orginal owner catching fire.


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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 01 Oct 2018 10:12

So all OFB shells working fine!!!!

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 01 Oct 2018 10:30

Vips wrote:If only the Tatra truck is replaced by TATA or ASHOK Leyland 8X8. I hope OFB does not give lazy BEML the opportunity to show topline growth every year just by doing screwdrivergiri. Pretty stupid to buy foreign stuff when Indian products would atleast be equal if not better.

Tatra is in a different league..

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ashishvikas » 01 Oct 2018 10:52

ks_sachin wrote:
Vips wrote:If only the Tatra truck is replaced by TATA or ASHOK Leyland 8X8. I hope OFB does not give lazy BEML the opportunity to show topline growth every year just by doing screwdrivergiri. Pretty stupid to buy foreign stuff when Indian products would atleast be equal if not better.

Tatra is in a different league..


Are TATAs/AL 8x8 not good enough against TATRA ? What makes them so special ?

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 01 Oct 2018 12:02

Tatra 815 from Wiki


Central load-carrying tube
The primary structural feature of Tatra trucks is the central load carrying tube, also called a backbone frame. All other parts of the truck are mounted to this rigid assembly. The inherently high torsional and flexural rigidity of this layout protects superstructures from the motions and forces on the axles. Torque distribution to the axles is also carried within the backbone.[5]


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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Singha » 01 Oct 2018 12:22

tatra and the russian "urals" trucks are formidable in x-country on really bad terrain.

the murican HEMTT and the leyland, tatas do not look as able to push through impossible conditions.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ramana » 01 Oct 2018 12:36

GD read the description of central torque tube,

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 01 Oct 2018 12:42

ashishvikas wrote:
ks_sachin wrote:Tatra is in a different league..


Are TATAs/AL 8x8 not good enough against TATRA ? What makes them so special ?

Thete is more to it than 8c8 wheels!!!

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 12 Oct 2018 06:06

https://twitter.com/sjha1618/status/105 ... 92832?s=21 —> Kalyani says that the titanium version of its 155 mm /39 caliber ultra lightweight howitzer (ULH) weighs 4.5 tonne, while the steel version is heavier at 6.7 tonne.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 13 Oct 2018 22:51

Found this during my internet surfing. BF ULH firing "something".

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby abhik » 14 Oct 2018 12:40

Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/sjha1618/status/1050486401622392832?s=21 —> Kalyani says that the titanium version of its 155 mm /39 caliber ultra lightweight howitzer (ULH) weighs 4.5 tonne, while the steel version is heavier at 6.7 tonne.

I was expecting it be be lesser than that, given that the 40 year old M198 comes in at 7.1t.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby kit » 14 Oct 2018 12:49

Amass a 1000 artillery guns on the paki border and let them loose at any terrorist ..or better to use specialised ones to burrow tunnels :((

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Kakarat » 14 Oct 2018 15:06

abhik wrote:
Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/sjha1618/status/1050486401622392832?s=21 —> Kalyani says that the titanium version of its 155 mm /39 caliber ultra lightweight howitzer (ULH) weighs 4.5 tonne, while the steel version is heavier at 6.7 tonne.

I was expecting it be be lesser than that, given that the 40 year old M198 comes in at 7.1t.


I think its ok for a company making their first light gun, From my discussion with a company representative involved in the project they have made it modular so that the gun can be divided into parts for transportation and reassembled in the field with minimum effort. They have made the steel version mainly to make them more affordable

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 14 Oct 2018 15:14

Also titanium version are maintenance intensive & expensive, compared to traditional metal like steel.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby JayS » 14 Oct 2018 15:57

nam wrote:Found this during my internet surfing. BF ULH firing "something".

Looks like they have something fixed at the opening of the barrel, perhaps the projectile part of the shell. Some intermediate fire testing looks like. But nonetheless good to see.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 14 Oct 2018 18:29

That looks like gas just as it comes out of muzzle break. The shell is just about past the barrel. It’s still at a stage where gases cannot expand out from front.

JMT

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby abhik » 14 Oct 2018 18:54

JayS wrote:
nam wrote:Found this during my internet surfing. BF ULH firing "something".

Looks like they have something fixed at the opening of the barrel, perhaps the projectile part of the shell. Some intermediate fire testing looks like. But nonetheless good to see.

The towing ring/bar probably.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby nam » 14 Oct 2018 19:01

It looks like a round and some explosive charge under the round.

The explosion seem to push the barrel back, like a usual round firing. Although the round is not exiting the barrel, rather it is already out of the barrel.

This may be testing of the recoil system. Not qualified enough to guess why they are doing it this way. However the recoil system for this round looks more stable than other ULWH system.
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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Kakarat » 14 Oct 2018 19:40

abhik wrote:
JayS wrote:Looks like they have something fixed at the opening of the barrel, perhaps the projectile part of the shell. Some intermediate fire testing looks like. But nonetheless good to see.

The towing ring/bar probably.


The GIF starts from the moment the shell leaves the barrel and not the entire sequence so the shell seems static & looks like its fixed to the barrel

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby JayS » 14 Oct 2018 20:53

^^ Quite possible. That makes more sense.

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby ks_sachin » 15 Oct 2018 14:44

JayS wrote:^^ Quite possible. That makes more sense.

And supports my hypothesis...JMT

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Katare » 16 Oct 2018 21:31

Cold testing only,

hot fire would not produce nice watery clouds but fire of hell coming out of the muzzle brakes

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Re: Artillery: News & Discussion

Postby Rakesh » 18 Oct 2018 06:22

https://twitter.com/livefist/status/1052570755358060547 ---> Great photos accessed by Rahul Singh: first of the K9 Vajra and M777 at the Indian Army's Deolali firing range.

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