Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Vips » 29 Feb 2020 21:53

Indian Army Upgrades Vintage Russian Schilka Air Defence System In Partnership With BEL.

The Indian Army on Friday, February 28, upgraded its Russian Schilka Air Defence system to a modern weapon platform. The 510 Amry Base Workshop (EME) in Meerut, Uttar Pradesh rolled out the advanced weapon. The 1980s vintage equipment has been upgraded by a joint venture between the Indian Army and the Bharat Electronics Limited (BEL).

About the upgraded system
As per the BEL website, the upgraded system is an advanced air defence system against attacking aircraft and helicopters. The upgradation process included replacing the existing Radar, analog computer, engine, GTE with state of the art system and addition of air conditioning system for crew comfort.

Further, as per reports, the newly upgraded system provides drastic improvements in operational performance, accuracies, power consumption and MTBF. It also enables accurate identification, acquisition and tracking of targets while operating in an ECM environment.

Along with this, the new system is capable of firing aerial targets and accept cueing from external surveillance radar. The upgraded system is also capable of engaging enemy aircraft during day or night as well as in all weather conditions.

Upgrade System Features
According to Bharat Electronics Limited, the features of the upgraded system include the following:

3D Active Phased Array Radar
Single Target Tracking
Multiple Target Tracking due to Electronic Steering in Elevation
ECCM Features
Low Output Power
Optronic System (CCD/TI/ LRF)
Operator Comfort with Air Conditioner
User-Friendly Operator Displays
New Engine with a drastic reduction in fuel consumption
Nuclear, Biological, Chemical (NBC) protection system

This modernisation program started in 2014 when the first upgraded Schilka was handed over. Today the last upgraded (48th) unit was delivered.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby tsarkar » 01 Mar 2020 23:38

shaun wrote:^^^^^
what will be the illumination radar

ADFCR

https://www.drdo.gov.in/air-defence-fire-control-radar
Air Defence Fire Control Radar (ADFCR) in conjunction with Anti-Aircraft Guns forms a Ground Based Air Defence system whose main purpose is effective point defence against air threats at short and very short ranges during day and night under all weather conditions. The system comprises of a X-Band Active Array Antenna based 3D-Search Radar, Ka-Band Tracking Radar, Electro-Optical Sensors for passive 2D-tracking & LRF for Radar independent ranging, Gun Control Unit, Power Generator, and a suitably equipped Commander's cabin mounted on a single High Mobility Vehicle. This system is capable of controlling more than two Guns simultaneously.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby tsarkar » 01 Mar 2020 23:40

Rakesh wrote:
Vips wrote:First truck mounted AK-630 is now ready for Army trials. Can be used to target Drones, Mortar and Artillery shells from a distance of 5 kms.

https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/12305 ... 57218?s=20 ---> OFB designed Air Defence Gun! Ugly, but good if it works as AK-630 is locally produced by OFB. Rate of Fire is 5,000 rounds per minute. Effective/Flat Trajectory range is 4,000 meters (13,000 ft). Ammunition storage is 2,000 rounds.

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Very good move that should have been done 2 decades back to replace the Bofors L40/60, L40/70 and ZSU-23-2.


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Postby Barath » 08 Mar 2020 08:07

https://eurasiantimes.com/indian-army-u ... tani-post/

India targeted pakistani army posts in cros border shelling in Kupawara sectr using artillery and ATGM. Video. Forget speculation on Spike ATGM.

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Postby sanjaykumar » 08 Mar 2020 09:50

^^fcku I thought they’d captured a Dalek.

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Postby jaysimha » 09 Mar 2020 17:08

Audio Codes Selected by HFCL for Major Indian Government Telecom Network

https://www.audiocodes.com/news/press-releases/news/audiocodes-selected-by-hfcl-for-major-indian-government-telecom-network

Leading Indian system integrator HFCL Ltd (formerly known as Himachal Futuristic Communications Ltd) selected AudioCodes to provide the voice access infrastructure for a next-generation telecom network for the Indian Army under the Network for Spectrum (NFS) project

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Aditya_V » 09 Mar 2020 17:17

tsarkar wrote:
Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/1230568579621257218?s=20 ---> OFB designed Air Defence Gun! Ugly, but good if it works as AK-630 is locally produced by OFB. Rate of Fire is 5,000 rounds per minute. Effective/Flat Trajectory range is 4,000 meters (13,000 ft). Ammunition storage is 2,000 rounds.

Very good move that should have been done 2 decades back to replace the Bofors L40/60, L40/70 and ZSU-23-2.

These could be very useful in protecting frontline Army Hq's, Ammo stores from Paki PGM and Bombs from attacks like 27 Feb-20

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Manish_P » 17 Mar 2020 14:26

Does BRF have a thread where issues like these are discussed/explained? Our veterans, even after their service, are one of the primary sources of inspiration and recruitment for the next gen. Their grievances, specifically with regards to changes in policy and how it affects them is not understood by lay persons.

Pressure on the decision makers (Politicians and babus), to reverse harmful decisions, needs to come not just from the veteran associations but also civilian groups.

Secondly, the behind the scenes players (specifically the malicious ones) need to be tracked and rebutted. In this age of social media with it's viral spread, misinformation warfare (and it's use by inimical forces - inside and outside the country) needs to be identified and refuted.

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Postby VinodTK » 18 Mar 2020 02:24

Indian Army now world’s largest ground force as China halves strength on modernisation push
New Delhi: With approximately 1.4 million personnel, the Indian Army has become the world’s largest ground force, pulling ahead of China, which cut down its strength by half and is instead focusing on its navy, air force and technology.

According to the Defence of Japan 2019 report, released late last year, China has the third largest ground force in the world following India and North Korea, with approximately 9,80,000 personnel.

The Peoples’ Liberation Army (PLA) was always regarded as the largest army in the world with an approximate strength of two million soldiers.

India, which has been keenly watching the PLA’s modernisation, is just in the initial stages of building a leaner and modern technology-enabled force as envisioned by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2015.

However, while China has been working on a massive modernisation of its force, India’s modernisation plans for its large personnel-driven force have been stalled by a cash crunch and a constantly increasing pension.

The Indian Army has so far carried out four transformation studies and is working on trimming its force by about 1.5 lakh personnel, which could take a minimum of five years.


Hard to believe Indian army is larger than PLA!!

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Postby Vips » 18 Mar 2020 06:08

In the year 1988 PLA was 4 million strong and it has been declining in numbers since then.

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Postby fanne » 18 Mar 2020 07:32

I think it will have significant impact on their fighting ability in the Himalayas. They need to be tech advanced (and hence low numbers) to face US off it east cost. US is not coming in millions but in a very lean and mean manner. They have no choice to go lean and mean.
In the Himalayas, can you have a supposedly small but very advanced force? They have very large logistic lines, very few places to fight and fly planes from. They will achieve breakthrough at few places, but what about rest of the front. Can they be so advanced to maintain and resupply that breakthrough?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby mody » 18 Mar 2020 17:46

Consider the countries with which China shares its land border. India, Mongolia Russia, Myanmar, Thailand, Laos, Cambodia, Vietnam, Russia, North Korea, Pakistan, Afghanistan (through the Wakhan Corridor), Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan.
Except India, none of the other countries pose any threat to the Chinese. In the past, The soviet union also posed a threat and China needed numbers. Now Russia does not pose the same kind of threat. Besides China also needed large numbers, to keep its own population under check. Now perhaps the communist party is confident of its unchallenged grip on power and its internal police forces, to keep the population in check.
In the current scenario, China's main threat is from the ocean on its south east and east coast and hence a powerful navy, airforce and a potent missile force are much more important for China. Also, for power projection beyond its own borders, the Navy, missile force, space and cyber warfare as also having overseas military bases is much more important for China, than sheer numbers of its ground forces. China is moving ahead on all of these fronts very very rapidly.

In contrast, for India, the main threats are from the two countries that it shares the longest land boundaries with, China and Pakistan, as also the internal security situation, mainly in J&K. The need to rationalize the manpower for the Indian military is paramount we need to move forward fast in reducing the total manpower by minimum of 100K to 150K. A lot of the non-essential staff like drivers, carpenters etc. should not be part of the military. The military should outsource these civilian duties. The full military pay, benefits to the personnel and the family and later the pension is a big drain on the defence budget.
A stronger Navy, Air-Space force, cyber warfare capabilities are urgently needed, however, the land based threat for India is very unique in the world today.

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Postby kit » 18 Mar 2020 19:15

VinodTK wrote:Indian Army now world’s largest ground force as China halves strength on modernisation push
New Delhi: With approximately 1.4 million personnel, the Indian Army has become the world’s largest ground force, pulling ahead of China, which cut down its strength by half and is instead focusing on its navy, air force and technology.

According to the Defence of Japan 2019 report, released late last year, China has the third largest ground force in the world following India and North Korea, with approximately 9,80,000 personnel.

The Peoples’ Liberation Army (PLA) was always regarded as the largest army in the world with an approximate strength of two million soldiers.

India, which has been keenly watching the PLA’s modernisation, is just in the initial stages of building a leaner and modern technology-enabled force as envisioned by Prime Minister Narendra Modi in 2015.

However, while China has been working on a massive modernisation of its force, India’s modernisation plans for its large personnel-driven force have been stalled by a cash crunch and a constantly increasing pension.

The Indian Army has so far carried out four transformation studies and is working on trimming its force by about 1.5 lakh personnel, which could take a minimum of five years.


Hard to believe Indian army is larger than PLA!!


looks like with the new tank order of more than 300 T90s IA is likely to have the biggest mechanised forces in Eurasia ! .. are we trying to clobber both China and pakis at the same time ?!

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Postby kit » 18 Mar 2020 19:16

One would think smaller , meaner, nimbler forces are better in the new age warfare., but then isnt the IA being re orgnized along these lines ?

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Postby Manish_P » 18 Mar 2020 21:05

Concur on the meaner and nimbler part. But with our internal challenges (some of which are likely to increase in the 1-2 decades ahead) we do need more boots-on-the-ground too. Unless there is an exponential increase in that other uniformed part of our security apparatus.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Barath » 19 Mar 2020 10:44

kit wrote:One would think smaller , meaner, nimbler forces are better in the new age warfare., but then isnt the IA being re orgnized along these lines ?


Two different things. one is that organizationally, the IA is going to IBG, whch as a fighting unit are smaller, meaner, nimbler, more integrated.
Second, as part of that re-organization and presumably things like IDS, and integrated logistics, the Indian army is likely to go down in size by 1.5 lakhs out of 1.4 million. Which as right-sizing goes, 10% is tinkering, compared to hina's restructuring.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Yagnasri » 19 Mar 2020 11:52

We are looking and two and half front war now. The half front is there almost everywhere within the nation. We are seeing how people are shouting for closure of 500 cities and towns. Numbers are needed in this situation. But we also need to look at more internal security forces than IA doing internal security work.

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Postby Manish_P » 19 Mar 2020 12:09

^ +1

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Postby Vips » 19 Mar 2020 18:56

Yagnasri wrote:We are looking and two and half front war now. The half front is there almost everywhere within the nation. We are seeing how people are shouting for closure of 500 cities and towns. Numbers are needed in this situation. But we also need to look at more internal security forces than IA doing internal security work.


Just a few examples of open hand facility given to the state police or paramilitary forces would quickly shut these buggers. Taking advantage of the opposition,left forces and anti modi journalists to organise marches and call for shutting down cities is one thing and the prospect of meeting your maker is another.
The blood thirsty jihadis had got the message in Gujarat. If needed the law and order maintaining forces will reinforce it on an all india basis.Good thing all state police/paramilitary forces will soon be carrying the INSAS and other automatic assault rifles and not the vintage .303 rifles.

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Postby Deans » 19 Mar 2020 19:31

fanne wrote:I think it will have significant impact on their fighting ability in the Himalayas. They need to be tech advanced (and hence low numbers) to face US off it east cost. US is not coming in millions but in a very lean and mean manner. They have no choice to go lean and mean.
In the Himalayas, can you have a supposedly small but very advanced force? They have very large logistic lines, very few places to fight and fly planes from. They will achieve breakthrough at few places, but what about rest of the front. Can they be so advanced to maintain and resupply that breakthrough?


My book `2022 India's 2 front war' deals with just this matter. Its been exactly a year since its published. Available in India on kindle (royalties go to the Army battle casualties fund).

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Postby fanne » 21 Mar 2020 09:04

Thanks, with the lockdown, one more book to read.

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Postby V_Raman » 21 Mar 2020 10:16

Rakesh wrote:
Vips wrote:First truck mounted AK-630 is now ready for Army trials. Can be used to target Drones, Mortar and Artillery shells from a distance of 5 kms.

https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/12305 ... 57218?s=20 ---> OFB designed Air Defence Gun! Ugly, but good if it works as AK-630 is locally produced by OFB. Rate of Fire is 5,000 rounds per minute. Effective/Flat Trajectory range is 4,000 meters (13,000 ft). Ammunition storage is 2,000 rounds.


2000 rounds ammo storage - does that mean it can fire only for 24 seconds or does it mean 2000 minutes?

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24 secobds onlee

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Postby rajkumar » 21 Mar 2020 14:30

manjgu wrote:24 secobds onlee


However they are never fired in continuous mode. At best 10/20 rounds at a time

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby srin » 21 Mar 2020 14:48

V_Raman wrote:
Rakesh wrote:https://twitter.com/I30mki/status/12305 ... 57218?s=20 ---> OFB designed Air Defence Gun! Ugly, but good if it works as AK-630 is locally produced by OFB. Rate of Fire is 5,000 rounds per minute. Effective/Flat Trajectory range is 4,000 meters (13,000 ft). Ammunition storage is 2,000 rounds.


2000 rounds ammo storage - does that mean it can fire only for 24 seconds or does it mean 2000 minutes?


That's not how they work. The engagement window is very small (function of the speed of the aircraft as well as the short effective range of the guns) - so the objective is to fire in short bursts - 1 second or so - and try to send as many rounds downrange as possible.

2000 rounds is quite adequate. That's similar to what a Tunguska or a Shilka has. But I wish there was some more light shed on the sensor package - the radars and the EOTS. And they probably should have a few manpads mounted on the truck as missile option too.

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Postby manjgu » 21 Mar 2020 22:45

A 10 Warthog has 1100 rounds.. Hawker Hunter had 150 rounds per gun ( 4 guns) ( firing at 1200 round pm) .

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Postby VinodTK » 23 Mar 2020 19:13

From DailyExcelsior: 2 BAT commandos, 2 militants among 7 killed on Poonch LoC
AMMU, Mar 21: When most of the world including Pakistan itself is badly hit by Coronavirus pandemic, its troops continued evil designs and tried to commit major terror attack in Jammu and Kashmir by pushing Border Action Team (BAT) commandos and militants on the Line of Control (LoC) in Degwar sector of Poonch district in the wee hours of this morning prompting immediate retaliation by the Indian Army in which two BAT members, an equal number of militants and three enemy troopers were killed.
Sources told the Excelsior that Pakistan army was regularly resorting to mortar shelling and firing on the LoC at Degwar, Kirni, Kasba and surrounding sectors of Poonch district and only a day before a mortar shell had landed in the heart of Poonch town but didn’t explode averting a major catastrophe.
In early hours of this morning, Pakistan army tried to facilitate infiltration by four militants including two BAT commandos into the Indian territory from Degwar sector of Poonch. The Indian troops, who were maintaining high alert on the LoC, observed movement of infiltrators.
Simultaneously, Pakistani troops opened firing from their forward posts to facilitate infiltration by the BAT commandos and militants to which the Indian side retaliated, leading to heavy exchanges.
Finding themselves trapped, the BAT commandos and militants tried to escape but were caught in heavy volume of firing by the Indian side in which all four were killed. Their bodies are reportedly lying on the LoC.
In exchange of firing and shelling between Indo-Pak troops, two bunkers of Pakistan army were hit in which at least three Pakistani troopers were killed and two to three others were injured. However, there were no casualties on the Indian side.
“A major terror plot backed by the Pakistani troops has been foiled with the killing of two BAT commandos and two militants, apart from three Pakistan troopers, who were facilitating the intrusion bid by resorting to firing and shelling on forward Indian posts to give cover to the infiltrators,” sources said.
The BAT commandos generally comprised hardcore militants of Lashkar-e-Toiba (LeT) and Jaish-e-Mohammed (JeM) outfits who had been trained by the Pakistan army. However, sometimes, the Pakistan army regulars also try to infiltrate for the BAT action, sources said, adding that slain BAT commandos as well as militants were well trained and were carrying with them sophisticated weapons and explosives for causing destruction on the Indian side.
Asserting that the Pakistan army plot was aimed at either targeting forward defence posts along the LoC or infiltrate and attack a strategic installation in Poonch, sources said it was successfully thwarted by the Indian troops with swift action in which the intruders were targeted and eliminated.
However, they said, two Pakistani bunkers from where the enemy troops were raining mortars and bullets to give cover to the infiltrators, were hit in retaliatory action by the Indian Army in which at least three Pakistani troopers were killed while two to three others were injured.
Bodies of two BAT commandos and as many militants were lying on the LoC and hadn’t been taken away by the Pakistan army so far to their side. However, the Pakistani troops were seen carrying dead and injured jawans to the hospital after the bunkers were hit in the Indian retaliatory action.
Slain BAT commandos and militants seemed to be aged between 22 to 25. While the commandos were wearing combat dresses, the militants were in Pathan suits, sources said, adding they were equipped with deadly assault rifles with which they resorted to random firing to cause casualties of the Indian Army personnel after being trapped in the firing but were killed within few minutes of the Indian action.
Since August 5 when the Central Government had abrogated special Constitutional provisions of Jammu and Kashmir and bifurcated the erstwhile State into two Union Territories of J&K and Ladakh, Pakistan army has been regularly violating ceasefire on the LoC in twin border districts of Rajouri and Poonch besides Kupwara and other sectors in Kashmir.
In the process, Pakistan army has also tried to facilitate several infiltration attempts by the BAT commandos and militants towards the Indian side but has failed miserably.
In retaliatory action by the Indian Army, Pakistan has suffered heavy casualties and infrastructural damage.
A day before, Pakistan army had targeted Poonch town and the mortar shell had exploded near the BJP office at Jarnaili Mohalla but didn’t explode and failed to cause any casualties. It was safely defused by the Bomb Disposal Squad yesterday.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby V_Raman » 24 Mar 2020 01:59

srin wrote:
V_Raman wrote:
2000 rounds ammo storage - does that mean it can fire only for 24 seconds or does it mean 2000 minutes?


That's not how they work. The engagement window is very small (function of the speed of the aircraft as well as the short effective range of the guns) - so the objective is to fire in short bursts - 1 second or so - and try to send as many rounds downrange as possible.

2000 rounds is quite adequate. That's similar to what a Tunguska or a Shilka has. But I wish there was some more light shed on the sensor package - the radars and the EOTS. And they probably should have a few manpads mounted on the truck as missile option too.


Thx for the explanation.

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