Indian Army News & Discussions - 11 June 2014

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 23 Jun 2016 23:00

abhishek_sharma wrote:Indian Army warns Rs 40,000 crore Arunachal border road could be a liability if tensions break out with China

I doubt the veracity of this report in a UK daily. I can easily post a half dozen articles by more credible sources claiming the opposite view point on this matter.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2016 06:14

tsarkar wrote: Roads can always be demolished or ambushed. Military examples exists of LTTE or Maoists or the German defence of Netherlands roads during Operation Market Garden. Mountain roads are even easier to demolish.
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It's like wearing rags because someone might rob your clothes. A better option is improving the ability to defend oneself. For example, raising more Arunachal Scouts Battalions to defend home & hearth.

Once mountains are cut and forests cleared they stay cleared. That is what the Chinese have done on their side of Arunachal Pradesh - putting roads parallel to river valleys. In the image below (click on thumbnail) one can follow the rivers and tell where the Chinese border ends and Indian border begins by the deforestation by the rivers on the Chinese side. the Chinese have built roads right up to the border next to rivers by gouging out mountainside and removing the forest.

The question is - do we have the capability to take out Chinese infrastructure in Tibet to scotch a massive pouring in of Chinese forces?

The Longewala battle was an example of a last ditch effort that worked - or else Pakistan armour had access to a great metalled road to take them all the way to Jaisalmer and beyond in a matter of hours. The Pakis had no air support. Can we repeat that in a 100 places in AP?

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2016 06:15

ShauryaT wrote:
abhishek_sharma wrote:Indian Army warns Rs 40,000 crore Arunachal border road could be a liability if tensions break out with China
I doubt the veracity of this report in a UK daily. I can easily post a half dozen articles by more credible sources claiming the opposite view point on this matter.

This is a good opportunity to post those articles

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 06:29

Strategic Road-Building along the India-China border

The first sign of a shift in the Indian defensive thinking about strategic roads came about in May 2006 when the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs (CCEA) cleared the construction of strategic roads in Arunachal Pradesh. This reversed the 1962 mindset. Moreover, India was also forced to respond to the rapid Chinese road building activities in bordering countries like Myanmar, Nepal and Pakistan. China established vital road-links with Nepal via the Kodari highway, which connects Lhasa and Kathmandu. With Pakistan, China is connected through the Karakoram highway. The Chinese presence in Myanmar is enabled by an open border in Yunnan. Roads have benefited Chinese economic activity in these countries and have also enhanced China’s influence in these states that are located along India’s borders. One must note that it is within the Chinese grand strategic matrix to rapidly increase economic ties in South Asia, an effort in which it has been successful.

Besides, one of the biggest complaints of the 120,000 Indian troops stationed in the eastern sector is the lack of road infrastructure in Arunachal Pradesh.

Let me know, how many more do we want posted.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2016 06:33

ShauryaT wrote:Strategic Road-Building along the India-China border
The first sign of a shift in the Indian defensive thinking about strategic roads came about in May 2006 when the Cabinet Committee on Economic Affairs (CCEA) cleared the construction of strategic roads in Arunachal Pradesh. This reversed the 1962 mindset. Moreover, India was also forced to respond to the rapid Chinese road building activities in bordering countries like Myanmar, Nepal and Pakistan. China established vital road-links with Nepal via the Kodari highway, which connects Lhasa and Kathmandu. With Pakistan, China is connected through the Karakoram highway. The Chinese presence in Myanmar is enabled by an open border in Yunnan. Roads have benefited Chinese economic activity in these countries and have also enhanced China’s influence in these states that are located along India’s borders. One must note that it is within the Chinese grand strategic matrix to rapidly increase economic ties in South Asia, an effort in which it has been successful.

Besides, one of the biggest complaints of the 120,000 Indian troops stationed in the eastern sector is the lack of road infrastructure in Arunachal Pradesh.
Let me know, how many more do we want posted.

You said you could "easily post half a dozen"

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 06:46

Urgent need to improve India’s border infrastructure

Senior BJP Member of Parliament Mr. Rajiv Pratap Rudy kick-started the discussion which was followed by other panelists - Brig. Arun Sahgal (Retd.), Maj. Gen. Sheru Thapliyal (Retd.) and Dr. Rajeswari Pillai Rajagopalan. The discussion was chaired by Brig. Gurmeet Kanwal (Retd.), Director, Centre for Land Warfare Studies. Mr. Rudy, who had visited some of the border areas in Leh, Ladakh, Arunachal Pradesh and northern Sikkim as part of a team set up by his party to study reported Chinese incursions, said: "The whole border is a matter of perception for both India and China. While we say this is part of India as per our perception, the Chinese have a different perfection. For thousands of miles, there is no population and one has to believe what the system tells me."

It was noted that for many decades the Indian government, including the Army and the bureaucracy, were averse to the idea of developing infrastructure in the border areas for two considerations: first, that improved infrastructure will be taken advantage of by Chinese troops and second, because having infrastructure in border areas also meant they have to defend the infrastructure. This perception has, however, changed today.

You will just make me work...

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2016 06:57

Well you asked me

Anyhow, "border infrastructure" can mean a lot of things. The entire state of Aru P is not well connected by road or rail and there must be scope for building that up. But for a distance of 10 km (my guesstimate, from my musharraf) from the border, the type of infrastructure to be built (or not built) should really be decided in consultation with th army and air force.

Many spots in the state are supplied by helicopter which is a shame and that needs changing, but the change may not be extending connectivity to make it convenient for the Chinese.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 06:59

India priorities infrastructure in Chinese border along Arunachal and Sikkim

Defence Secretary Radha Krishna Mathur during his recent visit of Tripura has said Indian government has begun developing infrastructure along entire stretch of China border in Arunachal Pradesh and Sikkim. Development of connectivity and road communication has been given the priority in Indian side of China. He rules out any defence collaboration with China in near future. “Better management of border with China is the immediate need for India. Further issues related to border will be discussed during proposed China visit of Prime Minister Narendra Modi,” Mathur said.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 07:04

As further evidence of the Army not opposing such an effort, believe they now have BRO reporting to them, partly due to the lack of sufficient progress in Arunachal.

shaun · Post by **shaun** » 24 Jun 2016 07:04

Support for not developing infrastructure due to chini threat by IA ,sounds fishy to me. Are there any official words from IA about it??? IAF activating numerous ALGs at the frontiers tells a different story.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 07:15

India's new policy puts roads ahead of wildlife concerns

A fortnight after Prakash Javadekar was sworn in as India’s minister for environment, forests, and climate change on 26 May, he announced a new policy. Any defence-related project within 62 miles (100 km) of the border with China will get environmental approval fast. Five states – Jammu and Kashmir, Himachal Pradesh, Uttarakhand, Sikkim, and Arunachal Pradesh – will have the power of veto.

Officials from the ministry of defence complain that 3,728 miles of roads linking outposts and camps to main roads have been stuck for want of environmental clearances. Javadekar’s new policy aims to avoid these delays compromising India’s military capability.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 07:24

Raising New Formations
By Lt General (Retd) V.K. Kapoor

India’s Response in Terms of Infrastructure

The increased force levels in the Eastern Theatre will not be operationally sustainable if the road and airfield infrastructure does not keep pace with the increased strengths of personnel and transport. Not only would it be difficult to mobilise at short notice, even subsequent maintenance of the troops and equipment located in remote high-altitude areas would be difficult, and in war, sustenance of this force on limited arteries would be a nightmare. Deficiencies on the Indian side have been noted by the government especially in the border areas with China in Arunachal Pradesh and Ladakh. The Border Roads Organisation (BRO) has been tasked to complete eight roads termed ‘strategic’ in Arunachal Pradesh by 2013. Only four have been completed as yet. Monika Chansoria, Senior Fellow at the Centre for Land Warfare Studies (CLAWS), in her paper on China’s Infrastructure developments in Tibet states: “The BRO had been directed to complete construction of 608 km of roads stretching from Ladakh to Diphu La in Arunachal, at a cost of Rs. 992 crore ($203,000,000) by 2010. As many as 75 roads with a total length of more than 6,000 km are now under construction at a cost of Rs. 5,000 crore. Besides this, 7,000 km of roads costing Rs. 12,000 crore are under various stages of construction in the northeast. The Special Accelerated Road Development Programme for the Northeast (SARDP-NE) was divided into two phases: The first phase involving 1,300 km of roads, primarily in the northeastern states, to be completed by 2010; the second phase involves 5,700 km with a 2013 deadline. Further, the Inter-Ministerial China Study Group proposed construction of at least 75 roads all along the border, of which 36 have been earmarked for Arunachal Pradesh alone.”

The Indian Air Force (IAF) has reportedly begun upgrading its advanced landing grounds (ALGs) in Ladakh and Arunachal Pradesh. The IAF has built four air bases in Ladakh since 2008, with plans to upgrade such bases in Arunachal in a time bound manner as well. It has been reported that India is also progressively reactivating old ALGs like the Daulat Beg Oldi, Phukche, Chushul and Nyoma airstrips in Ladakh. Similarly, apart from building new helipads and upgrading air bases, the IAF is also going to soon start basing its Sukhoi-30 MKI fighters in larger numbers in the eastern theatre for the first time.

Shiv ji: My part done. Signing off now.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2016 07:30

May I point out Shaurya, that every one of the references you posted, while relevant on their own are general references to infrastructure.

The news report we are discussing is not general infrastructure in Aru P but a specific road from Dirang to Vijoynagar
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/ar ... China.html

A 1,500km proposed highway along the China border in Arunachal Pradesh has hit a roadblock, with the Army raising fears that its proximity to China could make it a liability in case of a confrontation.

This is what the supporters of the road are supposed to be saying

The road has also been planned considering the large-scale migration of people from border areas and the need to push them back by creating all basic amenities.

“They should be happy that the road is close to the border. It can be a boon for the troops for swift mobilisation,” said an official.

Pasang Dorjee, an MLA from Arunachal Pradesh, said the Army is creating hurdles for the road project that will affect development in the area.

“Instead of saying that the road should be closer to the border, like China did, the Army is saying it should not be along the border.”

While the lack of infrastructure and roads on the Indian side has been an old grievance for the locals, the situation across the border is completely different.

“Chinese forces have top-class roads till their border outposts. The villages and towns are well inhabited and have excellent infrastructure. If not match them, we need to at least achieve 10 per cent of what they have,” said a government official.

malushahi · Post by **malushahi** » 24 Jun 2016 07:44

hakimji, if the broken blue line on the map represents the said road, then it is patently wrong.

read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mago-Thin ... order_Road

correct alignment here: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20141016/nat7.jpg

uddu · Post by **uddu** » 24 Jun 2016 07:49

What the army may be saying is that if the Chinese start to use heavy artillery or rockets, the road cannot be defended during wartime. This is a legitimate concern. The more closer its to the border the more chances of it getting hit and destroyed. Alternative can be that let this road be build but with alternate link further down the line East Kameng to Desali and then link other parts to this road..

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2016 08:23

malushahi wrote:hakimji, if the broken blue line on the map represents the said road, then it is patently wrong.

read here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mago-Thin ... order_Road

correct alignment here: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20141016/nat7.jpg

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2014/20141016/nat7.jpg

Fair enough. It is still a specific road between two specific points that runs close and parallel to the border. An objection to this road (if it exists) would not constitute a general objection to the construction of all infrastructure in Arunachal Pradesh.

1. Has the army objected to this specific road?
2. If yes, why?

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 08:32

Shiv ji: But the article quoted also says the below, giving the impression of a general objection. This is what triggered my smell test in light of reams of information read earlier on the topic. If this is indeed about a dispute on some local adjustments to a proposed road, an entirely different matter.

The Army is sticking to the old tactic of not developing border areas to ensure minimal damage and to cut off easy access for the enemy in case of an infiltration.

shiv · Post by **shiv** » 24 Jun 2016 08:34

ShauryaT wrote:Shiv ji: But the article quoted also says the below, giving the impression of a general objection. This is what triggered my smell test in light of reams of information read earlier on the topic. If this is indeed about a dispute on some local adjustments to a proposed road, an entirely different matter.

The Army is sticking to the old tactic of not developing border areas to ensure minimal damage and to cut off easy access for the enemy in case of an infiltration.

Yeah - it has become a discussion of semantics.

For me, sitting in Bangalore, Kerala the whole of Aru P is "border areas'. But way up there border is border and away from border must be away from border

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 08:41

tsarkar wrote: It's like wearing rags because someone might rob your clothes. A better option is improving the ability to defend oneself. For example, raising more Arunachal Scouts Battalions to defend home & hearth.

There was a plan to do so. They did raise two battalions in Sikkim. Not sure of the status in AP, but this too shall be done.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 24 Jun 2016 10:53

A road running parallel to the border in AP should actually be a boon for the army. For a simple reason that it allows the much required lateral movement of troops and formations. Today, we've a situation where we have south-north communication lines which start from major center in Brahmaputra Valley or Assam foot-hills. Tejpur feeds Tawang/Western AP while Tinsukhia-Dibrugarh supports eastern AP.

However, there is no lateral communication between each of the adjoining sectors. A situation where you cannot move troops laterally makes you to overcompensate a sector with manpower and other stuff. And create fortified zones/sectors. Having infrastructure to move troops both in south-north and east-west/west-east direction will allow for optimal utilization of resources. And create required reserves which can be applied as per requirement.

And before we start bothering about what happens to roads after a war starts, lets thing of what tremendous benefit it will give us before the war starts.

When one talks of Chinese using roads on Indian side to 'drive' down to plains, we forget that there still exists the Himalayan ridge line which does not permit such north-south movement of vehicles or mechanized units. As it is, roads which take IA from Assam foot-hills to AP border already exist. If Chinese are actually going to drive down towards Assam plains, roads which can facilitate such a stuff already exist.

My guess-estimate is that IA might have raised objections on alignment in certain areas.

As for the infra on the Chinese side, partly because of favorable geography and partly because of laser like focus, they've created infra which allows them to vehicle large body of troops and equipment. This is especially true for eastern AP where alignment of Yarlung Zanpo runs pretty close to the border and Chinese have built a road along the alignment of the river. Chinese road-heads are within 20 km from the ridge-line across which McMahon line runs. And gives Chinese easier assess through the north-south valleys which connect the ridge-line/border with the river valley area.

As compared to above, look up Tuting on the map and its distance to the border towards north. And the geography in the area between the two.

nirav · Post by **nirav** » 24 Jun 2016 13:03

+1

If we were to give credence to that dailymail article then the figure of civilians coming in 50kms from the border is alarming.
It would be a huge chunk of land being given up for the lack of basic infra like roads.

ShauryaT · Post by **ShauryaT** » 24 Jun 2016 20:21

This issue seems localized at best.

The DGMO raised reservations about the alignment at certain parts of the highway, despite it being at reasonable distance from the International Border,” the source added.

Arunachal govt, Defence Ministry in tussle over infra projects

kmkraoind · Post by **kmkraoind** » 25 Jun 2016 16:50

Freedom fighter status likely for Netaji aide Colonel Nizamuddin - Indian Express

This is the biggest positive news of this year. I think Govt should go ahead and declare all INA fighters as soldiers of India and give their due credit. Actually INA issue is one reason I had no respect for Nehru and his dienasty.

After 1947, INA fighters got really a raw deal. They were left as orphans and in many cases persona non grata status in Indian republic (they were debarred to entry into Indian armed forces), did not get pension. Time has come at least to recognize their sacrifices and valor.

member_29271 · Post by **member_29271** » 26 Jun 2016 19:36

Empty promises...

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/indi ... 927196.cms

PratikDas · Post by **PratikDas** » 15 Aug 2016 10:50

Pathankot NSG martyr gets Shaurya Chakra on the eve of Independence Day

Lt Col Niranjan E K

NSG had said it lost the experienced and brilliant counter-IED officer to a deadly booby trap as the terrorists had used an " innovative technique" whose antidote was not included in the Standard Operating Procedure of the 'black cat' commandos force.

Niranjan's lungs got punctured due to the impact of the blast of a grenade that was kept in the pocket of a slain terrorist and the officer died before being taken to hospital.

NSG director-general R C Tayal had maintained that Niranjan, an experienced and highly trained Commanding Officer of the Bomb Disposal and Detection Unit, had followed all laid down SOPs while sanitising the bodies of the four terrorists, killed in the attack on IAF base on January 3.

rohitvats · Post by **rohitvats** » 16 Aug 2016 17:12

Discovery Channel running a series titled 'India's Paratroopers - Earning the Badge'.

They've four videos of the program and it is actually about the Para (SF) probation than the Paratroopers course in Agra.

Look pretty good and show what probation actually means - 'Brutal'. Jingoes have only discussed it basis second hand information.

The first episode was aired at 9pm on 15th August.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcoAQ5O ... 0xja-0A3z5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnJNuut ... 0xja-0A3z5
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijDgSux ... z5&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8L2I6u ... 0xja-0A3z5

Khalsa · Post by **Khalsa** » 17 Aug 2016 05:49

oh come on.... the publisher has not made this available in my country ...
why discrimination against pacific ocean

someone please tell me how to bypass this

SaiK · Post by **SaiK** » 18 Aug 2016 11:50

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 751641.cms

what the hell is going on?

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 18 Aug 2016 18:56

SaiK wrote:http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 751641.cms

what the hell is going on?

No need to vent our spleen and BP.
it is an old case regurgitated.
it occured during UPA regime.
read this

Mollick.R · Post by **Mollick.R** » 19 Aug 2016 22:47

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/new ... 762742.cms

The Indian Air Force has initiated its search for a new smart airfield protection system eight months after the Pathankot attack exposed several chinks in the perimeter security at a vital airbase, leading to the death of seven security personnel and a close call for fighters and helicopter gunships stationed there. To start with, the IAF will carry out a pilot project at one of its bases with state of the art systems that will include a smart fence, surveillance systems, thermal cameras, motion.

By air force estimates, it will need to spend over $1 billion on securing its most vital air bases

An air force official said that the cost could come out to be between " Rs 5,400 - 8,100 crore in the first phase".

This is happens when you are forced to fight a war inside your own territory instead of that of adversary's (that to when your hands are tied back.)

Some 4-6 piglets were trained by mulla fauz CommaGandus at a damm cheap price, you loose more than half a dozen men (including two Elites).
Now the incident is forcing you to divert Rs 5000- 8000 cr from your defence budget to buy cc cameras, thermal sensors (i.e non lethal stuffs). Means somewhere Rs 5000- 8000 cr is ripped off from your capital expenditure.

ranjan.rao · Post by **ranjan.rao** » 20 Aug 2016 02:32

^^^completely agree with you, but the positive side of it is that these piglets would not be able to create the nuisance in actual war using these tactics anymore....in next war with napakistan IA will be engaged by both uniformed jihadis and ununiformed jihadis..and during war time my guess is these jihadis will be sneaking in more easily as army and CRPF will be busy on other fronts..imagine if they held 3/4 major airbases or army bases hostage like this during wartime ..or worse they ambush our attacking columns ..more than nukes this is their most effective way of reducing the conventional superiority over us..
Not sure if IA has properly gamed it...mods like rohitvats would have much better idea of this..

g.sarkar · Post by **g.sarkar** » 20 Aug 2016 05:47

http://www.sify.com/news/pasighat-advan ... ggdgc.html
Pasighat advanced landing ground in Arunachal becomes operational
Union Minister of State for Home Kiren Rijiju on Friday inaugurated an Advanced Landing Ground (ALG) at Pasighat in Arunachal Pradesh in presence of Air Marshal C. Hari Kumar, Air Officer Commanding-in-chief (AOC-in-C), Eastern Air Command. Widening its communication, now Pasighat in East Siang District is connected by air with rest part of the world. Spectacular landing of Sukhoi SU-30 fighter jet has proven the strength of IAF. The event was attended by a large number of civil and military dignitaries, including the Chief Secretary and Secretary Civil Aviation Arunachal Pradesh and Air Vice Marshal Manavendra Singh, Senior Officer-in-Charge Administration, Eastern Air Command Shillong, said a Ministry of Home Affairs statement. A flypast by a formation of three Sukhoi-30 MKI Air Dominance Fighter aircraft, which took off from one of the forward EAC airbases was a highlight of the event, followed by a Su-30MKI also landing at the ALG. The touchdown by a frontline fighter jet of the IAF at the ALG is a 'historic first' in the predominantly hilly state of Arunachal Pradesh, which has several ALGs at varying altitudes. The new runway surface and other infrastructure built are similar to the other upgraded ALGs that have been inaugurated in the recent months. Replete with facilities such as aprons for ground manoeuvring, Air Traffic Control Tower, perimeter road and a security wall, the ALG will facilitate operations of fixed wing aircraft as well as helicopters of both civil and military operators. The Pasighat ALG will facilitate air connectivity with rest of the country and give a huge fillip to tourism in the state of Arunachal Pradesh. The pristine and picturesque landscape of Pasighat, on the banks of river Siang, will become accessible to rest of the world......
Gautam

krisna · Post by **krisna** » 20 Aug 2016 10:03

^^^^
Less than 100 kms to Chinese border.few minutes by sukhoi into Chinese territory.pretty bold move.
? Defensive offensive posture.

nandakumar · Post by **nandakumar** » 20 Aug 2016 13:13

Regarding army chief versus Gen VK Singh, the issue to my understanding is like this. Two Lt Generals are selected to the post of army commanders which is the first step towards elevation to the rank of Vice Chief of Army Staff and eventually as Army Chief. Dalbir Singh Suhag had made it to the army commander's post directly by the Appointments Committee of the Cabinet even though the then army chief Gen VK Singh had put him in waiting list pending a disciplinary enquiry during his stint with Rashtriya Rifles in Manipur. Lt Gen Ravi Dastane appealed to the Armed Forces Tribunal arguing that the appointing authority can not appoint someone whose name has not been put up by the Selection Committee. If Dalbir Singh was not eligible to be appointed Ravi Dastane as the senior most would have made it to the selection list. The Tribunal gave a ruling that the Appointments Committee of the Cabinet has overriding powers. In any case the infirmity in Dalbir Singh's selection has been rendered ineffective by the successor Army Chief Gen Bikram Singh quashing the disciplinary enquiry initiated by Gen VK Singh. It is against this ruling that Dastane went in appeal before the Supreme Court. It was in the course of hearing the appeal that SC issued notice to Dalbir Singh. It is however unclear how Dalbir Singh was made a respondent. Though technically the army headquarters constitues the Selection Committee and hence is a party to the dispute raised by Dastane, the army chief should have recused himself citing conflict of interest! After all it is his empanelment that is at the heart of the dispute. He should have left it to the Union Government to argue the legal merits of the case.

Paul · Post by **Paul** » 20 Aug 2016 18:20

Airfields like Pasighat will be prime target for PLA special forces on Day before war breaks out.

Army needs to make sure there are enough boots on the ground for thorough combing ops like was done in 1965 when SSG was airdropped near Pathankot Adampur airfields and were weeded out with local support.

Rahul M · Post by **Rahul M** » 20 Aug 2016 20:41

fear not, the local tribes all carry rifles and/or daos, sometimes both.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 21 Aug 2016 01:12

Found this on Facebook:

How many Indian soldiers and civilians have been killed by terrorists and Pakistan since Modi became prime minister?

Today I want to share a real story of Change In Indian Army since Modi has become PM.

I was on J&K visit last month, while returning back to Delhi I met this guy in Jammu Station.
He sat beside me, We both were waiting for our train. He started doing something in his mobile phone. When I notice him, he was watching video of terrorist encounter. I realized that he was a soldier.

I started a conversation by asking him, “Are you in Indian Army?”

He said “Yes”

He also asked me about me & our conversation started. He told me that he joined the Army when he was 19 years old & from last 1 year he hadn't visited his home. The happiness of returning back to Delhi after a year was reflected on his face.

He told me that he has a 2 years old son & He was very happy as he was going to see him after a year.

As we say,

“A Person Who Face The Situation Can Explain It Better”

So after a brief introduction I asked him about that video.

So the soldier started sharing his experience with me . By God's grace our train was delayed by 2 hours.

He told me that his posting is at Kanoli Chowki, which is hardly at 2KM distance from LOC.

As I was on vacation I told him about my experience in Kashmir. I shared my experience in Sonmarg & Pehalgam with him.
I told him that “Yes, it Is True, that Kashmir Is heaven On Earth”
He Smiled with surprise.

He explained me the situation.

He told me that it is good to be a Tourist in Kashmir but it is worst to be a Soldier. He told me that Kashmir is Heaven for our Pseudo Journalist but Hell for Amarnath Yatris. He explained the Kashmiriyat of Kashmiris in true manner.

He played that Encounter video again & started briefing about that.

He told me their team was on regular patrolling & then they got input that there were two militants present in one of the houses which were under their monitoring zone. When they started the search operation in that area & entered in that particular house the heavy artillery fire started. Before Army got ready to retaliate one soldier was martyred. It took them 7 hours to complete that operation. After the successful encounter, the news spread in that area like a fire & the mob of around 3000 people came there & started protesting against Indian Army. They started stone pelting & the movement of injured soldiers to hospital was getting difficult.

He told me that out of 4 terrorist one was most wanted & Army was searching him from last 4 year. Around 10000 Kashmiris participated in his funeral process.
10000 for a terrorist funeral?

He was getting emotional about the death of his team mate during that encounter by saying,

“Don’t know which bullet is made for him, too”

I told him that India stand with Indian Army. Because of people like him & those martyred soldiers India is safe today.

He started explaining about situation in Kashmir. He told me that Indian Government is doing so much thing for Kashmiri so they can come to right track. From education to branded clothes government is supplying them every basic thing but in return they allow terrorist to stay in their houses & delivering more water to the roots of terrorism.

From our discussion on Kashmir we started talking about Narendra Modi & from this you can understand the present situation in Kashmir & How government is taking care of our soldiers,

He told me that when Salman Khan came in Kashmir for shooting of Bajrangi Bhaijan Indian Army provided him an additional security, even while shooting when he got injured it was Indian Army who offered him a treatment but Salman didn't even talk with soldiers. Not even allowed any soldier for photograph with him.

On the other side he told me that when Narendra Modi came to kashmir during Diwali, he stayed with soldiers in their camp. During night when his security personnel asked him to come out of the camp due to security reason, He told them that He was more safe with Indian Army & spent his whole night with soldiers .
Modi asked every soldier about their problems & said them that,

“If they think that what they are doing is Right, Then don’t wait for anyone’s permission”

While talking about Narendra Modi’s government defense policy, he told me that
In 2014, 1200 soldiers were martyred during terrorist encounter but in 2015 that count was just 140–150.

Today Army don’t think twice because they know that Government is with them.

He told me that, From good weapons to bullet proof jackets Modi is doing every possible things for Indian Army.

He told me that,
Indians always look for big things, but nobody thinks about Soldier. Modi is not a magician, we need to give him a time. What He is doing for us(Indian Army) is extraordinary, before him no one had taken a care of Indian Army in this way.

That 2 hr talk with our country’s real hero urged me to think about their sacrifices & devotion towards nation
This is the ground reality & a true story.

After the break of 1 month, today may be He is battling against another terrorist.
May god protect our brave soldiers.

-A Proud Indian

Answer Based On Personal Talk With Indian Army Soldier.
Place: Jammu Railway Station
By AKSHAY CHIKHALE,, Source: Quora

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 21 Aug 2016 02:39

^^ Fictional account

He started doing something in his mobile phone. When I notice him, he was watching video of terrorist encounter. I realized that he was a soldier.

No one going on leave after a long time watches things about work. As an example, software engineers after a long onsite stint enroute home do not think about fixing bugs or release management at the airport lounge.

It's basic human psyche. How many among us get emotional about work while on leave?

So after a brief introduction I asked him about that video. So the soldier started sharing his experience with me

Secondly, soldiers don't talk about operations to strangers at Railway Station, no matter how enthusiastic the stranger might be. Soldiers are cognizant of other strangers all around in a public place. It endangers you & your buddies in the short term and may lead to a court martial in the long term. Troops know from experience how militants use villagers/civilian camp followers as scouts. Specifically in the Kashmir context, information security is ingrained into men and zealously enforced by officers.

Modi in Kashmir camp in Diwali is another glaring inconsistency. Modi visited Siachen in 2014 Diwali and Amritsar in 2015 Diwali.

On the other side he told me that when Narendra Modi came to kashmir during Diwali, he stayed with soldiers in their camp. During night when his security personnel asked him to come out of the camp due to security reason, He told them that He was more safe with Indian Army & spent his whole night with soldiers .

Here is Modi's trip report

http://www.ndtv.com/jammu-news/pm-naren ... ?site=full

http://www.ndtv.com/cheat-sheet/after-d ... nts-683357

SRINAGAR: After spending time with soldiers at Siachen, the world's highest battlefield, Prime Minister Narendra Modi arrived in Srinagar on Thursday afternoon. The PM will spend most of Diwali day at Jammu and Kashmir's capital city, which was hit by floods last month...The Prime Minister is also expected to announce a central package for flood victims before flying back to Delhi in the evening.

Modi went Thursday 23rd October 2014 morning to Siachen, afternoon in Srinagar and flew to Delhi the same evening. He never stayed for the night.

Modi asked every soldier about their problems & said them that, “If they think that what they are doing is Right, Then don’t wait for anyone’s permission”

Wow! The military is based on Chain of Command. As per the poster, the Prime Minister is himself breaking his Chain of Command.

He started explaining about situation in Kashmir. He told me that Indian Government is doing so much thing for Kashmiri so they can come to right track. From education to branded clothes government is supplying them every basic thing but in return they allow terrorist to stay in their houses & delivering more water to the roots of terrorism.

A glaringly fake datapoint about branded clothes

Today I want to share a real story of Change In Indian Army since Modi has become PM.

The post is a hotchpotch mix of encounter + winning hearts & minds campaign + Salman + Modi that is way too much crammed analysis uncharacteristic a 19 year old soldier.

It's more common from an Internet jingo who wishes to pour his heart out writing on themes he's passionate about.

The original Facebook Poster made this all up.

This sort of nonsense post does not help the cause.

Vivek K · Post by **Vivek K** » 21 Aug 2016 03:21

Strange reaction!! I would call yours a nonsense post sarkar ji.

Typical self goal the world has come to expect from us.

tsarkar · Post by **tsarkar** » 21 Aug 2016 03:33

Really Vivek?

Modi never spent the night of 23rd October 2014 in Kashmir. And his other Diwali was at Amritsar.

I referred to the original poster's inconsistencies, but if you let your passion overcome reason & facts, you're only making a fool of yourself in a public forum.

This sort of internet jingoism falsehoods discredits the genuine efforts of those on the field and hurts the cause more. Hope you understand this.