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Postby shiv » 30 Jan 2017 12:27

pattnayak wrote:I don't know if this video was posted earlier, but I couldn't wait to share this on BRF after I saw it. A great video on a great son of India. Million times better than all the movies we are getting nowadays on "benevolent gangsters".

100% endorse this sentiment. Thanks for posting this inspiring bio documentary

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Postby Raja Bose » 30 Jan 2017 12:37

nukavarapu wrote:A really amazing video. Makes me wonder why they did not use sniper rifles to take out the pigs!

I am not sure about the terrain but looking at the videos I do feel that atleast couple of the pigs can be taken by 2 different snipers. Please do correct me if I am wrong!


The terrain in the video is just a depiction. Moreover, it was a fast moving situation in an area with boulders and nullahs. Snipers don't work well in such environments.

For those wondering about the song at the end of the video, its the Assam Regiment's regimental song. Its a song about a WWII soldier named Badlu Ram who died but the QM forgot to strike his name off the listing of living soldiers and continued to draw rations for him. Sometime later the Japanese laid a siege (must be the one which culminated in the Battle of Imphal) cutting off all supplies and the extra rations drawn in Badlu Ram's name then came in handy and ensured that the troops didn't starve and managed to fend off the siege.


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Postby Rakesh » 30 Jan 2017 23:19

Private Manufacture – Shift in Indian Army Policy
http://i-hls.com/2017/01/private-manufa ... my-policy/

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Postby nukavarapu » 31 Jan 2017 06:33

Raja Bose wrote: The terrain in the video is just a depiction. Moreover, it was a fast moving situation in an area with boulders and nullahs. Snipers don't work well in such environments.


Thanks Bose Garu

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby nits » 31 Jan 2017 11:41

India’s war readiness for only 10 days

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has quietly scaled down India’s war readiness from 40 days to 10 days of the intense conflict in a new policy cleared on December 30 on the basis of the assumption that the future conflicts would be short, swift and sudden. The new policy envisages all three armed forces to fully stock up weapons, ammunition and missiles and ensure all radars functional that should last a minimum of 10 days of intense conflict.

In military parlance, this is called Minimum Accepted Risk Level (MARL). The Vice-Chiefs of the three services have been given adequate fiscal powers to maintain this level of preparedness to overcome the handicap of the slow procurements as the government does not want any chance for the military failing for want of any supplies. The Indian Army’s Vice-Chief has been given the authority under this policy to spend up to Rs 200 cr for ammunition procurement, in consultation with the internal financial auditor. The Naval Vice-Chief is authorised expenses up to Rs 80 crore to repair ships and submarines

. The Defence Ministry sources said the new policy was drawn up in consultation with the Armed Forces following a CAG (Comptroller and Auditor General) report in 2015, expressing shock over the low level of the war readiness. The CAG had slammed the dismal management of ammunition in the Army, noting that there was total “disregard” of the policy to hold ammunition for 40 days of “intense” fighting under the war wastage reserves (WWR). It warned that India cannot sustain war beyond 15-20 days due to the crippling shortages in its ammunition stocks. Stocking of 125 of the 170 different types of ammunition was not enough for even 20 days of war-fighting or “minimum acceptable risk level” requirements. “Further, in 50% of the types of ammunition, the holding was critical or less than 10 days in March 2013,” said CAG. As the situation stands today, the required 40-day WWR may not be possible even by the target of achieving it in 2019. The officials justified scaling down of the stocks to stand 10 days of intense war. They said the WWR of 40 days of intense war is very expensive to maintain, particularly since the ammunition being an expendable commodity with a fixed shelf life. Instead of maintaining stocks at a full-fledged war requirement level, it was felt that better should be to maintain “optimal” stocks as per the security contingencies and create capacity to ramp up production whenever needed. It was explained that the new policy does not mean reducing the higher stock levels of most of the ammunitions. Officials said the target of 40 days of WWR has not been shelved. It shall be on track as usual but within that the 10-day benchmarking will be the new norm. The 2015 CAG report said India lacked readiness for any war because the Ordnance Factory Board was failing to meet the requirements due to its limited production capacity while the import route was also proving to be “unreasonably” slow. “In 17 import cases (total imports worth Rs 16,594 crore) for which acceptance of necessity was accorded in July 2013, no contract could be concluded by December 2014,” it said.


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Cosmo_R » 31 Jan 2017 23:16

Hope this is the right thread. Excellent insights into what is happening with the defense budget

In India’s ‘Make Or Break’ Budget, Defense May Take a Back Seat

"Since 2009, India’s total defense spending has only increased by about $3 billion, in constant 2014 dollars, while China increased its defense spending by about $77 billion over the same period, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. "
https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/arti ... -back-seat

Skirting the Rules Leaves India’s Defense Industry Short-Changed

"Still, with some foreign companies opting to pay a fine, the current policy is a “sorry state of affairs,” according to Kuber.

"The global companies have been finding ways of not doing offset, and the Ministry of Defence has not been engaging with them in a more proactive manner,” he said. “Indian industry has also been slow to gear up to the global standards in quality and processes and certifications."

""Of the approximately $5 billion offset obligations, only about $2 billion have been accounted for by the global companies," said K. V. Kuber, an independent analyst and former army colonel who served in the section of the ministry that monitored the offset policy. "Of these, only about $250 million worth of offsets has been approved by the Ministry of Defence as implemented."

“Even the direct buys are in the form of nuts and bolts,” he said. “Hence, no industrial capability as such is being developed."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... rt-changed

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Raja Bose » 02 Feb 2017 00:17



I like it how ADGPI IA has been proactively uploading such short films on YouTube to raise awareness among the youth. Interestingly this film got some help from Hakla Khan's Red Chillies Entertainment. :shock:

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Prem » 03 Feb 2017 07:36

Title is misleading as its nothing to do with paki

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 04 Feb 2017 16:10

MoS (Home) Kiren Rijiju on Friday said, "Tej Bahadur's VRS canceled as per rules"


BSF soldier Yadav's VRS canceled as per rules: Kiren Rijiju

Friday, 3 February 2017

BSF soldier Yadav's VRS canceled as per rules: Kiren Rijiju
New Delhi: Union Minister Kiren Rijiju on Friday clarified that the Border Security Force’s (BSF) decision to cancel the voluntary retirement of constable Tej Bahadur Yadav who had posted a video raising concerns about the ‘poor quality’ food, “was done as per the rules and regulations”.


“The Centre has the priority to take care of the needs of the armed forces. We have already asked the authorities to redress the grievances of army personnel. There is a way to put forth one’s problem. And if anyone by-passes that, there is a proper mechanism to counter,” Rijiju told ANI.


“His VRS was canceled as per the rules and regulations since the whole allegations are currently being probed,” he added. The minister’s comment comes in the wake of an allegation leveled by Yadav’s wife that the trooper is being ‘threatened and tortured mentally’.


The BSF soldier’s application for voluntary retirement was accepted last year after he posted a video in January which went viral on social media. Following this, the BSF and the Home Ministry ordered an enquiry.

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Postby Rakesh » 04 Feb 2017 21:03

Modernisation of Indian Army: Future Challenges
http://www.news18.com/news/india/modernisation-of-indian-army-future-challenges-1342491.html

By Lt Gen Philip Campose (Retd.)

The link for this article was not working...it has been fixed now. If someone posted this earlier, my apologies.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby rohitvats » 05 Feb 2017 00:25

The news item above about India's war readiness being reduced to only 10 days is presented in a mischievous manner.

I read the same news somewhere else and the plan seems to be to first ensure we have enough across the board for 10-days of intense combat. Also, the 40 day reserve is being looked at rationally from the way ammunition is consumed in current scenario as well the cost aspect. It is quite likely that holding of some ammunition in this 10-days scenario may well be multiple times of earlier estimates when we assume higher tempo of war fighting.

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Postby Karan M » 05 Feb 2017 02:40

Rohit, an IA General even went on record stating that IA/India only had storage space for 14 days intense WWR + some regular tempo thereafter.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2017 06:49

Indian Army is paying rent for land in Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, says CBI
https://scroll.in/latest/828683/indian- ... bi-reports

Indian Army being cheated into 'paying rent' for properties in PoK
http://www.dnaindia.com/india/report-in ... ok-2314046

Army made to pay rent to PoK land: CBI; FIR lodged
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/art ... 004381.cms

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Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2017 06:50

Pakistan violates ceasefire in Samba, Indian Army retaliates
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... duEoK.html

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rakesh » 07 Feb 2017 06:50

Mohanlal gives tribute to Indian Army in short film Amar Jawan, Amar Bharath
http://www.inuth.com/entertainment/regi ... r-bharath/

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Prem » 08 Feb 2017 06:30

The food complainer BSF Jawan is now on Hunger strike.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby tsarkar » 08 Feb 2017 09:45

Prem,

Please take BSF Rations discussion to CAPF thread. It has no place in Indian Army thread.

The CAPF IPS / cadre officer ethos is completely different than IA Chetwode Motto. I'm not sure why a comparison is even made in the first place.

Moderators kindly take note.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby nirav » 08 Feb 2017 18:02

Is it misreporting or is it actually IA engaging bakis on the border @ ceasefire "violations"..
Isn't it BSF which normally deals with shooting bakis on the LoC ?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby AdityaM » 12 Feb 2017 01:47

Image

The soldier wears face paint to blend with the surroundings. While most foreign army pics will have green face paint to go with green camouflage uniforms, Indian soldiers usually have black paint. Why is this better?

What is the point of wearing face paint to blend in, when inches away from the face, he wears the distinctive shoulder patch that screams for attention

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Cain Marko » 12 Feb 2017 02:33

^ he probably takes it off when in actual combat? Right now he's is simply posing for camera is my guess

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby pravula » 12 Feb 2017 06:06

AdityaM wrote:Image

The soldier wears face paint to blend with the surroundings. While most foreign army pics will have green face paint to go with green camouflage uniforms, Indian soldiers usually have black paint. Why is this better?

What is the point of wearing face paint to blend in, when inches away from the face, he wears the distinctive shoulder patch that screams for attention


Green or Black doesn't matter as much as breaking a single colored surface. Those patches are too small to matter (IMHO) at the ranges when this gun is called into service.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby shiv » 12 Feb 2017 07:40

AdityaM wrote:What is the point of wearing face paint to blend in, when inches away from the face, he wears the distinctive shoulder patch that screams for attention

It's a posed photo-op which looks as artificial as any. Neatly ironed shirt, crease intact and sleeve folded back as per regulation. Leaves ripped off a Gul Mohar like tree and placed in front of the man..

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Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2017 02:47

74 missing defence personnel believed to be in Pak custody
http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-new ... giVIP.html

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Postby Rakesh » 13 Feb 2017 02:48

Question The Army, But Try to Know Us First, Says Lt Gen (Retd) DS Hooda
http://www.news18.com/news/india/questi ... 45276.html

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rupesh » 15 Feb 2017 09:42

Sikh regiment of the Indian Army: From village boys to tough soldiers


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Philip » 15 Feb 2017 12:51

More priceless lives of our soldiers lost in J&K after another terror attack. I don't want to b*tch too much,but where is Mr.Modi and his vainglorious boasts that after demonitisation he "defeated terrorism" and that fake currency from Pak had ended? There was a recent seizure of such fake notes from across the border. He has to pu his money where his mouth is,otherwise he will be nothing more than yet another Congi type leader who vows to give Pak "a fitting reply".

The IA have to hit back hard across the border in arty barrages,more spl. forces actions and even joint IAF/IA ops. Pak only understands when its soldiers get clobbered by India.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby uddu » 15 Feb 2017 13:50

^^^He must have kept quiet like any kANGREESI and you must not have made this comment. ) For two months there was not a single Paki fake currency and money to stone throwers itself is progress. Now if you really want fake currency completely out, ban the currency, will you support it or come up with demonitization is bad bad blah blah..? ) Man..continue with your pro-Russian things and stop adding more masala to it.

And yes Pakistan has to be ended and even when within our nation, pro-Pakis ask for proofs of the raids, how can you be so sure that these disruptive forces will not do damage to the population in support of Pak? Also now whom will you blame for the present situation? Again the govt or the Anti-India ones within the nation?

And with what you will hit? Stones? Artillery barrage..where are the guns? Only now it's getting inducted. Will take time to build up. Have patience. When time comes, things will happen.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rakesh » 27 Feb 2017 09:03

$750 mn deal: Indian Army to get 2 BAE Systems’ M777 ULH howitzer guns in June
http://www.financialexpress.com/india-n ... ne/565814/

BAE Systems will be delivering two out of 145 M777 155mm/39-calibre ultra lightweight howitzer (ULH) guns in June, for the army to carry out a few tests with Indian ammunition.

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Postby Prem » 28 Feb 2017 07:00

General Cheema takes over as deputy chief
http://www.hindustantimes.com/punjab/si ... p1IHN.html

General Jagbir Singh Cheema recently took over as the Deputy Chief of Army Staff (Information Systems and Training). In this capacity he coordinates capability building of the army in terms of training, communications and information systems. Earlier he had commanded XI Corps the pivot formation in Punjab where he had a long string of achievements including recasting operational plans and providing enhanced facilities to veterans. The general belongs to Jangpur, Ludhiana district.Jagbir has commanded his battalion, 10 Sikh on the Line of Control (LoC), an infantry brigade again on the control line in a high altitude environment and a mountain division forming part of the army headquarters (AHQ) reserve with wideranging operational roles. Professional courses done by him include staff college, long defence management and National Defence College (NDC).He has served on the general staff dealing with operations, planning, intelligence and training at all levels from brigade to AHQ. As chief of staff of an operationally committed corps, he set down ‘Turbulence to Stabilisation’ the history of proxy war in Kashmir. Operational experience includes command of a company on the Siachen Glacier and an Assam Rifles company in Kashmir. Cheema is a soldier whom the greatest Indian commanders like Field Marshal Sam Manekshaw and Harbaksh would’ve paid the supreme accolade, ‘I would like to have him with me in war’.Army chief General Bipin Rawat’s recent caution to stone-pelters and others who seek to obstruct counterinsurgency operations must be seen in this context. Though politicians have taken umbrage at his statement, in my view he has correctly warned overground workers of insurgents.A new, proactive strategy to tackle troublemakers which draws on the experience of British troops in Northern Ireland takes this beyond the ambit of a mere morale-lifting exercise however.To ensure the best coordination between the security forces, joint mobile control rooms will be set up at the scene of active operations. While the army, paramilitary forces and the police’s special operation group will tackle terrorists, the police will make sure crowds don’t gather.If mobs do concentrate the police will disperse them with warnings, persuasion, guile and failing that with weapons best suited against unarmed people – teargas, batons. Civil administrators will become hands-on to prevent the assembly of terrorists’ collaborators by imposing prohibitory orders and other administrative measures. Such collaborators will be identified by the police who will take legal action against them.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jayasimha » 03 Mar 2017 11:03

Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
02-March-2017 18:13 IST
DRDO Hands Over its Developed Products to Indian Army

Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) handed over three of its products for induction into the Indian Army in a formal function here today.
The products are namely
(i) Weapon Locating Radar (WLR), SWATHI,
(ii) NBC Recce vehicle and
(iii) NBC Drugs.

The Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar who presided the function handed over the products to the Chief of the Army Staff General Bipin Rawat on behalf of DRDO.

Addressing the function the Defence Minister congratulated DRDO for the series of recent trials including the interceptor missiles. He complimented DRDO scientists for handing over equipment to the Indian Army. Shri Parrikar said that DRDO, Defence Forces, PSU’s and Private Sector industry’s partnership can be a game changer in the near future.

The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat after receiving the products complimented the DRDO for achieving another milestone in their continuing success stories. He was optimistic that at this speed, modernisation of Indian Army would move at a much faster pace.

Speaking at the function the DRDO Chairman and Secretary Department of Defence (R&D) Dr. S Christopher said “after Navy and Air Force, time has now come to handover our products to the Army and it is a proud moment for all scientists in DRDO”. He stressed that the co-development approach of involving DRDO, user and the industry would speed up projects.

DRDO has been developing a number of products for the Indian Army in support of their field operations and welfare of soldiers on ground. Many of these products have been inducted and are presently operational in field units. In 2016, the Weapon Locating Radar, NBC Recce Vehicle and a set of NBC Drugs had been successfully tested after extensive evaluation by competent evaluation teams/bodies.

Weapon Locating Radar (WLR), SWATHI, developed by DRDO’s Electronics & Radar Development Establishment (LRDE), provides fast, automatic and accurate location of all enemy weapons like mortars, shells and rockets firing within in its effective zone of coverage and simultaneously handles multiples projectiles fired from different weapons at different locations. The system is capable of adjusting the fire of our own artillery weapon also. The weapon includes 81mm or higher calibre mortars, 105mm or higher calibre shells and 120mm or higher calibre free flying rockets. Thus WLR has two roles to perform i.e. Weapon Location Mode for enemy Artillery and Direction of Own artillery Fire (DOOAF) Mode for our own Artillery.

The NBC Recce Vehicle Mk-I, is developed by Vehicles Research & Development Establishment (VRDE) for carrying out post event recce of Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Contaminated areas. It is capable of collecting solid and liquid samples of biologically contaminated areas, mark the nuclear and chemical contamination zone and transfer the recce data speedily to support formations. On successful development of NBC RV Mk-I in association with DL, Jodhpur, the equipment was approved for induction into the Services.

DRDO’s INMAS is actively engaged in research in the field of radio protectors, de-corporating agents and antidotes for Chemical, Biological, Radiological and Nuclear (CBRN) emergencies, combat casualty care and other life saving drugs. INMAS has carried out extensive research and laboratory trials in the past two decades to develop formulations for use as antidotes and de-corporating agents for CBRN emergencies. Out of the several formulas developed by INMAS, 15 drugs have been identified for induction.

NW/NAo/Nampi/Ranjan

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby sum » 03 Mar 2017 11:56

^^ The WLR wasnt inducted till now?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jayasimha » 03 Mar 2017 13:21

some history of WLR

http://pib.nic.in/archieve/lreleng/lyr2 ... 00336.html

Ministry of Defence
WEAPON LOCATING RADAR
RAJYA SABHA

Twelve Weapon Locating Radars (WLR) were contracted with the US Government in 2002. Delivery of these WLRs will commence from September,2004. In addition,two WLRs were also contracted on lease basis and these two WLRs have already arrived in the country. Steps have also been taken to produce WLRs indigenously. A Letter of Intent for procurement of 28 WLRs and development of one prototype WLR by April, 2004 was placed on MIs. Bharat Electronics Ltd in January 2003.

This information was given by the Defence Minister Shri George Fernandes in a written reply to Shri Surendra Lath in Rajya Sabha today.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jayasimha » 03 Mar 2017 13:22

some more history of DRDO indicating WLR

http://pib.nic.in/newsite/PrintRelease. ... lid=137431

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jayasimha » 03 Mar 2017 13:23

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Weapon Locating Radar (Swathi) passes through the Rajpath, on the occasion of the 68th Republic Day Parade 2017, in New Delhi on January 26, 2017.
CNR :93025 Photo ID :98398

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby rohitvats » 03 Mar 2017 17:38

^^^4 were inducted. 36 in all are on order. Tremendous capability boost to our SATA capabilities.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 03 Mar 2017 17:46

They were ordered in March 2016. Indian ones. 30 in all, and 4 inducted already.
And 12 US made WLRs - if any are serviceable, that is.
Overall 42 WLRs.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 04 Mar 2017 12:57

The cost of a sting op by a media outlet. Oh what the hell, it's just another soldier's life...


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby manjgu » 04 Mar 2017 16:36

this is v unfortunate..a good guy is down. sad...

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Yagnasri » 04 Mar 2017 16:46

The presstitutes involved said to have edited the good part and cherry picked bad words and made a story as per some reports. But now the entire story is a negative one on IA. Almost all the MSM entities are doing that same song and dance.


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