Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby rohitvats » 23 Apr 2016 21:05

Lalmohan wrote:do they all have mine ploughs?


Lalmohan, the Armored Division Engineering Regiment has Breaching Troop per Field Squadron. These are equipped with Trawler tanks. These Regiments also have APC and BLT.

Another type of Engineering Regiments are called Assault Engineers. These are generally held at Corps level (in case of Strike Corps) or Command HQ level. These are also equipped with Breaching Trawlers and BLT.

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Postby Lalmohan » 23 Apr 2016 21:49

yes sir, i was only curious about the regular T55's that i hear are assigned to the engineers (as above) - i do understand the role of specialist vehicles

my thinking was that if there are surplus old tanks around, they can indeed be used as general purpose armoured vehicles where they don't have to be cutting edge, but provide some protection or simple assault capabilities, or just be a big tractor

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Postby BharadwajV » 23 Apr 2016 22:14

Do we have armoured Dozers in service?

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Postby tsarkar » 24 Apr 2016 00:28

Lalmohan wrote:do they all have mine ploughs?

If you check the photo on the previous page, it has a retracted mine plough. It's much better to use old tanks for this purpose.

Also check the Charge Line Mine Clearing equipment towed by T-55
http://www.drdo.gov.in/drdo/pub/techfoc ... geline.htm

While Paratroopers & Special Forces hog the limelight, sappers are the vanguards doing these engineering tasks under fire.

Those who've read Operation Market Garden in WW2 would realise the work done by sappers. In India, Prem Bhagat won VC and R R Rane won PVC in 1948 demolishing Pakistani roadblocks, clearing minefields, and creating routes for our tracks.

The crowing moment for the sappers was the Battle of Ghazni in 1839 where Bengal & Bombay Sappers breached the walls. 13 Bengal Sappers and 6 Bombay Sappers were awarded the first gallantry medals instituted. The engineers consider this victory to avenge the raids of Mehmud of Ghazni's India invasion.

Note the role of the Chief Engineer in the battle here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Ghazni

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 24 Apr 2016 02:58

Rohit,

Small correction - they are not Engineering Regts but Engineer Regts. There are 3 Engr Groups (also called Sapper groups) - in order of seniority Madras Sappers (Thambi troops), Bengal Sappers (Jat Sikhs and North Indian classes), Bombay Sappers ( 45% Marathas, 45% Mazabhi Sikhs and 10% other classes) with centres at Bangalore, Roorkee and Khadkee in Pune respectively. The Bombay Sappers have given 3 Vice Chiefs to the army recently. In addition as T Sarkar sir said Gen PS Bhagat (also of the Bombay Sappers) won the Victoria Cross. He was also supposed to be Army Chief but (Indira Gandhi's bureacucrats thought he was to independent minded and superseded him (just like she did with Gen Sinha).

Maj RR Rane of the Bombay Sappers won the PVC during 1948 ops for mine clearing using a tank as cover...rigging the tank up with ropes to signal to driver, crawling under tank and moving forward with the tank providing cover. Nb Subedar Gurnam Singh won the AC posthumously.

Coming back to mine ploughs, each Engr Group has 1 Armoured Engr Regt for example 1 Armoured Engr Regt of the Madras Sappers and 114 Armoured Engr Regt of the Bombay Sappers. So each of the 3 Armoured Divs have an integral Armoured Engr Regt. Current Vice Chief Gen MMS Rai is from 114 Armoured Engr Regt. All Infantry Divs and RAPIDs also have an integral Engr Regt.

Another tidbit, the Engrs are senior to infantry and armoured regts. Till a few years ago the first marching contingent of the Republic Day Parade was a Sapper contingent from one of the groups. They won several best marching contingents awards too. Now they are allowed to march only once in 3 years. Why ? Very controversial.
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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 24 Apr 2016 03:09

Engrs also carry out bridge demolition and bridge building (the 71 ops in East Pakistan were called the sappers war), bomb and booby trap disposal and of course mine laying etc. Task is to provide mobility to own forces and deny mobility to the enemy. As T Sarkar sir says First in Last out. Every sapper is triple trained - as an infantryman, as a sapper and as a tradesman. After their engr tasks they often join the infantry in assaults. Do a sterling job in RR too.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby nelson » 24 Apr 2016 08:34

@Akshay
Armour is seniormost of major arms. Followed by Artillery, AAD, Army Aviation and then Engineers. Signals, Infantry and Mechanized Infantry follow in that order.

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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 24 Apr 2016 10:40

Nelson,

You are absolutely correct. I went back to my post and checked if I had written otherwise and saw that I had written Engrs were senior to armoured corps by mistake.

But Mech Inf is senior to Inf. Air Defence and Army Aviation are senior because they draw their heritage from the Arty. Another interesting thing - both Engrs and Arty have Sarvatra in their mottos

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby rohitvats » 25 Apr 2016 19:10

From: http://www.indiandefencereview.com/news/indian-airborne-troops-script-history/

On the eve of April 22, 2016, at Bamanwali, 60 km from Nal Air Field near Suratgarh, the Indian Army and the Air Force displayed highest levels of joint-man-ship. The Agra based 50 Para Brigade created a history by conducting an Air Assault that involved 1900 paratroopers, one Infantry Combat Vehicle, three 105mm field guns and a Mobile Surgical hospital. The elements of this brigade group were air lifted from four different mounting bases in the Western sector, Agra, Bhatinda, Jodhpur and Surat and Suratgarh. This was the first time when such a force was air dropped

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby deejay » 25 Apr 2016 20:14

RV, Kapoor Sir,

any particular insights about the exercises conducted by IA and joint drills from last year on wards.

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Postby Aditya G » 25 Apr 2016 23:19

That IDR article is a keeper.... lots of juicy bits!

Indian Airborne Troops Script History

By Danvir Singh
Issue: Net Edition | Date : 25 Apr , 2016

On the eve of April 22, 2016, at Bamanwali, 60 km from Nal Air Field near Suratgarh, the Indian Army and the Air Force displayed highest levels of joint-man-ship. The Agra based 50 Para Brigade created a history by conducting an Air Assault that involved 1900 paratroopers, one Infantry Combat Vehicle, three 105mm field guns and a Mobile Surgical hospital. The elements of this brigade group were air lifted from four different mounting bases in the Western sector, Agra, Bhatinda, Jodhpur and Suratgarh. This was the first time when such a force was air dropped.

The Indian Air Force employed three Russian made IL-76 and fourteen AN-32s. Their latest in inventory, the American Globe Master, C-17 and the Hercules, C-130 were also put to test. This manoeuvre was carried out simulating a 100 km deep strike air assault intended in the heartland of Pakistan, an aim being to secure the projection area.

In an eventuality of a conflict with Pakistan, the elite strike corps like the Mathura based 1 Corps, has the potential to split the enemy in to two, by carrying out a surgical strike. The Pivot Corps would provide firm bases to launch such a strike. The Strike Corps’ infantry components would capture tactical areas on the multi tired obstacles (irrigation canals) on the Pakistani side at a lightning speed. This would facilitate the breaking out of the armour and mechanised columns, thus unleashing terror in the heart of Islamic Republic of Pakistan. :twisted:

Simultaneously the airborne troops would have secured a projection area where these inducted Mechanised forces would consolidate. This action by the Indian Army would invite and draw in both the enemy’s Army Reserves, South and the North, thus nearly an assured complete annihilation of Pakistan Army in tank vs tank battles. 8)

The Indian Military might at display, in the largest ever war game, “Shatrujeet”, being conducted on these lines in the deserts of Rajasthan is unprecedented by all measures. With 36000 troops conducting war manoeuvres in this simmering heat, India has sent across a strong message to Raheel Sharif, his army and the Rawalpindi bred Jihadis.

Speaking to the officers of the Military Operation’s branch on the side lines was really very reassuring, their confidence was speaking by itself. They informed that the capability to air drop a formation existed only with the countries like the US, Russia and China. India has now joined this elite club. This airborne exercise has validated the IL-76 better than the American machines in use. The Air Headquarter after this event is now considering to enhance the operational service of the Russian IL-76 which was otherwise drawing to an end in the next three years, they added.

At the question of the recent threat by General Raheel Sharif, of using a tactical nuclear weapon in response to our Cold Start. And the possibility of such a use by the Pakistan Army on these Air Borne troops securing the Projection Area, say in general area of Bhawalpur and Multan. These officers informed, that any land where the Indian Army soldier sets foot, is a deemed Indian territory. Any misadventure by the Pakistan Army of even showing an intent of using a nuclear weapon, let alone the use, would invite a prompt and a heavy response unbearable by the enemy wiping it out off the map of the world.

This capability displayed by the Indian Armed forces could also be put to use for ‘Out of Area Contingencies’ in assistance of friendly foreign countries, during a natural calamity when the lines of communications are completely destroyed or force projection in the archipelago and the Indian Ocean littorals along with the Indian Navy and Amphibious troops.

These are the initial symptoms of a super power in the making.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby sudeepj » 25 Apr 2016 23:58

1500 paratroopers are enough to shake the confidence of any defense! Add the 3 artillery pieces and you have a very potent force indeed. I wonder why only one tracked vehicle, presumably a BMP-2 was dropped. I am guessing it had to play a very specific role.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby VinodTK » 26 Apr 2016 02:46

Indian Army to have theatre commands like China
With China having re-structured its military commands in October last year, the Indian Army – the biggest of the three armed forces — has been told to work on a long-term integration with the IAF and the Navy to have joint commands.

The bi-annual Army Commanders’ conference commenced in New Delhi today with the Army top brass listed to discuss a host of issues related to operations, threats and future planning.

Sources said China-style joint commands were a long-term plan and the top brass of all three forces had been told to discuss the issue among themselves. The IAF and the Navy have already completed their conferences. Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar visited one such joint command in Chengdu China on April 19.

A joint command, termed in military parlance as a ‘theatre command’ places the resources of all forces at the command of senior military commander. For example a ‘theatre command’ in the east will integrate components of the IAF and the Army and also have flotilla of the Navy integrated with it. At present, the only joint command is in Andaman and Nicobar.

The Army Commanders’ conference is the highest level ‘Army conference’ held to discuss current internal and external strategic issues, review of operational preparedness of the Army and aspects pertaining to training, administration, military technology and force modernisation. The conference will culminate on 30 April 2016.

Meanwhile, addressing the Army Commanders’ conference, Army Chief General Dalbir Singh Suhag stressed the necessity to maintain a high degree of vigil and operational preparedness along disputed borders.

He complimented commanders and troops in successfully executing recent counter-terrorist operations, while displaying due restraint.

General Suhag, who visited the exercise Shatrujeet over the weekend in Rajasthan, stressed the necessity of speeding up the Army’s modernisation and capability development initiative. He stressed all commanders to continuously monitor and maintain internal health, values and ethics in all formations and units.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Khalsa » 26 Apr 2016 05:20

Karan M wrote:How are we using T-55s as battle taxis? How many engineers can they carry with equipment? Doens;'t add up..


Hi Karan, as Rohit and others have added.
Nope not battle taxis but for specific tasks.

However I proposed the ideas of forming up a core group if IFVs that were heavy IFV/ BMP instead of the standard issue.

One of the best works I saw done as was a Ukrainian design.
They key features were:
Engine upgraded and replaced with new pack providing 200 extra HP.
Swap front end of the vehicle with the rear, so the vehicle drives backward comparing with the original T-55.
Turret was removed and free space was converted into the troop compartment.
Engine at the front provides added protection incase of a critical armour piercing hit.
RCWS added on top.

IMHO this would be ideal re-use of the huge stock of T-55s we have. The engineers would love this as their battle taxis.
Especially the assault engineers as pointed out by my informed Rakshaks.
and to take the thinking further, I am sure some of the armoured regiments might been like to inherit these for auxiliary purposes as well.

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More Info @
http://www.military-today.com/apc/bmp_55.htm

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Postby rkhanna » 26 Apr 2016 09:23

Dont forget what the Israelis did by converting the T-55 into the Achzarit IFV

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 26 Apr 2016 12:17

Deejay,

No inside view recently but a couple of thoughts from previous discussions with Ops guys and COs or Armoured Regts. 1. Air land Battle concepts have been ironed out and practiced for some time now. I'd say atleast 5 years. Air power is expected to support strike corps in a big way. Infact ( a bit to my disquiet) army seems to be relying on air power more than arty atleast as far as strike Corps are concerned. This worries me because demands on the IAF will be huge in a war - they are expected to fill in for lack of SP Arty (Self Propelled Arty), attack rail heads, POL dumps, Assembly areas etc, plus hit deep strategic targets and get air superiority as well ! This is neither fair nor feasible given the lack of assets with IAF. The IAF will have more on its head in future wars than in any other war till now. Do check with your course mates what the IAF perception is. Maybe I am wrong - after all these DS solutions (Directing Staff) solutions from staff college types may be right :-).

2. There is definitely an increase in tempo of exercises in SW command. Remember a lot of major exercises have been done in the SW Command (1 Corps and 10 Corps) and Southern Command (21 Corps and 12 Corps). Our offensives will come in these areas - south Punjab and Sindh. Re capturing DCB and water obstacles with thunderclap surprise and then using Engr Brigades to bridge them and then get the mechanised forces over it , I am a little sceptical. Enemy action will be intense (they know our main thrust areas) and we lack firepower. Unless we can increase our firepower by a factor of 3 or 4 I would never take this risk as a commander especially since the IAF is expected to play a big role here in the absence of enough Arty. I would surreptitiously move 2 Corps to Jammu and launch limited offensive where they would be least expected.

Lastly I like it that at least the army is strongly signalling tactical nuke blackmail will not work. But as a Paki commander I would ignore this threat as the army does not control the nukes or even the delivery systems and I know from experience that the Indian politicians and Babus will chicken out. So as Paki general I wouldn't worry about that.

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Postby shiv » 26 Apr 2016 17:14

Aditya G wrote: These officers informed, that any land where the Indian Army soldier sets foot, is a deemed Indian territory. Any misadventure by the Pakistan Army of even showing an intent of using a nuclear weapon, let alone the use, would invite a prompt and a heavy response unbearable by the enemy wiping it out off the map of the world.


I _L_i_k_e_ this language. This is the way to talk.

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Postby deejay » 26 Apr 2016 17:37

Akshay Kapoor wrote:Deejay,

No inside view recently but a couple of thoughts from previous discussions with Ops guys and COs or Armoured Regts. 1. Air land Battle concepts have been ironed out and practiced for some time now. I'd say atleast 5 years. Air power is expected to support strike corps in a big way. Infact ( a bit to my disquiet) army seems to be relying on air power more than arty atleast as far as strike Corps are concerned. This worries me because demands on the IAF will be huge in a war - they are expected to fill in for lack of SP Arty (Self Propelled Arty), attack rail heads, POL dumps, Assembly areas etc, plus hit deep strategic targets and get air superiority as well ! This is neither fair nor feasible given the lack of assets with IAF. The IAF will have more on its head in future wars than in any other war till now. Do check with your course mates what the IAF perception is. Maybe I am wrong - after all these DS solutions (Directing Staff) solutions from staff college types may be right :-).

2. There is definitely an increase in tempo of exercises in SW command. Remember a lot of major exercises have been done in the SW Command (1 Corps and 10 Corps) and Southern Command (21 Corps and 12 Corps). Our offensives will come in these areas - south Punjab and Sindh. Re capturing DCB and water obstacles with thunderclap surprise and then using Engr Brigades to bridge them and then get the mechanised forces over it , I am a little sceptical. Enemy action will be intense (they know our main thrust areas) and we lack firepower. Unless we can increase our firepower by a factor of 3 or 4 I would never take this risk as a commander especially since the IAF is expected to play a big role here in the absence of enough Arty. I would surreptitiously move 2 Corps to Jammu and launch limited offensive where they would be least expected.

Lastly I like it that at least the army is strongly signalling tactical nuke blackmail will not work. But as a Paki commander I would ignore this threat as the army does not control the nukes or even the delivery systems and I know from experience that the Indian politicians and Babus will chicken out. So as Paki general I wouldn't worry about that.


Thank You, for that brief.

To resonate with you, I am not sure how the enlarged IAF role is being planned. IAF is struggling with numbers. While heavy lift and medium lift capabilities have gone up, our fighter force is not anywhere close to comfort levels.

I will check with folks in IAF and see if they can throw some light.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 26 Apr 2016 17:49

Thanks Deejay,

thats exactly my concern. Maybe at higher staff levels a bigger role for IAF in terms of fire support is not being planned but I do remember two conversations some time ago with COs of Armoured Regts who said 'Arty is no problem, IAF will support us'. And then GS Ops guy in a separate conversation said 'we will have lots of air support and firepower'. I asked him ' Kahan se yaar'. He said IAF is getting lots of new aircraft including Tejas and Arty guns are also coming. I said 'tu aur main buddhe ho jayenge by then'. That was 3 years ago.

Maybe being cavalrymen they were showing their usual panache but the GS guy was a practical Engr officer.

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Postby Aditya G » 26 Apr 2016 22:17

Iaf support: that maybe via apaches no?

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Postby member_29190 » 26 Apr 2016 22:55

Even if the numbers are not at desired level, we have been replacing Mig-21's/Mig-27s with SU-30, which is a quantum jump in tonnage delivered.

For simiplicity purpose if a earlier scenario requiring 4 Mig-27 on CAS is replaced with 2 SU-30, that is still a massive jump. 4 Mig27 loadout & loitering does even come close to 2 SU-30's. And You dont need escort for SU-30. IA has never had anything like SU30 for CAS before.

As I said in my earlier thread Su30 .. 26 bums, 5 to 6 hours on station..we have 250+ of them.

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Postby member_24684 » 27 Apr 2016 08:22

nit wrote:Even if the numbers are not at desired level, we have been replacing Mig-21's/Mig-27s with SU-30, which is a quantum jump in tonnage delivered.

For simiplicity purpose if a earlier scenario requiring 4 Mig-27 on CAS is replaced with 2 SU-30, that is still a massive jump. 4 Mig27 loadout & loitering does even come close to 2 SU-30's. And You dont need escort for SU-30. IA has never had anything like SU30 for CAS before.

As I said in my earlier thread Su30 .. 26 bums, 5 to 6 hours on station..we have 250+ of them.


answers

Srai in Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

That will impact any nearby friendlies as well.


Cybaru in Su-30: News and Discussion - August 9 , 2014

Yeah, the un precision work isn't for areas where friendlies are behind another rock exchanging bullets from hand held devices... 5-10 kms behind enemy line, this would do wonders.



Su 30 MKI will not perform CAS- Close air support rather it can perform bombardment missions along the enemy line

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby member_29378 » 27 Apr 2016 08:37

Why wont the Sukhois perform CAS, if required? It doesn't have to be unguided munitions as shown in that 26 bomb image. PGMs can be delivered like any other modern aircraft. Lack of PGMs in the inventory could be an issue though...

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 27 Apr 2016 08:41

is there a master switch to release all N bombs simultaneously in these carpet bomb missions?
I would imagine individual one by one drop option is also there for loitering harassment and target of opportunity missions.

we really ought to let go of the PGM fetish until our domestic projects come through and deliver cheaply by the truckload.

iphone6 AASMs are for rich brats only.

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Postby member_29190 » 27 Apr 2016 15:43

I will go back to how was CAS done in 65 & 71 at a time when there no "JDAM"s? How was CAS done with Mig -27? Were there no friendly fire considerations?

250KG Pre-fag HE will effect the same area now as it was 71. It is obvious that you call in CAS where an enemy unit is spotted at the farthest distance as possible.

If the distance is comfortable we can go for Iraqi style highway of death turnkey shots. If not use PGM.

Ofcourse as Singha said, we need truckload of them. Ideally 100/150kg sized PGM.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 27 Apr 2016 23:55

deejay wrote:RV, Kapoor Sir,

any particular insights about the exercises conducted by IA and joint drills from last year on wards.


Yogi Patel is our resident Army exercise expert.

Will ask his input.

Old BRM and SRR had many articles by him explaining the exercises.

One thing I like is the 100 km deep strike.
Agreed its not the same as FSU deep battle area of 150 miles, this is good enough in Indian context.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Ashokk » 05 May 2016 19:58

Army Officer, 8 Of His Men, Arrested For Allegedly Stealing Smuggled Gold
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A senior army officer and 8 armymen have been arrested for allegedly stealing gold bars seized from smugglers in Mizoram.

In December 2014, Colonel Jasjit Singh and his men from his 39 Assam Rifles, had intercepted over 50 gold bars being smuggled in from Myanmar.

But the seized gold was not deposited to the treasury. The smugglers were allowed to go.

The Mizoram Police alleges efforts were made to recover the gold when it was found that a unit of the 39 Assam Rifles had intercepted it.

A case was filed on April 21, 2016 and Special Investigation team formed to look into the heist and the involvement of the army unit.

Colonel Singh allegedly refused to cooperate with the investigation and moved for anticipatory bail. But he was arrested today after his bail plea was rejected. He is in the custody of Mizoram police now.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 05 May 2016 20:03

Isn't AR a paramilitary unit?

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 05 May 2016 20:04

Singha wrote:is there a master switch to release all N bombs simultaneously in these carpet bomb missions?
I would imagine individual one by one drop option is also there for loitering harassment and target of opportunity missions.

we really ought to let go of the PGM fetish until our domestic projects come through and deliver cheaply by the truckload.

iphone6 AASMs are for rich brats only.


the possibility of survival of the aircraft in an operational state is also to be considered. These birds are full of electronics that are actually necessary for flight and the EMP factor cannot be underestimated.

the vaccum tube technology used during the earlier nuke attack may have withstood the EMP better.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby rakall » 05 May 2016 22:58

ashokk wrote:Army Officer, 8 Of His Men, Arrested For Allegedly Stealing Smuggled Gold
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A senior army officer and 8 armymen have been arrested for allegedly stealing gold bars seized from smugglers in Mizoram.

In December 2014, Colonel Jasjit Singh and his men from his 39 Assam Rifles, had intercepted over 50 gold bars being smuggled in from Myanmar.

But the seized gold was not deposited to the treasury. The smugglers were allowed to go.

The Mizoram Police alleges efforts were made to recover the gold when it was found that a unit of the 39 Assam Rifles had intercepted it.

A case was filed on April 21, 2016 and Special Investigation team formed to look into the heist and the involvement of the army unit.

Colonel Singh allegedly refused to cooperate with the investigation and moved for anticipatory bail. But he was arrested today after his bail plea was rejected. He is in the custody of Mizoram police now.



Totally shameful..

EVen more shameful is what ex-COAS Gen.BikramSingh seemed to have done.. Info gleaned from Twitter - this guy had dubious record and did not deserve promotion from Lt.Col.. But he is a relative of Gen.BikramSingh who as COAS got him promoted to a Col..

I did not need any additional reasons to be totally averse to Gen.BikramSingh, but this is one additional fcukup..

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Surya » 05 May 2016 23:40

AR is staffed by Army officers

As my SF friend says - fat contented look should tell you something is wrong with these type of guys

what a shame - that too in uniform - wish they had change to civvies and dragged him off

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby sudeepj » 05 May 2016 23:52

Surya wrote:AR is staffed by Army officers

As my SF friend says - fat contented look should tell you something is wrong with these type of guys

what a shame - that too in uniform - wish they had change to civvies and dragged him off


You take one look at the officer and you know who is a fighting officer and who is not.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Khalsa » 06 May 2016 01:35

Karan M wrote:Isn't AR a paramilitary unit?


Does it matter Karan ? I can see a uniform on his body that belongs to the Republic of India.
So bloody ashamed at what he has done. What hurts even more that he is fairly high ranking officer.

e f f ing EGG Head !! MC / BC !!
Good he is busted , I hope they play his pictures day in and day out on TV.

No Mercy for the corrupt!!

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 06 May 2016 03:02

It is sad and I completely get your anger and frustration at state of affairs, but then past 8 years we saw multiple folks being distracted by lure of easy fixes since people at top of GOI were corrupt and would plant such individuals at specific places. Fish rot from the head. Hopefully, now things will change for the better.

One thing though, gent has not been convicted. The media will run its own game but I'd wait for the IA or courts to determine the final details.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 06 May 2016 03:03

Surya wrote:AR is staffed by Army officers

As my SF friend says - fat contented look should tell you something is wrong with these type of guys

what a shame - that too in uniform - wish they had change to civvies and dragged him off


Yes, staffed by IA but being out of IA ambit, I suspect has led to a host of such issues. Not the first time they are being accused of corruption.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby srai » 06 May 2016 03:52

^^^

There was an undercover sting that exposed AR corruption a couple of years ago too. They were taking upfront money for building project approvals (or something like that). It was a network of army men from Colonel down and each getting their cut (some of which continued even after their re-posting). Just shows the tip of an iceberg IMO.

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Surya » 06 May 2016 04:14

Yes Sadly AR has a terrible reputation every which way

starting to wonder if its worth it with the plethora of para military forces we have

Perhaps Akshay can give his views

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Viv S » 06 May 2016 05:14

Given how often I hear the phrase 'presstitute' being used on the forum, we do seem remarkably quick to hang an officer based on a news report and some chatter on social media...

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 06 May 2016 05:39

>>One thing though, gent has not been convicted. The media will run its own game but I'd wait for the IA or courts to determine the final details.

yeah sure, quick to hang. royal "we".

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Re: Indian Army: News and Discussions 11 June 2014

Postby shiv » 06 May 2016 06:14

Chinmay wrote:Why wont the Sukhois perform CAS, if required? It doesn't have to be unguided munitions as shown in that 26 bomb image. PGMs can be delivered like any other modern aircraft. Lack of PGMs in the inventory could be an issue though...

It is certainly feasible depending on the requirement. Reading war accounts from 1971 and others there have been situations where a particular battle zone is threatened by just one deadly threat and a single aircraft can be called out to take that out - as opposed to an A-10/Longewala like mission flying low and slow for 30 minutes over the battle zone picking out targets of opportunity.

The Meghna airlift story in Bangladesh has an account of our landing zone being hit by accurate artillery fire being guided by artillery observers sitting perched on a 300 foot high brain silo. One Gnat (hardly a CAS aircraft) was called in to pump 30 mm cannon shell through the top window of the grain silo awarding the observers their 72 houris. That put an end to teh artillery threat.


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