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Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ranjan.rao » 29 Mar 2017 09:32

These stone Pelters should be neutered

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jamwal » 29 Mar 2017 10:36

Morale of the troops will also go up.

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Postby shiv » 29 Mar 2017 10:51

Khalsa wrote:They mention oh one of them was a sole bread winner for the family

my question is why the hell was he protesting instead of winning some bread.
Bhen chod go win some bread instead of trying to back stab the troops

Ans (select one)
1. Gormint will give compensation
2. Allah will provide
3. All of above
4. None of the above

Shooting stone pelters disrupting a fight with terrorists means stone pelters will_be_shot

3 dead indicates exactly what the others did when the shooting started..

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Postby arshyam » 29 Mar 2017 10:53

Good to see the Army walking its (chief's) talk. About time this nonsense it stopped. The Army did give a fair warning, which was widely disseminated (read criticized) in the media. But no one can claim to be ignorant of the warning. Now, a deterrence value has been established. Let's see how many stone pelters show up the next time.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Manish_P » 29 Mar 2017 13:37

ramana wrote:tsarkar and Akshay Kapoor, We need a different word than encounter which has become repugnant.

Please come up with an acceptable word.

One synonym is confrontation.


Excuse me sir, but why not just call it in the old fashioned way - 'Counter-Terrorist Operation' or 'Anti-Terrorist Operation'

It is straight forward plain-speak and IMVHO it is important to have the word 'Terrorist' in it to have no ambiguity or room for any moral questionability/repugnance.

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Postby DrRatnadip » 29 Mar 2017 14:01

Khalsa wrote:This above news by Jamwal is brilliant.
For two reasons
First they managed to withstand the pressure of traitors trying to backstab while eleminating the terrorist.
Second they have a SOP now of how to prevent being ousted from the area by these a$$holes.

Now 3 civies lost their lives ... the news piece is brilliant.
They mention oh one of them was a sole bread winner for the family

my question is why the hell was he protesting instead of winning some bread.
Bhen chod go win some bread instead of trying to back stab the troops

Good one sir.. bread maango bread denge .. kashmir maango ch*d denge.. :twisted:

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Pratyush » 29 Mar 2017 15:46

Well it is good to note that the armed forces do exactly what they set out to do. The good thing about this is that the chief had given a fair warning.

I look forward to the sikular gang with the vidhwa vilap.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 29 Mar 2017 23:08

Manish_P wrote:
ramana wrote:tsarkar and Akshay Kapoor, We need a different word than encounter which has become repugnant.

Please come up with an acceptable word.

One synonym is confrontation.


Excuse me sir, but why not just call it in the old fashioned way - 'Counter-Terrorist Operation' or 'Anti-Terrorist Operation'

It is straight forward plain-speak and IMVHO it is important to have the word 'Terrorist' in it to have no ambiguity or room for any moral questionability/repugnance.


Let us promote usage of Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO)

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Khalsa » 30 Mar 2017 00:15

shiv wrote:
Khalsa wrote:They mention oh one of them was a sole bread winner for the family

my question is why the hell was he protesting instead of winning some bread.
Bhen chod go win some bread instead of trying to back stab the troops

Ans (select one)
1. Gormint will give compensation
2. Allah will provide
3. All of above
4. None of the above

Shooting stone pelters disrupting a fight with terrorists means stone pelters will_be_shot

3 dead indicates exactly what the others did when the shooting started..


Yep. Agreed Shiv
Firm action, firm hand.

I do not want a jawan of CRPF, BSF or Army to be ever compromised or attacked by these stone pelters.
Well Bloody done to all who have sent a stern signal.

Your move a$$holes

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Khalsa » 30 Mar 2017 00:21

ranjan.rao wrote:Khalsa, what if he was winning the bread, I mean what if stone pelting was his job

then he is an incompetent one and should be reclassified as bread_Loser

Look I am sad for the family but perhaps the next gen of women (who will bear kids) need to teach their kids about schools, education, getting a job, getting married, buying a house.

Koran ain't the answer, Stones ain't the answer.
Go do some plain old work.

Lazy , Low IQed Short Sighted Pakistani pu$$y sniffing c u n # s ... thats what these a44holes are.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jayasimha » 30 Mar 2017 10:41

ARMY DESIGN BUREAU
FUTURE CORE TECHNOLOGIES AND PROBLEM STATEMENTS

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CAN YOU GIVE US WHAT WE NEED ASKS ARMY CHIEF
https://www.indianarmy.nic.in/Site/Pres ... JOWzzK2Q==

General Bipin Rawat chaired a combined session of ‘the user and the provider’ attended by renowned industrialists, academicians as well as the decision making hierarchy of the Army and released the ‘Compendium of Problem Statements Vol II’, which has been prepared by Army Design Bureau (ADB) after detailed interaction with all stake holders including soldiers deployed in field.

The first volume, with 50 problem statements released on 5th December 2016, was received with tremendous amount of enthusiasm, 28 new problem statements have now been added which will enable industry and academia to understand the ‘Felt Needs’ and come up with indigenous solutions incorporating the latest technology trends for India’s military power.

Giving feedback on the first vol, industrialists and academicians expressed keenness to step up R&D for solutions to Army’s problems and deeply appreciated Army’s efforts calling the raising of ADB as a path breaking step. Mr RS Bhatia pointed that India is probably the only great nation where Industrial might of the country is not yet reflected in its Defence Forces.

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Postby chetak » 30 Mar 2017 18:09

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Yayavar » 31 Mar 2017 01:00

ramana wrote:
Manish_P wrote:
Excuse me sir, but why not just call it in the old fashioned way - 'Counter-Terrorist Operation' or 'Anti-Terrorist Operation'

It is straight forward plain-speak and IMVHO it is important to have the word 'Terrorist' in it to have no ambiguity or room for any moral questionability/repugnance.


Let us promote usage of Anti-Terrorist Operation (ATO)


+1

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ranjan.rao » 31 Mar 2017 21:14

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/defence/army-starts-process-to-purchase-1500-anti-materiel-rifles/articleshow/57944559.cms

capable of damaging targets like battle tanks, low-flying helicopters and bunkers.

have a range of at least 1.8 kilometres with a calibre of 12.7 mm/0.50

lightweight rifles whose weight will not be more than 15 kg each.

ammunition which should be available for the riffles include armour piercing incendiary and tracer, saboted light armour penetrator, armour piercing explosive incendiary and high explosive armour piercing incendiary.

As per the RFI, in case of foreign vendors, the army asked them to explain whether they will be ready to offer transfer of technology (ToT) to the Indian industry for licenced manufacturing of the weapons. They have also been asked to whether ToT will be offered for sub-systems.


Seems no vidhwansak again
Few vidwansak stats from wiki(12.7 mm variant)
1. Weight 25 kg
2. Effective firing range 1,800 m
3. Maximum firing range 2,300 m

Just curious what are the issues in having Vidhwansak as a core gun with small orders for light weight guns.
1. Portability: Can't it be ported it in parts and then assembled? Do not see it as the main weapon that the troops would be carrying on back. Most likely it will be mounted at a position waiting for enemies, most likely in a bunker. Having an indiegenous and heavy gun is any day better than having no gun.
2. Serviceability/Maintenance: BSF has 400 order, that should help, plus its desi so should be easier to improve

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Singha » 31 Mar 2017 22:03

all sorts of original and cloned anti material 50cal rifles are being used in syria. it has gone mainstream even for sniping at people. the kurds brought in a whole platoons of such snipers to clear the last bit of ISIS in manbij after a fruitless 2 months

5000 desi guns are better than 500 imports

the denel NTW20 was 31kg but most of the latest are <= 15kg. has this miraculous change come about with a change in design or just composite materials?

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Pratyush » 01 Apr 2017 09:36

Ntw is a multi caliber weapon with 20 mm 14.5 mm and 12.7 mm nato round capabilities. The AMR being sought by the IA seem to be of 12.7 mm nato caliber. So the weight will be lower than the NTW.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby arun » 01 Apr 2017 15:43



The Indian Army Request For Information (RFI) for Light Weight Anti Material Rifle (LT WT AMR) is linked below.

Disappointing that the Ordnance Factory Board (OFB) designed Vidhwansak AMR (Clicky) was not able to meet the expectations of the Indian Army as a replacement for the Denel NTW-20 AMR acquired in the early 2000’s :( .

Specs for the AMR’s now sought are:

2. The mandatory requirements in respect of which complete compliance must be provided in unambiguous terms are as under:-
(a) Calibre. 12.7 mm /0.50 in Calibre.
(b) Weight. Not more than 15 Kg (excluding sights).
(c) Range. Effective range not less than 1800 metres.
(d) Magazine Capacity. Not less than five (05) rounds.
(e) Accuracy. Better than or equal to 1 MOA.
(f) Sight. The weapon must be provided with a sighting system for all kinds of ammunition as given below for maximum effective range.
(g) Ammunition. The following variety of ammunition must be available for the weapon:-
(i) Armour Piercing Incendiary and Tracer (API I API-T).
(ii) Saboted Light Armour Penetrator I Tracer (SLAP).
(iii) Armour Piercing Explosive Incendiary (APEI).
(iv) High Explosive Armour Piercing Incendiary (HEAP I).


See here:

RFI for Light Weight Anti Material Rifle (LT WT AMR)

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby sudeepj » 01 Apr 2017 20:53

Tender seems to be tailored to Barret 50 cal.

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Postby arshyam » 01 Apr 2017 22:56

Militants attack army convoy in Jammu and Kashmir ahead of PM Modi's visit - TNIE


SRINAGAR: A day before Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s visit to Jammu and Kashmir to inaugurate country’s longest road tunnel on Srinagar-Jammu national highway, militants on Saturday attacked an army convoy near a hospital in Srinagar injuring three soldiers.

Militant outfit Hizbul Mujahideen has claimed responsibility for the attack.

Militants fired from AK-47 rifles towards an army vehicle, which was part of an army convoy, near SKIMS hospital Bemina, about 5 kms from city centre Lal Chowk, at around 1.20 pm.

An army official said the militants fired on the last vehicle of the convoy, which was on its way from North Kashmir to Srinagar.

“They targeted the last army vehicle of the convoy. They fired indiscriminately on the vehicle from one direction. Many bullets hit the windscreen of the vehicle. At least a dozen bullets hit the windscreen.”

The official said the soldiers retaliated with caution. “The army men exercised maximum restraint to avoid any civilian casualties because of presence of large number of civilians in the area.”

He said three army men sustained injuries in the militant attack.

The injured army men were evacuated to military hospital in Srinagar for specialized treatment and their condition is stable, the official said.

Immediately after the attack, police, paramilitary CRPF and army men launched a combing and search operation to track down the militants responsible for the attack. However, no arrests were reported.

Top police and security officials visited the spot to take stock of the situation.

A police official said police has launched investigation to ascertain the identity of the militants involved in the attack.

“We have launched a manhunt to track the militants involved in the attack,” he said.

The militant group Hizbul Mujahideen claimed responsibility for attack.

The operational spokesman of Hizbul, Burhan-ud-din, said militants of the outfit carried out the attack on army convoy.

He claimed that six army men were killed and many others injured in the attack.

“The attack was carried out against Indian Prime Minister, Narendra Modi’s visit to the State,” he said.

The attack on army convoy has taken at a time when the security apparatus in the Valley has been heightened for parliamentary bypolls and for Prime Minister’s Narendra Modi’s visit to the State.

PM Modi will visit Jammu, the winter capital of the State, tomorrow to inaugurate the country’s longest and Asia's longest bi-directional road tunnel at Chenani in Udhampur district on Srinagar-Jammu National highway.

He will also address a public rally after inaugurating the 10.89 km long road tunnel built at a cost of Rs 2,519 crores, which will reduce distance between Srinagar and Jammu by 31 kilometers.

The bypolls for Srinagar-Budgam parliamentary seat in Central Kashmir and Anantnag-Pulwama seat in South Kashmir will be held on April 9 and 12 respectively.

In view of the polls, the security personnel are on alert to foil any militant attack on security installations or on contesting candidates.

A police official said after today’s militant attack, security arrangements will be further tightened for PM’s visit to Jammu tomorrow and for bypolls in the Valley.

“Foolproof security arrangements have been put in place for PM’s visit to Jammu tomorrow,” he said.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Pratyush » 02 Apr 2017 02:49

sudeepj wrote:Tender seems to be tailored to Barret 50 cal.


Accuracy international has a bolt action in this catagory with identical specifications.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Austin » 02 Apr 2017 21:37

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Disgusting. Btwn 2014-'16, MoD filed 794, yes Seven hundred and ninety four appeals against our disabled soldiers


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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 06 Apr 2017 03:59

sudeepj wrote:Tender seems to be tailored to Barret 50 cal.

Sahi pakde aap.

Can we look at Barrett ammo to see if its the preferred rifle?

Looking at wiki, Barrett is already with Mumbai Police. Further its a semi automatic rifle.

I think the specs match a Russian made sniper rifle called KVSK 12.7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSVK_12.7
Bolt action, five round magazine etc.
I don't know about all those rounds and how do they hope to use a sniper against low flying helicopters!!!
It would be lucky shot.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 06 Apr 2017 06:40

Akshay Kapoor garu, Tell us about IA Infantry modernization plan.
In the end IA is an infantry force all others are nice but its the PBI that fights and wins wars.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby rkhanna » 06 Apr 2017 11:04

The Barrett m98 is also with the nsg

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Postby Manish_P » 06 Apr 2017 11:12

ramana wrote:
sudeepj wrote:Tender seems to be tailored to Barret 50 cal.

Sahi pakde aap.

Can we look at Barrett ammo to see if its the preferred rifle?

Looking at wiki, Barrett is already with Mumbai Police. Further its a semi automatic rifle.

I think the specs match a Russian made sniper rifle called KVSK 12.7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KSVK_12.7
Bolt action, five round magazine etc.
I don't know about all those rounds and how do they hope to use a sniper against low flying helicopters!!!
It would be lucky shot.


Depends on which length and weight too

Barret is also available in AMR versions other than the original M82 (all use the same caliber version ammo. 50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm))

the semi-automatic bullpup version Barett XM500 - Weight: 11.8 kg, Length: 1168 mm
the bolt action Barett M95 - Weight: 9.98 kg empty, without scope, Length: 1143 mm
the bolt action Barrett Model M99 - Weight: 11.36 kg, Length: 1280 mm
and
the single shot bolt action bullpup version Barrett Model M99-1 - Weight: 9.53 kg, Length - 1179 mm
(This last one obiviously doesn't meet the tender requirements of 5 shots magazine)

The AMR Vidhwansak has approx weight 25Kgs, with the original Denel NTW-20 having a weight of 30kgs plus
So they will not qualify for the light weight part asked in the tender

There is also the Barrett M98B which is classified as an anti-personnel/sniper rifle since it uses the .338 Lapua Magnum (8.6×70mm or 8.58×70mm)

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 06 Apr 2017 23:11

Manish_P, Look at the tender and see how its requirements are matched by the KVSK 12.7.

I don't know about all those rounds they want? Can the Barrett or any such weapon fire them?
And do they want to have the rifle and the rounds made in India?

The OFB version at 25kg is not useful at this juncture.
Have the y looked at how to lighten it?

What is infuriating is the services use the OFB and DRDO at same level as foreign vendors when they should use them as in-house resources.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 06 Apr 2017 23:13

X-Posting for completeness.


Austin wrote:India contracts IAI for nearly USD2 billion of air and missile defence systems

http://www.janes.com/article/69373/indi ... ce-systems

The contract, which IAI values at between USD1.6 billion and USD2 billion, will see the Medium-Range Surface-to-Air Missile (MR-SAM) system delivered to the Indian Army, and additional Long-Range Surface-to-Air Missile (LR-SAM) systems delivered to the Indian Navy (IN).

MR-SAM has been co-developed by Rafael and IAI's Elta division in conjunction with India's domestic industry and state-owned Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) as a development of the Barak 8 (Lightning) missile system (now re-designated Barak Long-Range [LR]). The system has a range of 70-80 km, and is comprised of an advanced 360 degree phased-array radar, command and control systems, mobile launchers, and radar-guided missiles. As previously reported by Jane's, the MR-SAM deal envisages five missile regiments comprising 40 firing units and 200 missiles, with deliveries expected to begin in 2023.

The Barak 8 will initially provide air and missile defence for the INS Kolkata , INS Kochi , and INS Chennai guided missile destroyers. The follow-on deal announced by IAI is for systems to equip the service's first domestically-built aircraft carrier; INS Vikrant . Officers have told Jane's that the LR-SAM is capable of simultaneously tracking multiple seaborne targets out to 25 km and fighter aircraft out to 250 km. Modelled around a multi-functional phased-array radar, the system comprises command and control systems, vertical launchers, and missiles.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby rags » 11 Apr 2017 06:05

@mod
Please feel free to move this link.

A new home ministry initiative
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... n=referral

Donation site
https://bharatkeveer.gov.in/

Warning: Its heart breaking to look at all those soldiers.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Manish_P » 11 Apr 2017 10:08

ramana wrote:Manish_P, Look at the tender and see how its requirements are matched by the KVSK 12.7.


Ramana ji, the SLAP (Saboted Light Armor Penetrator) round requirement made me think American

From Wiki

SLAP ammunition is produced in multiple calibers, examples being: 7.62×51mm NATO, 12.7×99mm NATO (.50 BMG) and 14.5×114mm, the former two by the United States and the latter by the People's Republic of China

Also the High Explosive Armour Piercing Incendiary (HEAP I) is available in .50 BMG, 12.7×99mm NATO

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby arun » 11 Apr 2017 11:08

^^^ Could be the UK as well. Check out Accuracy International AX-50 Anti Material Rifle (AMR):

AX-50 Rifle Systems

Then there is the possibility that it could be Canada. Check out McMillan TAC-50 A1:

TAC-50 A1

In sum, besides US, there are other national origin AMR’s that fire the range of NATO .50 BMG/12.7 MM ammunition. From that it follows that India’s AMR RFI has not been “tailored” with a specific product such as the Barrett M82-A1, in mind.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Manish_P » 11 Apr 2017 11:42

arun wrote:^^^ Could be the UK as well. Check out Accuracy International AX-50 Anti Material Rifle (AMR):

AX-50 Rifle Systems

Then there is the possibility that it could be Canada. Check out McMillan TAC-50 A1:

TAC-50 A1

In sum, besides US, there are other national origin AMR’s that fire the range of NATO .50 BMG/12.7 MM ammunition. From that it follows that India’s AMR RFI has not been “tailored” with a specific product such as the Barrett M82-A1, in mind.


Yes, and there are others as well (German, Swiss)... and it's a long time since we bought infantry arms from the Brits. IMVHO though the Americans seem to be the front-runners at the moment

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Karan M » 11 Apr 2017 16:33

And i remember several rtd types mocking this man for wearing chappals and his dress sense, on social media. The voluble pompous minority drowned out the voices of the majority of veterans who were most likely appreciative of a proper DM.

https://changingoutlooks.co/2017/03/15/ ... -minister/

Manohar Parrikar – The Man, The Minister
Posted on March 15, 2017 by changingoutlooks

After having gotten over the news of Manohar Parrikar going back to Goa as the Chief Minister, I write this piece as someone who has had the opportunity of meeting & interacting with him. My interactions with Mr Parrikar happened because I work with an Ex Service Men (ESM) organisation called Akhil Bharatiya Poorva Sainik Seva Parishad (ABPSSP) and as a member of a Mumbai based think tank, Forum for Integrated National Security (FINS).

I first met him in a conclave organised by FINS in February 2015. What struck me in that conclave was unlike other politicians, I found him listening more than talking. His speech at the conclave was brief, to the point and his vision of Make in India to succeed in the
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defence production segment was one of hope, positivity, and inclusiveness. He said he wanted more local manufacturers, big & small, to be part of the defence production process and assured them business from the Ministry of Defence if they were willing to commit to quality, timely deliverables & cost effectiveness. He made notes and asked questions to clarify, validate and understand. What a refreshing change it was to find a Minister do that.

The preceding months I had read enough criticism about him in/by the media – print, electronic and social. How he does not understand defence & security, his dressing sense, how he cannot salute, etc. etc. After having met him, the media view seemed so shallow. I wondered (still do) why the media focuses on the negative and destructive criticism rather than positive and constructive criticism.

In the following months, I had the opportunity to meet and interact with Mr Parrikar again. This time it was to do with my work in ABPSSP and working for the welfare of ESM. OROP agitation was at its peak and he was doing his best to resolve it in a conducive manner. His predecessors were in no way close to the patience he displayed towards all the ESM organisations and his commitment in seeing the OROP issue resolved. As OROP
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became a reality, he personally instructed my organisation to keep validating with our ESM members & families about the money being credited into their accounts. In fact, Mr Parrikar became a guiding force for ABPSSP to organise several meetings to resolve any pension related challenges of our ESM. On a visit to remote Mahuadan village in Jharkhand, when I addressed about 250 plus ESM & families and asked them about receiving OROP, they all affirmed positively. Not only that, they said, “We bless the Raksha Mantri for having made this possible.” Few politicians actually get blessings from the public!

Formal education and current position can define your worthiness. What makes you different is defined by your attitude towards others. And this is seen in Mr Parrikar. He always returned calls, responded to emails and did not bother about detractors who underestimated his intellect & judged him only by his outward appearance.

The energy and the “to do attitude” was so evident and infectious, that Mr Parrikar inspired the implementers endlessly. He himself is a man of action with a simple, straight forward approach. I had once asked him how he views his role as Raksha Mantri of the country. His response reflects his attitude. He said this is a role with responsibilities that has been entrusted to him by the government and he must deliver results to ensure proper functioning of the ministry. He shared great vibes when he visited formations and addressed the soldiers. Many of my serving friends in the armed forces have come away pleasantly surprised by his no nonsense approach & positive outlook towards bringing in necessary changes in the armed forces.

This must do approach again became evident when he facilitated a meeting between ABPSSP and Skill Development Ministry as we had requested for it. His support to build skill sets for our retiring soldiers and encouragement to use the skill sets they have developed while in service enabled us to create projects at the state level for both – the retired & the retiring soldier.

His sharp grasp of complexities and result oriented approach saw many a change in the Ministry of Defence. That was him as the Minister. What a lot of people may not know is the humane side of Mr Parrikar. His quiet visits to families of martyred soldiers, action towards their problems that were stuck in the bureaucratic labyrinth of the Ministry, ensuring quick decisions were implemented & cross verification of the same, his simple approach when he interacts and easy manner of communication, are all traits that make him differently unique in the world of politics. Families of martyred soldiers have a lot to be thankful for. In November last year, Mr Parrikar quietly doubled the compensation for widows and families of soldiers dying while fighting for the country in five categories. He has taken personal interest in every case that was put up to him for rehabilitation or resettling of families of martyred soldiers. For two ladies, Mrs Swati Mahadik (w/o Late Lt Col Santosh Mahadik) and Mrs Nidhi Dubey (w/o Late Naik Mukesh Dubey) he helped cut down the bureaucratic process of applying to the Officers Training Academy and today both are proud lady cadets at the OTA.

Mr Manohar Parrikar definitely initiated change in the Defence Ministry. However, as the man performing the role of a minister, he sets the benchmark high. That is a tall act to follow.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby VKumar » 12 Apr 2017 00:12

He may be back. AJ possibly holding dual posts in the interim.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby chetak » 12 Apr 2017 10:04

VKumar wrote:He may be back. AJ possibly holding dual posts in the interim.


If he moves out of goa, the squabbling will start again and the delicate coalition will fall apart.

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Postby Kakkaji » 12 Apr 2017 22:46

I hope they make VK Singh the next Raksha Mantri

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Postby jamwal » 21 Apr 2017 15:52

STATUE OF MARTYR CAPTAIN TUSHAR MAHAJAN, SHAURYA CHAKRA INSTALLED AT UDHAMPUR
A statue of martyr Captain Tushar Mahajan, a brave heart son of Udhampur, who was martyred in an anti-terrorist operation in Kashmir was unveiled at the 'T' Morh Junction of Udhampur on 20 April 2017, the date being his birthday.
Tushar, an intrepid army Special Forces Officer who was also an exceptional diver was commissioned into a Special Forces battalion in 2010. The officer made the supreme sacrifice while leading a team engaged in elimination of three terrorists who had taken refuge in the EDI building at Pampore near Srinagar , on 21 February 2016. Leading his team, Captain Tushar, displaying raw courage, stormed the building to flush out the terrorists. Despite grievously wounded in the firefight, he, with utter disregard to his personal safety, charged at the terrorists and eliminated them at close quarters. The officer exhibited indomitable courage conspicuous gallantry while leading his men from the front in the highest traditions of Indian Army before making the supreme sacrifice for the motherland. The grateful Nation bestowed the Shauya Chakra on the brave heart which was received by his father from the honorable Rashtrapati Shri Pranab Mukherjee on 20 March 2017.
The statue is a befitting tribute to the hero of Udhampur due to his heroics and sacrifice displaying unmatched leadership and courage which future generations would strive to emulate.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Karthik S » 21 Apr 2017 15:54

Nothing burns my stomach more than seeing such elite officers lost to $&cking terrorist pigs.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby SandeepS » 21 Apr 2017 20:31

ramana wrote:
What is infuriating is the services use the OFB and DRDO at same level as foreign vendors when they should use them as in-house resources.


Ramana, can you elaborate how the Services currently use OFB and DRDO, and how you propose they should use? Please keep in mind the real-world org structure which is present here: http://mod.nic.in/forms/Sublink1.aspx?lid=1536&Id=56

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Postby jamwal » 22 Apr 2017 10:37

https://www.facebook.com/armedforcesofi ... f=NEWSFEED

Facebook video, looks like counter-terrorism operation in J&K

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby jayasimha » 22 Apr 2017 16:16

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COMPENDIUM OF PROBLEM STATEMENTS
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