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Postby Ankit Desai » 11 Feb 2018 01:41

Govt sanctions Rs 1,487 cr to Army to boost perimeter security

Clearing the project, defence minister Nirmala Sitharaman has set a deadline of 10 months for the Army to carry it out. The Army headquarters has been told to monitor implementation of the project, they said


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Postby Manish_P » 14 Feb 2018 17:22

Indian Army's Lt Colonel posted in Jabalpur detained in honeytrap case

Days after an IAF group captain was arrested for leaking defence secrets allegedly to Pakistan after he was honeytrapped, an Army officer of a Lt Colonel rank was on Wednesday detained in Jabalpur in another honeytrap case.

The officer is working in the Jabalpur workshop and has been detained by the counter intelligence wing of the Army.

Sources have told Times of India that the officer's residence was raided by officials reportedly on the suspicion that he might have fallen prey to a honey trap set up by Pakistan’s Inter-services Intelligence (ISI).

The TOI report adds that the officer was questioned for a few hours at the Army Central Command Headquarters and was then taken to Lucknow for further investigation. Certain crucial intelligence documents were collected from the Lt Colonel’s office.

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^ Another report

FoBs built by Army inaugurated at Elphinstone-Parel, Currey Road and Ambivali stations

The three foot overbridges constructed by the army at Elphinstone Road-Parel, Currey Road, and Ambivli stations were thrown open to the public on Tuesday. The task was a first for the Indian Army, which had no experience of undertaking such civil infrastructure projects. Brigadier Dheeraj Mohan, who supervised the entire project, said the bridges were built within three months even as the Western Railway said the construction was completed in 117 days.


The FOBs were constructed by the Bombay Engineering Group or the Bombay Sappers – a regiment of the Corps of Engineers of the Indian Army centered in Pune’s Khadki.


The army officials said it was a proud moment for them, not just because the FOBs were constructed so quickly, but also because they received so much goodwill from the citizens of Mumbai. Hours before the inauguration, scores of flower vendors decorated the Elphinstone Road FOB to convey their gratitude towards the army. “Very happy, very proud of the team,” Brigadier Mohan said. “The Elphinstone Road-Parel FOB was constructed in 90 days, the Currey Road bridge in 76 days, and the Ambivli bridge in just 72 days. We haven’t billed a single rupee towards labour charge,” he said.

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Postby sanjayc » 28 Feb 2018 23:32

Defence ministry approved purchase of 41K LMGs, 3.5 lakh carbines

NEW DELHI: The defence ministry on Wednesday approved capital acquisition proposals worth nearly Rs 9,435 crore including procurement of 41,000 light machine guns and over 3.5 lakh battle carbines to bolster firepower of infantry soldiers deployed along borders with China and Pakistan.

The proposals were cleared at a meeting of the Defence Acquisition Council (DAC), the defence ministry's highest decision making body on procurement.

The total cost for procurement of 41,000 LMGs will be Rs 3,000 crore while over 3.5 lakh Close Quarter Battle Carbines will be bought at a cost of Rs 4,607 crore respectively, defence ministry officials said.

They said the weapons are being procured particularly to enhance the fire power of soldiers deployed along India's borders with Pakistan and China.

"With the approval of these two proposals, the government has cleared procurement of the entire range of personal weapons for the three services," the ministry said in a statement.

It said "Of these, immediate operational requirement for the soldiers deployed on the borders will be procured through fast track procurement and for the balance production lines will be set up in India."

On February 13, the defence ministry had approved capital acquisition proposals worth Rs 15,935 crore which included purchase of 7.40 lakh assault rifles, 5,719 sniper rifles and light machine guns.

Out of total quantities of the weapons, 75 per cent will be procured through Indian Industry under 'Buy & Make (Indian)' category and balance through the state-run Ordnance Factory Board (OFB), officials said.

The DAC, chaired by Defence Minister Nirmala Sitharaman, also approved procurement of "essential quantity" of 'High Capacity Radio Relay' (HCRR) for the Army and the Air Force at an estimated cost of over Rs 1,092 crore.

To enhance the ability of the Indian Coast Guard to rapidly undertake pollution control measures off the East Coast and Island Territories, the DAC cleared the proposal for acquisition of two Pollution Control Vessels (PCV).

The vessels would be built by Indian shipyards at an approximate cost of Rs 673 crore.

"These ships in addition to carrying out pollution control would also be capable of undertaking patrolling, search and rescue and limited salvage and fire fighting operations at sea," the ministry said.

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Postby Kashi » 01 Mar 2018 07:52

What does clearance of proposals mean? Does it mean that the forces will now float tenders and RFPs and based on responses they'll shortlist and test the contenders and forward their recommendations to MoD, who'll then decide on the purchase?

How long will the process take?

Or does it mean the products are already identified and MoD has agreed to sign the deal to purchase them?

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Postby Kashi » 01 Mar 2018 11:37

What's up with our senior officers calling for "dialogue" with Pakistan, including Pakistani military?

First it was General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Army Training Command (ARTRAC), Lt Gen M M Naravane

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... e-5080953/

Lt Gen Naravane said that by virtue of the China Pakistan Economic Corridor passing through Pakistan-occupied Kashmir, China has ‘willy-nilly’ become a third party to the J&K dispute despite India’s objections.
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Referring to the ongoing ceasefire violations on the Line of Control (LoC) in Jammu and Kashmir, General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Army Training Command (ARTRAC), Lt Gen M M Naravane on Tuesday said that it will be difficult to restore peace on the border at tactical level, and that a lasting peace with Pakistan can only be found at the negotiating table.

Lt Gen Naravane said 2017 was the worst year in ceasefire violations, and the first two months of 2018 were no better. “Peace on border is difficult to achieve at tactical level alone. Restoring ceasefire requires statesmanship, not brinkmanship,” he said.

Addressing a seminar on “Emerging geo-strategic manifestations in Pakistan — Implications for India” at Panjab University, the Army Commander said that both India and Pakistan have been aggressively pursuing a policy of unrelenting tit-for-tat for the last few years. “But we need to analyse what will be the end result of this approach,” he said. “Kashmir still remains far from normal despite the strategy of matching response being followed by both nations. Be that as it may, there is no shying away from the fact that a lasting peace can only be found at the negotiating table.”

On the way ahead, Lt Gen Naravane said India will have to continue to act with a sense of responsibility, expected of a regional power, while trying to achieve a unanimity of purpose with regard to the policy with Pakistan.
The Army Commander said that Pakistan is like a mirror on the wall. “We need to look at it and not make the same mistakes, particularly in light of growing radicalisation and intolerance within our own society over mundane issues,” he said.:shock:


And then we have Lt Gen Surinder Singh, the General Officer Commanding-in-Chief, Western Command, almost echoing his statements

http://indianexpress.com/article/india/ ... l-5082346/

"I think this can be worked out. If we can improve our relations with China, we can develop the best possible leverage with Pakistan in times to come,” Lt Gen Singh said.
Does Gen. sa'ab really believe that?

“It will also help us secure one side of the border. People keep talking about a two-front war. It is never a good idea, never a smart idea to fight a two-front war,” he said. He added that there were various options, including re-negotiating some treaties, to bring about some pressure on Pakistan.

“In Pakistan, military’s writ runs. Therefore, sooner or later, we have to talk to their military. I am convinced that on our side also, military diplomacy plays a very important role. Therefore, there has to be a greater role to military diplomacy so that the militaries of the two nations can work with each other and bring about greater confidence in each other and we can go forward,” he said.

Referring to China, the Army commander said the relations were manageable. “There is not that sort of enmity, from people to people or from entire polity on one side and the polity on the other side. There are differences on demarcation of borders. I think this can be worked out. If we can improve our relations with China, we can develop the best possible leverage with Pakistan in times to come,” Lt Gen Singh added. “Working with China will secure one side of border,” he said.

The general also emphasised that Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence had reduced the window for conventional conflict.
“You can only push them conventionally to a limit and not beyond that. And no nuclear nation can be browbeaten beyond a particular stage. It is for that nation to lay down the red lines as to what is the limit of the punishment they will take,” he said.

Referring to the possibility of a conventional conflict with Pakistan, Lt Gen Singh said, “Sometimes, conventional conflict does not take place because you can achieve any great military objective but because at times you can get pushed into the conflict due to public opinion. Therefore, sometimes it becomes the case of tail wagging the dog.”


It seems the two senior generals are actually contradicting their COAS's previous statements about being prepared for a two-front war and calling Pakistan's bluff.

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Postby sum » 01 Mar 2018 12:19

Now its clear why its easy to say that we should trash/invade Pak etc but people who think so are a clear minority even within the armed forces apparently

Can only imagine the tough job for modi even to get a moderately tough stance to be adopted by all folks in the higher circle

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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 01 Mar 2018 19:49

There is a lot of sense in building bridges with China while not showing fear because there is a civilizational convergence which is not there with Pak. Pak is a civilizational enemy. We must have that dialogue with china including the danger they face from Christian missionaries and Islam.

However I completely disagree with the above statements by the two Army Cdrs on managing Pak. I do not know the context of these but this makes no sense at all.

''The general also emphasised that Pakistan’s nuclear deterrence had reduced the window for conventional conflict.You can only push them conventionally to a limit and not beyond that. And no nuclear nation can be browbeaten beyond a particular stage. It is for that nation to lay down the red lines as to what is the limit of the punishment they will take,” he said.

If the above is correct then we are a nuclear nation as well and surely its also up to us to lay down our redlines too. Any normal nation would done that two decades ago !! These are weak statements and devoid of logic.

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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 01 Mar 2018 20:08

sum wrote:Now its clear why its easy to say that we should trash/invade Pak etc but people who think so are a clear minority even within the armed forces apparently

Can only imagine the tough job for modi even to get a moderately tough stance to be adopted by all folks in the higher circle


How can you make the statement that people who think we should thrash are a minority. You just don't have the data to reach that conclusion.

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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 01 Mar 2018 21:10

This could also be a Maskirovka. Read Nitin Gokhales account on how disinformation was sowed lulling Pam into a false sense of security before surgical strikes . More I think about it more it makes sense. Let’s hope this is true.

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Postby Thakur_B » 04 Mar 2018 08:21

https://www.thebetterindia.com/129929/karnataka-mudhol-indian-breeds-army



Glad to see indigenous canines getting the attention they deserve. There are some fearsome Indian breeds of mastiffs that are on the brink of obscurity just because there is very low awareness about them.

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Postby jaysimha » 06 Mar 2018 15:09

Press Information Bureau
Government of India
Ministry of Defence
05-March-2018 15:07 IST
Reforms in the Indian Army to Enhance Combat Capability

A Committee of Experts (CoE) was constituted by Ministry of Defence under the chairmanship of Lt. Gen. (Retd) DB Shekatkar to recommend measures to enhance combat capability and rebalance defence expenditure of the armed forces. The Committee submitted its report in December 2016. The Report was taken up by the Ministry of Defence to frame key action points and roadmap for implementation. Action has already been initiated on the following:



Optimization of Signals Establishments to include Radio Monitoring Companies, Corps Air Support Signal Regiments, Air Formation Signal Regiments, Composite Signal Regiments and merger of Corps Operating and Engineering Signal Regiments.
Restructuring of repair echelons in the Army to include Base Workshops, Advance Base Workshops and Static / Station Workshops in the field Army.
Redeployment of Ordnance echelons to include Vehicle Depots, Ordnance Depots and Central Ordnance Depots apart from streamlining inventory control mechanisms.
Better utilization of Supply and Transportation echelons and Animal Transport Units.
Closure of Military Farms and Army Postal Establishments in peace locations.
Enhancement in standards for recruitment of clerical staff and drivers in the Army.
Improving the efficiency of the National Cadet Corps.


This information was given by RakshaRajyaMantriDr. Subhash Bhamre in a written reply to ShriD. Kupendra Reddyin Rajya Sabha today.

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The Minister of State for Defence, Dr. Subhash Ramrao Bhamre addressing the gathering at the Annual Army Seminar 2017-18, in New Delhi on March 01, 2018. The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat is also seen.
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The Minister of State for Defence, Dr. Subhash Ramrao Bhamre releasing two books, namely ‘The Purpose of India’s Security Strategy: Defence, Deterrence and Global Involvement’ by Prof. Gautam Sen and ‘Mountain Warfare and the Indian Army: Towards an Effective Deterrence Capability’ by Col. Gautam Das (Retd), at the Annual Army Seminar 2017-18, in New Delhi on March 01, 2018. The Chief of Army Staff, General Bipin Rawat is also seen.
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Postby ramana » 07 Mar 2018 01:54

I would like to read both the books and see what progress has been achieved.
Especially the latter.

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Postby Katare » 07 Mar 2018 02:21

Thakur_B wrote:https://www.thebetterindia.com/129929/karnataka-mudhol-indian-breeds-army



Glad to see indigenous canines getting the attention they deserve. There are some fearsome Indian breeds of mastiffs that are on the brink of obscurity just because there is very low awareness about them.


Wow that looks just like a Saluki, the hunting dog of Egyptian Pharos. Saluki is the Ferrari of the dog world, built for speed and chasing, very expensive to buy, train and own. It takes centuries to breed a dog with those characteristics so it had to be a hybrid of imported Saluki dogs. I could not catch the local/desi name but anyhow kudos to IA for looking inwards.

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Postby ramana » 07 Mar 2018 03:45

This is the Mudhol breed of dogs.

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Postby Manish_P » 07 Mar 2018 08:58

Mudhols do claim to have been developed from cross breeding with Salukis.

Tough guys these (tougher than kannis, chippiparais).. valued for their sheer stamina as much as for their speed.

The Indian army knows their hounds for sure.

Added - These are sight hounds - slender and streamlined, very different as compared to Mastiffs who typically are stockier with large heads (like Rottweiler, Pitbulls, Bully Kutta etc)

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Postby Katare » 07 Mar 2018 11:29

Thx Ramana,
It takes centuries to create a super specialized dog like Saluki.
Manish,
Rottweiler, pitbull terriers and bully are not mastiff brees, they are called extra large breeds, they are a notch below mastiff breeds in size. I have a gorgeous Tibetan mastiff of snowlion type. Tibetan mastiff is now considered the father of all mastiffs.

Anyhow enough OT. Lets get back to subject

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Postby brvarsh » 07 Mar 2018 11:39

Manish_P wrote:Mudhols do claim to have been developed from cross breeding with Salukis.
Tough guys these (tougher than kannis, chippiparais).. valued for their sheer stamina as much as for their speed.

I am surprised how well Mudhols are adapting to cold weather of Kashmir. They along with Chippaparais love warm weather and do not tolerate cold much. I guess they have special weather clothing to wear. But wondering how well would they do on snow?

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Postby Vips » 09 Mar 2018 07:48

Army officer scales peak, stumbles across outpost named after her dad.

A young woman lieutenant in the Indian Army, posted in Tenga, Arunachal Pradesh, was on an initiation tour recently, which took her to a post at Kyapho in the Tawang sector. The post was named "Ashish Top". Her curiosity aroused, she asked how an army post in Arunachal Pradesh got the name. When she did learn who Ashish was, she was speechless. It was her very own father, Ashish Das, who retired as a colonel of the Assam Regiment, who — at that very moment — was at the family's home.

A call from Ashish Top to home followed as soon as she digested the "stunning discovery". "I was at home when I received a call from the commanding officer of the unit manning Ashish Top. He introduced himself and described how my daughter had broken down on coming to know that the post was named after me," Das told TOI.

"I may have told my family of our unit's exploits in that sector in 1986 but my daughter was not even born then," he added. "Even I came to know about this post being named after me only in 2003, 17 years after we beat back troops of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) and occupied the post at 14,000 feet,"he said.

Das recalled how the 1986 events unfolded. The PLA made deep incursions across the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Sumdorong Chu Valley of Arunachal Pradesh and began constructing helipads and permanent structures. Later that year, Indian Army chief Gen K Sundarji launched what was to be later known (though never officially acknowledged) as Operation Falcon. An entire infantry brigade was airlifted to a makeshift landing area at Zimithang, near Sumdorong Chu.

"We had to blast our way through Bum La and reached the Sangetsar lake. The Chinese were sitting just across. Our orders were to hold ground and we dug in. Every officer must have made 17-20 copies of wills in the intervening days and handed them over to their adjutants. We started to move forward a few days later and also blasted Kyapho that was snowed in. We did not know that we had crossed the Chinese camp but maintained our position. There were attempts to supply rations by air but the drops landed inside China. I remember surviving on rats. It was only later that skid boards were designed and rations reached us. A helipad was also constructed. There were firefights every day as we proceeded from one bunker to the next," Das said.

He remembers it was Onam when he, along with a small party, set out to return to base when they realised that the PLA was after them. Das (then a captain) opened fire on the Chinese, which forced the latter to give up the chase. The men remained there for three days without food. "There would be heavy firing at night followed by white flares during the day and parleys with the local Chinese political commissar," Das recalled.

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Postby rkhanna » 09 Mar 2018 10:49

Vips wrote:Army officer scales peak, stumbles across outpost named after her dad.

A young woman lieutenant in the Indian Army, posted in Tenga, Arunachal Pradesh, was on an initiation tour recently, which took her to a post at Kyapho in the Tawang sector. The post was named "Ashish Top". Her curiosity aroused, she asked how an army post in Arunachal Pradesh got the name. When she did learn who Ashish was, she was speechless. It was her very own father, Ashish Das, who retired as a colonel of the Assam Regiment, who — at that very moment — was at the family's home.

A call from Ashish Top to home followed as soon as she digested the "stunning discovery". "I was at home when I received a call from the commanding officer of the unit manning Ashish Top. He introduced himself and described how my daughter had broken down on coming to know that the post was named after me," Das told TOI.

"I may have told my family of our unit's exploits in that sector in 1986 but my daughter was not even born then," he added. "Even I came to know about this post being named after me only in 2003, 17 years after we beat back troops of China's People's Liberation Army (PLA) and occupied the post at 14,000 feet,"he said.

Das recalled how the 1986 events unfolded. The PLA made deep incursions across the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Sumdorong Chu Valley of Arunachal Pradesh and began constructing helipads and permanent structures. Later that year, Indian Army chief Gen K Sundarji launched what was to be later known (though never officially acknowledged) as Operation Falcon. An entire infantry brigade was airlifted to a makeshift landing area at Zimithang, near Sumdorong Chu.

"We had to blast our way through Bum La and reached the Sangetsar lake. The Chinese were sitting just across. Our orders were to hold ground and we dug in. Every officer must have made 17-20 copies of wills in the intervening days and handed them over to their adjutants. We started to move forward a few days later and also blasted Kyapho that was snowed in. We did not know that we had crossed the Chinese camp but maintained our position. There were attempts to supply rations by air but the drops landed inside China. I remember surviving on rats. It was only later that skid boards were designed and rations reached us. A helipad was also constructed. There were firefights every day as we proceeded from one bunker to the next," Das said.

He remembers it was Onam when he, along with a small party, set out to return to base when they realised that the PLA was after them. Das (then a captain) opened fire on the Chinese, which forced the latter to give up the chase. The men remained there for three days without food. "There would be heavy firing at night followed by white flares during the day and parleys with the local Chinese political commissar," Das recalled.



Thats an incredible story. Any detailed info on Op Falcon and the 86 enagement?

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Postby Rakesh » 11 Mar 2018 21:54

Wish the young officer all the best in his Army career!

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Postby Rakesh » 11 Mar 2018 22:01

I am not well versed on the recent controversy on whether-the-Army-should-be-used-to-build-bridges issue. But the excellent and must-have-visibility the Indian Army has received (and will receive each time citizenry see the signage) over the completion of the railway bridge is truly amazing. An excellent job by the Indian Army.

https://twitter.com/majorgauravarya/sta ... 9721159680 ---> Top quality. Top speed. Absolute transparency. Three months flat. This was just a small example of “how it’s done”. Please join me in congratulating Bombay Sappers & Indian Army. So proud.

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Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Mar 2018 22:09

I think major arya is doing great work by forcefully bringing the indian viewpoint to MSM, he calls a spade a spade, he's made many of of the BRF or nationalistic viewpoints mainstream. It is great to have a patriot like him, I wish our media was dominated by people like him, who acted as voice to people like us rather than leftist/jnu junta

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Postby ArjunPandit » 11 Mar 2018 22:11

Rakesh wrote:I am not well versed on the recent controversy on whether-the-Army-should-be-used-to-build-bridges issue. But the excellent and must-have-visibility the Indian Army has received (and will receive each time citizenry see the signage) over the completion of the railway bridge is truly amazing. An excellent job by the Indian Army.

Barring the controversy, it is a slap on the face of those liberals who cry so what if soldiers are fighting in siachen, these guys, when asked to, do jobs far far better than any civilian authority. The least we civilians can offer them is our respect

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Postby Akshay Kapoor » 12 Mar 2018 22:55

Re making bridges, the problem is that this often happens as an abdication of civil administrations role. They can't keep shying away from their basic duties and keep calling the army in. And then they want to lord it over the forces as a 'superior' organisation - as Vidurji say's they have 'power and army has none'. This is completely wrong.

Having said that if its crucial need and a rare case the army can be asked to do this - it helps in bridging training also. But this constant abdication of duties by civil administration is ridiculous.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Manish_P » 13 Mar 2018 00:49

Katare wrote:Manish,
Rottweiler, pitbull terriers and bully are not mastiff brees, they are called extra large breeds, they are a notch below mastiff breeds in size. I have a gorgeous Tibetan mastiff of snowlion type. Tibetan mastiff is now considered the father of all mastiffs.

Anyhow enough OT. Lets get back to subject


[OT] Actually a Tibetan Mastiff is not considered a true Mastiff (originally referring strictly to Molosser type) as it's ancient ancestor does not come from that region, but yes it is one of the most ancient of dog species [/OT]

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Postby kancha » 13 Mar 2018 15:41

Eastern Command FB Page: Indian Army rescues 680 civilians stranded at Sela Pass, Arunachal Pradesh

Brilliance indeed. But what struck me was that the entire operation was executed by three teams led by two captains and a havaldar!

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Postby Rakesh » 13 Mar 2018 18:53

DEATH BY BUDGET: Is This The Indian Army’s Angriest Report To Government?
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“Modernisation of both Pakistan and China is going on in full swing. China is competing to reach the levels of US. It is important that we remain deterrent as far as these are concerned. The possibility of two front war is a reality and speaking about it, it is important that we are conscious of the issue and we pay attention to our modernisation and filling up our deficiencies. More than ever, there is an increasing obligation to ensure that our Nation cements its military capability and is recognised as a net security provider in the South Asian region. However, the current Budget does little to contribute to this requirement.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Rakesh » 13 Mar 2018 19:12

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/973532607785955328 ---> What is so surprising about the Army's current procurement woes? It has an ORBAT that was built up using Soviet support with an ever bloating revenue component due to COIN, etc. Now it needs one for one replacement of several legacy classes of equipment besides new systems.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/973533275825328129 ----> Unfortunately, there are no easy answers to the Army's woes. Today, I also believe that it has to be downsized and specific formations have to be augmented to fight 'local wars under conditions of informatization' to borrow a phrase from the Chinese.

https://twitter.com/SJha1618/status/973533993902706688 ----> It has to be equipped for limited conflict and to borrow another term (this time from the Americans) for 'effects based operations'. It must leave COIN to troops from the MHA, with 'empowered' Indian Army advisors embedded with them to bring them up to speed.

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Postby ShauryaT » 13 Mar 2018 19:51

^The Army's ORBAT is also not aligned with political objectives and realities. In all of this 90% of the responsibility is with the civilian leadership that has really taken NO interest in understanding or knowing about hard power and aligning this power with realistic objectives and threats. We maintain three large strike corps entirely plains focused, who's objective no matter what anyone says, from a capabilities perspective is designed to capture territory in Pakistan and dismantle that nation. It is the Army's armored corps that has the lion's share of the capital budget. Any realistic reorganization and re-allocation of assets and capabilities will have to start with a review of our strike corps.

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Postby srin » 13 Mar 2018 21:25

Getting army out of internal security is an interesting option. But it requires our paramilitary forces under MHA to step up.

Here's Maj Gaurav Arya's blogpost recommending a non-IPS cadre for paramilitary forces: https://majorgauravarya.wordpress.com/2017/12/19/the-others/

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ShauryaT » 14 Mar 2018 06:46

Top Army General: Budget cut in defence dashed our hopes

Paining a "disturbed" security situation picture where China is becoming increasingly assertive alongside rising cross-border firing by Pakistan, a top Army officer has said a low defence budget has "dashed" the hopes of the forces and they have suffered a "little setback" because of it.

Deposing before the standing committee of Parliament on defence, Army Vice Chief Lt Gen Sarath Chand said the possibility of a two-front war is real and both China and Pakistan are modernising at full swing and the country should take steps to strengthen the military.

"However, the current Budget does little to contribute to this requirement The marginal increase in budgetary estimates barely accounts for the inflation and does not even cater for the taxes," he told the panel.

The seven reports of the standing committee tabled in Parliament on Tuesday revealed that allocation of Rs 21,338 crore for modernising the force was barely enough for the "committed payment" of Rs 29,033 crore for 125 ongoing schemes and emergency requirements.

"We are aghast to note this dismal scenario where the representatives of the Services have themselves frankly explained the negative repercussions on our defence preparedness due to inadequate fund allocations," said the panel, chaired by BJP leader Major General BC Khanduri, in the reports.

The Army told the committee that it is short of Rs 6,380 crore to build ammunition stocks necessary for fighting an intense war for 10 days. The government has set June 2018 as its target for meeting critical shortage of ammunition held by the force - a deficiency that limits the Army's ability to fight prolonged wars.

The Army also revealed that the activities of Chinese military in Tibet have increased over the years, whether it is the quantum of troops or the number of personnel undertaking the exercises as well as the level of exercises.

"On our western border, we have seen increasing cross-border firing to support the militants and it has affected our civilian population We have also seen a few daring attempts of fidayeen in Uri, Pathankot, Nagrota. These are a few examples besides the recent one in Sunjwan Cantt in Jammu and Kashmir," the Vice Chief told the committee.

Taking into account the developments in the Maldives, the officer said, "Overall, we have a disturbed situation and all the more important is that the defence forces should get their due and more attention is paid to them."

He said it was important that "we pay attention to our modernisation and filling up our deficiencies. More than ever, there is an increasing obligation to ensure that our Nation cements its military capability and is recognised as a net security provider in the South Asian region."

The Army representatives in their deposition also blamed the new tax laws under the Goods and Services Tax (GST) regime for burdening the force with requirement of paying an additional Rs 5,000 crore.

They said the taxation has not been catered for in the budget and this has resulted in shortfall of Rs 9,282 crore in the funds for maintenance and salaries for the force.

Seeking an additional allocation of over Rs 21,000 crore, the Army said the defence ministry has delegated powers to the vice chief of Army for perimeter security of military stations to prevent terror attacks like the ones in Uri and Sunjuwan and works worth over Rs 14,000 crore are to be done in this regard.

"However, there is no separate allocation for this. So, this money is also to be found from the same budget, leaving us with no choice but to re-prioritise either to reduce our requirement as far as the security of military stations are concerned or go slow on some other acquisition," the force said.

During the briefing to the standing committee, the Air Force and the Navy also mentioned similar problems of fund shortage where the budget was not even enough to meet their committed liabilities.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Philip » 14 Mar 2018 09:39

The GOI has been a great disappointment to national security which has actually worsened ( as predicted) from the concerted Sino- Pak offensive against India.In the light of this , surely the GOI should've increased real spending in an increased defence budget for services' modernisation and expansion.The width and scope for naval patrols and ops has increased but funding not proportionate for its increased responsibilities.A v.dismal picture with the IAF also saying that it cannot meet a two- front war.This beggars the heretical Q whether things were better during the UPA regime where there was more moolah?!

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby suryag » 14 Mar 2018 15:18

I have a slightly different take on this, we are always counting the defence budget as a %age of GDP. While this metric is invariant shouldnt we then be considering the fact that our GDP unlike other nation is on a 7% growth trajectory i.e., GDP for 2015 was 2.08tn, 2016 was 2.26tn and 2017 is projected to be 2.43tn which means if our defence expenditure has been constant at around 2.3% of our GDP in actual numbers it has translated to 42bn(2015) to 52bn(2016) to 55.8bn(2017). Accounting for inflation there is real increase in the spending. This may obviously not be enough to fund some capital purchases but it is an increase though and not a decrease. Now it is upto the forces to always do more with less, while what am saying may sound dense this battle is present in every company/org and i have been through this QoQ. In essence, what am saying is there has to be constant improvement in the way things are done(of course we cannot expect the forces to turn their modus operandi on a dime) as this is a part of life in any professional org.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ramana » 15 Mar 2018 00:31

Can you tweet it? lot of FUD there.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby Akshay Kapoor » 18 Mar 2018 16:17

Quiz : There is a SF unit which has recently been in the news. Its nick name comes from its history - it was raised by converting an entire inf bn. The nickname refers to a weapon used by one of India's greatest hero who was a great king, statesman and visionary. Name the unit, the weapon and the parent infantry batalion.

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Re: Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

Postby ks_sachin » 18 Mar 2018 18:12

21 para SF
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